Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #442
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Date:     Fri, 17 Dec 93 06:13:06 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #442, Volume #1                Fri, 17 Dec 93 06:13:06 EST

Contents:
  Re: Linux / DOS boot (Jorge Cwik)
  Dumb OS crashes when set up wrong (was: Windows emulation...) (Michael Covington)
  Re: File manager for Linux? (yuri@actcom.co.il)
  Re: A typical Linux machine (Sami-Pekka Hallikas)
  filesystem & swap decisi (DAVIN GEORGE)
  Soundblaster and CD (DAVIN GEORGE)
  Re: Update on Linux International (RFD) (Mario Camou)
  TERM, mail, and reading news (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: Lisp anyone?  How about CMU Lisp?  Garnet? (David Gadbois)
  Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  Re: A typical Linux machine (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  Re: AT&T StarLAN card (Brian L. Heess)
  HELP!: Fonts gone screwey (Chris Royle)
  ping:network unreachable (Thurecht)
  Re: SURVEY: Graphics card benchmarks under XFree86 (Chunyan Huang)
  Re: AT&T StarLAN card (Michael J Graven)
  OPINION on Linux Counter: person lists? (Harald T. Alvestrand)

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From: jorge@laser.satlink.net (Jorge Cwik)
Subject: Re: Linux / DOS boot
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 03:55:25 ARG

sfuller@ins.infonet.net writes:

> You can't boot Linux from DOS.

And why not ?
I boot Novell every day from the DOS prompt. If I want, I can return back
to DOS after downing the server.
Why it wouldn't be possible for Linux ?

        Jorge


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From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.fan.mike-dahmus
Subject: Dumb OS crashes when set up wrong (was: Windows emulation...)
Date: 17 Dec 1993 03:29:34 GMT

In article <CI5Lno.CC7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> craig@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Craig Lewis) writes:
>In article <2eqrms$m3c@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>>
>>Setup error.  Add an appropriate EMMexclude= command to system.ini to keep
>>Windows from conflicting with your Ethernet card.
>
>That might help, but it's not my job.  They've got one system.ini that the
>the whole PC network uses.  Might be nice, but impossible.

It seems positively ridiculous to demand that an operating system should
run OK when it is set up wrong!  If anything (such as an Ethernet card) is
writing to memory addresses in the 640K-1024K range,  you have to tell
Windows about it, so that Windows will not use those addresses.

BTW, which newsgroup are you actually reading this in?  I am trimming down
the followups line to just alt.folklore.computers.




-- 
< Michael A. Covington, Assc Rsch Scientist, Artificial Intelligence Programs >
< The University of Georgia, Athens, GA 30606-7415 USA    mcovingt@ai.uga.edu >
<>< ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ><>
< For info about U.Ga. degree programs, email GRADADM@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (not me) >

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From: yuri@actcom.co.il
Subject: Re: File manager for Linux?
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 12:41:15 GMT

In article <CHq78z.E5v@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3jfs@imc10 (John F Skoda) writes:
>
>  Hi folks,
>       I have a dumb question, I've looked through the FAQ's for linux
> and X and I can't seem to find a file manager application like Filemgr
> on a Sun....  Is there such an animal?
>
>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-- John F Skoda                            | I am possessed by Demons, demons
>-- electronic learning facilitators, inc.  | who recently opened the door for
>-- Bethesda, MD                            | a woman with too many parcels,
>-- dsc3jfs@imc10.med.navy.mil             | But DEMONS none the less....
>-- dsc3jfs@imc30.med.navy.mil              |                       -TKITH
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>with DISCLAIMER_PACKAGE;

Two monthes ago I've got sources from ftp site:
ramz.ing.tu-bs.de:/pub/kalkan 
IP-Adress: 134.169.27.10
file: xfilemanager-0.5.0b.tar.gz size 128894
After correcting some unsignificant bugs it works fine on SUNOS and 
Linux 0.99pl5 - pl13.
yuri@actcom.com


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From: semi@dream.nullnet.fi (Sami-Pekka Hallikas)
Subject: Re: A typical Linux machine
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 12:05:49 GMT

H.J. Lu (hjl@nynexst.com) wrote:
> Harald T. Alvestrand (hta@uninett.no) wrote:
>> After more than 200 machines entered into my database, I feel like
>> offering the following observations about a typical Linux machine:
> Mine is 386SX/16 with 4MB RAM and 100 MB HD.
I have 386sx/16MHz w/ 4MB Ram and 100MB+130MB HD
-- 
+--------------------------+-------------------------------------------------+
| semi@dream.nullnet.fi    |       MAIL MEDIA. Do Not Expose to Flame!       |
| samip@garbo.uwasa.fi     +-------------------------------------------------|
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From: davin.george@welcom.gen.nz (DAVIN GEORGE)
Subject: filesystem & swap decisi
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 05:06:00 GMT


DDI've been playing around with Linux, and I've decided to make it my
DDprimary OS.  I'm about to nuke my two 430 meg partitions and my 64 meg
DDswap partition, and lay the disk out in a semi-permenant
DDconfiguration.  What filesystem should I use for an over-800 meg
DDpartition?  I know there's ext2fs, and I've also vaguely heard of the
DDxiafs.  What other choices are there?  What's the relative
DDstability/performance?  My hardware is an Adaptec AHA1542C SCSI
DDcontroller and an HP gigabyte disk drive and Texel CD-ROM, if any of
DDthat has any bearing (I hope to get an EISA SCSI controller within a
DDyear).

You'll find the EISA SCSI controller makes a HUGE difference. I found quite
a difference just between an ISA IDE and an EISA IDE. Stick with EISA. Why a
64 Meg swap partition? Are you doing that much on your system that you need
it this size? Just curious.

DDAlso, for swapspace, can anyone sumarize a cost-benefit analysis of
DDswapfile vs. partition?  I would expect swapping to a partition to
DDgive better performance -- is this effect significant?  If I use a
DDswapfile, will Linux grow it if it needs more VM, as some OSes out
DDthere will?

For your swapfile/partition I'ld go for the partition at the recommended 3 x
the amount of real memory you have. Not sure why 3 times, I'm only using 16
Mbytes as a swap-partition with 8 Mbytes of RAM and it seems to be okay,
mind you I'll upgrade to 24 Mbyte swap-partition when I get this new
harddrive. Why not just run stardard Linux partition. Good Luck.

                                                Catch Ye Later
                                                 Davin George

Davin.George@Welcom.Gen.Nz Or FidoNet 3:771/370
    Davin.George@f370.n771.z3.fidonet.org



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From: davin.george@welcom.gen.nz (DAVIN GEORGE)
Subject: Soundblaster and CD
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 05:12:00 GMT


PTI just bought a used computer, that's got a CD-ROM attached to my
PTsoundblaster.  I used DOS to get make a slackware boot disk from the Mors
PTCD, then found I couldn't mount the CD, so I copied the A disks to the DO
PTpartition, and let Slackware install the minimum stuff from the DOS parti
PTonto the Linux partition.  Now I've recompiled the kernal to support CD-R
PTbut I still can't figure out how to mount the CD.  Can anybody out there
PTme the mount command (or the /dev/) for this combination.  I tried
PTmount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /cdrom - which obviously didn't work because
PT/dev/sr0 is for SCSI.  I tried /dev/mcd0, and that didn't work either.

I'm using a similar setup myself. The soundlblaster doesn't use a SCSI type
controller so thats where the problem is. Also make sure you have a
directory called Cdrom. Try the following:

        mount /dev/sbpro_cd /cdrom

The correct device name for the Sbpro_Cdrom is /dev/sbpro_cd. Should work
now. Also you don't need the '-t iso9660" but it looks tidier.

                                                Catch Ye Later
                                                 Davin George

Davin.George@Welcom.Gen.Nz Or FidoNet 3:771/370
    Davin.George@f370.n771.z3.fidonet.org



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From: camou@csid.gmeds.com (Mario Camou)
Subject: Re: Update on Linux International (RFD)
Date: 16 Dec 1993 11:02:52 -0500

dblack@pilot.njin.net (David Alan Black) writes:
: I think that consideration should be given to choosing a name (assuming
: the organization does come into being) which does not have the word
: "Linux" in it.

Interesting thought. How about "Free Unix Association" or something
along those lines? It could have Special Interest Groups such as Linux,
NetBSD, etc...

Just my N$0.06 worth,
-- 
Mario Camou / EDS Mexico Client-Server Integration Team
From Mexico City, the smog capital of the world
==============================================================================
My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.

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From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: TERM, mail, and reading news
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 07:26:19 GMT

I'm trying to learn how to do mail and news using TERM. I've made bit of
progress but I'm still having problems.

Since SLIP is not available to everyone I think that work in this area would
be very useful to folks like me who do a lot of work from home.

Mail
----
Receiving mail is no problem. I pulled the term+mail distribution from sunsite.
Compiled it on both ends and set the Linux end to SUID root. The mail daemon
on my SUN picks up the mail and tuploads it to the Linux box.

Sending mail is no joy yet. I tried to "tredir 25 25" so that the Linux
sendmail port connects to the SUN's sendmail port. At first mail just
bounced but I modified the sendmail config and now it just goes in a
black hole (i.e. no bounced message and no received message). Also I had
to disable the SMTP entry in the /etc/inetd.conf file for the tredir to
function properly.

Idea situation: elm+smail addresses mail as if it were coming from the
SUN box and then forwards it to the sendmail socket on the SUN. That
coupled with the already functioning receive operation would give me
the desired functionality.

News
----
There is a working solution to the reading News problem: tin 1.2pl2 with
the tin+term patches on sunsite. The Makefile doesn't patch properly but
I just patched it by hand. It connects to my news server, gets the info
and gives me a list of newsgroup. However pulling down the newsgroup index
for 5000-50000 articles just doesn't work well. Also I haven't seen a
thread feature in tin.

Idea situation: 1st of all trn running over term would be a better bet. I
could even afford to keep the threads locally. The idea term newsreader
wouldn't force a pulldown of entire index or messages of a newsgroup before
reading. It would pull down a page of indices (preferably threaded), allow
you select articles from that page (while pulling down others indices),
and continue to pull down selected articles and indices while you're reading.
Seems like a tough assignment, but a serial based news reader would function
best like this.

Anyway TERM is definitely the best thing since sliced bread for me. If I
can telnet, ftp, do mail, read news, and run X apps over it then I'm a
happy camper.

Any suggestions?

BAJ
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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From: gadbois@cs.utexas.edu (David Gadbois)
Subject: Re: Lisp anyone?  How about CMU Lisp?  Garnet?
Date: 17 Dec 1993 01:41:48 -0600

In article <2en9dl$p8o@tivoli.tivoli.com>, Steve Benz <steveb@newsouthwales.uucp> wrote:
>I'm gearing up to write a fairly big-time application, much of
>which would do well if written in Lisp.  I still haven't settled
>on exactly what dialect to use, but CMU Lisp seems like a good
>option -- except that it's not ported to Linux at the moment.
>Has anybody tried?  Anybody thought about it?  If so, what'd you
>think?


[Hey, Steve!  When is your next party?]

"What dialect to use" spans an incredibly broad spectrum, though if
you are talking about CMU Lisp, you probably mean Common Lisp.

Last I heard, CMUCL only runs on SPARC- and MIPS-based machines under
pre-Solaris SunOS and Mach derivatives.  The developers claim that it
would take "several wizard-months" to port it to a new processor and
OS (it seems the only OS support they need is some means of trapping
writes for GC (i.e., full mmap); everything else is pretty much
standard library support).  I'd love to see them proven wrong on that
time estimate.

The latest version of CMUCL does support a byte-compiler, though,
which may be an easy route to at least get it running under Linux.

CMUCL is Way Cool.  The Python compiler does an incredible amount of
analysis and is very chatty about it.  I have compiled CL programs
with it that have been running for years, and it immediately came back
and noted bugs involving obscure boundary conditions that we had
previously not encountered or chalked up to alpha particles.

There are two portable Common Lisp implementations that do run under
Linux: clisp and AKCL.  I run clisp at home myself (it is a
byte-compiler implementation that runs suprisingly quickly; maybe I am
just used to slow old lispms), and it works just fine.  It is a bit
rough around the edges (I'm working on that), but I just can't stand
AKCL myself.

As for other dialects, there are scads of Scheme implementations,
xlisp (an interpreted Lisp 1.5-style Lisp), plus (last but certainly
not least), Mock Lisp in GNU Emacs.


--David Gadbois

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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: Linux counter: Usage growth of Linux
Date: 17 Dec 1993 07:44:51 GMT

In article <CI4zHM.Aqo@suncad.camosun.bc.ca>, morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) writes:

|> Yeah, I was wondering...  do my BBS users count for anything?  Although
|> they don't necessarily know it they are using Linux.  I currently have 140
|> users (give or take).  We're directly on the 'net too so all these people
|> are using telnet, ftp, etc.
|> 
|> Mark

Mark,
send them all in as "friend" registration!
They are as valid as the teacher who used Linux in class and sent in
all her students - at least!

-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: A typical Linux machine
Date: 17 Dec 1993 07:50:57 GMT

In article <2epsgp$4m@renux.frmug.fr.net>, rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC) writes:

|> Im a registered since the first days of the linux counter, there was just
|> the subject line at this time.
|> 
|> (And I remember that I received the confirmation mail to the right adress,
|>  'rene@renux.frmug.fr.net',  tellling my that 'rene@frmug.fr.net' was
|> counted ( or a similar error :-) )
|> 
|> What happens if someone wants to update his account ?
|> Can we post a new mail or do you have to edit all that manually... ?
|> 
Rene,
if the counter finds 2 pieces of mail from the same person, the following
will happen:

- If there is a subject-line entry and a //PERSON entry, the //PERSON entry
  takes precedence
- If there are 2 entries of the same type, the newest one takes precedence.

Subject-line entries only happen when there are no //PERSON, //MACHINE,
//FRIEND or HELP calls in the mail.

The net result is that you should be able to send an E-mail to the counter
with a //MACHINE entry *without* updating your registration, and you should
be able to update your registration at any time.

If you think you have registered twice, from 2 different E-mail accounts,
send me E-mail, and I will take out the earliest of the 2 entries.

Have a good time!
-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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From: bheess@cheshire.oxy.edu (Brian L. Heess)
Subject: Re: AT&T StarLAN card
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 08:26:18 GMT

In article <1993Dec15.140322.28698@afit.af.mil> dchatham@afit.af.mil writes:
>
>I am trying to make linux work on a number of AT&T PCs.  They have an
>AT&T StarLAN card (no doubt made by somebody else).  Does anyone know
>whether these cards emulate a supported card or if any work is being
>done to support them.  There is a crynwr driver for dos made
>specifically for this card.
>
>Any ideas?

It may depend on what TYPE of StartLAN card it is.  There are/were two
types, the 1Mb original type, which would talk with all of the early
StarLAN cards, like the ones in my AT&T 3B/1's and such (twisted pair) and
then there was the 10Mb type, which was similar to ethernet, but wasn't
exactly ethernet.  These were twisted pair but they had one difference
from the standard 10baseT standard, which I think was the use of the
link-integrity signal.

I've tried to bothering Western Digital about any drivers for the 1Mb
card, and the best they came up with were some for NetWare (older) and
none for NetWare 3.x (where I wanted the card in a server to act as a
gateway for TCP/IP).

-Brian
--
                  Brian L. Heess, Los Angeles, CA, USA
                      ex-Xircom Network Engineer
         bheess@cheshire.oxy.edu  Wk: /dev/null  Hm: 213-256-2227 
"That's like having a little fun with a defective blow-torch!" - Clarissa

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From: c@royle.org (Chris Royle)
Subject: HELP!: Fonts gone screwey
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 19:18:09 GMT


I have just installed the andrew toolkit, and copied the fonts directory
into /usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi.

I then logged out of the machine, and now my xdm login window and most of my
X fonts are completely different - my login window on a 17" monitor is about
3 inches by 1 inch!

I've deleted all the files in that directory with today's date, but it still
hasn't rectified itself. 

A typicaly example : the font used to label windows in twm has stopped being
bold.

Any ideas ?

Yours,

a very unhappy Chris.
-- 
Chris Royle               "In the sex war, insensitivity is the weapon of the
Managing Director          male, vindictiveness of the female". C. Connoly (?)
Objectronix Limited        c@royle.org              (Internet)
Leeds, UK 0850 668151      car1002@uk.ac.cam.hermes (JANET)

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From: a59@aixcomp1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Thurecht)
Subject: ping:network unreachable
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 09:30:46 GMT

Hi all,
my problem: ping return with "network unreachable"
Version:SLS 1.03
Linux detects the ethercard correctly
under Dos the hardware works
ping is o.k. with my own Ip
the Ips are (hopefully) correct in setting
  thanks in advance
          Ernst

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.benchmarks,comp.os.linux.help,aus.computers.linux
From: hcy@kronecker.mit.edu (Chunyan Huang)
Subject: Re: SURVEY: Graphics card benchmarks under XFree86
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 05:12:57 GMT

Hi. I bought a Diamond Viper VL card a few weeks back. Sa far I am very
satisfied its performance under MS-Windows. I just found out XFree86 does
not support this card, not even in the near future. Fortunately I am able to
return the card. But before I buy another one, I would like some suggestions
from your guys. What is the most popular Graphical Card used by your guys
which:

        1. Fully supported by XFree86 (256 color mode) and fairly fast.
        2. Works great under Windows too (My SO is a Windows application 
        developer).

        The system I am using is a 486DX2-66 VL motherboard, 16M RAM,
        256K cache, the monitor is MAG MX-17F.

I have heard alot about ATI GU with 2M DRAM. What is the difference between
DRAM and VRAM?

Thanx in advance.

Jennifer


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From: mjg@cs.stanford.edu (Michael J Graven)
Subject: Re: AT&T StarLAN card
Reply-To: mjg@cs.stanford.edu (Michael J Graven)
Date: 17 Dec 93 10:02:12 GMT

bheess@cheshire.oxy.edu (Brian L. Heess) writes:

> These [AT&T PC NAUs] were twisted pair but they had one difference
> from the standard 10baseT standard, which I think was the use of the
> link-integrity signal.

(Ahem) /lack/ of link integrity, that's all.  They do work, generally,
on 10BaseT hubs if you turn off the link integrity signal, as far as I
know.

> -Brian

-- 
-Michael        "Beware the grease-mud; for therein lies the evil skid-demon."
mjg@cs.stanford.edu                       --Japanese motorcycle owner's manual

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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: OPINION on Linux Counter: person lists?
Date: 17 Dec 1993 10:22:08 GMT

Hello,
I am now ready to publish a list of Linux users who have written to
the counter and given permission for their names to be published.
Is there anyone who objects to the posting of a list that looks like
this:

Denmark
==============================================
Henry Land                     luxd@dix.dk                  
Mike Olsen                     mcexer@den.dk         

2 persons listed

Estonia
==============================================
Peeter Lappo                   peter@phys.ut.ee             

(this list has been deliberately damaged - it is NOT real data!)

The people listed share the characteristic:

- They have filed a PERSON entry with the counter, using the //PERSON
  command
- They have written inside it:
  may-publish: YES

(Currently, there seems to be 200 YES and 19 NO in my list)

I have had a number of requests for this list in various formats; if
anyone objects to me publishing it, either on this group or by anonymous
FTP, I would like to hear of it rather quickly, so that I don't do anything
that anyone would object to.

-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.
   Register with the Linux Counter! E-mail to linux-counter@uninett.no!

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