Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #608
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Linux-Misc Digest #608, Volume #1                Fri, 28 Jan 94 08:13:06 EST

Contents:
  Re: Upper Memory Blocks ?? (khockenb@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu)
  Which distribution for a newbie
  Re: Slackware needs a shadow package! (Lars Wirzenius)
  Upgrade path? (Paul Tomblin)
  Re: accessing DD MS-DOS floppies (Martien Hulsen)
  Re: Does the Mitsumi 2xSpeed CD-ROM work with Linux? (Daniel Newcombe #6)
  Re: new shadow-3.3.1 patches (Daniel Quinlan)
  Cannot start X server because fixed fonts are not found (Ivan Chow)
  Re: Help on interpreting GNU license and restriction (Remco Treffkorn)
  Re: Lisp anyone? How about CMU Lisp? Garnet? (Paul Mantyla)
  Re: Another question Re: Sounds for Mosaic in Linux (Thomas Boutell)
  Re: port DOS games to Linux..? (Christian Holtje)
  Re: Slackware needs a shadow package! (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: Clock runs slow under Linux (Peter Dalgaard SFE)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Does the Mitsumi 2xSpeed CD-ROM work with Linux? (Jon Tombs)
  Q: SNMP Server for Linux (Roger Vaughn)

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From: khockenb@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu
Subject: Re: Upper Memory Blocks ??
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 02:23:52 GMT

In article <2i954s$970@europa.eng.gtefsd.com>, niemidc@YP.lab (David C. Niemi) writes:
> Due to quite a few posts on this topic lately, it is clear that there are
> quite a few different motherboard behaviors around with respect to upper
> memory (640KB through 1MB).
> 
> For those who don't know, Linux simply marks the entire upper memory area
> as "reserved" and does not try to use any of it as real memory.  This is
> safe and reasonable behavior, as there are considerable problems with
> actually using memory in that region even when it exists.
> 
> It appears there are at least 4 major types of motherboards:
> 
> 1)    A very few let you tack your upper memory physically onto the
>       end of memory.  I.e. the spare 384KB would go immediately after
>       your 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, or whatever.

Could someone give me the brand names of motherboards with this 
behavior?  It would be nice to be able to actually *use* the memory in 
that area, so I'd like to know for the next motherboard I buy.

Thanks!
        -Kurt Hockenbury

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From: c61b-1ew@e260-2g.berkeley.edu ()
Subject: Which distribution for a newbie
Date: 27 Jan 1994 00:32:35 GMT
Reply-To: c61b-1ew@e260-2g.berkeley.edu ()

I`m thinking about installing Linux on my system and I can't quite decide on which distribution to use. I thought (from previous knowledge ... about a year outdated) that SLS was almost the de-facto standard amongst the distributions, but the trends seems to tell me to avoid SLS. So, I guess I'm left with Tamu, Slackware or MCC-Interim. I need to be able to install this from 5.25 boot drive. I have 3.25 as well. I also need X-Windows, emacs, ghostscript and few other things. Any comment would be appreciated.

Please e-mail instead of post.


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From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Slackware needs a shadow package!
Date: 27 Jan 1994 01:53:06 +0200

clark@YingTongDiddleIPo.ee.wits.ac.za (Alan Robert Clark) writes:
> :     * Real support from me, not some hacker in Finland
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Was this sort of comment really necessary?

Especially without mentioning the hacker.  Most people only know of
one in the Linux community (though there are more, of course), and
I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't even heard of shadow passwords...

FWIW, I'm all for John putting whatever restrictions he wants on the
distribution of his code.  I'm also against including any of his shadow
code in the Linux C library, since it creates way too much
complications for anyone distributing it.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
Humans are unreliable, computers are non-deterministically reliable.

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From: ptomblin@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Upgrade path?
Date: 27 Jan 1994 10:06:02 -0500

I've been using Linux at home for a few months, and I finally have various
things set up right.  But now I want to go from Slackware 1.0[23] to
Slackware 1.1.1 (just got my Transamerica CD last night).  I suspect that I'm
going to have to do a mke2fs and totally reinstall everything, right?  I've
tarred everything that I was working on to the dos partition, saved
/usr/lib/X11/Xconfig, and a few other files that I can remember changing.
Any suggestions on what else to save?  

-- 
Paul Tomblin, Head - Automated Test Tools Team.
Gandalf Canada Limited
This is not an official statement of Gandalf, or of Vicki Robinson.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: martien@dutw85.wbmt.tudelft.nl (Martien Hulsen)
Subject: Re: accessing DD MS-DOS floppies
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 10:10:54 GMT

A.A.Buykx (andreas@elmat01.et.tudelft.nl) wrote:
> Hi,

> How do I access 3_1/2" DD MS-DOS floppies? The default is to read HD 
> floppies and when I put in a DD floppy, it says:
> "Cannot initialize drive A:" or something like that. I found a file 
> for mtools in which some initializing parameters are set for reading 
> HD floppies, but it is not clear to me how to change them for DD 
> floppies, nor do I know if it is the right thing to do.

My /etc/mtools looks like:

A /dev/fd0H1440 12 80 2 18      # A: 3 1/2 HD
B /dev/fd1h1200 12 80 2 15      # B: 5 1/4 HD
C /dev/hda1 16 0 0 0
D /dev/hda6 16 0 0 0
E /dev/fd0H720 12 80 2 9        # A: 3 1/2 DD
F /dev/fd1h360 12 40 2 9        # B: 5 1/4 DD

I access DD floppies with E: or F:

--
Martien Hulsen                                tel: +31-15-784194
Delft University of Technology,               fax: +31-15-782947
Laboratory for Aero and Hydrodynamics,
Rotterdamseweg 145,
2628 AL Delft,  The Netherlands.              email: martien@dutw9.tudelft.nl

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From: ctr018@SYSC.csc.PeachNet.EDU (Daniel Newcombe #6)
Subject: Re: Does the Mitsumi 2xSpeed CD-ROM work with Linux?
Date: 27 Jan 1994 22:44:47 -0600

In article <2ia367$3ut@menudo.uh.edu> you write:
>In article <134514@hydra.gatech.EDU>,
>Michael Knotts <ph281mk@prism.gatech.EDU> wrote:
>>I used a very simple fix...  Pull the Mitsumi controller board,
>>re-configure the jumper for IRQ11 and also set the port address
>>to Hex 320 (Important, since this is the Mitsumi CD driver default).
>>The drive works like a charm.

Well, sitting here with the manual in my lap, the default IRQ is 10,
the default DMA is 5, and the default port is 0x300

I will agree that it works like a charm!

>I think that it is odd  for linux to assume that Mitsumi must use
>INT11.  It should have been in config.

Well, it "assumes" that you have the same set up as the driver that 
was distributed with the kernel and that you compiled in.  To change
it, change /usr/include/linux/mcd.h   It's right near the top of the 
file.  I think it is also in the docs for the driver (but I know I 
didn'tead those first :)
                -Dan

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From: quinlan@ebony.cs.bucknell.edu (Daniel Quinlan)
Subject: Re: new shadow-3.3.1 patches
Date: 27 Jan 1994 15:43:13 GMT
Reply-To: quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu


bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>> Your tone is starting to sound to me like "you'll use my software on
>> my terms and like it!  If you don't you don't deserve to use mine or
>> anyone else's!"  I had no argument with your putting whatever terms
>> you chose on the shadow code, but *this* is rapidly getting old.
>> Are you sooooo *very* special that we must all kowtow to you and use
>> *your* code no matter what?

>> Do whatever you want with the licensing, but lose the attitude
>> already.

jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) said:

> As soon as I can get past the lies that Rick and others have been
> spreading, then we can address issues like licensing.  This entire
> fiasco started because I told Rick I was upset about companies
> selling Shadow without my knowledge or consent.  I told Rick I was
> going to come up with some decision and made the incredibly stupid
> mistake of telling him what my initial thoughts were.

> As for a GPL'd version of Shadow, have at it.  Shadow has been
> around for 6 years and only recently has anyone seen a need for a
> GPL'd version of the code.  I suspect that once everyone gets over
> the "Shadow is evil commercial software" hysteria, the calls for a
> GPL'd version of shadow will die down.  None of the BSD code in
> Linux is GPL'd and I don't see people calling for the complete
> re-write of all the code from BSD that is included.

BSD code doesn't have a screwy license behind it.  Your logic is
flawed anyway.  I believe Rick and *most* others have no intentions of
exploiting shadow for money, they are just trying to make Linux
better.  You may have good ideals which show in your desire for no
money to pass hands because of Shadow, but I believe that most of this
argument is just the result of many misunderstandings.

If you were more clear in what your license actually meant or adopted
a more understandable license things I wouldn't be posting this.

Dan
--
Daniel Quinlan  <quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu>

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From: chow@cssn07.uucp (Ivan Chow)
Subject: Cannot start X server because fixed fonts are not found
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 23:29:26 GMT

Hi,
   I couldn't start up the X server in Linux on my PC.
The error message was:
   ... fatal X server error:
      could not find fixed fonts
....

Please give me a help!  Thanks.

Ivan

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Crossposted-To: gnu.g++,gnu.g++.help,gnu.gcc,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: Help on interpreting GNU license and restriction
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 03:44:25 GMT
Reply-To: remco@hip-hop.sbay.org

Sven Heinicke (sven@bradbury.nrl.navy.mil) wrote:
: In article <2i0gob$qtv@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> wpp@marie (Kai Petzke) writes:

:    mng@eos.ncsu.edu (MUI-KIM NG) writes:
:    >   Here is my problem: I need money for school. So, I am planning to sell 
:    >my applications to a potential customer.  These applications would use gnu
:    >database and would be compiled gnu g++ and gnu gcc.  Is it still legal to
:    >sell my applications?

: descriptions of GPL and GLPL removed . . .

: perhaps we need a file called COPYING.english and COPYING.leaglieze to
: be put someplace.  :-)


:                       Sven

I agree! I have followed previous flare-ups of that subject and sometimes
got the impression that I finally got it, but then the next time around
I find out that I did not :-(

My reaction: I do pretty much what I feel is ok. If I will subsequently
get sued, I will worry about it then. Since I do not make millions using
gnu stuff, I gather I am safe.

I have been told, that the GPL is for me, it protects my rights. Great,
but after having followed the discussion about it for some time, I am
just confused and feel threatend. I certainly do not make enuff money
using gnu code to warrant the expense to pay a lawyer for a professional
opinion.

It is not that I don't care, it is just more than a normal guy can handle.
The GPL ranges right up there with the tax forms. You can tell that a lot
of man power went into their creation and subsequent refinement. Certainly
a nice piece of work, but beyond my compehension.

Too bad to see so many wrong interpretations flooding the net.
How do I know that they are wrong? Well, if you get 5 diffrent ones and
only one (at most) can be right, that at least 80% are wrong.

From my perspective, the GPL is like any other religion. You try to make the
best of it and if you are wrong you go to hell :-)
Both have their 'high priests', lawyers in this case, who make a good living
out of it.

Remco

-- 

Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
remco@hip-hop.sbay.org   <<-- REAL reply address !!
(408) 685-1201

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From: paulm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Paul Mantyla)
Subject: Re: Lisp anyone? How about CMU Lisp? Garnet?
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 94 01:43:17 GMT

Paul Wilson (wilson@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
> 
> Isn't it worse than that, even?  I was under the impression there were
> 4 integer and 4 address registers, or something horrible like that, so
> that if the compiler doesn't want to be limited to a tiny number of
> registers for certain kinds of code, it has to know that it can do
> adds but not multiplies on address registers, and multiplies and adds
> but not loads and stores with integer registers.  These are problems
> for C compilers, too, but dynamic typing makes it worse.

Among the 8 "general" registers are the stackpointer (%esp) and 
the base pointer (%ebp), so effectively you have 6 general 32-bit
registers (%eax, %ebx, %ecx, %edx, %edi, and %esi). A few Intel
instructions expect addresses in the %esi and %edi registers, notably
the string instructions such as "rep cmps". There are a few other 
instructions which require the use of particular registers. In the 
general case, however, you really do have 6 general purpose registers.

-- 
Paul J. Mantyla

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From: boutell@netcom.com (Thomas Boutell)
Subject: Re: Another question Re: Sounds for Mosaic in Linux
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 21:26:05 GMT

In article <14533@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>,
Bill C. Riemers <bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu> wrote:
>>(If you have a sound card installed it works perfectly..)
>
>How about for Adlib compatable cards (i.e. /dev/audio is 
>not supported.)
>
>                       Bill

I'm not certain, but I believe classic Adlib cards were just
FM synth, no sampled sounds. Either that or you're talking about
a MIDI-only card, in which case I have absolutely no idea
how one would accomplish it (I guess downloading samples is
possible depending on your MIDI toys).

If you're talking about a plain FM card, the best you could do is
a driver that "pumps" the FM synth stuff to play sounds pretty much
the same way the internal speaker driver has to work-- really
CPU intensive and ugly.

-T
-- 
boutell@netcom.com, purveyor of fine HTML pages to the biology trade.
<a=href "http://siva.cshl.org/boutell.html">Click <em>here</em></A>

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From: choltje@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Christian Holtje)
Subject: Re: port DOS games to Linux..?
Date: 27 Jan 1994 01:26:39 GMT

wanggaar@nicmad.uucp (Mike Wanggaard ) writes:

>After recently receiving a copy of DOOM, I began to wonder what it would take
>to port a game of that magnitude to Linux native.  It seems so painful to
>think that they are both running on the same instruction set, and yet I
>can't run DOOM from within Linux.

Hello! 

        Well, Mike. If you wait about 6 months (approx. remember the original
deadline for DOOM :), you'll get to see DOOM on Linux. I talked to one of the
authors (He asked for OS and Machine donations, I offered to donate Linux:), he
has Linux and plans on doing a port with a half year or so......so.....
hehehehehehe.....now I'll really have something to blow away non-tech people,
to show what Linux can "do".

        ):->

        -Doctor "Waiting for Linux Doom" What


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Thought for the day:

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foot and cast into utter darkness during the millennium of theological
scholasticism. But Darwin poured new lifeblood into the acient frame;
the bonds burst, and the revivified thought of ancient Greece has proved
itself to be a more adequate expression of the universal order of things
than any of the schemes which have been accepted by the credulity and
welcomed by the superstition of 70 later generations of men.
                                -- T. H. Huxley

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From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: Slackware needs a shadow package!
Date: 26 Jan 94 18:22:14 GMT

How about this:

1. Add an encryption feature into the file system.
2. Sell the CD at cost.
3. Encrypt any program on the CD that the the copyright allows.
4. Sell the encryption key needed to access the encrypted stuff.

                                     Bill


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From: pd@kubism.ku.dk (Peter Dalgaard SFE)
Subject: Re: Clock runs slow under Linux
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 16:00:11 GMT

In <CK8opr.H1E@i4got.lakewood.com> pechter@i4got.lakewood.com (Bill Pechter) writes:

>In article <2hplsg$qlq@pdn.paradyne.com>,
>Jim Kunzman <jdk001u@paradyne.com> wrote:
>>I'm not sure whether others have experienced this, but my Linux
>>machines lose about 3 minutes per day.

>I have the same problem with Linux, interestingly enough, the same box is
>rock solid to the minute with FreeBSD.

Me three! But it is not that much and it seems to occur with 
the machine turned off as well, i.e. the CMOS clock is losing
time or the kernel ain't reading it properly or ...

Suggestions? (An automatic clock calibrator would be nice)
--
   O_   ---- Peter Dalgaard
  c/ /'  --- Statistical Research Unit
 ( ) \( ) -- University of Copenhagen
~~~~~~~~~~ - (pd@kubism.ku.dk)

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 11:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
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Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs)
Subject: Re: Does the Mitsumi 2xSpeed CD-ROM work with Linux?
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 11:16:06 GMT

In article <tgmCKAM59.2Ly@netcom.com> tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams) writes:
>cosc19v2 (cosc19v2@menudo.uh.edu) wrote:
>: I tried to recompile the kernel (pl14t) but there is no configuration
>: how I may change the interrupt for CD ROM.
>: Well, I may hack around the kernel, but I want to be safe, and
>: don't want to cause troubles when I patch the source tree in the future.
>: Is there anyone who resolved this problem ?
>
>
>The Mitsumi configuration constants are in your kernel source tree
>in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/mcd.h --- that is the file to edit.


Or put:
 mcd=port,irq 

on the lilo command line. The driver never actually uses the interupt so you
can lie to the boot to compile a kernel that is correct.


Jon.



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From: rvaughn@vt.edu (Roger Vaughn)
Subject: Q: SNMP Server for Linux
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 23:42:27 GMT

Is anyone aware of a SNMP service for Linux?  I have not been able to find a 
thing.

Alternately, does anyone know of any DOS-based router software that uses 
packet drivers and supports SNMP?


Thanks!


Roger Vaughn
rvaughn@vt.edu

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