Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #426
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Date:     Tue, 14 Dec 93 09:13:33 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #426, Volume #1                Tue, 14 Dec 93 09:13:33 EST

Contents:
  Re: Any visual debuggers ? (Greg Wettstein)
  Seek Medford-area Linux person to help my nephew there (John E. Kreznar)
  DEPCA ethernet card (Martin Beck)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Greg Bothe)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (David E. Fox)
  Re: Why is comp.os.linux still around? (Remco Treffkorn)
  Re: Who is the typical Linux user? (Remco Treffkorn)
  Re: X (Dan Mattrazzo)
  Where do I find things for Linux like tcsh, csh, etc...? (ported of cou (Martin F. Falatic)
  Oak VG770 & LGX X11 Support (nigel)
  Re: LGX List of Problems #5 (Jon Tombs)
  ftape success for Archive QIC-80 drive (Ching-Hsiang Chen)
  Re: PAS 16 with AHA 1542 (David Black)
  Re: Who is the typical Linux user? (David Simmons)
  Linux crashed freq #2 [HELP] (Jesper Honig Spring)
  Re: Call for linux sources (Rick Slater)
  Re: ld.so, where is it? (Charles Hawkins)

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 03:13:34 CST
From: Greg Wettstein <NU013809@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Any visual debuggers ?

> It really hurts me to say this, but after a few
> years of being forced to live in the DOS world,
> I got spoiled by using Microsoft/Borland type
> visual symbolic debuggers for C developement.
>
> Now that I am back to Unix (Linux), I find gdb
> excellent as it is, slow to use compared to
> fancy debuggers available in the DOS world.
>
> Is there anything like this for X, even already
> working on Linux?  How about a Tk something?
> Thanks for any assitance,  dennis@math.nwu.edu

There are a number of attractive alternatives.  There is a chunk of
elisp code called gdbsrc.el that we use that is rather nice.  This allows
source level debugging under emacs.  Not as fancy as the DOS thingies but
it provides good viewing of the source context which is about all that I
am really interested in.  The elisp code displays an arrow into the
actual source code showing where gdb is stepping.

The UPS debugger has also been ported to Linux.  One of the Ricks.. :-)
I believe did it.  Very nice X based source level debugger.  Compiled
fairly cleanly here but we have not used it much yet.  We are heading
for a fairly rigorous couple of months of coding this winter and it will
probably get a workout then.

As always,
Dr. G.W. Wettstein           Oncology Research Div. Computing Facility
Roger Maris Cancer Center    UUCP:  uunet!plains!wind!greg
Fargo, ND  58122             INTERNET: greg%wind.UUCP@plains.nodak.edu
Phone: 701-234-2833
======================================================================
`The truest mark of a man's wisdom is his ability to listen to other
 men expound their wisdom.' -- GWW

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From: jkreznar@ininx.com (John E. Kreznar)
Subject: Seek Medford-area Linux person to help my nephew there
Date: 14 Dec 1993 09:26:37 GMT

My 14-year old nephew is just getting interested in computers, and I'd
like to be sure he doesn't get trapped by Microsoft.  Unfortunately, I'm
in Los Angeles and don't often get to visit him at his home near
Medford, Oregon.

If you're a Linux enthusiast near Medford and would like to provide
occasional personal guidance to a promising young man, please respond by
email.
-- 

        John E. Kreznar         | Relations among people to be by
        jkreznar@ininx.com      | mutual consent, or not at all.

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From: mmb@rz.uni-jena.de (Martin Beck)
Subject: DEPCA ethernet card
Date: 14 Dec 1993 09:10:15 GMT


Hello,
I have a DEPCA ethernet card and linux slackware v.1.1.0 . By reconfiguration the kernel I
obtain the failure
>> No rule to make target 'net.a(depca.o)' <<.
Does anyone knows how I could get the sources for the depca card?

Thanks for any help
Martin

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.vms,comp.benchmarks
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
From: gbothe@netrats.aar.wpafb.af.mil (Greg Bothe)
Date: 13 Dec 93 22:55:47 EST


> >I had to make the declaration of y global to prevent a segmentation
> >violation on the DEC Alpha I ran it on.

> 60 MHz ALR Pentium Evolution                  9 sec.
> QNX 4.2 with Watcom C v9.5
> cc -Otax -o bench bench.c -5 -Wc,-fp5 -N9000k

> The -5 and -Wc,-fp5 enable the Pentium-specific optimizations in the
> Watcom compiler.

On A DEC Alpha AXP 4000/610, 128 MB RAM, 200 mips, I got 9 sec.

cc -O2 -o bench bench.c -lm

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From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox)
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1993 18:52:29 GMT

Andres Kruse (NIKHEF) (kruse@zow.desy.de) wrote:

: - It is putting a lot of emphasis on trigonometric functions.

That is true.  My results will be somewhat skewed then because I
have a Cyrix Fasmath math coprocessor, which gives a good performance
boost over the Intel 387.

It doesn't test swapping very well (although it _was_ swapping some
on my system) because it simply goes sequentially through an 8 meg
array.  (A long time ago when I was just getting into Unix (was running
386BSD 0.1 then) I played with some benchmarks that allocated a large
amount of RAM and proceeded to address that array randomly.)

: - You have to quote the CPU type, the cache size, the memory
:   size, the compiler options etc. All this has a big influence!

I ran it on a not very loaded (two users, one was reading news) 386SX/16,
8 megs of RAM, SLS 1.03-based Linux (kernel 0.99.pl13), 15 ms Maxstor
hard disk (swap partition is on this disk, so access time is somewhat
of a factor), running gcc 2.4.5 (cc -O2 -o benchmark benchmark.c) and
came up with the following results:

198s real 183.190s user 3.800s system 93% benchmark

for whatever they're worth.

:    If you are looking for some code to check your FPU, what about
: the good'ol WHETSTONE. What about LINPAK, DHRYSTONE, etc.

Whetstone and dhrystone aren't very good because they're so small, 
and the comment raised by other users as to their true effectiveness
given some cache memory (since they can fit in cache) seems to be
valid.  Linpack and/or Lawrence Livermore Loops are better, and I
have used the Fortran and C sources for both to benchmark my
system.

: Seeing so many people blindly taking this source and wasting their
: CPU cycles and bandwidth in the NET I think that it's good to
: have SPEC around. SPEC *does* give a quite good estimate on how

That's what I wondered too - it would be nice to be able to quote
SPECint92/SPECfp92 for Linux/gcc systems, since this is one bench-
mark that industry people look at.  (The other, sadly, being either
Norton Sysinfo or PC Magazine benchmarks.)  Unfortunately, though,
SPEC is commercial, and you'd probably not be able to get it even
if you had the $$$$. :(

(For what it's worth, also, I'm setting followup to just c.o.l.misc,
as I don't (yet) get comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware or comp.os.vms at this
site.)

: Cheers,

:    Andres

: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Andres Kruse      | NIKHEF - National Institute for Nuclear Physics and
: A.Kruse@nikhef.nl | High-Energy Physics, Amsterdam, The Netherlands


-- 
David Fox                       root@belvedere.sbay.org
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: Why is comp.os.linux still around?
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 07:43:08 GMT
Reply-To: remco@hip-hop.sbay.org

W.R.Volz (hwrvo@usho42.hou281.chevron.com) wrote:
: Ok. So I was wrong. Big deal.

I hope you learned your lesson ! Just don't do it again !!

: ======================
: Bill Volz
: Chevron Petroleum Technology Co.
: Earth Model/Interpretation & Analysis Division.
: P.O. Box 42832, Houston, TX, 77242-2832
: Phone: (713) 596-2059 Fax: (713) 596-3009

Sorry, I needed to get that off my chest :)

Remco

..and still laughing he vanished into the woods...
-- 

Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
remco@hip-hop.sbay.org   <<-- REAL reply address !!
(408) 685-1201

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From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: Who is the typical Linux user?
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 08:00:43 GMT
Reply-To: remco@hip-hop.sbay.org

Phil Hughes LJ Editor (phil@fylz.com) wrote:
alot of stuff...
: -- 
: Phil Hughes, Editor, Linux Journal, P.O. Box 85867, Seattle, WA 98145-1867 USA
: E-mail: phil@fylz.com   Phone: +1 206 524 8338 FAX: +1 206 526 0803

I admit it, I am the typycal Linux user! You got me. What now?
-- 

Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
remco@hip-hop.sbay.org   <<-- REAL reply address !!
(408) 685-1201

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From: dcm6986@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Dan Mattrazzo)
Subject: Re: X
Date: 13 Dec 93 13:12:21 GMT

In article <93121202461757@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, adam.husik@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (ADAM HUSIK) writes:
>
>    I have a monochrome twinhead notebook, with a cirrus logic CL-6
>D6420 VGA BIOS. When I try to run STARTX I see my monitor go crazy with
>geometric designs, untill I press CNT-ALT-BKSPACE to quit X. Does anyone
>have some ideas as to how I could get X to run on my machine(In
>greyscale, monochrome?)?
>    Thanks in advance,
>
>Adam Husik

        Read the FAQs on Xconfig.  Everyone's got to do thier time.

=============================================================================== 
        Dan Mattrazzo                           
        dcmfac@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
        
        Mastering that Parallel thing  
        Graduate Studies
        Computer Science
        Rochester Institute of Technology

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From: mff@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Martin F. Falatic)
Subject: Where do I find things for Linux like tcsh, csh, etc...? (ported of cou
Date: 13 Dec 93 14:07:37 GMT


        It is mentioned in the faq that these things exist. Unfortunately,
I have no idea >where< they might be. Is there a "general" site that
someone has put these in, or at least some of them? Let me know by e-mail.
                Marty

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From: nigel@mailserver.aixssc.uk.ibm.com (nigel)
Subject: Oak VG770 & LGX X11 Support
Date: 13 Dec 93 15:02:00 GMT



Hi, I've just bought myself a copy of Linux LGX & have to say that I'm
really impressed at how well it compares to /Commercial/ SCO Unix.

Problem though is that I can't work out how to get my Oak VG7700 VGA
adapter to run in anything other than 640x480 monochrome-vga in X11.

In MS Windows (sorry to use bad language on the net) I can get 800x600
no problem so I know that the card is capable of more.

I've tried all of the other supplied drivers without joy. The manual
suggests that there are config files I can play with and that the
/clocks/ value(s) should be changed but I've no idea what to.

My monitor is a Goldstar 1465 SSI that supports the following:

                    H Freq  V Freq
          640x350  31.5KHz   70Hz
          720x400  31.5KHz   70Hz
          640x480  31.5KHz   60Hz
          800x600  35.2KHz   56Hz
         1024x768  35.5KHz   87Hz
          800x600  48.06KHz  72Hz
         1024x768  47.7KHz   60Hz

Can anyone out there tell me what to do to get colour and a decent
X11 screen resolution - I'm stuck...



Thanks in anticipation
g files I can play with and that the
/clocks/ value(s) should be changed but I've no idea what to.

My monitor is a Goldstar 1465 SSI that supports the following:

                    H Freq  V Freq
          640x350  31.5KHz   70Hz
          720x400  31.5KHz   70Hz
          640x480  31.5KHz   60Hz
          800x600  35.2KHz   56Hz
         1024x768  35.5KHz   87Hz
          800x600  48.06KHz  72Hz
         1024x768  47.7KHz   60Hz

Can anyone out there tell me what to do to get colour and a decent
X11 screen resolution - I'm stuck...



Thanks in anticipation

ecent
X11 screen resolution - I'm stuck...



Thanks in anticipation

Nigel Wale

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From: jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs)
Subject: Re: LGX List of Problems #5
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 10:37:27 GMT

In article <CHsH1n.Izw@khijol.yggdrasil.com> adam@adam.yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter) writes

>[08] : bibtex - The .bst files are missing in both /usr/Tex and the supplied
>       source.
>[OPEN.  What are .bst files?]


They are like the .sty files for tex/latex or the .h files for the compiler.
i.e. without them the program is pretty much useless.


Jon.

From the AIX 3.2.5 release notes (without permission).
"You may not want to install AIXwindows (X11R4) on a machine that has less
than _36MB_ of paging space, because AIXwindows may not run dependably in this
enviroment."


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From: chchen@stat (Ching-Hsiang Chen)
Subject: ftape success for Archive QIC-80 drive
Date: 14 Dec 1993 11:24:44 GMT

I grabbed the new ftape version 0.9.8a last night and finally I
am able to backup my whole Linux partition (80mb) in one DC2120 tape.
I couldn't do that using all the previous old version. One thing
that I would note here: make sure you got a GOOD formated tape.
I tried 2 Maxell tapes: the 1st one got an I/O error but the 2nd
one did well. I have restore part of the backup and it's fine.

Chen
-- 
=================================================================
Ching-Hsiang Chen             chchen@stat.fsu.edu
Department of Statistics,     Florida State University
=================================================================

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From: dave@hip-hop.sbay.org (David Black)
Subject: Re: PAS 16 with AHA 1542
Date: 14 Dec 1993 00:15:54 -0800

In <1993Dec13.035109.10564@news.uit.no> johnm@stud.cs.uit.no (John Markus Bjoerndalen) writes:

> ] On the other hand, the snddrv supports the PAS16 and I never heard about
> ] problems with it. Is it just that nobody uses the AHA 1542 anymore if he
> ] has the SCSI port on the PAS16, or is the snddrv so much smarter, that it
> ] works, or is just the disk buffering better with Linux (so that conflicts
> ] are very unlikely due to rarer disk access) ?

I'm using just the setup you describe, an AHA1542 (B) and PAS-16
card, with a Linux 0.99pl14 alpha "a" kernel, patched for accounting,
quota, cluster and ide-multimode support.

The PAS-16 card works fairly well with the Adaptec running all out,
up to a point. I can record and playback 28 Ksamples/sec at 16 bit stereo
all day and it works fine. This on a 486-33DX. Only under extremely heavy
system load are there any problems, and this is just I/O starvation
(my box chews on lots of netnews). Best results come if I up the
priority of the vplay/vrec (what I use) and the "buffer" programs.
Buffer helps a lot when recording to hard disk. And so do the
cluster-05 patches, to keep some free disk buffers all the time.

Above 28 Ksamples/sec (still 16 bit stereo) things start to get weird if
the SCSI is very active. Many pops occur and the stereo channels get
slightly out of sync, which is heard as phasing and shifting of the
stereo image. Also, occasionally the card gets way out of whack and
spews white noise until I stop sample playback and continue it. The
white noise thing I regard as a driver bug, possibly. The 486 is
*not* huffing and puffing at this point - vplay only uses 10-15% CPU
even at 44.1 Ksamples/sec.

Overall, the results are excellent, but I'm sure they'll get even
better with subsequent sound driver releases.

Thanks to all the developers involved!

Dave
-- 
David L. Black    Home: dave@hip-hop.sbay.org     Amateur Packet Radio:
Hip-Hop BBS       Work: daveb@eng.amdahl.com      KE6AJC@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA

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From: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: Who is the typical Linux user?
Date: 14 Dec 1993 11:51:25 GMT
Reply-To: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu

In article <1993Dec13.234128.18292@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> barb@brule.forsci.ualberta.ca (Barb Beck) writes:
>Dan Mattrazzo seems to think that 10 year olds and mothers are too dumb to
>handle linux.  I have met several 10 year olds much more capable of
>doing something on such a system than some cs grads.  My GRANDAUGHTER should
>start learning something about it soon.
>                                         GRANDMA Beck
>                                         A linux user

Well, I'm taking a terminal home over the holidays, and I'm going to wire
my 10-year old brother's room into my Linux box.  He is definately going
to be Unix-literate before I leave. :)


-- 
David Simmons, System Administrator                 simmons@ee.msstate.edu
Mississippi State University Electrical and Computer Engineering
"Linux:  Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste."                  

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From: spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring)
Subject: Linux crashed freq #2 [HELP]
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 11:15:04 GMT

Corrections to the prior edition of this article:

When trying to do 'ls -AlF' this error message occur:

        cant find  /lib/lib.so.4.0

when trying to execute a program:

        file table overflow

Please help if U can.

Please also email me

-- 
===============================================================================
     jesper honig spring                    department of computer science 
         spring@diku.dk                    university of copenhagen, denmark  
===============================================================================

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From: slater@nrlssc.navy.mil (Rick Slater)
Subject: Re: Call for linux sources
Date: 13 Dec 1993 21:18:52 GMT

Mark Line (markline@henson.cc.wwu.edu) wrote:

: Sometimes you have to give people the benefit of the doubt. For those
: who are interested: .mil doesn't necessarily always imply tanks and
: Desert Storm. The topquark site is at a research laboratory of the
: Corps of Engineers in Illinois. Used any hydroelectric power lately?
: Prefer nuclear? That's DOE, they use .gov -- *much* better... Besides,
: that lab has made the single most important public domain contribution
: to the field of geographic information processing. It even runs on
: Linux, thanks to Andy Burnett.

Glad to see someone with a clue.  I'm at a civilian laboratory funded
by the Navy at a NASA site, and have often had to put up with the
predjudice of the type you just pointed out.  Unfortunately, too many
people on the net have constipation of the brain and diarreha of the
mouth when it comes to .mil suffixes.

: Just thought you might like to know. Advice to Christopher Shaulis:
: open mouth, remove foot.

Seconded.

 -- Rick

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: ceh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Charles Hawkins)
Subject: Re: ld.so, where is it?
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 12:55:43 GMT

In article <2egc3d$2ce@orion.cc.andrews.edu>, beaman@andrews.edu (Kendall Beaman) writes:
|>    Ok.  I've been messing with Linux and decided to change my shell.  I like
|> ksh better that the others so I got it and untarred it.  I can now no longer
|> log in as root.  Each time I get a error telling me that it can't load the
|> dynamic linker ld.so.  I logged in as one of my users and searched for it but
|> didn't find it.  How can I fix it if I can't log in as root?  
|> -- 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> I don't mind what Congress does, as long as they don't do it in the
|> streets and frighten the horses.    -- Victor Hugo
|>                                                         beaman@andrews.edu
This one gets asked so often!! Not really your fault Victor, the file has ldso
in its filename NOT ld.so, so search the ls-lR for that.

To those in charge of ld.so and the ftp sites - Any chance the filename can
be changed to ld.so????? It might save a lot of bandwidth.

Charles Hawkins

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