Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #449
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Date:     Sun, 19 Dec 93 09:13:06 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #449, Volume #1                Sun, 19 Dec 93 09:13:06 EST

Contents:
  Re: Adaptec--1542C--Where to get? (Christian Pablo Tagtachian)
  Re: New Yggdrasil LGX boot floppy (Quy Tonthat)
  Re: Linux in a hospital? (Patrick J. Volkerding)
  Re: Windows emulation was Re: Microsoft Invented Inferior Personal C (Philippe Regnauld)
  HP Laserjet printing fix (Terrell Tucker)
  Re: New Yggdrasil LGX boot floppy (Adam J. Richter)
  Re: HD w/SB16 SCSI-II anyone? (Daniel V Toft)
  Re: Linux in a hospital? (Tim Smith)
  Booting Linux from Second HardDrive (Kendall Beaman)
  Good Joke (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
  FreeWAIS-0.2 on Linux (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: How do I get 'ps' to work? (Michael Buchenrieder)
  Re: Linux in a hospital? (Kai Petzke)
  Re: Windows emulation was Re: Microsoft Invented Inferior Personal C (Derek Fawcus)
  Re: GUS Sound Card - Anyone know... (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux in a hospital? (Rob Janssen)

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From: floyd@arthax.satlink.net (Christian Pablo Tagtachian)
Subject: Re: Adaptec--1542C--Where to get?
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 21:40:23 GMT

Chuck Meo (meo@solbourne.com) wrote:
: It looks to me like this controller is the way to go. Does anyone care
: to suggest what a reasonable price to pay for this thing might be and
: where?

One more question... is it SCSI or SCSI-II ? If it is just an SCSI.. is the
improvement of the II very important?
Thanks
Christian
<floyd@arthax.satlink.net> Buenos Aires, Argentina


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From: quy@qpdev.qp.oz.au (Quy Tonthat)
Subject: Re: New Yggdrasil LGX boot floppy
Date: 15 Dec 1993 17:45:10 GMT

>>>>> "Adam" == Adam J Richter <adam@yggdrasil.com> writes:
In article <CHowM8.4ME@khijol.yggdrasil.com> adam@yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter) writes:


>       The Revision B boot floppy for the Yggdrasil Fall 1993 release
> of LGX is now available by anonymous FTP from:

>               yggdrasil.com:pub/boot-floppies
> netcom.com:pub/yggdrasil/boot-floppies

>       These directories contain images of the high density (1.2MB)
> 5.25" boot diskette, the low density (720kB) 3.5" boot diskette, and
> the complete source tree for the new kernel.

Is this still on ?
I found only one file in yggdrasil.com:pub/boot-floppies,
it is 3.5" boot disk for Rev A !!!
--
=-=-=-=-=-==-=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    Quy Tonthat                         EMAIL: quy@qp.oz.au
    QP Computer Services                       quy@stone.oz.au
    N.S.W. Australia                           quy@van.oz.au
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-==-=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    Quy Tonthat                         EMAIL: quy@qp.oz.au
    QP Computer Services                       quy@stone.oz.au
    N.S.W. Australia                           quy@van.oz.au

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Subject: Re: Linux in a hospital?
From: volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Date: 18 Dec 93 21:31:04 -0500

In article <1993Dec18.232221.16910@taylor.wyvern.com> mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) writes:
>
>>We don't use Linux in a hospital. But we do use Linux in a commercial
>>environment. Why shouldn't we? I don't see any differences between
>>SCO and Linux.
>
>You see Linux running commercial applications?  You see strategic support
>environments for Linux?  You see consistant and complete documentation on
>Linux?  You see company liability on Linux?  You see multiprocessing on
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm sorry, but to my knowledge you don't get "company liability" from
anyone. Every commercial software license I've ever seen has disclaimed
every possible liability imaginable. I haven't read the one that comes
with SCO, but I'd be real surprised if it was any different.

Linux runs in one of the local hospitals. I understand it does quite well.

---
Patrick Volkerding
volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu 

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From: regnauld@imladris.frmug.fr.net (Philippe Regnauld)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.fan.mike-dahmus
Subject: Re: Windows emulation was Re: Microsoft Invented Inferior Personal C
Date: 18 Dec 1993 03:03:31 +0100

In <1993Dec16.122643.20539@worldbank.org> cedwards1@worldbank.org (Charles Edwards) writes:

>I really have to wonder what kind of environments some of you people are
>running. I run Windows in a moderately complex environment which includes
>Banyan Vines and TCP/IP. My major activities are software development, 
>e-mail and word processing and can't remember the last time I had a crash.
>I turn on my machine on Monday morning and turn it off on Friday evening
>without a single reboot in between.


                We call it perversion of the mind.

        
                                                        -- Phil
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
| The Census report, like most such surveys, had cost an awful lot of money  |
| and didn't tell anybody anything they didn't already know - except that    |
| every single person in the Galaxy had 2.4 legs and owned a hyena.          |
|                                                               - D. Adams   |
+---------------------+--------------------------------+---------------------+
                      |       Philippe Regnauld        |                      
                      | regnauld@imladris.frmug.fr.net |                      
                      +--------------------------------+                      

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Subject: HP Laserjet printing fix
From: ttucker@eis.calstate.edu (Terrell Tucker)
Date: 16 Dec 1993 22:47:43 -0800

        I found a solution to a problem HP Laserjet owners may encounter. 
My printer won't handle "cat miscfile >/dev/lp1" because of linefeed and
carriage return confusion.  I put his in my /etc/profile to fix things.

echo -e "\33&k3G" >/dev/lp1



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From: adam@adam.yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
Subject: Re: New Yggdrasil LGX boot floppy
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 04:37:51 GMT

In article <QUY.93Dec16034510@qpdev.qp.oz.au>,
Quy Tonthat <quy@qpdev.qp.oz.au> wrote:
>>>>>> "Adam" == Adam J Richter <adam@yggdrasil.com> writes:
>>      These directories contain images of the high density (1.2MB)
>> 5.25" boot diskette, the low density (720kB) 3.5" boot diskette, and
>> the complete source tree for the new kernel.
>
>Is this still on ?
>I found only one file in yggdrasil.com:pub/boot-floppies,
>it is 3.5" boot disk for Rev A !!!

        Huh?  Here's what I see:

adam.yggdrasil.com [3] ftp yggdrasil.com
Connected to yggdrasil.com.
220 ftp.yggdrasil.com FTP server (Version 5.60) ready.
Name (yggdrasil.com:adam): anonymous
Password (yggdrasil.com:anonymous): 
331 Guest login ok, send ident as password.
230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
ftp> cd pub/boot_floppies
250 CWD command successful.
ftp> dir
200 PORT command successful.
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls.
total 4586
-rw-r--r--   1 root     0            2171 Dec 13 17:59 README
-rw-r--r--   1 root     0          737280 Dec 13 18:00 bootflpy.3in.revA
-rw-r--r--   1 root     0          737280 Dec 13 18:00 bootflpy.3in.revB
-rw-r--r--   1 root     0         1228800 Dec 13 18:01 bootflpy.5in.revB
-rw-r--r--   1 root     0         1965673 Dec 13 18:01 bootflpy.revB.src.tar.gz
226 Transfer complete.
ftp> quit
221 Goodbye.
adam.yggdrasil.com [4] 

-- 
Adam J. Richter                             Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
409 Evelyn Ave., Apt. 312, Albany CA 94706  4880 Stevens Creek Blvd., Suite 205
(510) 528-3209                              (408) 261-6630, fax: (408) 261-6631
adam@yggdrasil.com                          info@yggdrasil.som

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From: dvtoft@iastate.edu (Daniel V Toft)
Subject: Re: HD w/SB16 SCSI-II anyone?
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 06:20:37 GMT

In <wongiCI78K5.8yz@netcom.com> wongi@netcom.com (Isaac Wong) writes:

>I heard the card uses the Adaptec 1522 chipset which is supposedly
>supported w/ patch. Has anyone actually got it going?

Just bear in mind that the SB16 SCSI-2 card does NOT
have boot ROMS, but in all other respects it uses the 1522 chipset.
You may be able to use drives along with the necessary kernel
patches, but you will not be able to boot drives off of your
SCSI port on the sound card.

-=- Dan



-- 
Dan Toft
Larch 7302 Hanson
Iowa State University

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From: tzs@stein3.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Linux in a hospital?
Date: 19 Dec 1993 06:56:12 GMT

Patrick J. Volkerding <volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu> wrote:
>>Linux?  You see company liability on Linux?  You see multiprocessing on
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I'm sorry, but to my knowledge you don't get "company liability" from
>anyone. Every commercial software license I've ever seen has disclaimed
>every possible liability imaginable. I haven't read the one that comes
>with SCO, but I'd be real surprised if it was any different.

Every commercial software license I've ever seen has ***tried*** to
disclaim every possible liability imaginable.  It is not at all clear
that they have succeeded, especially if it was a shrink-wrap license.

--Tim Smith

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From: beaman@andrews.edu (Kendall Beaman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Booting Linux from Second HardDrive
Date: 19 Dec 1993 08:04:34 GMT


-- 
==============================================================================
I don't mind what Congress does, as long as they don't do it in the
streets and frighten the horses.    -- Victor Hugo
                                                        beaman@andrews.edu

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From: a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
Subject: Good Joke
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 08:45:54 GMT

Please bear with me, first of all I am not good at telling jokes, and 
second it is not my joke, some guy over on the os2.advocacy newsgroup
had told it.  

A man dies and due to the fact that he once worked for Microsoft
gets his pick between hell and heaven.  The maintainer of purgatory
first takes him to hell.

In hell he sees life is like a beer commercial, people having a great
party by a pool, drinking, women, the works.  

Then he is taken to see what heaven looks like, there he finds people
sitting serenly in a park.  

"hmmmm" he says, "I think I will choose hell", heaven doesn't sound like much
fun.  
"So be it" said the purgatory maintainer and then he is dispatched to hell.

To his shock hell is not a beer commercial, 36 hour days doing menial labour,
nothing but Macs everywhere.    

He says to the purgatory mainainer,  "hey, this is nothing like what you
showed me!!!"
The maintainer smiled and said, "...oh, that was just the demo".


-- 
========================
a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu
Bikram Dhaliwal
(905) 845-4567

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From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
Subject: FreeWAIS-0.2 on Linux
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 09:42:28 GMT

I just compiled freeWais-0.2 on Linux and thought you might want
to know how it went:

1) Linux already has alphasort and scandir. Their prototypes (declared
in <dirent.h> clash with the implementations in .../lib.

        comment out alphasort.o scandir.o in Makefile

2) ir/futil.c needs <unistd.h> for R_OK.
3) ir/ir.c has its own alphasort. isolate with #ifdef linux
4) ir/waisserver.c Linux has no sigcontext. signal handlers need to be
changed. need to #ifdef SIGBUS (linux doesn't have it).

Zeyd

-- 
---
Zeyd M. Ben-Halim       zmbenhal@netcom.com
10479 1/4 Santa Monica Blvd, LA, CA, 90025 (310) 470-0281

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 11:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: mibu@scrum.greenie.muc.de (Michael Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: How do I get 'ps' to work?
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 08:55:06 GMT

rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:

>/proc          /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
>^^^^^          ^^^^^           ^^^^    ^^^^^^^^        ^       ^

>In /etc/rc, issue a "mount -a"

Isn't that

none    /proc   proc    defaults  

??
At least , that's how it is on my system (p12) . Works pretty well .

Michael
-- 
----
Michael Buchenrieder * mibu@scrum.greenie.muc.de 
Siegesstr. 11 , 80802 Munich , Bavaria , FRG 
Tel.:0049-89-394196 * FAX: 0049-89-398986

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From: wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Linux in a hospital?
Date: 19 Dec 1993 11:48:34 GMT

In <1993Dec18.232221.16910@taylor.wyvern.com> mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) writes:

>>We don't use Linux in a hospital. But we do use Linux in a commercial
>>environment. Why shouldn't we? I don't see any differences between
>>SCO and Linux.

>You see Linux running commercial applications?

In my case (I asked the original "Linux in a hospital?" question),
the computer is needed to run one application: mine, and with one
user at a given time.  No multi-user, high network load and all the
others, that crash Linux frquently.

>You see strategic support
>environments for Linux?

I hope, that the Free Software Foundation/Association (sorry, I do not know
the exact name) of Germany might be able to provide it.  Support for an
end user system, which you typically do not touch once it is installed
and running.

>You see consistant and complete documentation on
>Linux?

Complete documentation is impossible for anything.  The mags are full
of reports about hidden features of simple OS'es like DOS.

Consistent documentation requires you to not report any feature, and
is quite dependand on the distribution.  However, German documentation
for the beginning user is available.

>You see company liability on Linux?

I don't see liability on almost any system.  I have crashed workstations
from Sun and Siemens, I have found big bugs in Informix and Oracle.  The
two suns of the student computer pool at my university (from which I
post this from) keep crashing almost daily.  Etc., etc.

The only difference is, that any Linux error is reported at once to the
various newsgroups.  You see every problem that Linux has, but you do
not hear about the problems of the commercial *nixes.

The next difference is, that I have the source code available on Linux.
If a bad problem arises, I will typically be able to fix it within a
days, instead of waiting for a new release of ... for months.

>You see multiprocessing on
>Linux?  You see etc, etc, etc...?

In my case, I do not need it.

>> I don't
>>think, that lifes will depend on the system, because in that case I
>>wouldn't trust SCO or any other PC Unixsystem.

The system is for printing labels in a blood bank.  A system failure
wouldn't endanger anybody (they can return to writing labels from
hand).  The thing, that must not happen, are exchanged blood groups.
There are precautions in my system, like storing the blood group
several times in different tables, checksumming the blood group, etc.

>>So from my point of view: Linux is ok (running more than 60 days without
>>rebooting in a commercial environment).

>I don'tt think anyone is implying that Linux is not OK, but there are real
>reasons why it is not always appropriate (yet) for mass commercial use.

Mine is not mass commercial use.  It is a single database application,
running on two, later maybe four, hosts.  Of course, if that application
runs fine, I might think of selling it to others, too.

The real stupid thing is, that they bring up lots of arguments against
Linux being a "student operating system".  Well, I am not older than
Linus, and myself a student.
--
Kai
wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de
Advertisement by Microsoft in a well-known German magazine:
        If you don't like our programmes, then make your own ones.
However, they expect you to use Microsoft products for this -:)

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From: df@eyrie.demon.co.uk (Derek Fawcus)
Subject: Re: Windows emulation was Re: Microsoft Invented Inferior Personal C
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 00:23:00 +0000

In article <2esqa9$gbc@bera.ifi.uio.no> kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:
>
>In Linux, you just hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to one of the text consoles.
>The X Window System runs on top of an OS, and it isn't sensible for it
>to provide such features itself.

I know of at least one way to lockup X under Linux such that you can't
switch consoles:  hit ^Z as the server starts up.  I accidentally did
this once.

  However if you've got a terminal or network connecting then you can
recover from this condition.  (Although I didn't think of that 'till
after I rebooted the machine :-( )

DF
-- 
Derek Fawcus (G7FVS)                                df@eyrie.demon.co.uk

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: GUS Sound Card - Anyone know...
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 11:18:42 GMT

In <36Yr02M.599J01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> klm10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Kenneth L Mitchell) writes:

>>
>>Yes there are people who use GUS.

>Where can we find the drivers? tsx-11? sunsite?

>Sorry for wasting bandwidth with this, but I still go back to
>DOS (Yukk!) when I want to use my GUS.

The pl14 kernel includes the soundcard drivers by default.
You just have to enable them during "make config", and enter some
information about port, irq, dma.

In addition, you need a package called "Adagio" to play midi files, mod
files etc.
You can get Adagio at ftp.Hawaii.edu: /outgoing/adagio05.tar.gz.

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Linux in a hospital?
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 11:28:36 GMT

In <Dec.18.16.41.32.1993.21187@geneva.rutgers.edu> hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes:

>There's also a question about what happens when Linus graduates.  If
>the Finnish government is smart, they'll declare him a national
>resource and fund him to continue Linux.  But you never know.  It's
>possible that Linux could continue without him.  There are a number of
>very good people working on it.  It's also possible that users could
>move to the Hurd (if it ever exists).

What worries me more is "will Linus ever graduate"....   with such a large
project his studies may well suffer, and in the end we may be left with
a nice operating system but a person who has overrun the time allocated
for his study and no graduation...  That would be a high price to pay for
being famous.
Or maybe that cannot happen in Finland?

Rob
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