Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #195
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Date:     Mon, 11 Oct 93 07:26:47 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #195, Volume #1                Mon, 11 Oct 93 07:26:47 EDT

Contents:
  Mississippi State (David Simmons)
  Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) (Cesar A Barria)
  Linux counter passes 2000 entries (Joe Klemmer)
  Re: SCSI adapter for linux? (David E Nichols)
  SLS _1.02_ where are you? (David Shy)
  Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) (Tony Travis)
  Linux: 386/486 Unix Clone on diskette, < $40 (linux@ditdah.Morse.Net)
  emacs 19 DOC file? (mantel@adcalc.fnal.gov)
  Re: PPP for Linux? Well... almost as good (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: Linux magazine now accepting articles... (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: Linux Magazine... (Linux Journal)
  Re: emacs 19 DOC file? (Mark Kassab)
  Re: Linux Magazine
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) (Ian Jackson)

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From: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu (David Simmons)
Subject: Mississippi State
Date: 10 Oct 1993 21:44:59 GMT
Reply-To: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu

How many people use Linux in the Mississippi State University area?
Is there any existing Linux user's group, or if not, any interest in
one?

David Simmons


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From: r_daneel@iastate.edu (Cesar A Barria)
Subject: Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 21:44:04 GMT

Could someone post a list of these supposedly nasty bugs on SLS distribution. I've installed linux from SLS and I've been running it on my machine for about a week and a half with no problems whatsoever. Maybe I haven't used any of the buggy parts yet, but it would be helpful if instead of posting:
  'Stay away from SLS' 'Use Slackware or dont't use Slackware'
You should post a list of bugs so that we know what to look for...


r_daneel


(Send flames to /dev/null)

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From: Joe.Klemmer@f370.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Klemmer)
Subject: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 15:42:22 -0500

Gautam H. Thaker wrote in a message to All:

   >PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
   >1300  62% at home
   > 505  24% at home and at work
   > 156   7% at work
   >  68   3% somewhere
   >  35   1% not used
   >

GHT> I for one and somewhat disappointed that the count is still
GHT> so low. I  had heard estimates that there are about 250,000
GHT> users of Linux!!

GHT> I recently talked to a vendor about porting some of their
GHT> product of Linux. To my surprise they mentioned running into
GHT> some
GHT> organizations that were mostly converting over to Linux!

One reason for this is that, at this point, at least 1/3rd if not half the Linux
users are not connected to the Net in any way.  They are getting all the Linux
related info from the BBS community.  If you figure that maybe 1/4th of the
people who really use Linux responded to the CFC (Call For Count? <g>) that
would put the total around 8,000 at least.

Later,
Joe


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From: davidn@cs.tamu.edu (David E Nichols)
Subject: Re: SCSI adapter for linux?
Date: 10 Oct 1993 23:55:13 GMT

In article <CEo8u4.1vE@frobozz.sccsi.com>,
Kevin Brown <kevin@frobozz.sccsi.com> wrote:
>In article <9BWHB83@oytix.north.de> mike@oytix.north.de (Mike Fleischer) writes:
>Interesting.  I'm seeing this kind of thing as well, with 0.99.10, Bustek
>542B, Maxtor XT-4380 (I think), a couple of Seagate ST-2xx drives, and a
>Fujitsu M2511 magneto-optical drive.  I didn't see this at all until I
>added the Fujitsu.
>
>The problem happens even when I'm not accessing the Fujitsu.  It happened,
>for instance, when I was recompiling the kernel.
>
>Basically, the system will hang, with the computer's hard-disk light on
>solid (which indicates to me that the SCSI bus is hung).  I'm using SCSI
>only, so there's no other controller which affects this light.

I am having the exact same problem here- I added a Fujitsu M2511A
128Meg MO drive to my Ultrastor 14f+Texel 3024 (v.1.10) combination,
and all of the sudden I am having tons of SCSI problems with Linux.  I
was using the Fujitsu MO drive to boot Linux, but if I access the
drive at all, after a while when I access it again I will get a kernel
panic (in swapper task: not syncing) and the systems halts.  

If I only use the CDROM drive everything's cool.  It might be informative
for me to add that I have no problems in DOS or OS/2 2.1, but under 
Windows NT I occasionally get a popup window titled "SCSI" that says
"SCSI_DEVICE_STATUS_ERROR" and has an ok button- this pops up every
once in a while during heavy MO disk usage but doesn't seem to affect
anything-- I get no crashes and have never had any consistency problems
under NT with the MO drive.  There are messages in one of the NT logs
about this but I can't get to them right now (running OS/2 2.1).

By the way I have applied the latest ultrastor patch to 0.99-13, and it
made things worse- before (with plain pl13) if I booted off my IDE drive
the SCSI bus would just lock up after a while after a certain amount of
access to the MO drive, and the ide drive would still sync, but now when
I get to that lockup stage I get a kernel panic.

Anyway I'm sure there is some non-standard crap going on with the 
MO drive-- it even is reported as ANSI revision 00 on bootup.

By the way here is the rest of my system configuration in case it helps:
486-50, 16Megs ram, ultrastor 15c IDE controller with 2 megs,
ultrastor 14f SCSI controller, 1 545Meg IDE Maxtor drive, 1 200 Meg
IDE Seagate drive, Texel 3024 with ver 1.10 firmware, Fujitsu M2511A
MO drive, and all scsi devices are internal.

David Nichols
davidn@cs.tamu.edu
-- 
============================================================
David E. Nichols        Center for Advanced Moose Technology
davidn@cs.tamu.edu                Director - Antler Division
Texas A&M University                  "A moose is not a toy"

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From: shyguy@soda.berkeley.edu (David Shy)
Subject: SLS _1.02_ where are you?
Date: 11 Oct 1993 00:02:24 GMT

does anyone know if sls 1.02 is still archived somewhere?
thanks in advance.

-david shy
 shyguy@soda.berkeley.edu

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From: ajt@doc.ic.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Subject: Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?)
Date: 11 Oct 1993 00:23:34 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk

Matt McLeod (matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au) wrote:
: [...]
: I'm afraid I've yet to see any serious problem with SLS.  After installing
: SLS 1.03 I found that yes, some permissions weren't set quite right, but
: after a little fiddling the whole thing works wonderfully. 

: I really just can't understand all this stuff about "don't use SLS" that I
: keep hearing...

I agree with you, Matt.

I'm using SLS 1.03 and I think it is very good.  The installation was 
painless, X works and I've just connected an Archive Viper SCSI tape on
an Adaptec 1542c host adapter that works fine with SLS.

The only real problem I had was setting the ownership correctly for the
uucp setuid programs which were incorrect after the SLS installation.

        Tony.
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Rowett Research Institute,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
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From: linux@ditdah.Morse.Net
Subject: Linux: 386/486 Unix Clone on diskette, < $40
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 02:25:43 GMT

               Low-Cost SLS Version of Linux on Diskette

Linux is a freely redistributable version of the Unix(tm) Operating System
which runs on 80386 and 80486 PC Compatible machines. This software is
a full version of Unix which contains all the standard utilities and more,
including:

        TCP/IP Networking
        C and C++ Compilers and other development tools
        Various Language Translators
        UUCP and Usenet Software
        Several popular editors including GNU Emacs.
        X Windows system.
        DOS Emulator


The version we distribute is SLS 1.03 which contains the Linux Kernel
version .99 patch level 12. Disk 'A1' is the bootable diskette which 
will bring up Linux and take you through the installation procedure.
A breakdown of the packages contained in this release is as follows:

        Base Release:  Disks A1-A4, B1-B7, C1-C3
        Source Code:   Disk S1
        Documentation: Disks D1-D2
        TeX formatter: Disks T1-T3
        X Windows:     Disks X1-X10



The full release (30 diskettes) is priced at:

        5 1/4" Diskettes: $30.00 + $3.00 Shipping (2nd Day USPS)
        3 1/2" Diskettes: $37.50 + $3.00 Shipping (2nd Day USPS)

Linux is currently available on many Internet sites including TSX-11.MIT.EDU
and others. We offer this as a service to those who don't have the time
or resources to download such a large distribution. This version can be
installed directly from diskette in about 30 minutes time.

Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, all of Linux is copylefted under
the GNU Public License (GPL). SLS extensions are copyrighted by Softlanding
Systems. You may not claim any part of Linux as your own. This assures 
that future users of Linux will be able to obtain it as freely as everyone
else has already.

Technical support for Linux is available through us with the purchase of
a service contract. Linux Support Service contracts are available in monthly,
quarterly, and yearly terms. Rates begin at $19.95/month, per machine, and
discounts are given for both quarterly and yearly subscribers. See our 
additional posting in this newsgroup or send email to lssinfo@Morse.Net.

Terms of payment are one of the following:

        American Express
        Personal Check 
        Bank money order
        COD cash or cashiers check (COD charge is an additional $4.50)

To place an order, call us on our 24 hour order line at (800) 706-4046.
COD orders can also be accepted via email. Send your name, address,
telephone number and disk size to: order@Morse.Net. You may also
place a mail order by sending a check or money order payable to:

        Morse Telecommunications
        24 Prospect Avenue
        East Rockaway, NY 11518

For order inquiries or other information, please call (516) 887-4046.

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From: mantel@adcalc.fnal.gov
Subject: emacs 19 DOC file?
Date: 10 Oct 93 21:58:05 -0600

Hello,
  I have recently obtained the emacs19.19 release and have installed
it on a 486 33Mhz 8meg machine with sls 1.03, kernel pl12 with xfree1.3.
Everything seems to work okay but I have come across something I do have
a question about.  I was looking through the distribution in the 
/usr/lib/emacs/19.19/etc directory and came across files DOC and DOC-19.19.1.
I went to look at these assuming they were Documentation files but was told by 
my more command that they were binary files.  So I tried to execute one and
it needed X. So I went into X windows using fvwm-97.  I then typed DOC
at the xterm prompt and opened what appeared to be a rather nice looking
, almost motif looking, editor window complete with menu bar that contained
standard editor menu items such as Edit, File, View, etc.  I tried to open a
C source file in another directory and it just opened another version of the
the DOC editor window.  So I closed out the new window and tried again and
got the same result. So I closed out the program and tried to start 
DOC-19.19.1 but it would not start.  I changed the file protection assuming
that was the problem but it still would not start. I then tried to start
DOC and that would not open either.  I have not been able start the DOC file
since that first time.  I have even reinstalled the files in the ../etc 
directory.
    My question is what are the DOC and DOC-19.19.1 files?  Is anyone else
currently using these files on a system with similar setup? And how can I get
DOC or DOC-19.19.1 to run again?

Thanks 
Jaime Mantel
mantel@adcalc.fnal.gov


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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: PPP for Linux? Well... almost as good
Date: 11 Oct 1993 02:59:50 GMT

Ce brave Michael O'Reilly ecrit:

> setup'. Write something that likes an 8bit clean line, and see how
> many people mail you complaining that it doesn't work.. :)

Hum... In other countries than USA, (France for example...), write some piece
of software which is NOT 8 bit clean, and see how many people tell you that
they can't use it :-)

A great thing in the Linux story, is that Linus was born in a country where
characters are not only A-z and keyboards not QWERTY... :-)

--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: Linux magazine now accepting articles...
Date: 11 Oct 93 03:14:51 GMT

In article <296brn$62b@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones) writes:
>OK folks, I'm biting, - there seems to be enough interest! I am intending to
>distribute via email and will provide one of the following formats:

>Postscript:       (If you've got Linux, you've got gs and ghostview, I've
>                  tried this from copy of a previous mag I did under messydos 
>                  and windoze and it works just fine!)

Bad idea, far to restrictive.  Take for-example the openwin docs.  On a 1152x910
screen they are barrely readable, and they won't print out readably at 300dpi.

>LaserJet Ready:   (Just in case you haven't found gs...)

How many people actually own a LaserJet?

>AmiPro source:    (or possibly RTF). (No, I'm not a TeX hacker (yet, and I've
>                  been in this game for more years than some), - life is too
>                  short to learn everything out there, I have a day job and a
>                  consultancy job teaching and editing, a wife and daughter 
>                  and a stack of unread books and journals already.... 8-)

I've never heard of AmiPro... What is it?

OK, of these 3 choises postscript sounds like it is useable for the largest 
audiance.  However, please keep in mind some people will want to print at
180dpi, and view with 640x480 mono resolution.

>1.) Please send copy in at least plain ASCII text form. Do not worry overmuch
>about formatting.

If the ultimate format will be postscript.  Why not use postscript style
figures?  You can always resize them with "xv", or manual editing.  If for
example I wanted to provide a sample clipping from the my screen, I can
easily grab it with xv, but converting it to xfig format would result in
a distorted picture at best.  (To bad you don't use LaTeX, including
and postscript is trivial...)

>Soooo, let me have some articles. 

OK, give us some ideas what type of articles you are looking for.

                                   Bill


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From: linux@fylz.com (Linux Journal)
Subject: Re: Linux Magazine...
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 03:31:17 GMT

Derek Jones (derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: Someone said:
: 
: |When there is a magazine for Linux that can help the people AND when there
: |is a almost complete Linux system that you may easily install and that you
: |may WORK WITH (easy word processing ... :) ), then there will be a much 
: |larger number of people who use Linux.
: 
: Heeeyyyy, I might bite here. Is anyone working on a magazine?

The answer is yes.  The name is Linux Journal.  We were moving along
quite well and then a set of fairly amazing disasters struck (including
the death of one of the people involved).  I send out a "it looks like
we won't make it" post and I received quite a bit of positive response.

I am currently negotiating with another person/company who will take
over the publishing end of it (layout, printing, distribution).  Things
are going pretty well and I think we may be back on track.

This is not to say that we have the articles, the advertisers, the
subscribers and all that but as soon as I feel confident that the
organization will function we will make an announcement.  If anyone
else is interested in being involved, please send me e-mail.

>> Phil Hughes
-- 
Linux Journal -- The magazine of, for and about the Linux Community
P.O. Box 85867, Seattle, WA 98145-1867 USA
E-mail: linux@fylz.com   Phone: +1 206 526 2919 FAX: +1 206 526 0803

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From: mark@macs.ee.mcgill.ca (Mark Kassab)
Subject: Re: emacs 19 DOC file?
Reply-To: mark@macs.ee.mcgill.ca
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 07:14:33 GMT


The DOC files store what you get when you invoke help in emacs.  For some
reason, at least 2 identical copies are kept.  As far as I have seen, the DOC
file can be deleted (you only seem to need DOC-version).

Mark

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From: zzassgl@gl.mcc.ac.uk ()
Subject: Re: Linux Magazine
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 08:39:34 GMT

Sreekar Shastry (sreekar@panix.com) wrote:
: >>>>> On Fri, 8 Oct 1993 11:12:55 GMT, zzassgl@gl.mcc.ac.uk () said:


: Geoff> I was going to suggest that the mag include a cover floppy disc with each
: Geoff> issue...but as the intended audience can almost certainly be expected to be
: Geoff> users of Linux perhaps the entire mag should be distributed on the floppy
: Geoff> and a nice VGA based reader program developed?
:            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

: It already exists, its called xdvi.   
: -- 

Doesn't xdvi require X windows?  Some people don't run X windows.


--
Geoff. Lane.                    zzassgl@gl.mcc.ac.uk or zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk
UTS Sys Admin,Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL, UK

It's the old,old story:
Droid meets Droid, Droid becomes Chameleon, Droid loses Chameleon, Chameleon
turns into Blob, Droid gets Blob back again, Blob meets Blob, Blob goes off
with Blob, and Droid loses Blob, Chameleon, and Droid.
How many times have we seen that story!

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 10:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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