Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #405
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Date:     Fri, 10 Dec 93 08:13:07 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #405, Volume #1                Fri, 10 Dec 93 08:13:07 EST

Contents:
  Re: Call for linux sources (Phillip Hardy)
  Re: how fast is linux? (Mr. Bassman)
  Re: Miranda 4 Linux (Kai Voigt)
  Re: Who is the typical Linux user? (Uppie)
  Re: DOSEMU0.49pl3 Released (Sergio Fanchiotti)
  Linux finds a nonexistant 387 (Olav Woelfelschneider)
  Trident8900c setup for 800x600? (Olav Woelfelschneider)
  <sys/param.h> BUG  (Jonny Farringdon)
  Re: Handbook 486 and Linux (Miguel Alvarez Blanco)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Markus Siegert)
  Re: OpenStep (Keith Mason)
  File manager for Linux? (John F Skoda)
  Linux rsh big raggedy hole (xeno@velcro.cis.temple.edu)
  Re: Security (Kai Petzke)
  Re: Who is the typical Linux user? (Kai Petzke)

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From: phillip@mserve.kiwi.gen.nz (Phillip Hardy)
Subject: Re: Call for linux sources
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1993 19:01:58 GMT

Andy Burnett (burnett@baldrick.cecer.army.mil) wrote:

:   I am starting up a linux ftp site, but I want to carry only sources (no
: bins) of packages that compile cleanly under linux.  If you have a
: favorite linux program and have the source for it, please upload it.  The
: site is topquark.cecer.army.mil:/pub/Linux.  You can upload into the
: pub/Linux/Incoming directory.  This machine is a 486/33 running pl14.  Let
: me know if you have any problems connecting or uploading & downloading.

and don't forget to post a note into comp.os.linux.anounce :) 
and hay send the guy a message too so we can see what you uploaded....
mmm now a friend of mine write a email billing program ill ask nicely
if i can distubute the source....

on a source related note...
any one got a working ytalk? mine die'ed with daenon errors when
i went from 0.99.pl13g (or something) to plq and is still dead on 0.99.14
:( please my users are crying out for it :)

good luck andy ill find some source and pop it up for you.

phill.


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From: bassman@hpbbi30.bbn.hp.com (Mr. Bassman)
Subject: Re: how fast is linux?
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 09:26:40 GMT

In article <2e5kea$3t1@soho.lunetix.de>, mm@lunetix.de (M. Mueller) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I'm using linux, but I must tell you it's not fast.
|> It's running on my computer since almost 15 months but it's still next to 
|> my desk. So a snake might be faster :-)

Well, I've got a 68040-based HP-UX workstation, and neither that, or our 486sx20
linux box have moved the slightest bit. I'm not impressed with either of them,
and I think it's poor that such a manufacturer who claims to sell quality
equipment can be allowed to get away with it. Mind you, my collegue's 68030
workstation has moved right across his desk, and that's supposed to be the very
bottom of the range. There's something they're just not telling us...

Mr. Bassman
Platform Services (UNIX)
Data Centre Services
Hewlett-Packard, Boeblingen, Germany
bassman@hpbbi30.bbn.hp.com

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From: kai@depeche.toppoint.de (Kai Voigt)
Subject: Re: Miranda 4 Linux
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 08:46:23 GMT

In <1993Dec8.131219.28254@odin.diku.dk> spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring) writes:

>Hello

>Does anyone know of a PD version of Miranda for Linux.

Miranda ist commercial software, you can't get it for free.

>If not how about a similar functional programming language 
>I have heard of a FPL called GOPHER for DOS, which should
>almost be identical to Miranda, but I cannot seem to find
>it anywhere

It's called "gofer", you should ask archie to locate it.

Kai
-- 
Kai Voigt, Werftstrasse 2, 24148 Kiel, Germany, +49 431 7297514
 Wer Gruenkohl isst, und dabei nicht einmal die Bratkartoffeln vor
 dem gruenen Sut zu retten versucht, isst sowieso auch kleine Kinder.
                                        Martin Rost

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From: juphoff@uppieland.async.vt.edu (Uppie)
Subject: Re: Who is the typical Linux user?
Date: 10 Dec 1993 09:46:51 GMT

cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters) writes:

>Wishful thinking, I'm afraid.  PCs sold today generally include MS-Dos
>(or a clone) and MS Windows as part of the kit and this is likely to
>continue into the indefinite future (most novice users will buy
>machines with a bunch of software preloaded) 

Not just novice users...you can't buy a damn PC anymore without
all kinds of DOS junk plopped on it from most companies.  (You can
request that they not include the stuff, but you won't get a nickel
off the price.)

>Non-technical DOS
>users will not switch to Linux unless there is some clear reason to do
>so and most won't see any such reason (I would guess most of them just
>want to run Quicken and TurboTax and games for the kiddies).

Quicken is actually a pretty nice program; it's the whole reason I got
dosemu running (it works great under it).

>Linux users will probably continue to fall into three main groups.

>1 - Programmers and hobbyists.

>2 - Students in computing related areas.

>3 - Technical users with scientific or technical backgrounds who
>    use workstations at work and want something similar at home
>    but don't want to pay for a RISC workstation.

Or scientific users who just can't afford workstations period, but need
to be able to run UNIX-only applications of one form or another for their
work.

--
Jeff Uphoff -- "Uppie"

uppieland.async.vt.edu will be no more at the end of this week--please send
all e-mail to:  juphoff@astro.phys.vt.edu

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From: fanchiot@dxcern.cern.ch (Sergio Fanchiotti)
Subject: Re: DOSEMU0.49pl3 Released
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 09:45:54 GMT

In <MUTS.93Dec8012523@compi.hobby.nl> muts@compi.hobby.nl (Peter Mutsaers) writes:

>I have a problem with pl3 which did not occur in pl2: when I switch to
>another console and back to a console running dos-emu, dos-emu
>freezes. When I do it again, the screen becomes dark and I have to
>reboot. I have an ET4000 video board.
>-- 
>_______________________________________________________________
>Peter Mutsaers, Bunnik (Ut), the Netherlands.

        A similar effect happens on dosemu 0.49pl3 with the VGA mode.
        The only difference is that the keyboard works and I can run
        exitemu of Ctrl-Alt-PgDn to get out. Haven't tried pl2.
        (runing Linux 0.99pl14)


        Saludos,
                ...Sergio

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From: wosch@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Olav Woelfelschneider)
Subject: Linux finds a nonexistant 387
Date: 10 Dec 1993 10:57:08 GMT


I've installed slackware 1.1.0 on a 386DX40 8MB with cyrix cpu and NO 387.
Strangely, the kernel finds a 387 when booting up, it tells something like:

Checking fpu.... ok, fpu bound to irq 13 ...   (This is not the exact text,
                                                 but approx...)

Now, I'm using XFree2.0 and lots of software refuses to work, e.g. the xclock
draws strange patterns instead of a circle, other's do coredumps....

Can I disable the FPU check in the Kernel? I haven't found any switch while
doing a make config, I can only disable the fpu-emulator code.


thanks in advance,
-- 
/===================================================\
| Olav Woelfelschneider                             |
| wosch@rbg.informatik.th.darmstadt.de              |
+---------------------------------------------------+
| Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.   |
|                             Wizard Of Oz          |
\===================================================/


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From: wosch@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Olav Woelfelschneider)
Subject: Trident8900c setup for 800x600?
Date: 10 Dec 1993 10:59:34 GMT


I've a Trident8900c and tried the Xconf.trident8900c from the current
slackware release. My monitor does only a stable display with 640x480,
though I was even able to display 1024x768i with ms-windoze.
Has anyone a better fitting setup for this vga board?

Thanks in advance,
-- 
/===================================================\
| Olav Woelfelschneider                             |
| wosch@rbg.informatik.th.darmstadt.de              |
+---------------------------------------------------+
| Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.   |
|                             Wizard Of Oz          |
\===================================================/


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From: ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk (Jonny Farringdon)
Subject: <sys/param.h> BUG 
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 11:15:06 GMT
Reply-To: ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk

I don't know who to send a bug report to. If this is the right place please
do not let me know ;-)

Linux 0.99pl13 setup from SlackWare 1.1.0

The include file

/usr/include/sys/param.h

defined MAXPATHLEN as the *string* PATH_MAX

Rather than an integer value (like 512?). Clearly PATH_MAX should have had a
value, but is doesn't (at least in mine) so the string gets substuted
instead.

Discovered this when compiling the Stutgard Neural Net Simulator (billed as
compiling Under Linux for 386 machines). Jonny.
--
Dept of Psychology, UCL, London. UK. WC1E 6BT
Tel: (+44) 71 387 7050 x5418
     (+44) 71 380 7777 direct tone-dial 5418
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ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk



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Subject: Re: Handbook 486 and Linux
From: miguel@pinon.ccu.uniovi.es (Miguel Alvarez Blanco)
Date: 10 Dec 93 11:36:30 +0100

David Wright (dmw@prism1.prism1.com) wrote:
: >>>>> "MAD" == Mark A Davis <mark@taylor.wyvern.com> writes:

:       I think the Slackware method is ideal. Supply just about EVERYTHING
: on the distribution diskettes, but make it VERY easy to pick & choose what to
: install during installation. This is what I do to fit Slackware onto a 90mb
: hard drive. That's right. I have X, the C compiler, and other stuff installed
: on a 90mb HD, of which I have 8mb of swap, with about 10mb free right now.
: About the only other thing I would like in this setup is Emacs, but I can't
: afford the space right now.

   Hey, take a look to Slackware's BETA 1.1.1 release, it's very well
organized. You have disks set a (3, base system), n (networking), x (5, base
X system), d (development), xap (X applications), xd (X development), ...
and so on. You can make your system easily fitt in 60 Mb with X, a, xap, d
series (it's my system at home). It also has the new directory structure
standard. Try it!

--
     Miguel Alvarez Blanco           "All that is gold does not glitter,
miguel@hobbit.quimica.uniovi.es      not all those who wander are lost."
  miguel@pinon.ccu.uniovi.es                   Bilbo Baggins.

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 11:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: a0054@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Markus Siegert)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: 10 Dec 1993 12:05:39 GMT

Keith Smith (keith@ksmith.com) wrote:
:      Computer                             Time spent
: 
: 486DX2-66 EISA/VL 16Mb RAM
: running Linux (Slackware 1.1.0).
: gcc compiler.
: Single user                               27 sec.
: 
: Uh, Uh,  No way,  I got 46 seconds under Linux, and SCO, on a 486DX2/66
: E/V with 20MB/12MB RAM.  There is no way this box runs almost TWICE as
: fast as TWO different machines of mine, with different brand
: motherboards.

Why not? I got:

markus@siegsys: time small_bench
time=36
real       36.0
user       36.0
sys         0.1

Machine:
486-DX50 16MB Opti-Eisa-Chipset gcc -O2
running Linux 0.99p13r 

And: 27 sec * (66.7 / 50) = 36.0 sec 

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programm,comp.sys.next.software
From: keith@netcom.com (Keith Mason)
Subject: Re: OpenStep
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 11:45:41 GMT

In article <2ctds8$jch@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) writes:
>In June 1994 NeXT will release "OpenStep" to the public domain
>This will be a full and open version of their operating system
>interface, with the full object heirarchy, the Interface
>Builder, and the underlying messaging system.  
>
>Also, how about a version of OpenStep for linux?
>Comments, linux developers?

I must let you all know that a "GNU" implementation of OpenStep is in the
works, and has been for a few months now.

It started from two directions: One, some people at the Stanford Linear
Accelerator Center needed to be able to compile their NeXTSTEP apps on
a other machines.  They wrote quite a bit of their code to make a NeXT-
like API on top of Motif.  More beyond this, I really shouldn't say, as
that wasn't my project.  Two, I decided that I'd like to be able to create
programs in a NeXT environment, but couldn't afford the NeXT machine OR
their software for Intel machines (or the special hardware they require
for the Intel machines).  So I decided to start drawing up my own API.

Since the announcement of OpenStep, our two teams have come together,
somewhat.  SLAC agreed to let what they created into GNU, and my idea
was to make my software GNU all along.  While their are still differences
in the implementation details between our groups, I believe we can
still create the "GnuStep" everyone here would like to see in a reasonably
short period of time...

The current implementation is still rather flakey, but IT DOES WORK, kinda.
The idea, at the moment is to fix up what we already have to make it
true OpenStep.  The current phase is to isolate the Motif components of
SLAC's library, and set the whole thing up so that Objective-C "categories"
can be used to run OpenStep on a variety of windowing systems.  The
first windowing system we are supporting will, of course, be X.  Motif
support may be done at the same time, although Motif is being looked
down upon the the GNU gods (can't say I disagree!).

There has been a call for help placed in the GNU Objective-C mailing
list, and it's now being placed here.  It would be a tremendous help for
those out there to be willing to spend some time to "fix" what we already
have (isolating Motif), and to build the remaining necessary components.
If all of you out there really mean what you say, that you'd love to see
OpenStep for your machine (even in a somewhat crippled implementation),
let me know!  The plan is being layed out, and WE NEED HELP!

The current SLAC implementation is available at

        ftp.slac.stanford.edu:pub/sources/objcX-0.5.tar.gz

Thank you.

  -- Keith
--
Keith Mason
send all replies to: keith@netcom.com

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From: dsc3jfs@imc10 (John F Skoda)
Subject: File manager for Linux?
Date: 8 Dec 93 17:00:31 GMT


  Hi folks,
        I have a dumb question, I've looked through the FAQ's for linux
 and X and I can't seem to find a file manager application like Filemgr
 on a Sun....  Is there such an animal?

--
==============================================================================
-- John F Skoda                            | I am possessed by Demons, demons 
-- electronic learning facilitators, inc.  | who recently opened the door for
-- Bethesda, MD                            | a woman with too many parcels,
-- dsc3jfs@imc10.med.navy.mil              | But DEMONS none the less....
-- dsc3jfs@imc30.med.navy.mil              |                       -TKITH 
==============================================================================
with DISCLAIMER_PACKAGE;

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From: xeno@velcro.cis.temple.edu
Subject: Linux rsh big raggedy hole
Date: 8 Dec 93 18:44:30 GMT


from what i understand that is a genereic sls bug, i do not think it has anything to do
with the mcc, however i could be wrong...
just adding my own two cents !!! :)
christopher k neitzert                  xeno@velcro.cis.temple.edu
-all standard disclaimers apply--

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From: wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Security
Date: 10 Dec 1993 12:53:04 GMT

In <2e8lh7$gm1@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ig25@fg30.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) writes:

>Next question: how are you going to make sure that nobody exchanges
>the BIOS for another one, if they have physical access to the machine?
>It's marginally less likely that somebody has a hard disk with a
>SUN bootstrap in his pocket than a few BIOS chips, I agree ;-)

If people can open your computer, they have the full freedom of
hacking.  A system, which is not locked, is not secure.  Possibilites
include:

- short circuit the battery for a second, so it will delete the
  CMOS RAM.
- replace the BIOS ROM, or BIOS RAM.
- disconnect the harddrive, so BIOS will try to boot from floppy,
  then modify the BIOS memory from DOS.
- connect your own harddrive instead (even if the track/sectors/head
  information in BIOS is wrong, access to ESDI disks should work)!
--
Kai
wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de
Advertisement by Microsoft in a well-known German magazine:
        If you don't like our programmes, then make your own ones.
However, they expect you to use Microsoft products for this -:)

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From: wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Who is the typical Linux user?
Date: 10 Dec 1993 13:02:55 GMT

In <2e9gib$c7q@solaris.cc.vt.edu> juphoff@uppieland.async.vt.edu (Uppie) writes:

>cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters) writes:

>>Wishful thinking, I'm afraid.  PCs sold today generally include MS-Dos
>>(or a clone) and MS Windows as part of the kit and this is likely to
>>continue into the indefinite future (most novice users will buy
>>machines with a bunch of software preloaded) 

>Not just novice users...you can't buy a damn PC anymore without
>all kinds of DOS junk plopped on it from most companies.  (You can
>request that they not include the stuff, but you won't get a nickel
>off the price.)

Yes, and hard disks get bigger and bigger.  Today, they make
one big 350 MB partition, and put DOS and Windog on it.  I
expect, that soon, someone will start to format these big
drives into two partitions, say 150 MB and 200 MB, and tell
people, that they can use the second partition for the OS of
their choice - OS/2, Windows NT, SCO, ...

But then, it is only a small step left to put one of free
*nixes on that partition - as an extra, unsopperted "gift".
--
Kai
wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de
Advertisement by Microsoft in a well-known German magazine:
        If you don't like our programmes, then make your own ones.
However, they expect you to use Microsoft products for this -:)

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