Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #451
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Mon, 20 Dec 93 04:13:06 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #451, Volume #1                Mon, 20 Dec 93 04:13:06 EST

Contents:
  Re: Windows emulation wa (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Linux in a hospital? (Per Andersson)
  CD-ROM Giveaway Winner Announcement (Michael R. Johnston)
  Re: Scanner for Linux ???? (Rick)
  Re: Where are the linux groups? (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: Linux in a hospital? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Windows emulation was Re: Microsoft Invented Inferior Personal C (Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account)
  Linux on CDROM or Disk, $29.99: *Only 7 Days Left* (linux@ditdah.Morse.Net)
  Re: Yet another benchmark results.. (Graham Mainwaring)
  Linux Installer/Programmer needed $35k USA (Peter Killcommons)
  DOS dying (Bruce Wielinga)
  Re: capturing boot messages ("Brian L. Heess")
  Want xterm replacement with low memory usage (Andrew McNamara)
  JANA - No Success :-( (Christian Huebner)
  Re: Linux in a hospital? (Frank Lofaro)
  Re: AMD 486/40 - Not among supported hardware? (Harald T. Alvestrand)

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Windows emulation wa
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 00:39:57 GMT

In article <1993Dec19.231018.24918@muug.mb.ca>, rgallen@muug.mb.ca (Rennie Allen) says:
+---------------
| In <1.294.2381.0N27AE50@satalink.com> john.will@satalink.com (John Will) writes:
| >like Borland C's IDE environment.  Another thing that kinda' gets me is
| >the relative speed of gcc as opposed to Borland's compile, there is a
| >significant difference... :-)  I'm going to take a look at UPS, maybe
| >that's an environment I can live with, maybe not...
| 
| As for the speed of Borland vs. Gcc, I don't use Gcc, but I understand that
| it is a highly optimizing compiler.  Borland certainly isn't.  So that would
| explain the speed difference.  I use Watcom C/C++ and it's much slower than
+---------------

Phil Karn just came to the same conclusion on the tcp-group mailing list,
after benchmarking a 386-mode program under gcc vs. under BCC 3.1.  (He's
looking for BCC 4.0 times now.)  He did observe that some of the speed
difference is the use of 386 overrides instead of fully native 386-mode code
by BCC 3.1 (I'll take his word on this; I only have BCC 3.0 locally, which
doesn't have 32-bit code generation, so I can't test it).

gcc is also something of a memory hog.  This is primarily because of the use
of large tables in memory to store optimization information; omitting -W* and
-O reduces gcc's memory use but produces rather poor code (-W* saves on tables
storing information for warnings in subsequent code, it doesn't affect the
generated code).  gcc -O on a system with only 4MB RAM will tend to thrash a
lot.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
Do not taunt Happy Fun Coder.   (seen on the Net...)

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From: ppan@celsiustech.se (Per Andersson)
Subject: Re: Linux in a hospital?
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 14:50:11 GMT

In article <sheldon.756161403@pv141b.vincent.iastate.edu> sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:
>
> I don't know if SCO is the best choice for your environment.  But I do
>think that SCO is a better choice than Linux considering your environment.
>-- 

It seems that all of you are assuming that there is no support available
for Linux. BUT - even in little Sweden there is a company selling proffesional
support for your Linux system (LGX). And as they are quite small, they are
quite responsive to their customers. Not every large company is, and they
often have resellers you have to go through, who doesn't understand what
you are complaining about, because of lack of Unix competence.
As long as I have professional (read competent) and it runs my application 
I wouldn't care what is was called.
-- 
=============================================================================
Per Andersson - ppan@celsiustech.se (perand@stacken.kth.se on free time)
Managing networks ( and occasionally SUNs) at, but not speaking for:
CelsiusTech AB, J{rf{lla, Sweden

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From: mjohnsto@ditdah.Morse.Net (Michael R. Johnston)
Subject: CD-ROM Giveaway Winner Announcement
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 22:26:17 GMT


We are pleased to announce the names of the winners of our Linux CD-ROM
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        Christian Moeller       i1101206@ws.rz.tu-bs.de
        Chris Shaulis           cjs@netcom.com
        John DeLaHunt           jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu
        Chris Swanson           cd@ssds.com

Each of them will receive a copy of our current Linux CDROM in addition to
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-- 
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mjohnsto@Morse.Net        Linux on Disk: linux@Morse.Net
Morse Telecommunications  Unlimited, flat-rate Usenet feeds: netinfo@Morse.Net

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From: pclink@qus102.qld.tne.oz.au (Rick)
Subject: Re: Scanner for Linux ????
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 00:23:55 GMT

hiro@halcyon.com (Hiroshi Umeda) writes:

>       Does someone know if any scanners are supported by Linux ??
>       Like, Logitech Scanman (?) or what ever the hand-scanner???

There is currently a driver for scanners that use the GS4500-type
engine.  It's available from sunsite.unc.edu as
/pub/Linux/kernel/misc-patches/scanner-1.0.tar.gz.  J|rgen Weigert
(jnweiger@uni-erlangen.de) has a driver for Mustek scanners.  Andreas
Matthias (amatthi1@gwdg.de) was working on a driver for a Logitech
ScanMan 32 some time ago, btu I haven't head from him in a while.  Try
contacting Andreas and see if he's ready to release his code.

Rick.

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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: Where are the linux groups?
Date: 19 Dec 1993 23:26:23 GMT

Ce brave Holger Wirtz ecrit:

> Sorry, but I havn't read this group for a few weeks and I wonder why there are
> so few articles around. Is there a new group?
> (Please post only one article and don't Email :-)

There are a lot of articles in the comp.os.linux.*  groups every day.
Perhaps your feed has some problems...

--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux in a hospital?
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 23:44:18 GMT

volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu (Patrick J. Volkerding) writes:

>In article <1993Dec18.232221.16910@taylor.wyvern.com> mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>>misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) writes:
>>
>>>We don't use Linux in a hospital. But we do use Linux in a commercial
>>>environment. Why shouldn't we? I don't see any differences between
>>>SCO and Linux.
>>
>>You see Linux running commercial applications?  You see strategic support
>>environments for Linux?  You see consistant and complete documentation on
>>Linux?  You see company liability on Linux?  You see multiprocessing on
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>I'm sorry, but to my knowledge you don't get "company liability" from
>anyone. Every commercial software license I've ever seen has disclaimed
>every possible liability imaginable.

In the US, as hard as you may try, you can't really dismiss all liability,
no matter how hard you try.  Besides, there is a psudo-liability based
on future sales which could hang in the balance when too many people
are dissatisfied.

>Linux runs in one of the local hospitals. I understand it does quite well.

Not running any commercial software....
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.wyvern.com   .uucp |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: ctwilson@rock.concert.net (Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.fan.mike-dahmus
Subject: Re: Windows emulation was Re: Microsoft Invented Inferior Personal C
Date: 20 Dec 1993 01:45:19 GMT

In article <1993Dec18.171308.2383@lisse.NA>,
Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
>reedp@corp.hp.com (Perry Reed) writes:
>
>>BTW, my PC with Windows, I must reboot every night or it will crash, but my
>>workstation with HP-UX normally stays up for several weeks or months with no
>>problems...
>
>Yeah, but you *WORK* for HP. The man in Seattle can easily keep the
>session running for weeks on end :-)-O.

Well, I work with both (and work for neither HP nor MS), and I'll take
HP-UX over that excuse for a GUI/OS (pick your poison :) any day of the week.
>
>el
>-- 
>Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse   \         /                 Windhoek Central Hospital
><el@lisse.NA>            \ *      |  Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology
>Private Bag 13215         \      /  61 203 2106/7 (Bleeper)  61 224014 (home)
>Windhoek, Namibia         ;____/


-- 
/-----------------------------------------------------------------------\
|  Tom Wilson                      |  "I can't complain, but sometimes  |
|  ctwilson@rock.concert.net       |   I still do."                     |
|                                  |                -Joe Walsh          |

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Subject: Linux on CDROM or Disk, $29.99: *Only 7 Days Left*
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From: graham@octogard.ocunix.on.ca (Graham Mainwaring)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Yet another benchmark results..
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:22:19 EST
Reply-To: graham@octogard.ocunix.on.ca

carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:

> Why is it that folks who put their faith in benchmarks are generally
> clueless?

Because benchmarks are generally meaningless. (Not just this one, all of
them.)


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From: nexsys@well.sf.ca.us (Peter Killcommons)
Subject: Linux Installer/Programmer needed $35k USA
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 03:44:22 GMT


I am looking for linux programmers in the USA to install systems.
Prefer folks with background in hardware drivers. Positions based in San
Francisco, and New York available immediately. Starting Salary commensurate
with experience. Email nexsys@well.com Positions available immediately.

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From: wielinga@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au (Bruce Wielinga)
Subject: DOS dying
Date: 20 Dec 1993 05:11:00 GMT

This thread seems to be a good place to tell this tale.
I have a 486/33 machine with what I think is a hardware fault.
However it is intermittent and although sometimes it would kill dos every
minute or so I would go away whenever I had I good look for it.

Well I got done and installed Linux on it one day, expecting real trouble
with is hanging all the time and ...guess what? I has not hung sine. This is
since before mid year and so is a good six months. Any one have any ideas on
whats going on? I would have though that a OS like linux would make a much
bigger demand on a machine than dos and so crash more often.

Bruce.

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From: "Brian L. Heess" <bheess@cheshire.oxy.edu>
Subject: Re: capturing boot messages
Date: 20 Dec 1993 01:50:12 -0500
Reply-To: bheess@cheshire.oxy.edu

On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Louis J. LaBash Jr. wrote:

| >I remember in some earlier version of UNIX there was a file which was
| >created on every boot which contained all of the boot time messages (for
| >later reference).
| 
| Yes, look for "/usr/adm/messages", or use "find".
|   find / -name messages -print

Louis,

Thanks, but, that file doesn't exist in /usr/adm, and the one in /usr/bin
notifies you if you have e-mail. <grin>

/proc/kmem MAY be something I need to figure out how to check out again
(it used to work).  Also, some of the info I am looking for can be found
in /usr/adm/kernel, but not quite the stuff I really need to
debug/investigate.

Thanks!

-Brian
--
                  Brian L. Heess, Los Angeles, CA, USA
                      ex-Xircom Network Engineer
         bheess@cheshire.oxy.edu  Wk: /dev/null  Hm: 213-256-2227 
"That's like having a little fun with a defective blow-torch!" - Clarissa




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From: andrewm@sleeper.apana.org.au (Andrew McNamara)
Subject: Want xterm replacement with low memory usage
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 03:00:11 GMT

Can anyone suggest a replacement for xterm that uses less memory?
Why does it use so much memory anyway?
-- 
                                       Andrew McNamara
                                       andrewm@sleeper.apana.org.au

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From: crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Christian Huebner)
Subject: JANA - No Success :-(
Date: 20 Dec 1993 08:09:15 +0100

Three weeks ago I received Your e-mail, saying that You sent me a CD.
I cannot imagine mail takes three weeks to arrive at my home in Germany 
when sent from the USA. Your first two CDs arrived each within a few days 
from the day You sent them. Other letters/parcels I received from the USA
also took no more than a few days.

So I think either You lost my address again (but then You lied to me in 
Your mail saying You sent the disc) or You are not willing to fulfill 
Your side of the contract. I cannot see any reason for You to flame other 
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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: Linux in a hospital?
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 08:28:34 GMT

In article <2f1f2i$d9l@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke) writes:
>
>The system is for printing labels in a blood bank.  A system failure
>wouldn't endanger anybody (they can return to writing labels from
>hand).  The thing, that must not happen, are exchanged blood groups.
>There are precautions in my system, like storing the blood group
>several times in different tables, checksumming the blood group, etc.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, using a CRC would be _MUCH_ better.
Checksums aren't as strong as one would hope.
E.g. exchanged bytes don't phase a checksum check, but a CRC might spot it.

Heck, I only trust critical data to CRC's (like gzip or kermit block 3 setting).

Also be very wary of possible loss of data integrity of RAM.
Make sure you have data integrity/consistency tests on data in memory.

Also, make sure your PC is in good shape. (no hidden/subtle problems).

I hope this is helpful.


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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: AMD 486/40 - Not among supported hardware?
Date: 20 Dec 1993 09:00:42 GMT

The Linux Counter has registered both AMD and Cyrix chips, both
in 386 and 486 versions (+ something called a "viglen" - is that a cpu?)

I think it's not mentioned because few people care.
-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
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