Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #193
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Date:     Sat, 9 Oct 93 23:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #193, Volume #1                 Sat, 9 Oct 93 23:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) (Matt McLeod)
  Re: SCSI Adapter Cards (Roger C. Pao)
  Re: SCSI adapter for linux? (al-b@minster.york.ac.uk)
  Re: Linux magazine now accepting articles... (Michael Vore)
  keep linux mag on paper... (trwills@indyvax.iupui.edu)
  Veteran Linux user's praise..... (trwills@indyvax.iupui.edu)
  Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries (Mark A. Davis)
  Washington DC Linux User Group (Patrick Kane)
  Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? (The Fool)
  PING source for linux (Brad Cain)
  Re: Wanted: C-Cross-Referencer / Browser (Kees Metzger)
  Xrolo source anyone? (Mark Juric [MSAI])
  Re: Xrolo source anyone? (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
  Re: BASH bug report (Kevin Brown)
  FD 1680: result?? (Chan Lap Wah Samson)

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From: matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod)
Subject: Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 00:12:30 GMT

Ian Jackson (iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <280vc7$sgm@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
: Robert R. Novitskey <rrn@po.CWRU.Edu> wrote:
: >[...]
: >   Should I use Slackware or SLS to best suit my needs?

: Definitely not SLS.

: I would recommend not using Slackware either, as it is SLS-derived,
: though I hear that it has had quite a few of the nasty bugs fixed.

: Use either MCC or TAMU.  Both have had good reports; I've tried MCC
: and is is very good, though you have to download X separately (easy
: enough, especially compared to wrestling with bug after bug).

I'm afraid I've yet to see any serious problem with SLS.  After installing
SLS 1.03 I found that yes, some permissions weren't set quite right, but
after a little fiddling the whole thing works wonderfully. 

I really just can't understand all this stuff about "don't use SLS" that I
keep hearing...

Matt
-- 
                Matt McLeod     (matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au)
    Sysop, Krikkit One Public Access Unix, +61 49 423565 (11pm-7am AEST)
             "Hey Rocky!  Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!"

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From: rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao)
Subject: Re: SCSI Adapter Cards
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 11:54:12 GMT

danubius@halcyon.com (Joseph R. Pannon) writes:

>I'm not sure if this is the right forum for my question, so don't jump
>on me if it isn't.

>All I want to find out if anybody here has any experience with the
>Acculogic ISApport SCSI-2 adapter card.  I am considering buying it, but
>I don't see it listed in the hardware guide. On its box it says: "Corell
>approved" -- whatever that means.

Corel approved means the adapter/port has ASPI support for DOS.  Linux,
I'm sure, will not support it unless you write a driver for it.

rp93
-- 
Roger C. Pao  {gordius,bagdad}!mts!rpao, rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us

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From: al-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Subject: Re: SCSI adapter for linux?
Date:  8 Oct 1993 17:33:16 GMT

In article <13970@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> jjctc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (James C. Tsiao) writes:
>In article <1993Oct3.232427.28882@mdd.comm.mot.com> mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) writes:
>>in comp.os.linux.misc, eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) said:
>>
>>>In article <1993Oct3.163648.17763@mdd.comm.mot.com> mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) writes:
>>>> ...
>>>>BTW, I'm using a 0.99pl13 kernel, but I've been seeing these timeout
>>>>errors since I added my SCSI tape at pl12, and have been seeing the
>>>>1542C lockups since I began seeing the timeout messages.
>
>I've used the 1542C with a Wangtek 5525ES internal tape drive in various
>configurations without experiencing any SCSI timeouts.  Here are some of
>
>I'm still using 0.99pl11, though.

My setup is even older, I haven't had any problems either.

1542C (pre-Easter) with internal Wangtek 5150ES, Maxtor LXT213SY, Seagate
ST-3283N and Sony CDU-561 (both SCSI-II). Linux kernel is 0.99.9 (SLS 1.02,
a few patches here and there, but nothing to do with SCSI)

I suppose the SCSI code has changed a bit since 0.99.9 (..?)
Could this be the cause of the problems? Anyone out there with old/new kernels
who could compare them?

I will be upgrading soon (to 0.99.13, unless 0.99.14 is out by then :-)
If there's any problems with my setup and the new kernel you'll be hearing
from me!

Andrew.


>James.
>-- 
>jjctc@chevron.com                    |   "1.0?!  1.0?!  We don't need
>jtsiao@netcom.com                    |    no Version 1.0!"
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Try Linux, the freely distributable Unix clone for the 386/486.



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From: mvore@access.digex.net (Michael Vore)
Subject: Re: Linux magazine now accepting articles...
Date: 9 Oct 1993 13:54:54 -0400

derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones) writes:



>OK folks, I'm biting, - there seems to be enough interest! I am intending to
>distribute via email and will provide one of the following formats:

>Postscript:       (If you've got Linux, you've got gs and ghostview, I've
>                  tried this from copy of a previous mag I did under messydos 
>                  and windoze and it works just fine!)

What about us who don't have postscript printers. I have suffered thru gs 
under Linux and MsDos only to find that it doesn't work!!  No I havn't 
tried to hack it into submission.

>LaserJet Ready:   (Just in case you haven't found gs...)

What about us who haven't spent our hard earned money for a LJ?  That's 
why we use Linux.  If I had that kind of backing I'd get a Sun!

> AmiPro source:    (or possibly RTF). (No, I'm not a TeX hacker (yet, and I've
>                  been in this game for more years than some), - life is too
>                  short to learn everything out there, I have a day job and a
>                  consultancy job teaching and editing, a wife and daughter 
>                  and a stack of unread books and journals already.... 8-)

But I don't use Hi-Priced DO$ software!

How about some good old plain - useful, compitable ASCII??  You probably 
start from real, printable, readable, usable text - distribute that too!
-- 
/*---------------------------------------+------------------------------*/
 Mike Vore  W3CCV                        | DC - Food-SIG, Ka-8 (MU)@W73 
  mvore@digex.com || mvore@fedix.fie.com | Mid-Atlantic Soaring Assn.
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 Mike Vore  W3CCV                        | DC - Food-SIG, Ka-8 (MU)@W73 
  mvore@digex.com || mvore@fedix.fie.com | Mid-Atlantic Soaring Assn.
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From: trwills@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: keep linux mag on paper...
Date: 9 Oct 93 13:14:57 -0500

While the idea of using a floppy for distribution sounds neat,
it would be nice to keep it in paper form to allow non Linux users
to get at the data, and hopfully convert over to the "the promised
land" with the rest of us......


Just my thoughts.......

                                Ziggy.


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From: trwills@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Veteran Linux user's praise.....
Date: 9 Oct 93 13:17:55 -0500

Just wanted to give my late coming praise to linus and the 
crew, from a linux user from .12. You all keep up the good work,
"we have come a LONG way baby"!



                                        Ziggy.


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From: mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1993 18:52:39 GMT

harris@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris) writes:

>>>>------> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility,  ELF/Unixware compatibility,
>>>>        MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities.
>>>>
>>>>I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial
>>>>Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink,
>>>>Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
>>

>Interesting.  Actually, I'm not so clueful, I've never heard of COFF.

COFF is the binary compatibility [intel] for SCO-Unix, ISC-Unix, and other V.3.2
based Unixes.  It has, possibly, the largest base of commerical software
available in this format (especially business applications).  ELF is used
in V.4.X [intel] Unixes.  Most V.4.X Unixes [intel] also support most of
COFF.

>Am I wrong in guessing that getting Unix-Native compatability
>(or just ability) is a much more robust solution than DOS &
>Windows emulators?

Yes.  Unix software is what makes Unix powerful.  MS-"DOS" and MS-"Windows"
software greatly opens up countless applications, but those applications are
inherently not as powerful.  For example:  a Unix version of WordPerfect
will support X-Windows, ASCII terminals, multiuser applications, many devices,
many spooling systems, has system administration tools, knows about file
permissions, etc, etc, etc.   The MS-"DOS" version of WordPerfect, even running
under Unix, will be very much a resource hog, not multiuser knowledgable,
and run into countless other problems making it all but useless except in a
single-user, console only environment.

> I mean, I'm not trying to attack these projects,
>they're key, for sure.  But on the other hand, it seems to me
>that emulators (or pseudo-emulators for DOSEMU) are *always* 
>*always* gonna break more than normal, well-written apps.

This is quite true.  *ALL* means of gaining access to applications are 
important for Linux.  Applications are what give life to an OS, especially
in non-hacking envionments.

>Which is all to say, I don't think we should put all our eggs in 
>WINE.  Even though I'm sure we're all eagerly expecting it.

Exactly.  Besides, it looks like WINE is a long way off now....

>> Well, he wanted to know about businesses, and business want and need 
>> commercial applications!

>For sure.  The lack of Linux apps certainly is the only thing
>prevent Linux installations from becoming stellar, thereby provoking
>a massive revolution, led by programmers and informations workers,
>where copywrites and intellectual ownership are sublated!!

With a stable version of Linux, coupled with excellent documentation, 
ELF/COFF compatibility, and MS-"DOS" emulation and WINE, Linux would be
quite unstoppable for a very large segment of computer use.
It could be THE platform of choice for running most any kind of Intel binary
software or Unix-source application.
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.wyvern.com   .uucp |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: modus@seas.gwu.edu (Patrick Kane)
Subject: Washington DC Linux User Group
Date: 9 Oct 1993 20:21:49 GMT

I am interested in forming a Washington DC (and surrondings) Linux User
Group.  This Group would meet monthly to discuss Linux-related Issues and
swap tips, etc.

If you are interested in being a part of the Group, contact me at:

modus@seas.gwu.edu

I would like to get a Meeting together before Christmas.

Patrick Kane
<modus@seas.gwu.edu>


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
From: ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool)
Subject: Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off?
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 21:02:52 GMT

In article <28q60cINN77h@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray) writes:
>In article <CE97LL.4zL@spudge.lonestar.org>, johnm@spudge.lonestar.org (John Munsch) writes:
>|> [ In the interests of bandwidth, I summerize JohnMunsch article as saying:]
>|> [Lots of good, well written prose about how Linux is another Unix, and needs major
>|> [improvements to become useful to end-users.]
>|> [And the expected reaction to this criticism:]
>|>
>|> Anyone reading the above may well say, "Geez, that's not Unix.  If you don't
>|> like the way Linux is today then go run Windows 3.1 or wait for Windows 4.0
>|> if you have to have multitasking and 32 in a reasonable memory area."
>|> 
>|> "Unix is about choice and if you want a choice of 13 different window managers
>|> for your GUI then you aren't going to get that from "any color so long as it's
>|> black" Windows.  If you want to be totally restricted in the way that
>|> everything works, looks, etc. go pick a commercial operating system."
>|> 
>|> I think that would miss the point terribly.  Unix is powerful and neat.
>|> Unfortunately very few will ever get to use this neat FREE system outside of
>|> the few who are up to setting up and administrating a current Unix system.  A
>|> number that pales when compared to the 25 million Windows licenses that will
>|> soon be out there.
>|> 
>
>I agree with you 100% on your observations and comments.
>I would also add that Linux folks will say you are free to build your
>own Linux package that is a system like you want.  Why hasn't someone done it?
>It has no benefit for the people who would develop it. 
>It would only benefit naive end-users, who are seen by many Linux people as 
>a lower form of life.  Such end-user software is developing by paid programmers
>who would rather spend their time doing something else.
>
>Linux was developed by hackers for use by hackers. 
>If others find it useful, then they are lucky. 
>
I don't agree. Linux is useful to anyone who want's it's power and is willing
to take the time to learn. I'm hardly a Unix guru, but I find Linux vastly
superior to any other option I've yet seen.
There are plenty of people on the net who are willing to give their time and
effort to help people figure out their problems.
In fact, Matt's Linux Installation Guide would be enough for most people. I
found it very complete, and suspect it would be enough to get most end user's
up and running.

                                The Fool
                                    ;-)

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From: brad@bach.udel.edu (Brad Cain)
Subject: PING source for linux
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 22:02:07 GMT

Can anybody point me to an FTP site where I could find the
source for ping and other network related utilities such
as traceroute, etc.

thanks
brad


-- 
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brad@ravel.udel.edu            Brad Cain                               N3NAF
cain@snow-white.ee.udel.edu    University of Delaware Electrical Engineering
cain@freezer.cns.udel.edu      "Blah, blah, blah"                   alt.blah 

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From: metzger@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Kees Metzger)
Subject: Re: Wanted: C-Cross-Referencer / Browser
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 21:59:24 GMT

danny@dragon.stgt.sub.org (Daniel T. Schwager) writes:

>Eckehard Stolz (stolz@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE) wrote:

>: Hi !

>: I'm looking for a Cross-Referencing-tool for C-Source-Code. I would like
>: something, that tells me where a special function is defined, in which files it

>Try x-coral-1.7x (tsx or sun) 

>Danny
>-- 

It is not half as nice, I agree, but a quick solution is:

- run 'nm' on all your object files like:

     nm -o *.o > program.xref

- use 'grep' to find your subroutine:

     grep <text> program.xref

The advantage is that <text> can be just a substring of what you are
looking for and you can find any entry in the symbol table (not just
functions). If you understand the output of 'nm' this can be a
simple way to find what you are looking for.

Kees Metzger
Corporate Automation
Philips International


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From: mjuric@aisun4.ai.uga.edu (Mark Juric [MSAI])
Subject: Xrolo source anyone?
Date: 9 Oct 1993 23:56:59 GMT

Hi all,
  Anyone know where the source for xrolo is?  I've tried contacting both of the
people in the README's and my mail gets bounced everytime.  Archie just turns
up a bunch of binaries.  Thanks for the help!

@===@                                                                     @===@
 ###  Mark Juric                               A.I. Programs               ###
 ###  mjuric@ai.uga.edu                    University of Georgia           ###
 ###                                       Athens, Georgia 30602           ###
@===@                                                                     @===@


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From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
Subject: Re: Xrolo source anyone?
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 00:38:10 GMT

In article <297j4b$q8u@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> mjuric@aisun4.ai.uga.edu (Mark Juric [MSAI]) writes:
>Hi all,
>  Anyone know where the source for xrolo is?  I've tried contacting both of the
>people in the README's and my mail gets bounced everytime.  Archie just turns
>up a bunch of binaries.  Thanks for the help!

xrolo 2.6 is available from ftp.x.org:/contrib
The Linux binaries from sunsite.unc.edu:pub/Linux/X11/xutils

>@===@                                                                     @===@
> ###  Mark Juric                               A.I. Programs               ###
> ###  mjuric@ai.uga.edu                    University of Georgia           ###
> ###                                       Athens, Georgia 30602           ###
>@===@                                                                     @===@
>


-- 
Zeyd M. Ben-Halim       zmbenhal@netcom.com
10479 1/4 Santa Monica Blvd, LA, CA, 90025 (310) 470-0281

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Crossposted-To: gnu.bash.bug
From: kevin@frobozz.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 07:17:21 GMT
Subject: Re: BASH bug report

In article <28ihst$rb1@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes:
>    A number of people reported memory leaks with bash.
>
>    Well, it happens to me too!
>
>    Every time bash executes an external command (i.e. one it has
>    to fork/exec on), it looses memory.
>
>    Worse, bash traverses the lost memory, so if you build up a couple
>    of megabyte, you start to thrash horribbly.
>
>    This occured to me with a bash script that was permanently monitoring
>    some slip lines.  The bash process kept getting larger and larger
>    and kept trying to access ALL of that data.  Fortunately I had a 
>    data set limit of 16MB in my resources!
>
>                                       -Matt

I've verified that this is true of bash compiled on a Sun Sparcstation 2
as well, so this is probably *not* a bug in the libraries (I compiled bash
on the Sun using their cc and their libraries).

If you put a tight loop in a subshell, e.g.

    (while true ; do
        /bin/ls >/dev/null
    done) &

and monitor the bash process with ps -l, you will see its size continuously
increase.  Not good.


-- 
Kevin Brown                                     kevin@frobozz.sccsi.com
This is your .signature virus: < begin 644 .signature (9V]T8VAA(0K0z end >
            This is your .signature virus on drugs: <>
                        Any questions?


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From: h9090166@hkuxb.hku.hk (Chan Lap Wah Samson)
Subject: FD 1680: result??
Reply-To: hell@hkuxb.hku.hk
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 23:45:59 GMT

Hi

Some time ago, some people said they have difficulty in getting
their FD 1680 to be recognised, though said to be compatible
according to Hardware Compatibility Report. What's the result then?
I'm figuring out whether to buy a 1542c or a 1680...

Thanks.

Sams


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