Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #448
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Date:     Sat, 18 Dec 93 21:13:10 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #448, Volume #1                Sat, 18 Dec 93 21:13:10 EST

Contents:
  Re: oleo 1.5 dying (Stephen Opal)
  Re: capturing boot messages (Gregory Owen)
  Re: Slackware Seyon faults with sig 11 (lar3ry gensch)
  Re: How do I get 'ps' to work? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Microsoft Invented Inferior Personal Computing (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: capturing boot messages (J Rozes)
  Re: Slackware Seyon faults with sig 11 (Charles Hedrick)
  Re: FAQ wanted (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Dos Emulation under linux FreeBSD or NetBSD (Rob Janssen)
  Re: help with gzip please (Rob Janssen)
  Re: AMD 486/40 - Not among supported hardware? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: GUS Sound Card - Anyone know... (Kenneth L Mitchell)
  Re: help with gzip please (Andreas Helke)
  Re: A typical Linux machine (David Holland)
  Re: Linux Counter: The most popular dist (Gareth Bult)
  Re: AMD 486/40 - Not among supported hardware? (Adam J. Richter)
  Re: Linux in a hospital? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Linux in a hospital? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: _Real_ hackers ... (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Windows emulation  wa (Brandon S. Allbery)

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From: sno@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Stephen Opal)
Subject: Re: oleo 1.5 dying
Date: 18 Dec 1993 16:57:10 -0500

In article <2etoko$kva@schema.fiu.edu>,
Albert Chin-A-Young <richard@fiu.edu> wrote:
>Has anyone been able to work with oleo 1.5 for more than 5 minutes without
>it dying? When I say 'die' I mean the process gets killed. I can't figure
>out why. System setup is:
>       DELL 486DX2/8MB
>       Linux .99pl13
>       gcc 2.4.5
>       libc 4.4.4
>
>Oleo dies when run from the console or X.
>
>albert

It is quite a bit more stable in X-windows.  However, I can't get it to 
write files that it can reload.  I'm not sure if it is the reload problem
or not.

Apparently a lot more work needs to be done on Oleo 1.5.

-- 
Stephen N. Opal      sno@umcc.umich.edu

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From: gowen@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Gregory Owen)
Subject: Re: capturing boot messages
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:30:50 GMT


bheess@cheshire.oxy.edu writes:
> I remember in some earlier version of UNIX there was a file which
> was created on every boot which contained all of the boot time 
> messages (for later reference).

        Sounds like /usr/adm/messages to me.  It gets set up in
/etc/syslog.conf.  Most machines have it as a default. 

  Greg Owen  { gowen@allegro.cs.tufts.edu, gowen@xis.xerox.com }
 1.01 GCS/GO d++ p+ c++ l++ u++ e+ -m+ s++/- n- h !(f)? g+ -w+ t+ r-- y?
"Put the staff in my hands; for I go to the Fenians, O cleric, to chaunt/
The war-songs that roused them of old; they will rise, making clouds..."


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From: lar3ry gensch <lar3ry@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: Slackware Seyon faults with sig 11
Reply-To: lar3ry@world.std.com
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 14:40:12 GMT

scoti@p46.keru.chg.imp.com (Enrico Scotoni) writes:

>2) There is something really wrong with libc-4.4.4

Yup.  Try any of the following with libc-4.4.4:

        printf("%*sfoo\n", 0, " ");
        printf("%sfoo\n", "");
        fputs("", stdout);

-- 
(void) lar3ry();                        lar3ry@world.std.com

"We here in France are more refined; It's just our prices robbing you blind."
        - DIS' 'n' DAT (December 1993 issue)

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: How do I get 'ps' to work?
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 21:59:40 GMT

In <mff.755741859@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mff@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Martin F. Falatic) writes:


>       I am not using a separate swap disk, btw. (one partition for it
>all... I already had too many partitions.)
>       I can't seem to get 'ps' to work consistently. Ever heard of that
>problem?
>               Marty

Make sure /proc is mounted at boottime.  This can be done using an
entry in /etc/fstab:

# /etc/fstab
# static file system information
#
# This file is not used by the kernel, but rather by mount(8) and umount(8)
# (and some day fsck(8)).  Comment lines have "#" in the first column.
# Entries that are to be ignored should have "none" in the directory field,
# and have type "ignore" or options "xx".  Frequency and pass are numeric
# fields for dump(8) and fsck(8) that are not used yet in Linux.  You can
# leave them empty if want.

# device        directory       type    options         freq pass
/dev/sda4       /               ext2    defaults
/dev/sda3       /u              ext2    defaults
/dev/sda2       /mnt            ext2    defaults
/dev/sda1       /dos            msdos   uid=103,gid=101,umask=022,quiet
/dev/cdrom      /cdrom          iso9660 conv=binary,ro
/proc           /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
^^^^^           ^^^^^           ^^^^    ^^^^^^^^        ^       ^

In /etc/rc, issue a "mount -a"

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Invented Inferior Personal Computing
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:07:12 GMT

darkman@hebron.connected.com (Kevin Johnson) writes:

>mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>>>My experience isn't at all similar to yours, Craig. I'm a professional
>>>Windows programmer, and I also write Windows shareware programs for fun
>>>(OK, so call me a masochist :-) ). Sure, my development software
>>>often crashes, but I honestly cannot remember the last time that a crash
>>>brought the system down. Set up properly, Windows seems a VERY stable
>>>environment indeed.

I did not write the above.
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From: jrozes@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (J Rozes)
Subject: Re: capturing boot messages
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:26:09 GMT

In article <GOWEN.93Dec18173050@allegro.cs.tufts.edu> gowen@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Gregory Owen) writes:

   bheess@cheshire.oxy.edu writes:
   > I remember in some earlier version of UNIX there was a file which
   > was created on every boot which contained all of the boot time 
   > messages (for later reference).

           Sounds like /usr/adm/messages to me.  It gets set up in
   /etc/syslog.conf.  Most machines have it as a default. 

Some default syslog setups never write this to a /var/adm file...
The 'dmesg' command will find it all and print it on stdout. I don't 
know what directory it's located in, as I've done some heavy rearranging 
with my setup, and mine's in /sbin...

jonathan



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From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Subject: Re: Slackware Seyon faults with sig 11
Date: 18 Dec 93 23:41:36 GMT

lar3ry@world.std.com (lar3ry gensch) writes:

>>2) There is something really wrong with libc-4.4.4

>Yup.  Try any of the following with libc-4.4.4:

>       printf("%*sfoo\n", 0, " ");
>       printf("%sfoo\n", "");
>       fputs("", stdout);

I've got libc 4.4.4 and gcc 2.4.5.  It didn't come from any of the
distributions such as Slackware, but directly from the libc and gcc
distributions when they were officially announced by the GCC
maintainer.  When I put those three lines inside main() { } I get
" foo" on one line and "foo" on a second.  I believe that's correct.

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: FAQ wanted
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:27:34 GMT

In <ICHIOHTA.93Dec16012906@ics001.exp.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp> ichiohta@exp.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp (ohta ichirou) writes:


>Hello, there.

>I'm trying to install linux on my PC with Slackware and
>looking for install guide (FAQ or something).
>Let me know where I can get or send me it, if available.

>                               Ichihro Ohta, OSAKA UNIVERSITY, Japan
>                               ichiohta@exp.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp

Please read the comp.os.linux.announce newsgroup, you will find all
guides and FAQs posted regularly.

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.questions
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Dos Emulation under linux FreeBSD or NetBSD
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:35:16 GMT

In <1018@gdx.UUCP> jay@gdx.UUCP (Jay Snyder) writes:


>Does a VP/ix or Merge type program exist under linux, FreeBSD or NetBSD?

Yes, it is called "dosemu"

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: help with gzip please
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:49:48 GMT

In <2es9pi$o72@dorsai.dorsai.org> barryt@news.dorsai.org  (barry tighe) writes:

>I've had a problem installing the latest distribution SLS 'B' series.
>A number of files on the disks were compressed with a newer gzip than
>is distributed on the 'A' disks. I get messages telling me to to get
>a newer version of gzip.

>However I can't seem to find a compiled version of gzip that will run.
>I find the the entire gzip-1.2.4 package out there but it needs to be
>compiled and I don't currently have that ability as I am short on disk
>space and don't yet have room for the compiler.

You should reorganize things in such a way that you have room for the
compiler, as a Linux box is pretty useless without one....
(almost everything comes as source, including patches to upgrade things)

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: AMD 486/40 - Not among supported hardware?
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:52:33 GMT

In <1993Dec17.073929.5665@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> dov@menora.weizmann.ac.il (Dov Grobgeld) writes:

>I just had a look at the HOWTO-Hardware list, and was surprised not
>to find the AMD 486/40 MHz chip on the list of supported CPU? Are
>there any indications that this chip does *not* work with Linux?
>I'd rather get this chip than the Intel 486, since it gives me
>more cream for the same price.

I think most comparisons show there is almost no difference...

Rob
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From: klm10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Kenneth L Mitchell)
Subject: Re: GUS Sound Card - Anyone know...
Date: 16 Dec 93 09:14:36 GMT
Reply-To: klm10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Kenneth L Mitchell)

>
>Yes there are people who use GUS.

Where can we find the drivers? tsx-11? sunsite?

Sorry for wasting bandwidth with this, but I still go back to
DOS (Yukk!) when I want to use my GUS.

Thanks,
Ken

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From: andreas@orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de (Andreas Helke)
Subject: Re: help with gzip please
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 00:26:17 GMT

Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
: In <2es9pi$o72@dorsai.dorsai.org> barryt@news.dorsai.org  (barry tighe) writes:

: >I've had a problem installing the latest distribution SLS 'B' series.
: >A number of files on the disks were compressed with a newer gzip than
: >is distributed on the 'A' disks. I get messages telling me to to get
: >a newer version of gzip.

: >However I can't seem to find a compiled version of gzip that will run.
: >I find the the entire gzip-1.2.4 package out there but it needs to be
: >compiled and I don't currently have that ability as I am short on disk
: >space and don't yet have room for the compiler.

Get the ls-lR file from your ftp site and look there for a binary version.

: You should reorganize things in such a way that you have room for the
: compiler, as a Linux box is pretty useless without one....
: (almost everything comes as source, including patches to upgrade things)


I agree that the compiler is important, but you can find a binary of almost
everything somewhere in the slackware release or in the binary directorys
of the major linux ftp sites.

Andreas
--

Andreas Helke

Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg
Im Neuenheimer Feld 230 
69122 Heidelberg

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Subject: Re: A typical Linux machine
From: dholland@scws3.harvard.edu (David Holland)
Date: 18 Dec 93 01:31:39


 > I installed Linux on a machine of a friend of mine which is
 > 386SX/20 with 2 MB RAM and 66 MB HD. When he compiles the
 > kernel, usually he starts in the morning before he leaves for
 > office, and it finishes when he comes home in the evening :-(.
 > BTW, xiafs is the best choice for 2 MB RAM.

My machine is a 386SX-20, but I guess 4 megs of RAM instead of 2 makes
all the difference: a kernel recompile takes about an hour, maybe a
bit more. 

--
   - David A. Holland             | Nobody ever went broke underestimating
     dholland@husc.harvard.edu    | the intelligence of the American public.

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From: gareth@gblinux.demon.co.uk (Gareth Bult)
Subject: Re: Linux Counter: The most popular dist
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 00:18:41 GMT

On 15 Dec 1993 21:01:59 GMT;                                                
----Harald T. Alvestrand (hta@uninett.no) said:                             

>  8   3.3%: lgx                                                            
>  1   0.4%: yggdrasil                                                      

Sorry, aren't Yggdrasil & LGX the same?
I saw "Yggdrasil Linux/Gnu/X" on the front of the distribution and sort of
assumed that LGX was short fot Yggdrasil....

Can you tell me who LGX are please?                                         

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From: adam@adam.yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
Subject: Re: AMD 486/40 - Not among supported hardware?
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 00:53:35 GMT

In article <1993Dec17.073929.5665@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>,
Dov Grobgeld <dov@menora.weizmann.ac.il> wrote:
>I just had a look at the HOWTO-Hardware list, and was surprised not
>to find the AMD 486/40 MHz chip on the list of supported CPU? Are
>there any indications that this chip does *not* work with Linux?
>I'd rather get this chip than the Intel 486, since it gives me
>more cream for the same price.

        Our FTP and mail server, yggdrasil.com, is an Am486DX-40.

-- 
Adam J. Richter                             Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
409 Evelyn Ave., Apt. 312, Albany CA 94706  4880 Stevens Creek Blvd., Suite 205
(510) 528-3209                              (408) 261-6630, fax: (408) 261-6631
adam@yggdrasil.com                          info@yggdrasil.som

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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux in a hospital?
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:16:32 GMT

gerd@alf.oche.de (Gerd Rausch) writes:

>In article <1993Dec17.160135.21071@taylor.wyvern.com> mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>>
>>We have run the whole hospital on a super-MPX Altos/SCO box now for
>>a year with no crashes, and that is with 100 users pounding on it 24 hours
>>a day.  I have not had as good luck with Linux, but it is definately
>>maturing.  It should make a good desktop OS, but still not a good choice
>>for commercial servers or multi-user boxes (this is just IMHO....)

>I'm just wondering if SCO is still as unsecure, as it has been the time I've
>been using it. Especially when it comes to an hospital with all its sensitive
>data. On an SCO-box it took me no longer than 10 seconds to gain root access,
>and nearly everybody in our department knew this. I think you can imagine,
>why I won't tell here in detail how to do this ...

And without telling the detail, I don't believe you- not the way you worded
it.  More than like the system was set up incorrectly and has nothing to
do with SCO.....

>I would be really pissed off, knowing some sensitive data of mine on a SCO box.

SCO is extremely reliable and secure.  You should feel more concerned with
those which maintain the box, not the OS.  This applies to any system.
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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux in a hospital?
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 23:22:21 GMT

misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) writes:

>We don't use Linux in a hospital. But we do use Linux in a commercial
>environment. Why shouldn't we? I don't see any differences between
>SCO and Linux.

You see Linux running commercial applications?  You see strategic support
environments for Linux?  You see consistant and complete documentation on
Linux?  You see company liability on Linux?  You see multiprocessing on
Linux?  You see etc, etc, etc...?

We don't;  I like Linux, but let's be realistic.

> You can buy support from a lot of companies and orga-
>nisations. We support most of them for free - just to push Linux.

Price is not really the issue.  Our OS cost over our whole system is
insignificant.

>What is the difference between a hospital and other companies?

Not terribly much.

> I don't
>think, that lifes will depend on the system, because in that case I
>wouldn't trust SCO or any other PC Unixsystem.

Then you have no idea about the various SCO boxes available, do you.....
We are not talking about clones.  Glance at the Altos 15000 or the new NCR's.

>So from my point of view: Linux is ok (running more than 60 days without
>rebooting in a commercial environment).

I don'tt think anyone is implying that Linux is not OK, but there are real
reasons why it is not always appropriate (yet) for mass commercial use.

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: _Real_ hackers ...
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:02:58 GMT

In article <2ekm66$jlt@kralizec.zeta.org.au>, nick@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Nick Andrew) says:
+---------------
| In <1993Dec10.175604.20518@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
| >Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
| >You guys use _terminals_?  Wow, what a bunch of namby-pamby wimps.
+---------------

No I didn't!  Correct attributions, please...  I've been leaving this one
alone except for the remark about using "cat" to hack binaries.  :-)

++Brandon
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Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
Do not taunt Happy Fun Coder.   (seen on the Net...)

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Windows emulation  wa
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 01:04:19 GMT

In article <1.331.2381.0N27AE52@satalink.com>, john.will@satalink.com (John Will) says:
+---------------
| CR>>Setup error.  Add an appropriate EMMexclude= command to system.ini to keep
| CR>That might help, but it's not my job.  They've got one system.ini that the
| CR>the whole PC network uses.
| 
| GAD!  The old "not my job" argument!  With that kind of attitude, it's
| not surprising that you have problems with any operating environment... :-)
+---------------

Anal-retentive sysadmins are *always* a problem... :-)

++Brandon


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of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
Do not taunt Happy Fun Coder.   (seen on the Net...)

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