Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #391
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Wed, 8 Dec 93 06:13:07 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #391, Volume #1                 Wed, 8 Dec 93 06:13:07 EST

Contents:
  Connection over packet TCP/IP network (null pointer@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (jaughey))
  Where can I get vt100/vt220/vt320/ANSI specs? (Frank Lofaro)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Dennis J Robinson)
  Re: gcc 2.5.6, libc.so.5 (...)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Andrew A. Lyovochkin)
  Re: Why is comp.os.linux still around? (Michael A. Irons)
  Re: _Real_ hackers ... (Michael A. Irons)
  Re: Reminiscence... (Joachim Sprave)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Klaus-Georg Adams)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Andy Bolton)
  Elm 2.4.23 and ISO-8859-1 charset on Linux (Arjan de Vet)
  Re: Linux Consortium (Mark Line)
  Are there problems using the Toshiba CD-ROM? (Tibor Polgar)
  Re: Shareware Linux For PC (Phil Anglin)
  VideoBlaster under Linux? (Badry Jason Theodore)
  AFIO (Dave Gymer)
  Re: A Linux Users Manual
  Re: BETA Slackware Linux 1.1.1
  HELP: Novell and Linux??!? (Modem Machine)
  Re: NEEDED: Info on dos and L

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: (null pointer)@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (jaughey)
Subject: Connection over packet TCP/IP network
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 05:23:28 GMT

I am planning on installing Linux very soon.  I would like to connect
my machine to the Amateur Radio Packet TCP/IP network.  Most people use
the KA9Q NOS software to do this.  Can I use Linux to do this.  If so
can you point me to some more information.

**NOTE** This news server I'm using doesn't handle the return address properly,
so if you have a reply for me, please drop out of the news and type in my
mailing address manually.  I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but nobody will
fix it.

jaughey@sonata.cc.purdue.edu
 

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Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.misc,comp.unix.questions
From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Where can I get vt100/vt220/vt320/ANSI specs?
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 01:14:29 GMT

Does anyone know where (preferably via ftp) I can get specs for vt100/vt220/
vt320/ANSI terminal emulations? I want to improve the vt100 emulation for linux, 
and am in need of specs which tell what the various escape sequences are 
supposed to do.

Any help is greatly appreciated.


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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.vms,relcom.talk,relcom.fido.su.general
From: cs348a19@ibmb2.cs.uiuc.edu (Dennis J Robinson)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 05:46:34 GMT

In <1993Dec7.230127.7662@inex.com> carlb@inex.com (Carl Boernecke) writes:

>llobet@elpp1.epfl.ch (Xavier Llobet EPFL - CRPP 1015 Lausanne CH) writes:
>>In article <1993Dec7.031614.16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>>:
>
>  [various system results removed... the higest being 405 seconds
>   from a DEC Vax, if I remember correctly]
>
>>:
>>:So comments are welcome.
>>:
>>:Cordially,
>>:Serge
>
>I don't like your benchmark!  Waaaahhh!  Took a total of 4109
>seconds on my 386/33 (without 387) and 8 MB of RAM.  Yes, the
>machine was a bit 'loaded' (three dial-in users, myself on
>two virtual terminals, one with X running a few color xterms),
>and an ftp session or two over my SLIP connection.  Still seems
>like a long time, though.
>
>Also, why did you use 'time(&t)' for the first line?  Why not
>'t=time(NULL)'.  Guess it doesn't really matter, but the pro-
>gram didn't want to run without that mod on my other system
>(SVR3.2.2).  Weird.
>
>-- Carl Boernecke (carlb@inex.com)
>   "Time flies like an arrow... fruit flies like a banana."

Took 42 seconds on a RS/6000 with two users.

Took 101 seconds on a sparc ipx with 3 users and 3 xterms open on console.



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From: jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (...)
Subject: Re: gcc 2.5.6, libc.so.5
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 03:32:07 GMT

In article <KEVINS.93Dec6230139@aragorn.ori.org> kevins@aragorn.ori.org (Kevin Smolkowski) writes:
>
>
>I noticed that someone uploaded a binary for gcc-2.5.6, which is
>fine as it compiles fine out of the box.  But what I don't 
>understand is that it "desires" libc minor version 504.  As far as
>I know, the latest and most up to date version of libc is
>4.4.4.  Am I behind or just too far ahead, or just too far out.

hmm... i'm using 2.5.6 & it hasn't given me any probs (well, not
_that_ many! :) i'm using libc.so.4.5.6. 
you said it "compiles fine out of the box".  wasn't it a binary? if so,
maybe the one who compiled it used minor 504.  i've not heard of a
libc higher than a 4.5.6 (although i've not checked today yet...)
>
>-Kevins
-jonM<><

-- 
-jonM<><
jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu, et al.

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.vms,relcom.talk,relcom.fido.su.general
From: andrew@sinor.nsk.su (Andrew A. Lyovochkin)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 01:23:59 GMT

In <1993Dec7.031614.16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:

>     Computer                             Time spent

>486DX2-66 EISA/VL 16Mb RAM
>running Linux (Slackware 1.1.0).
>gcc compiler.
>Single user                               27 sec.

>SUN Sparc-2 with >= 16 Mb RAM
>running SunOS
>Single user                               69 sec.

>So comments are welcome.

a KAKIE KOMPILQTORY BYLI NA DRUGIH TA^KAH, KROME 486?
i OPCII. a TO gcc TAM TAKOGO NAOPTIMIZIRUET - O^ENX MUDRAQ PROGRAMMA.

>Cordially,
>Serge

aNDREJ lEWO^KIN

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
From: mirons@icarus.ci.net (Michael A. Irons)
Subject: Re: Why is comp.os.linux still around?
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 00:38:05 GMT


        I never got a control message here that C.O.L was 'off the
air'. It seems as though this is following the path of the new group creations
and some people aren't getting the rmgroup message.

-- 

                                Mike Irons

                        mirons@Icarus.CI.NET

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From: mirons@icarus.ci.net (Michael A. Irons)
Subject: Re: _Real_ hackers ...
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 05:42:24 GMT


        Really, if your a _real_ hacker you don't use adb, you use od
& teco.  If you're really good, more & teco.
-- 

                                Mike Irons

                        mirons@Icarus.CI.NET

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From: joe@gonzo.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Joachim Sprave)
Subject: Re: Reminiscence...
Date: 8 Dec 1993 07:56:50 GMT

In article <2dgfgp$hb@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI
(Lars Wirzenius) writes:
|> [...]
|> ...Linux News?

I miss them very much ! Followup to comp.os.linux.jurassic ...

        joe, newbie since 0.96b

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From: adams@achibm1.chemie.uni-karlsruhe.de (Klaus-Georg Adams)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.vms,relcom.talk,relcom.fido.su.general
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: 8 Dec 1993 07:52:18 GMT
Reply-To: Poster

In article <1993Dec7.031614.16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
|> Seeing so many benchmark tests contradicting one another
|> gotta be confusing for insightful observer. For me perpetrating
|> mostly scientific calculations they do not offer much to
|> swallow to say nothing about digesting..
|> So in deep despair have I decided to run the following
|> short and, I hope, comprehensive code on various boxes widely
|> spread in academic community.
|> 

source deleted

|> 
|> As everybody with eyes can see, the program calculates some stuff
|> in a loop storing it in memory (gotta be ~ 8Mb of RAM taken)
|> and gives on output the number of seconds spent. And here are the
|> results of calculation:
|> 
|>      Computer                             Time spent
|> 
|> 486DX2-66 EISA/VL 16Mb RAM
|> running Linux (Slackware 1.1.0).
|> gcc compiler.
|> Single user                               27 sec.

486DX-33 ISA 8Mb RAM
running Linux
Single user, but many Windows,
Swapping heavily                        94 sec. real, 58 sec. CPU

IBM PowerServer 520, 32 Mb RAM
RS/6000 Chip
running AIX 3.2.3e
compilation in Background               30 sec. real, 16 sec. CPU

IBM PowerStation 320H, 32 Mb RAM
RS/6000 Chip
running AIX 3.2.3e
single user                             12 sec. real, 12 sec. CPU

IBM PowerServer 560, >32 Mb RAM
RS/6000 Chip
running AIX 3.2.5
single user                             7 sec. real, 7 sec. CPU

|> SUN Sparc-2 with >= 16 Mb RAM
|> running SunOS
|> Single user                               69 sec.
|> 
|> DEC VAX with ALPHA chip
|> running VMS
|> With quite a few users on                 69 sec.
|> 
|> SUN-4
|> running SunOS
|> Single user                               73 sec.
|> 
|> DEC VAXstation 3100
|> running VMS
|> Single user                               405 sec.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> So comments are welcome.

The Benchmark is unfair to machines with less than 10 Mb
RAM, for they have to start paging (see result of my linuxbox
with 8 Mb.

I started the benchmark with 'time bench' to be less dependent
of the relative load of the machines.

|> 
|> Cordially,
|> Serge

Klaus-Georg Adams (adams@achibm1.chemie.uni-karlsruhe.de)

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From: bolton.sbd-e@rx.xerox.com (Andy Bolton)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Reply-To: bolton.sbd-e@rx.xerox.com
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 15:12:32 GMT

In article 16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu, viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:

>     Computer                             Time spent
>
>486DX2-66 EISA/VL 16Mb RAM
>running Linux (Slackware 1.1.0).
>gcc compiler.
>Single user                               27 sec.
>
>SUN Sparc-2 with >= 16 Mb RAM
>running SunOS
>Single user                               69 sec.
>
>DEC VAX with ALPHA chip
>running VMS
>With quite a few users on                 69 sec.
>
>SUN-4
>running SunOS
>Single user                               73 sec.
>
>DEC VAXstation 3100
>running VMS
>Single user                               405 sec.

Sun Sparc IPX
SunOS 4.1.2
Single User                                88 sec.

486DX-33 VL 
Linux Slackware
Single user                                168 sec.

IBM RS/6000 320H
AIX 3.2
Single User                                15 sec.

Can't wait to try it on my 386SX20 at home.....

Cheers,

Andy.

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From: devet@adv.win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm 2.4.23 and ISO-8859-1 charset on Linux
Date: 8 Dec 1993 01:22:53 +0100


Did anybody succeed compiling Elm 2.4.23 in such a way that ISO-8859-1
characters are properly displayed using the builtin+ viewer? less works OK
as an ISO-8859-1 viewer, so the problem must be in the builtin+ viewer.

I found out that isprint() and isascii() return 0 (false) for characters
above 127 on Linux. Because of this Elm replaces characters above 127 with
a `?'.  But even with removing this isprint() and isascii() check Elm still
doesn't display ISO-8859-1 characters correctly: an e with a ' accent is
displayed as a white solid box :-(.

Arjan

--
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Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands <devet@win.tue.nl> (work)

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From: markline@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Mark Line)
Subject: Re: Linux Consortium
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 02:09:24 GMT

wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:

>magnus@skarv.ii.uib.no (Magnus Y Alvestad) writes:
>> If magazines start reviewing Linux distributions the need for a Review
>> group / consortium will disappear. I agree.

>So start doing it.  I'm sure Linux Journal would love to have them.

Is LJ the one that's been promised off and on sporadically to appear
some day, or is this something I've missed?

>Publishing reviews does not have any of these problems.  A review is
>not just a binary value, and there is room to explain what things are
>good and what things are bad about a product, and also why you think
>so.  People can then consider themselves whether they agree or not.

Why are

(a) Magnus publishes a review in UnixWorld or some such; and
(b) a group of LC collaborators publish a rivew in UnixWorld or some
    such

so different that people are prepared to support the one but not the
other? Why do think that the LC work *precludes* publishing reviews in
refereed magazines of high circulation and bandwidth? Why do you
assume that the result of LC testing and comparison is merely binary?
This kind of review article you're proposing is what I was expecting
from the LC -- Magnus has tried to explain that till he's (presumably)
blue in the face.

As to the "binary" part of the result: I'm sure you've seen scads of
review articles on everything from VCRs to cars to software and
hardware components, and many if not most of them these days have
something like a "scoreboard" in which all the bandwidth contained in
the text is reduced to just a few, usually binary criteria. Sometimes
you even just get a grade (excellent/good/passable/poor) in that kind
of summary. So what's your complaint? Did you suppose that the LC
would spend three months testing a distribution and then post the
following (as an example only) to c.o.l.a.? --

XYZ 1.05       --       APPROVED
ABC 3.7.19     --       NOT APPROVED
FGH 0.03       --       NOT APPROVED

How long would you expect that to survive the flames? The idea of
publishing LC reviews in places like PC Mag and UnixReview and such is
a good one -- thanks. I'm a (small) publisher, among other things, and
I'll venture to guess it'll be a long, uphill climb to get serious
reviews of Linux distributions into this kind of forum within, say,
the next 12 months. I encourage Magnus to try, but note that he should
not become discouraged if he's turned down.

What is the current circulation of the Linux Journal that you
suggested the LC publish in?

-- Mark

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From: tlp00@climb.ras.amdahl.com (Tibor Polgar)
Subject: Are there problems using the Toshiba CD-ROM?
Date: 30 Nov 93 22:23:42 GMT

The local computer shop that is building up my PC told me that Linux has
problems with the above scsi cd-rom drive (its the 200ms one).  They are basing
this on a customer who complained that the drive would report an i/o error(?)
and then linux would hang/crash.  They recommended a Sony CD-ROM instead (the
285ms one).  Sounds more like a "not very robust" driver....

Comments??

--
Tibor Polgar
tlp00@eng.amdahl.com, Amdahl Corp, ph.(408) 746-8649

-- all disclaimers apply  --

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From: phil@clark.net (Phil Anglin)
Subject: Re: Shareware Linux For PC
Date: 7 Dec 1993 22:18:12 -0500

In article <CHMMCK.1u3@spudge.lonestar.org>,
John Munsch <johnm@spudge.lonestar.org> wrote:
>Before anyone takes this advice let me point out that there are such things
>as compilation copyrights (which I can get for taking your Linux and adding
>a whole bunch of things to it), copyrights for printed materials that may 
>come with the disc, etc.
>
>Don't go giving anybody else's work unless you are sure what you can legally
>give away.

I think compilation copyrights apply to compilations of non-copyrighted
material (e.g. lists of names and addresses, dictionaries, etc).
Of course, I'm no lawyer (but I play one on USENET :)

P.S. I took comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted out of the Newsgroups.
-- 
=======================================================================
Phil Anglin                     |       "Push the button, Frank!"
Millersville, MD                |       - Dr. Clayton Forrester
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From: badry@gsb005.cs.ualberta.ca (Badry Jason Theodore)
Subject: VideoBlaster under Linux?
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 03:16:39 GMT

Has anyone written or worked with a VideoBlaster (Creative Labs) under Linux?
I just installed the new Slackware and would like to be able to use my
Video Blaster without going back to my Dos partition.  Any help would be
appreciated.

.. Jason Badry
   badry@cs.ualberta.ca
  

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From: Dave Gymer <dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk>
Subject: AFIO
Reply-To: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk
Date: 7 Dec 1993 23:24:35 -0000

First off, let me apologize to all those who have sent me e-mail about
AFIO; I've now got quite a collection of patches and so on and will deal
with them sometime soon.  I'm sorry that I haven't answered all your
mail personally, but earlier this year I was hospitalized with a serious
illness which led onto some pretty unpleasant surgery, so I've been
letting things slip a bit (ever come back from a break to find nearly
200 e-mails in your mailbox? ;-).

So, the upshot of all this is that I won't be able to update AFIO until
January.  The changes are all of a minor nature.

I did have one e-mail from someone who discovered that on restoring from
tape, some files had a 0 length; if anyone else has had this problem
please do let me know.  I will apologize in advance if I do not reply in
person, or promptly, but rest assured I do read every single peice of
mail.

Thank you once again for your encouragement,
-- Dave.
-- 
I'm a .signature with an identity crisis.

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From: engels@groucho ()
Subject: Re: A Linux Users Manual
Date: 8 Dec 1993 10:54:17 GMT
Reply-To: engelsg@uni-duesseldorf.de

DAVIN GEORGE (davin.george@welcom.gen.nz) wrote:
: Gidday Fokes.

: As a MsDos user who had problems himself with installing Linux I figured
: it wouldn't be a bad idea if somebody wrote basically a Installation and
: Command Reference Book for new Linux users. I've started work on it
: already and was wondering what people would want in a book like this. I
: mean we've no doubt all gone out and brought Unix books and found that
: some of the commands just don't apply and spent the next day trying to
: find something remotely similar.

[snip]

A lot of what you described is covered by Matt Welshs ''Linux Installation
and getting started'' book. I'm sure that there are still some topics which
are not covered by this book, the other LDP-book, the HOWTO's and FAQ's, but
you didn't mention the install guide in your post, so you seem to want to 
reinvent the wheel. It's good that you want to do this work; try to coordinate
it with other writers.

engelsg@uni-duesseldorf.de
 


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From: engels@groucho ()
Subject: Re: BETA Slackware Linux 1.1.1
Date: 8 Dec 1993 10:56:08 GMT
Reply-To: engelsg@uni-duesseldorf.de

Patrick J. Volkerding (volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu) wrote:
: If you'd like to help test the new release of Slackware Linux, it can be
: found in /pub/linux/BETA on ftp.cdrom.com. The complete sources are also
: now available under /pub/linux/slackware_source.

: It'll be moved into /pub/linux/slackware and officially announced after
: the testing period ends. Lots of stuff has changed, so help me test it
: thoroughly!

: This new release has your choice of 0.99pl13, 0.99pl13r, 0.99pl14, and
: 0.99pl14a, and attempts to follow the new file system standard (FSSTND).
: Special thanks goes out to Daniel Quinlan and all the people who have
: worked on the new standard.

[snip]

Sorry to ask, but what is the new file system standard?

engelsg@uni-duesseldorf.de



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From: modem@atdetail.demon.co.uk (Modem Machine)
Subject: HELP: Novell and Linux??!?
Date: 6 Dec 93 18:28:51 GMT
Reply-To: modem@atdetail.demon.co.uk

Hi,

I have recenetly acquired SLS release 1.01 of linux. I have managed to
get most things working apart from the following:

        a. dos emulator: when I try to use a text editor it displays
           the screen start as being half way accross the screen. and 
           up by a line which is out of view.  The cursor has no movement
           neither.  Also, I copied a file from linux into the real DOS
           partition and then tried to copy it to the hdimage, DOSEMU
           did not see the file, until I rebooted the MACHINE.  
           Any ideas????

        b.      Can I mount a Novell ethernet drive in dos format? or from
                dosemu, although I prefer to use linux to access it.

        c.      Anyone has any experience of using Alliance under linux?

Any input will be apreciated.

Ahmed...

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Dark Lane, Hatton                | Modem: +44 926 843 587
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From: engels@groucho ()
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Info on dos and L
Date: 8 Dec 1993 11:02:21 GMT
Reply-To: engelsg@uni-duesseldorf.de

DAVIN GEORGE (davin.george@welcom.gen.nz) wrote:

: A>    Is it possible to have Linux in one hard disk and OS/2, DOS in oth
: A>If so what would be the best way to do it ? I 'm thinking in put  os/2
: A>windows in c : and linux in drive d: and use the boot utility from the
: A>boot what ever system I want.

: I don't think it is possible. I tried this for a while myself and the only
: way I could get it to work was by running the Fdisk under each operating
: system whenever you wanted to change to the other one. Not what I'ld call
: a very easy and cooperative system. I got this going in the end just by
: using Linux as the Boot manager. Its a hell of alot easier and Linux
: recognises quite a large variety of filing systems including HPFS. Good
: luck.

Aeh, am I missing the point? We use in some machines DOS/Windows on one hard
disk and Linux on the other and we can boot both with Lilo. I heard of some
problems with OS2 and Lilo, but that it is possible to combine them. Any
experiences from the experts ...

engelsg@uni-duesseldorf.de



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