Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #601
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Date:     Thu, 27 Jan 94 17:44:50 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #601, Volume #1                Thu, 27 Jan 94 17:44:50 EST

Contents:
  Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite (Superuser)
  Re: NEC CDR-25 (Jim Gifford)
  Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite (Bill Gribble)
  Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite (Lars Wirzenius)
  Re: GPL and CDROM Gripes... (Bill Pechter)
  Re: Does anyone use Linux for REAL WORLD commercial applications? (H. Peter Anvin)
  CAS for Linux (Benno Fuchssteiner)
  CAS for Linux (Benno Fuchssteiner)
  Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Pass (Bill C. Riemers)
  MSDOS Better than Linux (Davin George)
  port DOS games to Linux..? (Mike Wanggaard)
  Re: Sounds for Mosaic in Linux (Jan van Oorschot)
  Re: Intel Ethernet Express - need advice on checking it (John Fauerbach)
  Re: Archives of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion? (UQAL056@FRMOP22.CNUSC.FR)
  CD ROM information wanted for HOW-TO (Daniel Damon Roscigno)
  Emacs-Problems (Ralf Schroers)
  fflush()/gcc (Michel Anders)
  Re: Informal POLL: What do you use Linux for? (Jeff Randall)
  Re: How much disk for Slackware 1.1.1 (Scott Derrick)
  Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite (Bernd Wiebelt)
  Re: new shadow-3.3.1 patches (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Solitaire ? (Frank M. Haynes)
  Re: Linux vs. NetBSD (Ian McCloghrie)

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From: root@bsd.coe.montana.edu (Superuser)
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite
Date: 25 Jan 1994 20:15:11 GMT

In article <1994Jan24.010925.6567@rpp386>,
John F. Haugh II <jfh@rpp386.cactus.org> wrote:
>In article <2huf37$hpc@pdq.coe.montana.edu> nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu (Nate Williams) writes:
>>Please explain in public your problems with the BSD copyright.
>
>I got this by mail and responded, I'll respond more here.
>
>>The BSD copyright says basically:
>>1) This is copyrighted
>>2) You can do anything you want with this but claim you wrote it.
>>
>>That's pretty much it.  That means you can't force folks to send you bug
>>reports or send you money to distribute it (for profit or for free).
>
>It's actually much more involved than that

Hmm, I've read it and reread time and time again and it your 
'much more involved' is much less involved than your copyright.

1) This is copyrighted. - You have to inform folks who wrote it in 
   your distributions, both binary and source.

This is one line in the FreeBSD release notes.

2) You can re-distribute it in binary and/or source form given you
   follow step 1.

3) You can't use the author's name to promote the product w/out permission
   from the author.  

No other restrictions on redistribution, the only other statement
basically absolves the author from any liability from using the
software.

Vs.
>       .\" Use, duplication, and disclosure prohibited without
>       .\" the express written permission of the author.

Hmm, no asking for permission to distribute, patch, make money from,
be nice to, etc...


Nate

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From: jgifford@thor.fcs.uga.edu (Jim Gifford)
Subject: Re: NEC CDR-25
Date: 26 Jan 1994 20:13:38 GMT

In article <2i5tua$jek@clarknet.clark.net> kenf@clark.net (Ken Firestone) writes:

   : +---------------
   : | The trick is to disable the parity check on the controller(I think that 
   : | was it) as the NEC cdr25 doesn't support it. 
   : +------------->8

   : I didn't see that in the manual... then again, it was a reconditioned unit and
   : probably some manuals were missing.  (The CDR-25, that is.)

   : It did lock the bus while it was busy, though.... maybe it's not as noticeable
   : if the parity check is turned off, but personally I would prefer error
   : detection.

   It wasn't in the manual. After a very frustrating weekend, I called NEC 
   and a tech type there told me to do it. I was worried about the error 
   detection too, but I was told it wouldn't be a problem. perhaps some 
   other less efficient errordetection is used. Now if I can figure out how 
   to disable parity on my 1542a which I don't have a manual for, we'll see 
   if linux supports that too.

I read it in the OS/2 install manual.  For jumper settings for the AHA
series, call 18005551212 and ask for the number for NEC FaxFacts.  You
go through a menu and tell it what number to fax to, and voila,
instant docs!

Jim


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From: bgribble@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu (Bill Gribble)
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite
Date: 26 Jan 1994 23:55:58 GMT

In article <1994Jan26.145025.7046@rpp386>,
John F. Haugh II <jfh@rpp386.cactus.org> wrote:
>To the best of my knowledge, Debian Linux is one such example.  They
>took Shadow code, and in violation of the copyright, sold that code
>to others.  Furthermore, they have been completely unwilling to reach
>any terms as to licensing Shadow.

This is false.  Debian has not even been released yet, except to the
developers, and not a single copy has been sold to anyone, Shadow
or not.  

Additionally, due to the dispute over Shadow's licensing, it has been 
removed from the most recent beta version of Debian.  Your insinuations
that there's criminal activity or intent here are ludicrous.

Bill Gribble

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 22:59:34 GMT

In article <1994Jan26.145025.7046@rpp386>, jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) says:
+---------------
| To the best of my knowledge, Debian Linux is one such example.  They
+------------->8

Excuse me?  Debian shouldn't be being sold, since it's not even available
except to beta-testers as yet.  (Anyone selling it deserves what they get...)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca

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From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite
Date: 27 Jan 1994 01:48:20 +0200

jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
> To the best of my knowledge, Debian Linux is one such example.  They
> took Shadow code, and in violation of the copyright, sold that code
> to others.

To the best of my knowledge, Debian Linux is not even in beta yet.  It
is distributed via a private directory on an ftp site.  I _really_ doubt
anyone is selling it, or that anyone has ever sold a single copy of it.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
Humans are unreliable, computers are non-deterministically reliable.

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From: pechter@i4got.lakewood.com (Bill Pechter)
Subject: Re: GPL and CDROM Gripes...
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 13:29:40 GMT

In article <1994Jan21.085126.21756@cm.cf.ac.uk>,
Paul <paul@myrddin.isl.cf.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <CJqorM.LD@i4got.lakewood.com> pechter@i4got.lakewood.com (Bill Pechter) writes:
>
>>NetBSD supports the same binaries as BSDI's port -- so I can lift compiled 
>>stuff from my two friends who run BSDI and port stuff for me.
>
>Actually, FreeBSD can too. All three NetBSD/FreeBSD and BSDI have common 
>executable formats.

Not version 1.0R with the 1.0.2 patches.  The new binary format is in 
FreeBSD-current - which isn't available by CDROM yet.  When the update
comes out on tape or CD I'll pick it up. My internet connectivity is in
pretty sorry shape.

Bill
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From: hpa@hook.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: Does anyone use Linux for REAL WORLD commercial applications?
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 01:34:43 GMT

In article <1994Jan24.211135.26562@unisup1.mpd.co.za>,
Aris Stathakis <aris@unisup1.mpd.co.za> wrote:
>I'd be curious to know if anyone was using or had 'sold' linux into a
>commercial environment.  A friend of mine is thinking of writing an
>application, but was thinking against doing it on UNIX because of
>the usual OS costs.  But now, with Linux, his product can be more
>of a reality.
>
>Does anyone else use Linux for end-user applications?

End-user yes; not a whole lot of commercial applications have been
prepared for Linux (many commercial software developers tend to have
natural dislike/suspicions against free software), the by far most
withspread/successful is probably the port of the Motif GUI.

>What are the legalities with using Linux for end-user applications?

You must provide your applications in a way that permits users to
re-link with a newer version of the library.  This is not a problem if
you are using C, since the Linux C library is a drop-in-replacement
dynamic object.  Just make sure you link your application dynamically
and with ld.so.  (Note: you want to do this *anyway*).

If you are using C++, it is more of a problem, however, since the
Linux C++ library (g++) is *not* dynamic yet.  The way to do this most
easily is probably to ship your application as a .a file, and provide
your users with a Makefile so that they can type "make install" and
have the application automatically linked for them.  That way it will
link with their version of the g++ library and they can upgrade the
library independently as required.  (A lot of Linux software was
actually distributed this way before HLU & co came up with jumptables
and dynamic linking.)  This applies to you are using any libraries
that doesn't have a .sa file in /usr/lib.  (.sa files are the dynamic
stub libraries, .a files are static libraries)

        /hpa

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From: Benno Fuchssteiner <benno@uni-paderborn.de>
Subject: CAS for Linux
Date: 26 Jan 1994 17:38:41 GMT

Reply to article Article: 9759 of sci.math.symbolic
by   Sakari Aaltonen   <sakaria@vipunen.hut.fi>

Dear Colleague Aaltonen,

I read your report

>I *got* MuPAD two months ago. Finding it wouldn't do any graphics, I
emailed
>a bug report to the address given.
> 
>I have never had a reply.
> 
>Neither have I tried using MuPAD again.
 
in the news. We are sorry about the disappointment you had when reporting
a bug to MuPAD. However, I checked all our files, in none of them I could
find your report. So, I guess, we never received it, it must have gotten
lost in the universe of the Internet. 
  Generally, we answer to bug-questions (most of them are not reports but
just misunderstandings) in between a day and a week (depending on the
gravity of the problem and our schedules). 
  I am not aware of any major problems with the graphics on LINUX, so
please send your report again. Graphics usually is that part of MuPAD,
which a lot of our customers like most.

Yours sincerely Benno Fuchssteiner

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From: Benno Fuchssteiner <benno@uni-paderborn.de>
Subject: CAS for Linux
Date: 26 Jan 1994 17:40:17 GMT

Reply to article Article: 9759 of sci.math.symbolic
by   Sakari Aaltonen   <sakaria@vipunen.hut.fi>

Dear Colleague Aaltonen,

I read your report

>I *got* MuPAD two months ago. Finding it wouldn't do any graphics, I
emailed
>a bug report to the address given.
> 
>I have never had a reply.
> 
>Neither have I tried using MuPAD again.
 
in the news. We are sorry about the disappointment you had when reporting
a bug to MuPAD. However, I checked all our files, in none of them I could
find your report. So, I guess, we never received it, it must have gotten
lost in the universe of the Internet. 
  Generally, we answer to bug-questions (most of them are not reports but
just misunderstandings) in between a day and a week (depending on the
gravity of the problem and our schedules). 
  I am not aware of any major problems with the graphics on LINUX, so
please send your report again. Graphics usually is that part of MuPAD,
which a lot of our customers like most.

Yours sincerely Benno Fuchssteiner

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From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Pass
Date: 26 Jan 94 15:43:06 GMT

In article <1994Jan26.130623.4544@cee.hw.ac.uk> phyjab1@phy.hw.ac.uk writes:
::The fact remains -- several people took code which did not belong to
::them and sold it against the wishes of the owner.  I don't care what
::you call "Linux".  I call what was done "theft".

:Strange definition of theft. Theft is the *illegal* taking of something.
:If someone puts restrictions on something, with a specific intention
:in mind, and then someone finds a way do what those restrictions
:are intended to prevent without breaking the very same restrictions,
:then they are not guilty of theft, they have found a loop hole; thats
:all.

I think you missed the point that at least in the U.S. copyright laws
are based in intent, not wording.  This means that even if I include
no copyright notice I still have a copyright and can place any restrictions
on things I write that I want.  Likewise, at any given time I can change
the copyright to anything that I've already copyrighted.  The only restriction
is that I can not sue for monetary compensation for anything that is done
before I make the new terms of the copyright clear...  So if you are selling
software the author doesn't want you to sell, you are violating his/her
copyright.  If you know the author doesn't want you to sell the software then
you can be sued for big bucks.  If you don't know that the author doesn't want
you to sell the software, then the law suite can only change your future
actions.

Unfortunately, few authors understand the above point, and even fewer can
afford a lawyer to enforce action when the distributor becomes non-cooperative.
One easy way to avoid this problem is to use the GNU copyright, so that you
can get the Free Software Foundation to take the action necessary to enforce
your copyright.  (Note: In doing so you may be giving up your rights to change
your copyright just as if you had sold your rights to someone else...)

                                Bill


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From: davin.george@welcom.gen.nz (Davin George)
Subject: MSDOS Better than Linux
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 04:47:00 GMT


JD>In terms of real world work you lusers should realise that MS-DOS and
JD>MS-Windows is far better than some half assed Unix toy, get a life and
JD>pay for your software like everyone else you spongers.

MSDOS - Great for the SIMPLETON!!! You're not by any chance running
windows 2.0 are you - I hear 3.0 and 3.1 are probably a little bit
advanced for you. What dos are you running - 2.1 or have you advanced to
3.2. When you know what you're talking about come back and visit. Also I
think you'll find theres actually alot of us who've brought the software
in some form or other. You didn't BORROW your dos did you - you did
actually buy it - we believe you. You're not running ANY illegel copies of
software that you BORROWED from work at all are you. You didn't BORROW
that game of a friend either did YOU!!!



    WinQwk 2.0 a#0

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From: wanggaar@nicmad.uucp (Mike Wanggaard )
Subject: port DOS games to Linux..?
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:19:11 GMT


After recently receiving a copy of DOOM, I began to wonder what it would take
to port a game of that magnitude to Linux native.  It seems so painful to
think that they are both running on the same instruction set, and yet I
can't run DOOM from within Linux.

I am looking for any insight on the topic; I have very little programming
experience in Unix (and none in DOS) but I am interested in at least a 
superficial way.  The following is a list of questions I think explain my
question a little better:

How does multitasking affect game programming?

How would the executable format of DOS vs. Linux affect things?

What about the DOS API (I think I have heard that DOS has an API)?

Would packages such as SVGALIB or VGALIB be able to provide the necessary
graphics routines (or perhaps even better)?

What problems is DOSEMU facing that don't allow this to happen (actually, I
have only assumed that DOSEMU can't deal with resource intensive games, and
I also in no way mean to flame DOSEMU)?

Am I mistaken in believing that no Linux games have been developed?
(I know about xtetris and mahjongg; I mean big games like this...)

On a side note...what is the DOSextender of DOOM doing?

Thanks in advance.

Mike Wanggaard
wanggaar@nicolet.com
wanggaar@en.ecn.purdue.edu



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From: etstjan@dutepp2.et.tudelft.nl (Jan van Oorschot)
Subject: Re: Sounds for Mosaic in Linux
Date: 26 Jan 1994 12:35:18 GMT

genie@scam.Berkeley.EDU (Gene Choi) writes:


>I have a quick question that someone who's familiar with the sound
>parts of Linux can answer.  I am running Mosaic 2.0 (i.e. xmosaic)
>and wish to play the sound hyperlinks.  I have the Sound driver
>2.0 installed into my linux 0.99pl14o kernel.  Everything works
>fine.  I have str, tracker, wavplay, vplay compiled to play my
>sound stuff.  However, NCSA Mosaic looks for a program called
>"showaudio" that I guess is what's available on Sparcstations
>(I think most of the sounds are in Sun au format?).  If this is the
>case, I have yet to find one good on-the-fly au player (sure there's
>sox but you need to convert files from au format to xx format manually).
>Is there such a program called "showaudio" or a clone of it which
>can read raw and au format sounds?

i did the following:

        - create the /dev/audio device (can play .au files)
        - create a script "showaudio" in /usr/local/bin

what i would like to know is how to overwrite the 'showaudio, and have mosaic 
use an other name. Somewhere in the Changes file i found there is
and X-resource for the, but i have not been able to get it working.

Jan
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From: jfauerba@aurora.ncdc.noaa.gov (John Fauerbach)
Subject: Re: Intel Ethernet Express - need advice on checking it
Date: 26 Jan 1994 11:59:01 -0500

If anyone gets linux to work on this card, let me know.  We have several
PC with this card that we can't use for linux.

Thanks,
John Fauerbach

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:21:18 EST
Subject: Re: Archives of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion?
From: UQAL056@FRMOP22.CNUSC.FR
Reply-To: uqal056@frmop22.cnusc.fr

In article <tgmCJxKpC.4rC@netcom.com>,
tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams) writes:

>Gary Shea (shea@hawk.cs.ukans.edu) wrote:
>: Did anyone archive the discussion between Linus Torvalds
>: and Andrew Tanenbaum that apparently took place as
>: Linux was being developed?
>: I'm curious what they had to say.
>
>I believe that the comp.os.minix group is archived at James Madison
>University but I don't have an address. Ask in comp.os.minix
>
>Thomas

I know this discussion is archived at ftp.ibp.fr in the file:
/pub/linux/vrac/Linux_obsolete.gz
I don't know about an american site; this is in France.
DATA.28

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From: ddr@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Daniel Damon Roscigno)
Subject: CD ROM information wanted for HOW-TO
Date: 26 Jan 1994 08:27:49 GMT

  I am collecting information for a HOW-TO covering CD installation and use
with Linux.  If you use a CD send me the brand/model and what patches (if
any ) were needed to install it.  If you had any special hoops to jump
through let me know about that also.
  If you are mounting the CD and using it as a file system let me know
what runs well for you and what does not, again if there are any special
procedures you had to follow to work out the kinks mail them in and we can
make the information available.
  Lastly, if you are a distributor of Linux on CD send me your installation
notes, with or without a CD, and I will include information regarding purchase
price etc for your company.

mail to:
ddr@cis.ufl.edu

Dan.

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From: Ralf.Schroers@gmd.de (Ralf Schroers)
Subject: Emacs-Problems
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:10:42 GMT


After installing Slackware 1.1.1 emacs doesn't open a new window under
xfree 2.0 and all windows managers. The term-variable is set to
xterm. This problem was not under Slackeware 1.1.0. What could be the
reson for this?

Thanks for any help.

Ralf.Schroers@gmd.de


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From: michela@sci.kun.nl (Michel Anders)
Subject: fflush()/gcc
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:19:08 GMT

it turned out i drink too much :-( it was a bug in MY program after all

It is nice to see how many people offered serious help/advice though. 

sorry for caused trouble, M.


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From: randall@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Randall)
Subject: Re: Informal POLL: What do you use Linux for?
Date: 26 Jan 1994 18:48:08 GMT
Reply-To: jrandall@uiuc.edu (Jeff Randall)

T. Daniel Crawford <crawdad@smerdis.ccqc.uga.edu> wrote:
>Linux Users:
>
>       This is an informal poll on this newsgroup intended to find out what
>this operating system is used for, in general.  This poll is prompted by the
>numerous discussion of what one can do with some OS's but not with others.
>So, please respond to me, either via e-mail, or to this group (if you think
>people would be interested in your response).  I will try to give a short
>description of the responses after about a week.  
>
>       So, please, tell me what you use your Linux box for.  I really want
>to know!


I've used Linux at home to provide a programming environment for my CS classes,
as well as explore the problems inherent in setting up and administering a
UN*X box from scratch (started with MCC 0.96c+ and have built from there).

I don't generally write my programs on the linux box, more often I will SLIP
in and open 5-8 sessions on the remote machine, using VCs and selection to 
cut&paste the new functions to the interpreter (last two semesters have been
LISP variations).

-- 
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From: scot@as215-ws-11.ucsc.edu (Scott Derrick)
Subject: Re: How much disk for Slackware 1.1.1
Date: 26 Jan 1994 19:06:57 GMT
Reply-To: scot@cats.ucsc.edu


   In article <SCOT.94Jan24210826@am.ucsc.edu>,
   Scott Derrick <scot@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote, in its entirety:
   >like I thought, just an OS. 

   Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse meeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

   Just because I find a system usable without the overgrown porkers you seen to 
   think are neceessary does not mean that you have any call to feel superior.

   You miss the point completely: Linux can be a usable system in a small amount 
   of disk. It's not the luxurious environment you seem to feel is absolutely 
   necessary in order to get anything done at all, but, then again, YOU DON'T 
   KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL POSTER'S REQUIREMENTS ARE!!!! (Or mine, for that 
   matter.) Different people have different amounts of system that they need to 
   think something is usable. Instead of making elitist comments, I was trying to 
   help the guy decide if Linux was for him. My point, which you seem to have 
   ignored completely, is that he may well be able to get a system he can use if 
   he's careful what he puts on his disk.


Sure, and you could have a "complete" DOS system , network aware with
less than 4meg of disk space, and less than 640k memory. I think that
most folks would want more than that though. 


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From: bernd@iamk4515.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernd Wiebelt)
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite
Date: 27 Jan 1994 01:29:38 GMT

John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386) wrote:
: In article <1994Jan22.202454.19022@newstand.syr.edu> lruppert@iguana.syr.EDU (Ludwig Van.) writes:
: >Clarity on this one would be appreciated.  Theft is a pretty strong
: >term.  Exactly what was "stolen", and to whom was it sold?  I have a

: To the best of my knowledge, Debian Linux is one such example.  They
: took Shadow code, and in violation of the copyright, sold that code
: to others.  Furthermore, they have been completely unwilling to reach
: any terms as to licensing Shadow.

To the best of my knowledge, Debian is still in BETA-test and
has never been sold. As of the current version of Debian, 
shadow-passwords were removed, and are not likely to be seen
again, until someone completely rewrites the code.

Let me say that I respect the reasons for copyrighting your code
the way you did. It is ok to refrain others from gaining money
by the work you did. I appreciate that you are giving the 
net-community your code for free.

This is not the first problem which arises from the copyright
someone claims to have over parts of linux-distributions, nor
will it be the last. 

The problem with your copyright is that it does not work
for the linux-community. There is a reason that most
linux-software is under the GPL: people can do whatever
they want to do with it, as long as source code is included.
If someone wants to, he can sell emacs-source for $1.000.000.
If you think about it, that might be the reason why
GNU-software is very popular. And that might be the reason
for the success of linux in general.

There are many people developping for linux, and most of
them are giving their work away under the GPL. They might
as well consider to copyright their work the way you did.
What would become of linux then? 
I doubt there would be any CD-ROMS for those non-netters,
because no distributor would like to ask two dozen
developpers for their permission.

Considering this, you should not think anyone is
'threatening' you to remove shadow passwords from
his distribution. They just do not fit in.

Ciao Bernd


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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: new shadow-3.3.1 patches
Date: 27 Jan 94 02:51:02 GMT

In article <1994Jan26.150155.7412@rpp386>, jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) says:
+---------------
| As for a GPL'd version of Shadow, have at it.  Shadow has been
| around for 6 years and only recently has anyone seen a need for a
| GPL'd version of the code.  I suspect that once everyone gets over
+------------->8

Only recently have you gotten uptight about it, from what I've seen...

| GPL'd version of shadow will die down.  None of the BSD code in
| Linux is GPL'd and I don't see people calling for the complete
| re-write of all the code from BSD that is included.
+------------->8

Stick around another few months... the topic *does* come up periodically.

++Brandon
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"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca

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From: frank@vatmom.COM (Frank M. Haynes)
Subject: Solitaire ?
Date: 27 Jan 94 04:44:03 GMT

The only reason I use MS windows is for Solitaire.

Is it available for X-windows?

Thanks.

--Frank
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From: imcclogh@cs.ucsd.edu (Ian McCloghrie)
Subject: Re: Linux vs. NetBSD
Date: 27 Jan 94 05:13:08 GMT

rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) writes:

>> This [386BSD] is what I consider a very workable and stable network system. 
>> Linux, however, still has many problems with its networking code.
>> The reason being is the networking code in Linux was written from
>> scratch, and it's experiencing the problems that BSD has had/fixed
>> over the last 10 years.

>But BSD source is free isn't it?  Why don't the linux network code
>developers simply copy it out?

Couple of reasons I can think of.  For one, it might well be more work
to port existing code to work with a completely different OS than to
just write it from scratch (though given the amount of time that's gone
into it thus far, I admit this seems unlikely).

For another, and somewhat more importantly, the status of the BSD
networking code was, a year ago (and still is to a certain degree, I
think) unsure.  USL claimed, in their lawsuit against BSDI and CSRG,
that the BSD code contained USL proprietary information and was
therefore not distributable.  If this lawsuit had gone the way they
wanted it to, it could have made Net/2, BSDI, 386BSD, etc impossible
to distribute without a 32V source license.  If Linux had contained
BSD networking code, Linux could've been in the same boat.
Fortunately, it looks as if the case has been all but thrown out.

(Actually, I believe the SLIP header compression code *is* from BSD)

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