Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #408
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Fri, 10 Dec 93 23:13:09 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #408, Volume #1                Fri, 10 Dec 93 23:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: Call for linux sources (Harald Milz)
  Re: _Real_ hackers ... (Grant Edwards)
  Re: _Real_ hackers ... (Roger Books)
  Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux (Eckehard Stolz)
  Any visual debuggers ? (Dennis Director)
  Re: <sys/param.h> BUG  (H.J. Lu)
  How much HD space: Linux, X, Motif (Juan A. Varela F.)
  Re: _Real_ hackers ... (Chris Higgins - System Administrator)
  Re: Possible bug 0.99pl13/XFree86 2.0 + CTWM 3.0 (Elan Feingold)
  Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux (Rafal Maszkowski)
  Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux (Grant Edwards)
  Re: Who is the typical Linux user? (Larry Doolittle)
  Compiling problems
  Re: How to nuke C.O.L without killing C.O.L.* (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Who is the typical Linux user? (David Alan Black)
  Re: JANA CD Problems. (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: Motif for Linux (Geoff Sim)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Dan Hildebrand)
  Re: Current rootdisk distribution? (David Alan Black)
  Re: GUS Sound Card - Anyone know... (Evmorfopoulos Dimitris)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Sam Howard)

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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Call for linux sources
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 06:54:55 GMT
Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de

Andy Burnett (burnett@baldrick.cecer.army.mil) wrote:

: >   I am starting up a linux ftp site, but I want to carry only sources (no
: > bins) of packages that compile cleanly under linux.  If you have a
: > favorite linux program and have the source for it, please upload it.  The
: > site is topquark.cecer.army.mil:/pub/Linux.  You can upload into the
: > pub/Linux/Incoming directory.  This machine is a 486/33 running pl14.  Let
: > me know if you have any problems connecting or uploading & downloading.

You're going to re-invent the wheel. tsx-11 appears to be the standard
'linux-source-holder' where everybody loads his software to. You might want
to consider mirroring the respective tsx-11 and sunsite directories instead. 

As you're a mil site: Aren't you afraid that this server will be closed by
your higher echelons some time, as it happened with simtel? Or is it a private
computer being connected to a mil network? In the latter case, you would be 
using military resources and installations as well. 

Ciao,
hm

-- 
Harald Milz (hm@seneca.ix.de)

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From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: _Real_ hackers ...
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 17:56:04 GMT

Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:

: If you're really, *really* good, you use cat.  Both to read *and* to write.
: :-) :-) :-)

You guys use _terminals_?  Wow, what a bunch of namby-pamby wimps.
Real hackers use _real_ computers.  The kind with rows of toggle
switches and lights on the front panel.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I'm pretending I'm
Rosemount Inc.                                |pulling in a TROUT!  Am I
                                              |doing it correctly??
grante@rosemount.com                          |

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From: books@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: Re: _Real_ hackers ...
Date: 10 Dec 1993 18:56:03 GMT

Grant Edwards (grante@hydro.rosemount.com) wrote:

: You guys use _terminals_?  Wow, what a bunch of namby-pamby wimps.
: Real hackers use _real_ computers.  The kind with rows of toggle
: switches and lights on the front panel.

Hey wait, I wrote programs like this when I was in the Navy.  The newer
machine had a toggle to increment the address.  The old one required
punching the addresses into a set of pushbutton lights/switches every
time.  (The older one predated IC's.)

Roger
--
For e-mail use books@nucmar.physics.fsu.edu
/****************************************************************************
 *             I love my country, but I fear my government.                 *
 *      When guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns.         *
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From: stolz@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Eckehard Stolz)
Subject: Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 19:14:42 GMT


Hi !

A comment I wanted to send from germany ! There are some people (Stefan Henze and
M. Mueller - sorry, I have the book at home) who published a "Linux
Anwenderhandbuch"

It was published by LunetixSoftfair in Berlin under the GNU GPL (yes ! a printed
book !) This means you can buy the book for DM 39,-- (around $25) or you can
print it out yourself because a TeX (or DVI or PS ?) file was made public via ftp
too !

And the second version is allready sold out !!!! In my favorite book-store, they
sold 80 books alone ! So you can estimate, how many it has been all over germany
! (I think more than 4000)

I emailed the authors already to get accurate numbers, if someone is interested,
please email me !

cu

Eckehard Stolz

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From: dennis@cauchy.math.nwu.edu (Dennis Director)
Subject: Any visual debuggers ?
Date: 10 Dec 1993 19:27:44 GMT

It really hurts me to say this, but after a few
years of being forced to live in the DOS world,
I got spoiled by using Microsoft/Borland type
visual symbolic debuggers for C developement.

Now that I am back to Unix (Linux), I find gdb
excellent as it is, slow to use compared to
fancy debuggers available in the DOS world.

Is there anything like this for X, even already
working on Linux?  How about a Tk something?
Thanks for any assitance,  dennis@math.nwu.edu



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From: hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: <sys/param.h> BUG 
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 19:04:23 GMT

In article <1993Dec10.111506.25078@ucl.ac.uk>, ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk (Jonny Farringdon) writes:
|> I don't know who to send a bug report to. If this is the right place please
|> do not let me know ;-)
|> 
|> Linux 0.99pl13 setup from SlackWare 1.1.0
|> 
|> The include file
|> 
|> /usr/include/sys/param.h
|> 
|> defined MAXPATHLEN as the *string* PATH_MAX
|> 
|> Rather than an integer value (like 512?). Clearly PATH_MAX should have had a
|> value, but is doesn't (at least in mine) so the string gets substuted
|> instead.
|> 

You have a very strange structure.

$ echo "#include <sys/param.h>" > p.c
$ gcc -M p.c
p.o : p.c /usr/include/sys/param.h /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.5.6/include/limits.h \
  /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.5.6/include/syslimits.h /usr/include/limits.h \
  /usr/include/features.h /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h \
  /usr/include/posix1_lim.h /usr/include/linux/limits.h \
  /usr/include/posix2_lim.h /usr/include/linux/param.h
$ grep PATH_MAX /usr/include/linux/limits.h
#define PATH_MAX        1024    /* # chars in a path name */

H.J.

|> Discovered this when compiling the Stutgard Neural Net Simulator (billed as
|> compiling Under Linux for 386 machines). Jonny.
|> --
|> Dept of Psychology, UCL, London. UK. WC1E 6BT
|> Tel: (+44) 71 387 7050 x5418
|>      (+44) 71 380 7777 direct tone-dial 5418
|> Fax: (+44) 71 436 4276
|> j.farringdon@psychol.ucl.ac.uk
|> ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk
|> 
|> 

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 11:57:33 CST
From: Juan A. Varela F. <U35334@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: How much HD space: Linux, X, Motif

Hi|  If I am to install Linux with X Window and eventually Motif, how big
the partition I make for it should be?  I still will need to have space
for other programs and files.  How big should I make the swap partition for
such an installation?  Thanks in advance for any help you could give me in
this.

*  Juan A. Varela F.                                U35334@UICVM.UIC.EDU      *
*  University of Illinois at Chicago                72070.3046@COMPUSERVE.COM *
*                                                  TELEPHONE (708)771-9015    *
*  Te quiero flor de los mares,                          FAX (708)771-9049    *
*  verte libre y soberana!                                                    *

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From: chris@csvax1.ucc.ie (Chris Higgins - System Administrator)
Subject: Re: _Real_ hackers ...
Reply-To: chris@csvax1.ucc.ie
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 19:24:48 GMT

In article <1993Dec10.175604.20518@rosevax.rosemount.com>, grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
>Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
>
>: If you're really, *really* good, you use cat.  Both to read *and* to write.
>: :-) :-) :-)
>
>You guys use _terminals_?  Wow, what a bunch of namby-pamby wimps.
>Real hackers use _real_ computers.  The kind with rows of toggle
>switches and lights on the front panel.

Actually, recently I *had* to edit a file, to remove several lines without 
using *any* editors. So I had to use head, tail and cat to do my modifying.. 

Real funny.

>
>--
>Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I'm pretending I'm
>Rosemount Inc.                                |pulling in a TROUT!  Am I
>                                              |doing it correctly??
>grante@rosemount.com                          |

                                                  Chris.

+ J.C. Higgins,    + Chris@csvax1.ucc.ie      + If you love something, set it +
+ VMS Sys. Admin,  + Chris@cs.ucc.ie (broken) + free. If it doesn't come back +
+ Comp.Sc.Dept.    + Chris@odyssey.ucc.ie     + to you, hunt it down and      +
+ UCC, Ireland     + C.Higgins@bureau.ucc.ie  + KILL it.                      +

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From: elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu (Elan Feingold)
Subject: Re: Possible bug 0.99pl13/XFree86 2.0 + CTWM 3.0
Date: 10 Dec 1993 20:30:27 GMT
Reply-To: elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu (Elan Feingold)


>I left my system on for three days, after second day I noticed that xterms
>were mysteriously dying.

Oops.  I'm an idiot :)  I am using tcsh with AUTOLOGOUT set...  Sorry to
waste bandwidth.

elan

--
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|  Elan Feingold       |                                       |
|  CS/EE Depts.        |                          |
|  Cornell University  |     ( .sig currently under construction )     |
|  Ithaca NY 14850     |                        |
===========================================================================

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From: rzm@oso.chalmers.se (Rafal Maszkowski)
Subject: Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 20:43:15 GMT

Kai Petzke (wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de) wrote:
: For commercial software, estimates go, that there are ten illegal
: copies for each legal and paid-for copy.  Why shouldn't Linux have
: the same, where copying is *legal*?  Very likely, there are 10000*10
: = 100 000 LGX users around, plus the same number of SLS users, plus
: the same number of Slackware users!
: But most of them do not have internet access.  Most of them are not
: able to register to the Linux counter.

Registration thru BBS-es would help.

R.
--
Rafal Maszkowski rzm@oso.chalmers.se rzm@mat.torun.edu.pl <-finger for public
snail: Omgangen 464-82, 412-80 Goteborg, Sweden; tel: +46-31-7780831      key
   Opinia publiczna powinna byc zaalarmowana swoim nieistnieniem - S.J.Lec

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From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 19:19:18 GMT

David Alan Black (dblack@pilot.njin.net) wrote:

: But it's an interesting question.  Not that this is a scientifically correct
: way to conduct a survey, but....  have people had the experience of giving
: Linux to non-internet-connected friends, and having them actually install
: and use it?  Just curious.

I'm not connected to Internet and have installed and used two LGX
Linux systems.  But, if I didn't have dial-up access to a friends
account on an Internet-connected machine, I don't think I could have
gotten things going.

Life off the net is brutish and unpleasent.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Mary Tyler Moore's
Rosemount Inc.                                |SEVENTH HUSBAND is wearing my
                                              |DACRON TANK TOP in a cheap
grante@rosemount.com                          |hotel in HONOLULU!

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From: doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: Who is the typical Linux user?
Reply-To: doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 21:31:24 GMT

In article <CFLATTER.93Dec9162110@laphroaig.aoc.nrao.edu>,
cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters) writes:

> [ .. stuff deleted .. ]  Non-technical DOS
> users will not switch to Linux unless there is some clear reason to do
> so and most won't see any such reason (I would guess most of them just
> want to run Quicken and TurboTax and games for the kiddies).  Pretty
> much the same argument will hold for many commercial DOS/Windows users
> (with the additional argument that they may have already made fairly
> large investment in DOS/Windows software).

There is a glitch in what you are saying.  You assume that non-technical
people can run DOS/Windows without help from the technical people.  My
experience is that such people *always* need help, no matter how simple
the computer (same folks whose VCR is flashing 12:00 all the time).
If all the technical people abandon DOS (as I have), nobody is left
minding the shop.  DOS installations will run worse and worse (not that
they were all that good in the first place), and there will be real
motiviation to shift to a platform that is *supported*.  This is in
the sense that some guy down the hall can stop by for a minute to tell
you why your spreadsheet won't print.  Maybe the paper jammed, or maybe
the permissions on /etc/printcap got messed up.  How is a MicroShaft
support engineer on the other end of a 900 number going to figure *that*
one out?

I predict that the long term future for Linux derived and influenced
software is rosy.  Heck, we might even *call* it Linux, just like the
name Fortran stuck around for many generations and rebirths of of the 
language.

> Linux users will probably continue to fall into three main groups.
> 
> 1 - Programmers and hobbyists.
> 
> 2 - Students in computing related areas.
> 
> 3 - Technical users with scientific or technical backgrounds who
>     use workstations at work and want something similar at home
>     but don't want to pay for a RISC workstation.

Or those like me who don't even want to pay for that RISC workstation
for their *work* machine, and find a double advantage to using exactly
the same software at home and work.

> There will be a few commercial users (I have heard of an outfit
> using Linux boxes to offer a commercial Internet service) but
> probably not that many.

This number will take off as soon as Linux deserves and gets the
repuation for having rock-solid networking and DOS emulation.
I hope that is only another month or two.

                   - Larry Doolittle   doolittle@cebaf.gov


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From: donaldlf@donaldlf ()
Subject: Compiling problems
Date: 10 Dec 1993 22:46:37 GMT

I am trying to compile kterm and am getting numerous error messages.
The last two I still seem to have is kterm looks for a structure
member _file in structure FILE defined in stdio.h.

The second problem is it trys to use a routine called ttyslot.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Please mail responses to donaldlf@cs.rose-hulman.edu

Thank You
Leslie Donaldson


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: How to nuke C.O.L without killing C.O.L.*
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 23:45:20 GMT

In article <2ea4fv$lmh@soc2.pop.psu.edu>, barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) says:
+---------------
| In article <CHs4pH.FyE@icarus.ci.net>,
| Michael A. Irons <mirons@icarus.ci.net> wrote:
| >option is ... you guessed it 'n' for No you can't post there. Another
| >easy way to get rid of it is to just delete the C.O.L line
| >altogeather, but news will complain when incoming news tries to get
| >deposited there.
| 
| No problem.  It's a normal occurance in Usenet.
+--------------

If you're running C news, change the "y" to "x".  C news will simply drop the
articles into the bit-bucket.

Or, do what I did:

comp.os.linux 0000000000 00000 =comp.os.linux.misc

(e.g. redirect all articles to comp.os.linux.misc)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
Do not taunt Happy Fun Coder.   (seen on the Net...)

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From: dblack@pilot.njin.net (David Alan Black)
Subject: Re: Who is the typical Linux user?
Date: 10 Dec 93 22:26:55 GMT

phil@fylz.com (Phil Hughes LJ Editor) writes:

>Our publisher is attempting to put together a profile of a typical
>Linux user.  I keep attempting to tell him there is no such thing
>as a typical one.  Below is my guess at what the Linux community
>looks like today and what it will look like in a year or two.  I would
>be real interested in either hearing a confirmation of my guess or
>any ideas why I am on the wrong track.  In particular, if you are
>way out of my profile guess I would like to hear about you.

Phil, I think your instincts are better than your publisher's.

Not only is there no such thing a typical Linux user.  Beyond that, it
is WORSE THAN USELESS to try to define one.  The whole idea of "the
typical [consumer | viewer | user | ... ]" is an expedient which allows
advertisers, marketers, and ratings people to believe that they are
talking about something.  Mind you, many of them realize that they are
in fact not talking about anything.  But they have to go through the
motions, because that's how it works.

It would be nice to try to postpone (forever?) the day when we have
to describe the Linux community (if it even is that :-) in fossilizing,
rigid terms from the world of second-hand social science.  The amazing 
thing about Linux is that its path through the world cannot, in fact,
be entirely followed.  There are always surprises.  Let's revel in those
for a while, yet, even if it means giving up the comfort of distilling
reality down into the non-reality of the "typical".   

>Today I see the majority of Linux users as people who have at least
>some Unix experience.  Most are fairly technical and ranging in
>background from students to Unix systems programmers.  Many of
>these people are work with a "real" Unix system at work and have
>a Linux box at home.  And some of those people are attempting to
>convince people at work that Linux would be a reasonable alternative
>to a commercial system for some work-related tasks.  The remainder
>of this population is the MS-DOS hacker that has seen Linux as
>a chance to run a real operating system without even having to
>change computers.

Your description is perfectly articulate and to the point.  My problem
is that it runs the risk of becoming (via use by a publisher and/or
publication) a kind of mold for forming opinions about Linux users, for
people judging themselves as Linux users ("am I 'different' from the
'typical' user?  how did they get promoted to 'typical'?  does my
interaction with Linux count for less than theirs?" etc.), and for 
decision-making on the part of prospective Linux users.  

I suppose my argument romanticizes the non-professional-goal-oriented
use of Linux (which is largely what gets trimmed away in the search
for the typical, at least typically :-)  but I accept criticism to
that effect in advance, and without flinching.


David Black
dblack@pilot.njin.net


        Steed: Very good, Mrs. Peel.  Nose or palatte?
        Mrs. Peel: Eyes.  I read the label.

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From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: JANA CD Problems.
Date: 10 Dec 93 20:56:31 GMT

In article <60.3733.5780.0N18DC0C@canrem.com> jana@canrem.com (Jana) writes:
>Hello All,
>
>  If you are a subscriber, you got  one of the lowest prices for the
>CD's. for less then $10 a CD, you are geting Linux plus suport from
>Morse Telecom, This suport alone is worth $20/month. When Morse Telecom
>took over the distrubution of the CD's one think I asked them was that
>thay have to suport my existing custermers and what  ever new Linux CD
>thay make thay have to supply me with a 100's of CD's so I can send it
>to my existing subscrbers. I am not running away with your money, I
>never made a profit. No where on earth you are going to get such a good
>price on linux CD. Also one of the sad thing is that over 200 linux
>users who bought the CD promising that thay will pay us never paid or
>returend the CD.

I guess the bussiness lesson to be learned is people prefere to pay
more for reasonable service.  I immagin most people long since gave
up on your 1-800 number as 99% of the time it was busy, and 99% of
the time your e-mail address failed to work.  Hense leaving "flames"
for the net.  I can't speak of Mr. Everett, but I know my messages
where not intended as flames, but truefull messages to make sure
people knew what to expect.  To be honest, when I subscribed at the
rate of $10 per CD, I expected to recieve 3 or 4 before seeing a
bankrupt notice.  If I see more, I will be overjoyed.  However, since
I figure most people expect 100% of what they payed for irregardless
of how riddiculusly low your prices are I'm not about to express 
this over the net.  What I didn't expect was having so many problems
recieving CD's before you ran yourself out of bussiness with virtually
zero profit pricing.

So while I might scream and shout if the CD you just tried re-mailing
doesn't arrive, or the one after that doesn't arrive try not to take
it personally.  I really do wish you the best of luck, and would be 
very pleased if sometime in the future I here someone talking about
how they are recieving an excellent NeXT CD from a company called 
JANA.  To be honest, I suspect part of the problem is you are not
using a commercial mailing program.  i.e. Most commercial companies
will endup not only with the zip code, but the extended zip if I 
just tell the the city, street, and state.  First class mail will
arrive just fine without an extended ZIP, but if there is even 
just the slightest misprint in the address of third class mail
and there is no extended zip, the post office in many cities 
will not deliver the mail, or send it back.

>If you have paid for a subscription you will get your CDs. I am not
>accecption any more subscriptions or sales, every thing is done my Morse
>Telecom. As a subscriber you got one of the best deal and be happy
>about it.

As I said, I'll be happy when I don't have to hound for things (that
is alot of stress and time which is more valuable to me than money).

>The net is good for flaming people, Every one flamed the guy who worked
>on SLS without giving him credit for what he was doing for free, well
>now we lost SLS. I tried to distrubute Linux on CD's for a very low
>price, I did not wanted to make huge profit selling free sofware, but
>now that low price is gone too. If you want to buy the CD now days
>you have to buy it for $30.00. Some people who were flaming were not
>even my subscribers, I E-mailed a guy and asked him whats his problem
>and he told me that he was just having fun.

Actually I thought Peter was still planning a new release sometime
this month.  That would be too bad if he has given up.  While I 
agree right now Slackware is better than SLS, that is only because:
  1. Slackware was built ontop of SLS.
  2. Slackware has been updated more recently.
Even so, SLS still has the advantage of taking up much less disk
space than Slackware for a nearly equivalent installation.  To be 
honest I think it would be much better for the Linux community 
if both installations continued to evolve.

>Jay
                        Take care,
                                   Bill



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From: geoff@amexet.demon.co.uk (Geoff Sim)
Subject: Re: Motif for Linux
Date: 8 Dec 93 15:18:37 GMT
Reply-To: geoff@amexet.demon.co.uk

In article <1993Dec6.230648.13185@dmi.stevens-tech.edu> arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu writes:

> 
> Hi !
> 
> Could someone please send me the place from where I
> can get Motif for Linux from ?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Arifi
> 

Me too. All I have found so far is a C++ wrapper.

Geoff
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* geoff@amexet.demon.co.uk *
* gsim@cix.compulink.co.uk *
* Geoff Sim 2:441/85.100   *
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.vms,comp.benchmarks
From: danh@quantum.qnx.com (Dan Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 15:29:00 GMT

In article <1993Dec8.154411.16190@ornl.gov>,
Dave Sill <de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov> wrote:
>In article <1993Dec7.031614.16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>>- - - - - - - - Cut here - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>#include <stdio.h>
>>#include <math.h>
>>#include <time.h>
>>main()
>>{
>>double  x,y[1000000];
>>int     i;
>>time_t  t;
>>
>>time(&t);
>>for (i=0;i<1000000;i++)
>>        {
>>        x=11.0+(33.5*i)*(33.5*i);
>>        y[i]=(sin(3.1*i)+cos(5.1*i))*sqrt(x+exp(3.14*log(x+i)));
>>        }
>>printf("time=%d\n",time(0)-t);
>>}
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - Cut here - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>I had to make the declaration of y global to prevent a segmentation
>violation on the DEC Alpha I ran it on.

I used a -N 9000K option for QNX 4.2 to allow sufficient stack space.

>>     Computer                             Time spent
>>
>>486DX2-66 EISA/VL 16Mb RAM
>>Single user                               27 sec.
>>
>>SUN Sparc-2 with >= 16 Mb RAM
>>Single user                               69 sec.
>>
>>DEC VAX with ALPHA chip
>>With quite a few users on                 69 sec.
>>
>>SUN-4
>>Single user                               73 sec.
>>
>>DEC VAXstation 3100
>>Single user                               405 sec.
>
>DEC 3000 Model 500                        6.7 s (avg. of 10 runs)
>DEC OSF/1 1.3
>cc -O3 -o bench bench.c -lm -non_shared

60 MHz ALR Pentium Evolution                  9 sec.
QNX 4.2 with Watcom C v9.5
cc -Otax -o bench bench.c -5 -Wc,-fp5 -N9000k

The -5 and -Wc,-fp5 enable the Pentium-specific optimizations in the
Watcom compiler.
-- 
Dan Hildebrand                     email: danh@qnx.com
QNX Software Systems, Ltd.         QUICS: danh  (613) 591-0934 (data)
(613) 591-0931 x204 (voice)        mail:  175 Terence Matthews          
(613) 591-3579      (fax)                 Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2M 1W8

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From: dblack@pilot.njin.net (David Alan Black)
Subject: Re: Current rootdisk distribution?
Date: 11 Dec 93 00:53:43 GMT

dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland) writes:


>Having just gone through the hassle of installing SLS on my roommate's
>machine, I have concluded that I'd rather build my own system from
>scratch than use a full distribution. That way I can at least insure
>things are set up correctly. <only 1/2 :-) >

>Is there a bootdisk/rootdisk distribution containing a recent (and
>preferably relatively stable) kernel? Where may it be found?

Have a look in pub/Linux/kernel/images on sunsite.  

You might also think about borrowing some CPU time on your roommate's
computer and compiling a custom-configured kernel.

I've been thinking about trying the same experiment.... let me know how
it goes.



David Black
dblack@pilot.njin.net


                "Mrs. Peel!  We're waiting for you."

                        - Stewart Kirby



>--
>   - David A. Holland            | Nobody ever went broke underestimating
>     dholland@husc.harvard.edu   | the intelligence of the American public.

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From: devmorfo@mtu.edu (Evmorfopoulos Dimitris)
Subject: Re: GUS Sound Card - Anyone know...
Date: 11 Dec 1993 01:06:14 GMT

In article <93343.172608KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET>, Karl Keyte, ESOC Darmstadt <KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
> Is anyone out there using the GUS soundcard?  Can anyone tell me
> what the Linux support is like?  Does it work in emulation (SB)
> mode or do the drivers use it as a real GUS?  Is the support for
> thinks like WAV, /dev/audio, etc. in for the GUS?
> 
> Any other comment, experiences, information, etc. would be
> greatfully received.
> 
> Thanks for your time & help.
> 

Yes there are people who use GUS. There is no such thing as a SB emulation, since
in DOS it is done through software. The drivers support GUS with the exeption of 
its mixer. All sound formats are actually supported, but you probably going to 
need LSox, to make conversions. As for experience, I used to have a SB pro,
and playing a mod file used to give me a systems load of 1.01. Now with GUS
for the same usage I get a load of 0.15, and alot more of free memory. 



                                                        Dimitris.

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.vms,relcom.talk,relcom.fido.su.general
From: howard@phosphorus.kgn.ibm.com (Sam Howard)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1993 00:49:51 GMT
Reply-To: howard@silicon.kgn.ibm.com

In article <1993Dec7.031614.16788@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>Seeing so many benchmark tests contradicting one another
>gotta be confusing for insightful observer. For me perpetrating
>mostly scientific calculations they do not offer much to
>swallow to say nothing about digesting..
>So in deep despair have I decided to run the following
>short and, I hope, comprehensive code on various boxes widely
>spread in academic community.
>
>
>As everybody with eyes can see, the program calculates some stuff
>in a loop storing it in memory (gotta be ~ 8Mb of RAM taken)
>and gives on output the number of seconds spent. And here are the
>results of calculation:
>
>     Computer                             Time spent
IBM 250 (the new PPC)                        13 (no optimization)
AIX 3.2.5/X11R5                              10 (optimization on)
64M ram
just me (which means that i'm 56M used before running this...  :(

-- 
Samuel P. Howard, PHIGS/PEX Test, KGS
TelTech
...graphics is cool...

"Winter is the season in which people try to keep the house as warm as
it was in the summer, when they complained about the heat."

<these are my words, and no one else can have them!>

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