Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #392
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date:     Wed, 8 Dec 93 10:13:25 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #392, Volume #1                 Wed, 8 Dec 93 10:13:25 EST

Contents:
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  SMC Elite Ultra (Barry Schiff)
  Re: NEEDED: Info on LInux and VLB controllers (ROUANET - Old VM)
  Motif for Linux (M.Arifi Koseoglu)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Peter Sestoft)
  Need Comm. Software ! (Marco Bertolucci)
  Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  Re: Anyone seen the mailing list lately? (Brian McCauley)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Harvey Brydon (918250-4312))
  Re: Why is comp.os.linux still around? (Christopher W. Donald)
  Linux and my modem (Tim Keeling)
  Re: Memory usage question for 0.99.pl14 (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Martin Spenceley)
  Re: VLB & Linux (Dan Mattrazzo)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Dan Mattrazzo)
  Re: Xwindows Terminal (Mark A. Davis)
  Is there a Mac version available (Jens Wallenhorst)
  Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux (Michael Larsen)
  Miranda 4 Linux (Jesper Honig Spring)
  Possible to boot up with XDM (Jesper Honig Spring)
  Re: EXT2 filesystem unrecoverable error - HELP!!!!! (Holm Sieber)

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1993 11:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: bschiff@stc.lockheed.com (Barry Schiff)
Subject: SMC Elite Ultra
Date: 6 Dec 93 18:27:59 GMT
Reply-To: bschiff@stc.lockheed.com

Would love to hear about any experences with this card and Linux.
Thanks in advance.

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From: rouanet@frbdx11.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr (ROUANET - Old VM)
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Info on LInux and VLB controllers
Date: 8 Dec 1993 08:38:50 GMT

amaral@fnala.fnal.gov wrote:

: Hi ,
:       I saw a lot of manufacturers announcing systems with VLB IDE or VLB
: SCSI controllers. Does anyone have Linux working with this sort of controller ?

:       Thanks for any info,

:                               J.Amaral
                                amaral@fnal.fnal.gov


        I have Linux working with a VLB IDE controller (Taiwan) on my DX2-66
 with a 500 Meg Conner drive. It's fast and I have no problems with it.
        J.F. Rouanet
        rouanet@frbdx11.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr

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From: arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu (M.Arifi Koseoglu)
Subject: Motif for Linux
Date: 6 Dec 93 23:06:48 GMT
Reply-To: arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu (M.Arifi Koseoglu)


Hi !

Could someone please send me the place from where I
can get Motif for Linux from ?

Thanks in advance,
Arifi

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From: sestoft@idcad6.uucp (Peter Sestoft)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 10:31:54 GMT

bolton.sbd-e@rx.xerox.com (Andy Bolton) writes:

>In article 16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu, viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:

>>     Computer                             Time spent
>>
>>486DX2-66 EISA/VL 16Mb RAM
>>running Linux (Slackware 1.1.0).
>>gcc compiler.
>>Single user                               27 sec.
>>
>>SUN Sparc-2 with >= 16 Mb RAM
>>running SunOS
>>Single user                               69 sec.
>>
>>DEC VAX with ALPHA chip
>>running VMS
>>With quite a few users on                 69 sec.
>>
>>SUN-4
>>running SunOS
>>Single user                               73 sec.
>>
>>DEC VAXstation 3100
>>running VMS
>>Single user                               405 sec.

>Sun Sparc IPX
>SunOS 4.1.2
>Single User                                88 sec.

>486DX-33 VL 
>Linux Slackware
>Single user                                168 sec.

This is odd; compare my Linux box:

486DX/33MHz VL 16 MB RAM 256 KB cache
Linux SLS 1.03, gcc 2.4.5
single user (but running X)                  57 sec.

And then some Digital machines.  For these I had to move the
declaration double x, y[1000000] out of main(), since DEC/Ultrix does
not think a procedure should be allowed to allocate that much memory
--- it gives a segmentation fault.  No such trouble with Linux/gcc.

DECstation 3100, 16 MB RAM, Ultrix 
gcc, single user                             50 sec.

DECstation 5200, 48 MB RAM, Ultrix
gcc, a few users                             28 sec.

DECstation 5240, 128 MB RAM, Ultrix
gcc, single user                             19 sec.

DECstation 3000 M-400 (Alpha, 150 MHz)
92 MB RAM, OSF/1, cc, single user            12 sec.

I doublechecked with 'time' also.



-- 
Peter Sestoft   *   sestoft@id.dth.dk   *   Department of Computer Science
Technical University of Denmark, Building 344      DK-2800 Lyngby, Denmark
Tel: +45 45 93 33 32 * Direct: +45 45 93 12 22/3749 * Fax: +45 42 88 45 30

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From: n8ac@unb.ca (Marco Bertolucci)
Subject: Need Comm. Software !
Date: 5 Dec 93 19:26:32 GMT
Reply-To: n8ac@unb.ca


Hello, I am student enrolled in a course called System Engineering.  The course's objective was to set up an electronic network to allow companies to share information.  We have many companies that are interested in participating but we have had some trouble finding the proper communication software to run our network.

The following are the requirements for our network:

- full graphic interface between PC and VAX mainframe with normal phone line

- VAX architecture might be too old and we do have the capacity to upgrade to
  an new system architecture which will be able to handle our demands.



- PC remote station must be able to execute mainframe programs example :

                 - ANSYS
                 - UNIGRAPHICS
                 - MATLAB
                 - XMATH
                 - ALGOR
                 - etc
                 
- menu driven software

- cost minimal; remote station must be able to use this network with minimal cost for
  upgrade

- screen sharing capabilities (real time and transmission rate > 2400 baud) 

- file transfer must have choice of common communication protocols


So far we know of :  PC-X
                     VISIT from Northern Telecom ( cannot be accessed from a                            remote station not having VISIT software)

                     
Any recommandations to what kind of commercial or public domain software we should use will be appreciated.

Yesterday, I recieved a reply to address the comp.os.linux.* groups for help and it also mentioned that the software requirements I need may be meet by a software package called XFREE ?  Will it, if so where can I get some information on it ?


Thank you,

Marco

email:n8ac@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca

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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux
Date: 8 Dec 1993 13:05:02 GMT

Hi,
out of 4.173 registered Linux users, 45 have chosen to register
themselves using the //PERSON option of the Linux counter, and 32
of these have told me when they started using Linux.
This gives the following chart for how long people have been
using Linux:

Reporting on 45 persons
How many years they have been using Linux
=========================================
0y 0m: 19
0y 3m: 6
0y 9m: 4
0y 6m: 6
1y 3m: 1
1y 6m: 4
1y 9m: 2
1y 0m: 2
2y 0m: 1
Unknown: 13

(One of these is a bit of a time traveller; he started using Linux in
January 1994. Another has used it since November 1991; early bird!)

So, of 32 respondents, more than half have started using Linux
over the last 3 months.
Interesting......but it is extrapolating a bit far based on little data.

If YOU want to make a better significance, send an E-mail to

    linux-counter@uninett.no

containing the word "help", fill in the form marked "//PERSON", and
return it to

    linux-counter@uninett.no

Have a good time!

-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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From: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Brian McCauley)
Subject: Re: Anyone seen the mailing list lately?
Date: 08 Dec 1993 13:07:21 GMT
Reply-To: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk

In article <CHM9MJ.9u5@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) writes:


   In article <2dv74q$np9@nms.telepost.no>, tor@spacetec.no (Tor Arntsen) writes:
   > Is it only me that hasn't received anything from the linux-activists
   mailing list
   > the last one and a half day, or is it the same everywhere?  If someone could
   > confirm this I could just relax and assume that the problem is in
   Finland and not here.
   > 
   > Tor

   Nope, I am not getting mine either.  I have noticed the list getting
   a little erratic lately, things seem to come in bursts, with repeats.
   My last incoming digest was dated Sat Dec  4 07:50.

On a related issue are the linux-activists-owner and
linux-activists-request addresses working. I've been subscribed to the
tape channel for ages and I can't unsubscribe or subscribe to other
channels or even get the help file out of the thing. All my messages
to -owner or -request just seem to dissappear without even a bounce message.
--
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###LL  LL\\ (Brian McCauley)  | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk

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From: brydon@dsnvx1.tulsa.dowell.slb.com (Harvey Brydon (918)250-4312)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.vms,relcom.talk,relcom.fido.su.general
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: 8 Dec 1993 13:13:47 GMT
Reply-To: brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com

In article <1993Dec7.031614.16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>Seeing so many benchmark tests contradicting one another
>gotta be confusing for insightful observer. For me perpetrating
>mostly scientific calculations they do not offer much to
>swallow to say nothing about digesting..
>So in deep despair have I decided to run the following
>short and, I hope, comprehensive code on various boxes widely
>spread in academic community.

[...]

>DEC VAXstation 3100
>running VMS
>Single user                               405 sec.

What kind of 3100 was it?  There is quite a range of CPU speed in the 3100
line, depending mostly on model.  You also didn't describe memory sizes, which
will make somewhat of a difference.
_______________________________________________________________
Harvey Brydon         | Internet:   brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
Schlumberger Dowell   | P.O.T.S.:   (918)250-4312
"...but this is the art of the machines - they serve that they may rule..."
  - Samuel Butler, Erewhon (1872)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
From: sg92gtmq@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Christopher W. Donald)
Subject: Re: Why is comp.os.linux still around?
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 12:30:45 GMT


Sender:sg92gtmq@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Drexel University
Keywords: 
What is the new news group?

Christopher Donald
Drexel University
Philadelphia, PA 19114


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From: keeling@cs.utk.edu (Tim Keeling)
Subject: Linux and my modem
Date: 8 Dec 93 13:41:34 GMT

I need to learn how to control my modem on COM2 under Linux or *nix
in general. Any good books or notes around?

Thanks.

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From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: Memory usage question for 0.99.pl14
Date: 8 Dec 93 05:38:35 GMT

In article <1993Dec7.031902.7413@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
>In article <1993Dec6.220008.7369@mercury.ncat.edu>, hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu says:
>+---------------
>| Interesting. I did not know about free. Well of course I just tried it.
>| Here is my numbers with pl14. The buffer number seems high. Can one reduce
>| the size of the buffers?
>| 
>| > free
>|              total       used       free     shared    buffers
>| Mem:         31744      12140      19604       2300      10292
>| Swap:            0          0          0
>+---------------
>
>Not this stupid thread again.  I know it's absolutely unusual to read FAQs,
>but you might *consider* doing so....
>
>Linux, for all you folks who "know better than to read stupid FAQs" <sarcasm
>off> dynamically reallocates free memory to the buffer cache *and* *back*
>*again* as needed.  If you have almost nothing running on your system, most of
>your memory will go into the buffer cache; when you start a program that needs
>memory, the cache will shrink to provide the memory.

Since I've seen this same question posted here hundreds of times (at least
it seems like that many), purhaps the manainer of the "free" program should
modify the output slightly:

        total   available=( free + buffers)  shared
Mem:    31744       29896  19604     10292     2300
Swap:       0           0      0

I know this is ugly, but it is completly self explainatory.
If they want to know how much is used, they can calculate it
as total - free, but listing it just seems to confuse people...
If you really want it then try:

        total=(available+(  used - buffers))   free   shared
Mem:    31744      29896   12140     10292    19604     2300
Swap:       0          0       0

However, I think I prefere the first listing, since this seems
to list things in a more logically(and probably less confusing).

                           Bill


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From: martin@chemeng.ed.ac.uk (Martin Spenceley)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: 8 Dec 1993 14:17:11 -0000


>>In article 16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu, viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>
>>>     Computer                             Time spent
>>>
>>>486DX2-66 EISA/VL 16Mb RAM
>>>running Linux (Slackware 1.1.0).
>>>gcc compiler.
>>>Single user                               27 sec.
>>>
>>>SUN Sparc-2 with >= 16 Mb RAM
>>>running SunOS
>>>Single user                               69 sec.

   Sun Sparc-2 with 32 Mb RAM
   Weitek Power up CPU replacement (80MHz?)
   running SunOS 4.1.3
   Single user

   gcc compiler                              47 sec
   Sun compiler (acc)                        58 sec 
                                             ^^^^^^^^^
   This is suprising as the commercial compiler is slower!

>>>DEC VAX with ALPHA chip
>>>running VMS
>>>With quite a few users on                 69 sec.
>>>
>>>SUN-4
>>>running SunOS
>>>Single user                               73 sec.
>>>
>>>DEC VAXstation 3100
>>>running VMS
>>>Single user                               405 sec.
>
>>Sun Sparc IPX
>>SunOS 4.1.2
>>Single User                                88 sec.
>
>>486DX-33 VL 
>>Linux Slackware
>>Single user                                168 sec.
>
>This is odd; compare my Linux box:
>
>486DX/33MHz VL 16 MB RAM 256 KB cache
>Linux SLS 1.03, gcc 2.4.5
>single user (but running X)                 57 sec.

>And then some Digital machines.  For these I had to move the
>declaration double x, y[1000000] out of main(), since DEC/Ultrix does
>not think a procedure should be allowed to allocate that much memory
>--- it gives a segmentation fault.  No such trouble with Linux/gcc.

>DECstation 3100, 16 MB RAM, Ultrix
>gcc, single user                             50 sec.

>DECstation 5200, 48 MB RAM, Ultrix
>gcc, a few users                             28 sec.

>DECstation 5240, 128 MB RAM, Ultrix
>gcc, single user                             19 sec.

You should not compare these results with the rest.

Putting the array outside the function does improve things somewhat.
I did the same thing and rerun it.
   
   Sun Sparc-2 with 32 Mb RAM
   Weitek Power up CPU replacement.
   running SunOS 4.1.3
   Single user
   gcc compiler                              39 sec

An improvement of 8 sec!

Hope this is useful to someone!


Martin

-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Martin W. Spenceley                   Telephone 031 650 5891         
    Department of Chemical Engineering    email: martin@uk.ac.ed.chemeng  
    Edinburgh University     "Remember, no matter where you go there you are"-BB                    

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From: dcm6986@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Dan Mattrazzo)
Subject: Re: VLB & Linux
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 13:04:15 GMT

In article <ak.755270542@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, ak@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Albert King) writes:
>How compatible is The VEAS LOCAL BUS with Linux?
>
>Will Linux run on a VLB system etc?
>
>Thanks, Al.
>

        Yes it will run on the VESA _bus_, the question is whether it is 
        compatible with your VLB _cards_.  For the most part, I haven't
        seen any more problems with VLB cards than with ISA or EISA 
        (which is few).  But if you want to run Xwindows, be sure your
        video card is compatible (rather supported) as some Diamond
        cards have had problems configuring. (but that's another story)


=============================================================================== 
        Dan Mattrazzo                           
        dcmfac@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
        
        Mastering that Parallel thing  
        Graduate Studies
        Computer Science
        Rochester Institute of Technology

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.vms,relcom.talk,relcom.fido.su.general
From: dcm6986@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Dan Mattrazzo)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 13:13:45 GMT

In article <1993Dec7.031614.16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>#include <stdio.h>
>#include <math.h>
>#include <time.h>
>main()
>{
>double  x,y[1000000];
>int     i;
>time_t  t;
>
>time(&t);
>for (i=0;i<1000000;i++)
>        {
>        x=11.0+(33.5*i)*(33.5*i);
>        y[i]=(sin(3.1*i)+cos(5.1*i))*sqrt(x+exp(3.14*log(x+i)));
>        }
>printf("time=%d\n",time(0)-t);
>}
>- - - - - - - - - - - - Cut here - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>
>As everybody with eyes can see, the program calculates some stuff
>in a loop storing it in memory (gotta be ~ 8Mb of RAM taken)
>and gives on output the number of seconds spent. And here are the
>results of calculation:

        Another problem that I can see is that the code is small enough
        to fit in cache, which will easily skew the results.  That would
        explain why the poor chap with the 386 might have taken a few
        minutes to run, if he didn't have cache.

=============================================================================== 
        Dan Mattrazzo                           
        dcmfac@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
        
        Mastering that Parallel thing  
        Graduate Studies
        Computer Science
        Rochester Institute of Technology

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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Xwindows Terminal
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1993 13:45:17 GMT

keith@ksmith.com (Keith Smith) writes:

>In article <755204228snx@egger-uk.demon.co.uk>,
>Charles Gillanders <chaz@egger-uk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Erm, whilst on this subject does anyone know if its possible to get X to start 
>>WITHOUT a display,  I know this sounds silly but I have a friend who has an 
>>X-term and would like to get the X-term to use the linux box as an X server, 
>>but he doesn't want the server to be messing around with X actually on screen 
>>if you see what I mean....

>Ummm,  An X-term should already BE an Xserver ..

No, an *Xterminal* should already BE an Xserver.  An Xterm is a client program
run under Xwindows to emulate a terminal.

>>
>>So the question is it possible to start up an X server without any client 
>>display on the PC and then access that server from an X term.

>The Linux X server is for IBM-PC harware running Linux only.  You can't
>run a Linux X server on a Brand-X X terminal.

>The X-terminal should already _BE_ the X server, ie, the server code
>needs to be running on the TERMINAL not the CPU unless you have one of
>the less expensive terminals, that require the host CPU to act as the
>server.

At which point it is not an Xterminal, but some sort of primative Xdisplay.
For something to be called an Xterminal, it must be running the Xserver
code itself.  Any other method would put way too much load on the host.

>In the case that the X-terminal _is_ the server but must upload terminal
                                                          ^^^^^^ download
>specific software (binaries) over the ethernet, you have to have the boot
>binary for the specific terminal in question on some net machine that
>will accept/transfer the boot request ( just like some network printers ).

Some Xterminals have the boot/server code in ROM, or Flash ROM/RAM.
Most have options for either local or remote boot, remote boot being more
popular.

>In the case of a dumb X terminal

There is no such thing as a "dumb X terminal".  An Xterminal is an Xterminal.

> the server software will be SPECIFIC to
>that terminal and will come with a binary specific to the platform it is
>running on, Like the WYSE X5 driver for SCO or the WYSE X5 for SUN or
>whatever.

Incorrect.  The binary for the server which an Xterminal runs in specific to
the Xterminal and does not vary at all with the host platform.  Neither do
the fonts.  The Tektronix server tape, for example, is completely generic,
and can be loaded on any Unix machine.  The WYSE X5 *IS* an Xterminal, not
a brain-dead xdisplay of some sort, like the low end Qume, which you are
probably thinking of (WARNING:  THINK TWICE BEFORE BUYING A SO-CALLED
"XTERMINAL" WHERE THE SERVER CODE RUNS ON THE HOST, IT IS NOT A TRUE
XTERMINAL AND YOUR PERFORMANCE WILL BE VERY POOR AND THE TERMINAL WILL PUT
A HUGE AND UNNECESSARY OVERHEAD ON THE HOST MACHINE!!)

>Once the X-term is running you just run the CLIENTS over the net which
>may reside on ANY machine on the network.

>One of the Cheapest X-terminals you can buy is a 486/33 with a VLB
>Graphics accellerator card 8MB of RAM, and ethernet card, KB, mouse and
>nice monitor, running Linux <G>!

That is not completely true.  True Xterminals are *normally* going to be much
faster than any "typical" clone configuration.  They usually have better
displays, performance, warranty, etc.  There is almost no time wasted in
configuration, installation, etc...   there is no media to format, load,
backup, fail, etc... there is no OS to install, configure, tweak, upgrade,
etc.  The ethernet performance of a typical Xterminal is usually much better
than a typical clone.  Etc.

A Linux box *DOES* make an excellent Xterminal- especially if you need
color.  It is initially very cost effective too.  When commercial Xservers
for clones and TCP for clones were first coming out a few years ago the
prices were OUTRAGEOUS- Linux has done a WHOLE LOT to wipe those problems
away.  Another advantage of a Linux Xterminal solution is that there is no
charge for a "server tape" (typically from $100 to $450).  But it is an
initial cost only, negligible on a larger site.  But true Xterminals, which
have no user-loaded OS or media, are MUCH easier to install and maintain,
making them much more desirable for larger sites which need many users to
run X; and in the medium/long run they usually turn out to be much less
expensive.  In addition, Xterminals are completely assembled and tested
to work properly in their configuration.  Most people comparing clones to
Xterminals tend to use the pricing of cheap, self-assembled parts; neglecting
to include the cost of research, parts ordering, assembly, testing, etc.

A 100,000 Xstone 14" mono Tek Xterminal, new, 4MB RAM, can be had
for under $875.  Plug it in, turn it on, set the IP address and you be done.
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.wyvern.com   .uucp |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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Subject: Is there a Mac version available
From: Jens Wallenhorst <ahab@nmbbs.toppoint.de>
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 93 12:58:44 +0000 
Reply-To: ahab@nmbbs.toppoint.de


Hi!

I heard some rumors that LINUX will be ported to the Macintosh. Is this 
true? An AMIGA version already exists, if this rumors are true. THe Amiga 
and the Mac use both a 680x0 CPU .
Does anybody have more information regarding Linux for Mac?

ciao,
Jens


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Jens Wallenhorst 
Papenkamp 33 - 24114 Kiel - Germany

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From: odin@login.dkuug.dk (Michael Larsen)
Subject: Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 14:47:10 GMT

hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes:

>Hi,
>out of 4.173 registered Linux users, 45 have chosen to register
>themselves using the //PERSON option of the Linux counter, and 32
>of these have told me when they started using Linux.
>This gives the following chart for how long people have been
>using Linux:

>Reporting on 45 persons
>How many years they have been using Linux
>=========================================
>0y 0m: 19
>0y 3m: 6
>0y 9m: 4
>0y 6m: 6
>1y 3m: 1
>1y 6m: 4
>1y 9m: 2
>1y 0m: 2
>2y 0m: 1
>Unknown: 13

>(One of these is a bit of a time traveller; he started using Linux in
>January 1994. Another has used it since November 1991; early bird!)

>So, of 32 respondents, more than half have started using Linux
>over the last 3 months.
>Interesting......but it is extrapolating a bit far based on little data.

>If YOU want to make a better significance, send an E-mail to

>    linux-counter@uninett.no

>containing the word "help", fill in the form marked "//PERSON", and
>return it to

>    linux-counter@uninett.no

>Have a good time!

>-- 
>                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
>                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
>      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
>                      +47 73 59 70 94
>My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.


Did you know that (aparently) 10000 copies of LGX fall have been
produced... I wonder how many of the other distributions... if they are
ALL in use, there must be nearer 25000 copies of linux around which I SUPPOSE
people are using....

Comments anyone??

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From: spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring)
Subject: Miranda 4 Linux
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 13:12:19 GMT

Hello

Does anyone know of a PD version of Miranda for Linux.

If not how about a similar functional programming language 
I have heard of a FPL called GOPHER for DOS, which should
almost be identical to Miranda, but I cannot seem to find
it anywhere

Thanks
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     jesper honig spring                    department of computer science 
         spring@diku.dk                    university of copenhagen, denmark  
===============================================================================

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From: spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring)
Subject: Possible to boot up with XDM
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 13:16:45 GMT

Is it possible automatically start XDM at boot up?

Is XDM bugfree or does it suffer from several errors?
The reason for this latter question is that I have tried
to use XDM after logging in as root, and I have experienced
several freezes using XDM.


-- 
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     jesper honig spring                    department of computer science 
         spring@diku.dk                    university of copenhagen, denmark  
===============================================================================

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From: hsieber@Mathematik.TU-Chemnitz.DE (Holm Sieber)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: EXT2 filesystem unrecoverable error - HELP!!!!!
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 14:15:39 GMT

In article <ecarpCHK3EA.Do8@netcom.com> ecarp@netcom.com (Ed Carp) writes:

>Then it STOPS!  It won't continue, it won't fix the filesystem.  When the
>system comes up, and it hits the directory where the problem is, the
>damned kernel PANICS!

>kernel panic: EXT2-fs panic: ext2_read_inode: unable to read i-node block

I have the same problem. The reason is a damaged harddisc. But I don't
know how I can repair the problem.
       //    Holm Sieber         Tel.: +49(0)371/411784        \\
       ||    Gieszerstr. 5             (FRG/Chemnitz/..)       ||
       ||    09130 Chemnitz                                    || 
       \\    e-mail: holm.sieber@mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de     //

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