Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #404
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Fri, 10 Dec 93 05:13:09 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #404, Volume #1                Fri, 10 Dec 93 05:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: JANA CD Problems. (Jana)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: Elm 2.4.23 and ISO-8859-1 charset on Linux (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: Security (Joel M. Hoffman)
  [Solved] LILO - can't boot DOS. (Greg Patten)
  How to nuke C.O.L without killing C.O.L.* (Michael A. Irons)
  Re: HELP - *big* problem installing Slackware 1.1.0 (Stuart Johnson)
  Test (Tony Phillips)
  Another test (Tony Phillips)
  This is the last test (Tony Phillips)
  Re: sxpc question... (Tiberiu Grigoriu)
  Re: Linux Consortium (Matt Welsh)
  What scanner to buy? (Ajay Shah)
  fax modems (Titusz Feher)
  More SLS Problems... (ADAM HUSIK)

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 03:47:19 GMT

In article <1993Dec9.161447.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>, khockenb@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu says:
+---------------
| In article <Dec.9.10.12.15.1993.10464@pilot.njin.net>, dblack@pilot.njin.net (David Alan Black) writes:
| > But it's an interesting question.  Not that this is a scientifically correct
| > way to conduct a survey, but....  have people had the experience of giving
| > Linux to non-internet-connected friends, and having them actually install
| > and use it?  Just curious.
| 
| Yes, I have.  I have also given linux to non-internet connected and 
| internet-connected-but-non-knowledgeable people, but that's because I
| work at the computer center, and people on campus looking for unix info 
| often get pointed at me...
+---------------

Yup, and I field a lot more locally because the sysop of Akademia Pana Kleksa
(dialup BBS with Internet access) considers me the local Linux guru.  (Maybe I
am.  I'd have though that CWRU would have more experts, but maybe they're all
running *BSD).  On the other hand, it's indirect, since all I really do as far
as distribution is leave the copies I ftp for myself in a public directory on
APK...

It's interesting that this comes up now, since Amancio Hasty (Mr. XS3) and I
are discussing the Linux Counter in another newsgroup as a sidelight to
someone asking Stacey Campbell of SCO whether Linux and *BSD numbers were
counted in their marklet penetration information :-)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
Do not taunt Happy Fun Coder.   (seen on the Net...)

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Subject: Re: JANA CD Problems.
From: jana@canrem.com (Jana)
Date: Thu,  9 Dec 93 23:16:00 -0400

Hello All,

  First of all, thanks a lot for flaming me on the net for Mr.Ernest.
You live in a country where my 800 number works fine, why cant you call
me to solve the problem. You dont respond to my E-mailes, well I recived
a response from you after 2 weeks ( that was yesterday ). Do you enjoy
flaming people on the net ? and hurting them.

 I will accept that we had some shiping problems of the CD's. We made a
mistake of shiping the CD's in plain envolp, and many people have got a
broken CD and I am sorry for that. I posted on the net several time that
if you have not got your CD, E-Mail us at linux@jana.com and I will put
a CD on mail. Many people did and all there CDs are on the way.  At
present I am sending out snail-mail to subscribers asking if thay have
got the CD.

  If you are a subscriber, you got  one of the lowest prices for the
CD's. for less then $10 a CD, you are geting Linux plus suport from
Morse Telecom, This suport alone is worth $20/month. When Morse Telecom
took over the distrubution of the CD's one think I asked them was that
thay have to suport my existing custermers and what  ever new Linux CD
thay make thay have to supply me with a 100's of CD's so I can send it
to my existing subscrbers. I am not running away with your money, I
never made a profit. No where on earth you are going to get such a good
price on linux CD. Also one of the sad thing is that over 200 linux
users who bought the CD promising that thay will pay us never paid or
returend the CD.

If you have paid for a subscription you will get your CDs. I am not
accecption any more subscriptions or sales, every thing is done my Morse
Telecom. As a subscriber you got one of the best deal and be happy
about it.

The net is good for flaming people, Every one flamed the guy who worked
on SLS without giving him credit for what he was doing for free, well
now we lost SLS. I tried to distrubute Linux on CD's for a very low
price, I did not wanted to make huge profit selling free sofware, but
now that low price is gone too. If you want to buy the CD now days
you have to buy it for $30.00. Some people who were flaming were not
even my subscribers, I E-mailed a guy and asked him whats his problem
and he told me that he was just having fun.

I have a 800 number which you can call. Flame me after you have talked
to me. Before you write some thing on the net, think ? you are not
just typing but you are hurting others.   I dont undertand why people
dont call on 800 numbers. Dont you know that these numbers are free.:-)

I am very thank full for my existing subscribers (expect few ) for
giving a start on my CD venture. eventhough I am not doing linux
any more I am doing very well on other CD market. Watch for our ads on
next weeks PC Mag for other CD products.

Bye

Jay
Jana Publishing

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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: 9 Dec 1993 20:23:56 GMT

Ce brave Carl Boernecke ecrit:

> I don't like your benchmark!  Waaaahhh!  Took a total of 4109
> seconds on my 386/33 (without 387) and 8 MB of RAM.  Yes, the

Yes. I tried it on my 486/33 8Mb RAM 8Mb swap, Linux 0.99pl14, AND RUNNING
X11 and a few Xterm's.  This is a common situation when running programs.

The machine seemed to be stopped !
I had to reboot after 45 minutes, could not wait more than that whitout
being able to move the mouse or type a character :-((

(Without X, the bench worked fine and printed 73 seconds ).

I dialed a FreeBSD machine, to try the same test. The program compiled
fine, but it does not work: core dump.

We all know that this bench is not a real benchmark, from the programmer
point of view. But programs like that may exist. In this case, let's
imagine what an END USER could say:

                It works fast on Sun,AIX, etc...
                Linux hangs on it, Linux is broken.
                The program core dumps on FreeBSD, the program is broken.
                
                
As I'm not an end-user, I know that Linux is not broken, and I am very
happy whith it, since version 0.12. But I will hide this little piece of
code until I can buy more RAM :-)))

--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4.23 and ISO-8859-1 charset on Linux
Date: 9 Dec 1993 20:36:46 GMT

Ce brave Arjan de Vet ecrit:

> Did anybody succeed compiling Elm 2.4.23 in such a way that ISO-8859-1
> characters are properly displayed using the builtin+ viewer? less works OK
> as an ISO-8859-1 viewer, so the problem must be in the builtin+ viewer.


This is a common problem whith all versions of elm :-((
Here is the patch, it is not against pl23, but should work whith some offset:


diff -crN src/builtin.c.save src/builtin.c
*** src/builtin.c.save  Fri Apr  2 17:05:55 1993
--- src/builtin.c       Fri Apr  2 17:19:12 1993
***************
*** 128,137 ****
              iptr++;
              --ilen;
            }
!         } else if(isprint(*iptr & 0xff)) {    /* isprint requires int, mask to 8 bits to prevent sign ext. */
            *optr++ = *iptr++;                  /* printing character */
!           chars_output++;
!           --ilen;
          } else {                      /* non-white space control character */
            if(chars_output + 2 <= width) {
              *optr++ = '^';    
--- 128,137 ----
              iptr++;
              --ilen;
            }
!         } else if((isprint(*iptr & 0xff))||(*iptr<0)) {       /* isprint requires int, mask to 8 bits to prevent sign ext. */
            *optr++ = *iptr++;                  /* printing character */
!           chars_output++;                     /* or high ascii - supposed printable */
!           --ilen;                             /* fcb 2/4/93 */
          } else {                      /* non-white space control character */
            if(chars_output + 2 <= width) {
              *optr++ = '^';    
diff -crN src/curses.c.save src/curses.c
*** src/curses.c.save   Fri Apr  2 17:47:25 1993
--- src/curses.c        Fri Apr  2 17:53:20 1993
***************
*** 722,731 ****
  
        else {
          /* if some kind of non-printable character change to a '?' */
  #ifdef ASCII_CTYPE
!         if(!isascii(ch) || !isprint(ch))
  #else
!         if(!isprint(ch))
  #endif
            ch = '?';
  
--- 722,735 ----
  
        else {
          /* if some kind of non-printable character change to a '?' */
+         /* Nice and all, but does not allow printing of 8 bit characters
+          * so, if the char>127 (ie ASCII > 127), let's print it anyway.
+          * fcb 2/4/93
+          */
  #ifdef ASCII_CTYPE
!         if((!isascii(ch) || !isprint(ch))&&(ch<128))
  #else
!         if(!isprint(ch)&&(ch<128))
  #endif
            ch = '?';
  


--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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From: joel@rac4.wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Security
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 03:54:16 GMT

>|> this can be accomplished with current AMI bios' by setting a password to
>|> get into the bios and YOU set the bios to boot off of C: and ignore A:
>|> for booting.  Should be in the Advanced CMOS settings.
>|> 
>Hi folks,
>
>its really useless to upgrade the bios in order to get the bios protected
>since there is a DOS program called "amisetup". The program allows reading 
>and changing every entry in the CMOS-RAM very comfortabel, even the 
>password.
>
>Its availiable via ftp, for example on "ftp.Uni-Koeln.DE" under 
>"pc/msdos/dosutils/amise210.zip".

But it won't run under Linux.  If you set up your system such that
Linux is loaded upon bootup, no one has access to DOS to run amisetup.

-Joel
(joel@wam.umd.edu)
-- 
=============================================================================
|_|~~ Germany, Europe. 1943.    "The diameter of the bomb was 30 centimeters,
__|~| 16 Million DEAD.           and the diameter of its destruction, about 7
                                meters, and in it four killed and 11 wounded. 
 cnc  Bosnia, Europe. 1993.     And around these, in a larger circle of  pain
 cnc  HOW MANY MORE?          and time,  are scattered two  hospitals and one
                          cemetery.   But the young woman who was  buried  in
                    the place from where she came, at a distance of more than
             than 100 kilometers, enlarges the circle considerably.   And the 
      lonely man who is mourning her death in a distant  country incorporates
into the circle the whole world.  And I won't speak of the cry of the orphans
that reaches God's chair and from there makes the circle endless and godless."
=============================================================================
     Tell Clinton to stop the genocide:  president@whitehouse.gov

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From: greg@loose.apana.org.au (Greg Patten)
Subject: [Solved] LILO - can't boot DOS.
Date: 10 Dec 1993 15:43:05 +1100

Many thanks to those who replied (I hope I thanked you
all personally).

The problem was that I had an extra line in my /etc/lilo/config
file that called a loader. I'm not exactly sure why I put this
in but in all the configs I received from all the helpful netters
this line was not present so I removed it and voila! Now I can
boot DOS again.

Just incase someone is having the same problem the DOS portion
of my config file looks like:

----[rip]----
other = /dev/hda1
        label = dos
        table = /dev/hda
----[rip]----
whereas it used to have the line:
loader = /etc/lilo/any_d.b
under the table line. According to the docs if a loader is not specified
it uses chain.b which is apparently what I needed.

Now all I need is a reason to boot DOS and I might think about it.

Cheers and thanks again,
-- 
Greg Patten
greg@loose.apana.org.au

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
From: mirons@icarus.ci.net (Michael A. Irons)
Subject: How to nuke C.O.L without killing C.O.L.*
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1993 18:00:53 GMT


        This is C.O.L from my active file. It is used by the news
software to 'know' about all newsgroups. The last letter, as you note
is a 'y', which means that Yes you can post there. C.O.L.Annonuce has
a 'm' for Moderated (if a user posts here, please look up the email
address and send the post, as email, to there), The other available
option is ... you guessed it 'n' for No you can't post there. Another
easy way to get rid of it is to just delete the C.O.L line
altogeather, but news will complain when incoming news tries to get
deposited there. ie each and every post here from you would cause an
error no my machine, and it's come to my attention.

comp.os.linux 0003702 00930 y
comp.os.linux.admin 0000001955 00265 y
comp.os.linux.announce 000000459 00051 m
comp.os.linux.development 0000003024 00541 y
comp.os.linux.help 0000010168 00548 y
comp.os.linux.misc 0000004453 00892 y
-- 

                                Mike Irons

                        mirons@Icarus.CI.NET

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From: sej@mahogany141.cray.com (Stuart Johnson)
Subject: Re: HELP - *big* problem installing Slackware 1.1.0
Date: 1 Dec 93 21:37:44 GMT

I encountered similar difficulties installing SLS 1.03 onto a 25Mhz
'386.  Finally ended up using another motherboard I had earmarked for a
different application.  I'm going to try to install another 32-bit OS
(specifically OS2) on a system incorporating the first motherboard and
see if I have similar paging problems... :(
--
   -Stuart Johnson
    sej@cray.com

Standard disclaimer in effect.

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From: tphillip@cracker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Tony Phillips)
Subject: Test
Date: 8 Dec 93 09:19:56 GMT

Test, please ignore.

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From: tphillip@cracker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Tony Phillips)
Subject: Another test
Date: 8 Dec 93 09:23:31 GMT
Reply-To: tphillip@uk.oracle.com

Please ignore this message also, I'm trying to get my mail reader working
properly so I chose this [obsolete] group to minimise the impact!

Thanks

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From: tphillip@cracker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Tony Phillips)
Subject: This is the last test
Date: 8 Dec 93 09:37:37 GMT

I think I've just about sorted this out now,
this should be my last test post

thanks for your patience!
 
===================================
Tony Phillips, Case*Core, Oracle Uk
     tel:0932-872020 ext 2136
   email: tphillip@uk.oracle.com
===================================
   Postings are my own and don't  
   necessarily reflect the views
          of my employer
===================================

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From: grigoriu@bcarh5b4.bnr.ca (Tiberiu Grigoriu)
Subject: Re: sxpc question...
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 05:05:00 GMT

In article <2e0244$70e@crchh484.bnr.ca>, faurote@bnr.ca (Joe Faurote) writes:
|> 
|> O.K., I've read all the documents, compiled it on both ends, and I'm still
|> not able to get it to work correctly, more-than-likely because the naming
|> convention between Local, Remote, and Term ends is a little vague (at least
|> to me, anyways!).  I was wondering if anyone who has been successful with
|> sxpc would be kind enough to give just one example for the average user,
|> connecting from Linux to a workstation, running Linux and Xwindows at home,
|> using such conventions as "Linux end" and "Work end".
|> 
|> I appologize for my apparent stupidity, but I would definately appreciate
|> a hand-holding session with this one.
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Joe Faurote
|> 
|> -- 
|> *************************************************************************
|> * BNR, the company that I work for, does not support my idle ramblings. *
|> * The opposite, it goes without saying, is true as well.                *
|> *************************************************************************
|> * God watches us from a distance, but keeps us within throwing range.   * 
|> *************************************************************************
Hello Joe:

I'll forward to you a message i composed last week. If you still have problems send me a cocos.



Cheers,

Tibi

forward----------->

Hello:

I try to put all together. I assume that there is a compiled version for 
remote end (BNR).


A) linux end i did

o make INCLUDES=-I<where your X11/* files are installed> DEFINES=-DTERMCOMPRESS COBJ=<your term source directory>/compress.o

o make DEFINES=-DNOINETCONN


B) remote end (BNR)

o copy xconn.c from the sxpc to the term source director (i haven't done this 
  from the begining assuming xconn.c are the same, but they are NOT).
o backup your old txconn (you'll need it later, see note)
o make txconn

C) Start the connection

o linux end

        - sxpc local :0

o remote end

        - setenv XSERVERPATH /tmp/.X11-unix/X8
        - txconn (that one you just compiled)
        - setenv XCOMPGATEPORT 6000
        - setenv DISPLAY `sxpc remote _your_host_name:9` (9 or whatever txconn
                                                                returned)

That's it!



Note:

o better performances in speed for all x applications.
o frame maker doesn't work; error message cant't open display.
        - fix: use old txconn in setenv DISPLAY `hostname``txconn.old`


I hope this will help.


Tibi

-- 
 ________________________________________________________
| Remember, even if you win a    | Tiberiu Grigoriu      |
| rat race, you are still a rat. | grigoriu@bnr.ca       |
|                                | (613) 765-3606        |
|--------------------------------|-----------------------|
| BNR knows nothing about this email. They just log it!  |
 --------------------------------------------------------

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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Linux Consortium
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 06:19:39 GMT

In article <1993Dec10.032515.29938@henson.cc.wwu.edu> markline@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Mark Line) writes:
>wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:
>>You completely miss the point.  The problem is not publishing reviews.
>>The problem is giving pompous, official-looking "Stamps of Approval".
>
>Which is more pompous and official-looking, Stamps of Approval, as you
>call them, or real, live, screen-printed CD-ROMs sold for real money
>and containing the word 'Linux' on the medium, in the offline docs (if
>there are any), and in all associated press releases? I'd say it's
>pretty official-looking for a CD-ROM to have 'Linux' printed right on
>the disk, wouldn't you? 

Who cares? Linux isn't a trademark. The so-called "Linux Consortium"
isn't going to stop anyone from distributing CD-ROM's labelled as
such.

>Are Stamps of Approval pompous and official-looking? 

Yes. If you disagree, how about this: I'll start the Official Matt
Welsh Approval Rating. For each Linux distribution, I'll list the
O.M.W.A.R. in the Distribution-HOWTO, and other documents, for that
distribution. Would anyone take it seriously? Would you expect to see
"X-Matt-Welsh-Approval-Rating:" lines in the headers of postings to
c.o.l.a? 

Of course not. Why, then, would the "approval rating" from the ad hoc
"Linux Consortium" carry any more weight? Simply because more than one
person decides the approval rating? Or because the people in the LC
aren't idiots? (I suspect that some of them would be.) 

>Pompous? We can apply the same criterion as above. If the Stamps of
>Approval only *pretend* to represent high-quality information, then
>they're pompous. It would certainly not be pompous for them to do
>actually do so.

Yes, it would, because in defining "high-quality" you're being
pompous. I don't think that we can get 10 people in the Linux
development community to agree on what is "high quality" and what is
not. If you doubt it, take a look at any of the kernel-related mailing
lists, especially the NET channel. I've got quite a few archived
flamewars over issues as plainly simple as serial device naming
conventions. 

>As I've implied above: As long as people sell distributions with
>'Linux' written all over them, I think it is only fair to the LC's
>target audience to have Linux in the organization's name also. 

Bzzzt. Wrong. "Linux" happens to be the name of the software. When
stamping the CD-ROM with "Linux" you are identifying it as containing
the Linux software, which it is. However, in identifying a group of
people such as the "Linux Consortium", the name "Linux" refers to the
Linux community. An arbitrary group of people under the name "Linux
Consortium" certainly does not represent the whole of the Linux
community. 

Something more informal such as "Linux Distribution Review Team" would
make more sense, because it's not attempting to use Linux in reference
to the Linux community, but rather in reference to the Linux software.

At a side note, I would be offended if someone distributed a CD-ROM
containing the Linux software and didn't mark it as "Linux".
Yggdrasil's CD-ROM comes close, but includes "Linux" as the "L" in
"LGX". If companies were to distribute Linux on a CD-ROM called
"Throatwarbler Mangrove Labs CD-ROM", without the word "Linux" in the
title, it would seem that the distributors were claiming the software
on the CD-ROM to be their own. As long as "Linux" is in the title it
is obvious that the software on the CD-ROM is indeed "Linux" and is
therefore copyrighted by the many Linux developers.

>The bottom line of all this: Why should a group of people be able to
>form an organization to distribute Linux & Co. for money
>(official-looking and with occasional pomposity when the product is
>technially garbage), but not be able to form an organization to
>evaluate such distributions in an equally official-looking manner?

Because it's NOT official. I don't care how official it looks---"Linux
Labs" is a joke, and anyone who knows anything about Linux knows that
it is. You are suggesting that the proper way to counter with falsehood
is with falsehood, and I don't think that's the right course of action.
If someone is going to distribute "Linux Labs CD-ROM" in an
official-looking (yet unoffical) way, that is not mandate for you to
follow up with an equally unofficial "Linux Consortium" to do the
reviews. If you do, you're only adding to the facade.

mdw
-- 
"Do you want to be Finnish? Sure, we all do!"

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From: ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (Ajay Shah)
Subject: What scanner to buy?
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 05:51:14 GMT

I want to setup a Linux box with an attached SCSI scanner.

What is the class of options which I am restricted to?  Presumably
vendor-supplied scanner-control software will break.  What is the
Linux-software scene on scanning?  I don't need much user interface:
just the raw ability to say "take page" and (seperately) to display
a tiff file using X.

        -ans.
-- 
==============================================================================
Ajay Shah                                                  Work: 91-22-4300531
Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay               Fax:  91-22-4370558
ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in                                     Home: 91-22-6420584

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From: tif@hercules.elte.hu (Titusz Feher)
Subject: fax modems
Date: 8 Dec 93 17:52:58 GMT

Is there a program that could send & receive fax with a
MAXModem (RW9624) under Linux ?

Best,
 Titusz

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From: adam.husik@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (ADAM HUSIK)
Subject: More SLS Problems...
Date: 8 Dec 93 01:32:56 GMT


    I recieved a few responces about my dificulties with installing SLS.
They didn't help to much though, so I'll give my HD Details..
    When I run FDISK, I see...
    (after pressing 'P')

         Disk /dev/hda: 16 heads, 38 sectors, 684 cylinders
         Units = cylinders of 608 * 512 bytes

    Now, What I want to accomplish is the following. Have a 50 meg DOS
Partition(possibly HDA1), Have the REST (it's about a 200 meg drive) go
to linux, and some swap space.
    I have had great dificulty with using fdisk, mkfs, and MKEFS(also,
should I run MKFS, or MKEFS?). Could someone PLEASE E-MAil me a message
saying how to use fdisk to make these partitions, the commands for
mkfs(or mkefs), and then 'doinstall'(I want to install the whole package
including X-windows)? I would appreciate it VERY Much!
    Thanks in advance,

Adam Husik

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