Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #772
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Date:     Fri, 4 Mar 94 02:13:07 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #772, Volume #1                 Fri, 4 Mar 94 02:13:07 EST

Contents:
  Re: vtwm: anyone compiled it for Linux yet? (Manoj Kasichainula)
  Re: Interest in Maple for Linux? (Paul Covell)
  Re: Smail security problems (HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED) (Urs Thuermann)
  News with tredir? (Mike McDowell)
  bin86 0.1 and binutils 1.9l.4 are on tsx-11. (H.J. Lu)
  Re: DOOM for X (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen)
  FSSTND (was Re: / vs /usr (was Re: The Linux C library 4.5.21 is on tsx-11.mit.edu.)) (Daniel Barlow)
  Re: correct way to make PLIP cable? (Johannes Stille)
  NIS for Linux? (Pete Ikusz)
  Three Questions: 1) Xconfig; 2) Backspace; 3) Turn off monitor. (Min-Zhi Shao)
  Re: I'm an idiot!!!! (rm -fr /usr) (DOUGLAS M STEVENSON)
  Motif on Linux???? (B SCHATZ, COMPUTER SCIENCE)
  where is my Linux T-shirt? (Henning Holtschneider)
  Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program (Jay Denebeim P025)
  What is the status of Linux and MCA? (Nick Maclaren)
  Re: 68360 linux (Donald Jeff Dionne)
  Re: Multitasking... ("Brian E. Gallew")
  Re: Minicom 1.60 available (Mark Mcghehey)
  Re: CD ROM Install won't work. arggggggg (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Route under SLIP (Michael McAleese)
  Re: OpenGL on Linux? (Erik Nygren)

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From: mvkasich@eos.ncsu.edu (Manoj Kasichainula)
Subject: Re: vtwm: anyone compiled it for Linux yet?
Date: 3 Mar 1994 19:03:01 GMT
Reply-To: mvkasich@eos.ncsu.edu (Manoj Kasichainula)


In article <2l276s$li4@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>,
davison@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Andrew Davison) writes:
|I guess this is the virtual twm ? Why not use fvwm. It retains most of
|the 
|features of twm, adding a virtual desktop **and** a configurable
|motif-like
|pretty interface.
|
|And it uses a lot less momory than toms's...

Well, there are a few features that fvwm doesn't have:

a starticonified function (yes you can just use -iconic, but not when it is
                           not available, i.e. The Zephyr messaging system)
an icon manager which isn't a menu
twm compatibility for those who know how to configure twm.
bitmaps for title buttons
and a few more.

plus vtwm, has a pretty motif interface now.
-- 
 _______________________________________________
|                                               | "Violence is the refuge of
|  Manoj Kasichainula - mvkasich@eos.ncsu.edu   |  the incompetant."
| Leader of the Jihad to Destroy Barney at NCSU |          - Salvor Hardin
|_______________________________________________|  from _Foundation_ by Asimov      

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From: pcovell@bvsd.k12.co.us (Paul Covell)
Subject: Re: Interest in Maple for Linux?
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 14:07:33 GMT

nygren@mit.edu (Erik Nygren) writes:

>Apparently Waterloo is considering porting Maple to Linux.
>The following is their response to a query I sent to
>info@maplesoft.on.ca:

        I hate to sound ignorant, but what exactly is maple?

<PaC>
-- 
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| I try again and again to console my heart and    ()  Something I don't   |
| pick the flowers that grow in the midst of hell."()  My words are my own |

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: thuerman@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Urs Thuermann)
Subject: Re: Smail security problems (HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 15:09:39 GMT

rikardur@rhi.hi.is (Rikhardur Egilsson) writes:

>How can I see if one of my files has links to it ?

If you use "ls -l" the second column (after the mode) shows the number of
links for that file.  directories always have at least two links (one from
their parent directory, and on one from themselves (the entry '.')) plus
one link for each subdirectory (the entry '..' of that subdirectory).

If you have a plain file with more than one link, the only way I know to
find all refenrences is with "find <path> -inum <inode> -print" which
can cause enormous disk (and with NFS network) activity if you search
down from '/'.

Urs

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From: mcdowell@CSOS.ORST.EDU (Mike McDowell)
Subject: News with tredir?
Date: 2 Mar 1994 21:01:23 GMT

Thanks for the many helpful suggestions for getting term to work....
Now I want to tredir news to my local (at home) machine.  I think
what I would prefer to do is divert port 119 traffic on the remote
computer (where news lives) to some non-root port (like 5000) 
at my machine at home.  Do I need to rebuild tin to do this?  Any 
suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike
mcdowell@kira.csos.orst.edu

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From: hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu)
Subject: bin86 0.1 and binutils 1.9l.4 are on tsx-11.
Date: 3 Mar 1994 21:05:50 GMT

binutils 1.9l.4, binutils-1.9l.4.tar.gz, is on tsx-11.mit.edu under
pub/linux/packages/GCC/src. The C++ demangler bug is fixed.

bin86 0.1, bin86-0.1.tar.gz, is under pub/linux/packages/GCC/src
on tsx-11.mit.edu. It compiles out of box with the Linux C
library 4.5.21.

The binary version, linux-binutils-1.0.tar.gz, is also on tsx-11.mit.edu
under pub/linux/packages/GCC. It requries the Linux C library 4.5.21 or
above, which is under pub/linux/packages/GCC.

Thanks.


H.J. Lu
hjl@nynexst.com
03/03/94

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: ben@rex.uokhsc.edu (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen)
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 21:46:34 GMT
Reply-To: benjamin-goldsteen@uokhsc.edu

hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:

>In article <141787@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU (Robert Sanders) writes:
>>hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:
>>
>>>In article <2jf56m$7r@u.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) writes:
>>>>In article <JKH.94Feb8224637@whisker.hubbard.ie> jkh@whisker.hubbard.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) writes:
>>>>>In article <760732951snz@valent.demon.co.uk> mark@valent.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) writes:
>>>>>   Apparently id's Dave Taylor (working in his spare time) has it running
>>>>>   under XFree86 2.0 (using the shared memory extensions).
>>>>
>>>>>Knowing what DOOM does to achieve shading and motion effects on a standard
>>>>>VGA card, I have a REALLY HARD TIME believing that this could work under
>>>>>X!  This seems like serious rumor material to me!
>>
>>>Actually, one could get access to the VGA registers for a process 
>>>and dispense with X for local access :)
>>
>>I'm somewhat surprised that Dave didn't choose to use svgalib, a library
>>that supports many SVGA cards and modes and all VGA modes.  It also 
>>supports up to 16M colors on truecolor-capable cards.  However, they're
>>peobably so sick of DOS and compatibility problems that they just
>>left all the hardware muck up to the X server.  That way, any problems
>>that come up can be answered with "not our fault."

>More like is less of a port issue from their NextStep development environment.
>Probably their biggest headache should be the linux sound driver;simply,
>because they don't have one under nextstep -- the rest should be a simple
>exercise for them.

     Am I missing something here?  Last time I looked, NextStep was
completely different than X11.  It would seem to me that because they
got something working under NextStep does not mean that doing the same
thing under X11 is possible.  I am, frankly, a bit dubious about this
port of DOOM to Linux (at least one that does not like mmap() the video
card or something).
-- 
Benjamin Z. Goldsteen

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From: Daniel.Barlow@sjc.oxford.ac.uk (Daniel Barlow)
Subject: FSSTND (was Re: / vs /usr (was Re: The Linux C library 4.5.21 is on tsx-11.mit.edu.))
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 22:02:47 GMT

In article <2kui38$irj@ifi.uio.no>,
Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>(I do have some nits, though, e.g. loadkeys belongs in /usr/bin and
>chown in /sbin, IMHO :-)

loadkeys is needed (or may be needed) when repairing the system,
especially if you have eg a Dvorak keyboard on the console.

How is chown necessary for single-user mode, or is this hysterical
raisins?


-- 
Daniel.Barlow@sjc.ox.ac.uk              dbarlow@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk
"He'd never wanted much, except perhaps to be left alone and not woken up
 until midday"                          -- Moving Pictures, Terry Pratchett

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From: johannes@titan.westfalen.de (Johannes Stille)
Subject: Re: correct way to make PLIP cable?
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 23:39:54 GMT


These are the connections needed for the Linux PLIP driver.
Linux PLIP is not compatible to the DOS PLIP packet driver.

    GROUND      25 - 25
    D0->ERROR   2 - 15          15 - 2
    D1->SLCT    3 - 13          13 - 3
    D2->PAPOUT  4 - 12          12 - 4
    D3->ACK     5 - 10          10 - 5
    D4->BUSY    6 - 11          11 - 6


        Johannes

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From: pete@introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Subject: NIS for Linux?
Date: 3 Mar 1994 15:06:12 -0600

So, is there a NIS package for Linux?

If so, where can I find it?

Thanks,
-Pete

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From: minzhi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Min-Zhi Shao)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Three Questions: 1) Xconfig; 2) Backspace; 3) Turn off monitor.
Date: 2 Mar 1994 22:28:59 GMT


Dear netters:

    I've recently intalled Slackware 1.1.2. in my Comtrade 486/66DX2.
I would appreciate very much if you could help me in the following
problems:

    1) Xconfig file - MAG MX15F + Cirrus Logic GD5428.

    2) Backspace (US keyboard) - The Backspace and Del keys don't
work properly in login, chsh, chfn, etc.

    3) When I leave the machine alone for, say 5 hours, should I:
a) xlock; b) turn off the monitor; c) shutdown the system?


Thanks,

Min-Zhi Shao
minzhi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

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From: dstevens@calc26.mps.ohio-state.edu (DOUGLAS M STEVENSON)
Subject: Re: I'm an idiot!!!! (rm -fr /usr)
Date: 4 Mar 1994 01:46:14 GMT

Ralph Loader (loader@maths.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
> In article <2kpafk$i0@ifi.uio.no> kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:
>    +--- David Feldman:
>    | Maybe I'll replace /bin/rm with a shell script that (if root and
>    | more than one file in arglist) questions my intentions before going?
>    +--------

>    I think you are doing this at the wrong level. zsh has a nice feature
>    - if the command is rm, and it detects a * (alone, not as part of a
>    filespec) on the command line, it asks you for confirmation. Ie., the
>    classic mistake "rm * ~" will be trapped. Of course, you can turn it
>    off. tcsh may have this feature as well.

> tcsh has this feature (you need to turn it on in your .tcshrc file), but it
> only queries "rm *", as I learnt to my horror on typing "rm -rf foo *"
> instead of "rm -rf foo*" once.  After this, I wrote a shell script that
> worked as DF suggested, and aliased rm to it in my .tcshrc file.  Note that
> it is important, I think, that the script is not called "rm", as else
> non-interactive calls to "rm" may not work ...

> R.

If tcsh has this feature, then WHAT do you put in your .tcshrc file??

What I do to keep myself in check when deleting is make these aliases:

alias   rm      rm -i
alias   delete  /bin/rm

That way, when I want to delete something big, I have to THINK about
it and use the delete command.  Being forced to use "delete" makes
you be aware that what you are about to do is irreversible.

Doug

--
I don't have time to write a signature.

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From: mail_schatz@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au (B SCHATZ, COMPUTER SCIENCE)
Subject: Motif on Linux????
Date: 4 Mar 94 12:09:11 AEST

I am currently doing a (university) subject on programming X using motif. 
Does motif run on linux, and if so, where are the associated libraries etc...

Thanks
Brad


___________________________________________________________________________
B SCHATZ                                              B.SCHATZ@cc.uq.edu.au
COMPUTER SCIENCE
The University of Queensland                       Telephone +61 7 349 9075
Brisbane Qld 4072  AUSTRALIA                       Facsimile +61 7 365 1199

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From: hh@hhdo.ping.de (Henning Holtschneider)
Subject: where is my Linux T-shirt?
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:11:36 GMT

Hello you, out there,

some months ago there was an announcement for a Linux T-Shirt posted in
c.o.l.announce by Charles Stephens. Over a month ago I sent an order form
(and the money, of course) to him but nothing has happend by now. Two weeks
ago I tried to reach him via e-mail, but he hasn't answered yet!

Does anyone know what is going on there or is there someone who has the same
problems? An answer by Charles hinself would be REALLY useful ...

Thanks

        <-gninneH<-
-- 
      Henning Holtschneider * Bauernkamp 41 * 44339 Dortmund * Germany
          Member of OASE - European Shareware Authors Organization
  Internet: hh@hhdo.ping.de  Fidonet: 2:2444/1099  Telefax: +49 231 7285296

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: denebeim@bnr.ca (Jay Denebeim P025)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 19:43:39 GMT

Cc: 

In article <comp.os.linux.all-mod-RFD1@uunet.uu.net> iwj@cam-orl.co.uk (Ian Jackson) writes:
>I therefore propose the moderation of comp.os.linux.misc,
>comp.os.linux.development, comp.os.linux.admin and comp.os.linux.help.

This looks like all the linux groups.  I have just one problem with
this.  If every group is moderated, how does someone with no E-Mail
access (such as myself at this site) post to these newsgroups?
-- 
Jay Denebeim     Address: UUCP:     duke!wolves!deepthot!jay
                          Internet: jay@deepthot.cary.nc.us
                 BBS:(919)-233-9937      VOICE:(919)-233-0776

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From: nmm@cl.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)
Subject: What is the status of Linux and MCA?
Date: 24 Feb 94 12:29:10 GMT

What is the current status of Linux on MCA bus machines?  The last I
heard, someone was working on a version, but I cannot find a reference.

I was speaking to a relevant IBM architect about this, and he stated
categorically that the MCA bus was fully documented (i.e. the Linux FAQ
is wrong).  If I can get some hard information on what the problem is,
I might be able to find out the documentation reference numbers.

Nick Maclaren
University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory,
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street,
Cambridge CB2 3QG, England.
Email:  nmm@cl.cam.ac.uk
Tel.:   +44 223 334761
Fax:    +44 223 334679

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From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Subject: Re: 68360 linux
Date: 2 Mar 1994 23:27:22 GMT

Matt MacPherson (matt@picard.fnal.gov) wrote:
: Can linux be run in an embedded system out of memory on the motorola
: 68000 architecture?


YES!  So there is interest in embedded linux.....  Check out the thread 
over on c.o.l.d and hopefully there will be more than just me and one
other guy talking....

Jeff@EE.Ryerson.Ca

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From: "Brian E. Gallew" <geek+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Multitasking...
Date: Wed,  2 Mar 1994 21:26:52 -0500

Well, I'm don't know anything about Linux-68k, but for my "Realtime
and Concurrent Systems" class I had to write a task scheduler.
Admittedly, this thing *barely* qualifies as a kernel (no vm, no
exec'ing) however it *did* multitask AND was realtime.  (Hey, what do
you expect for 60hours of assembly with no previouse 68K experience on
a 32K-RAM "eduboard"?)

                                  -Brian

=========================================================================
| MS-DOS --> MicroSoft-Denial Of Service                                |
=========================================================================

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From: markm@wallach9.dgtl.com (Mark Mcghehey)
Subject: Re: Minicom 1.60 available
Date: 2 Mar 94 17:47:48 GMT

Miquel van Smoorenburg (miquels@drinkel.nl.mugnet.org) wrote:
: []
:               Announcing minicom 1.60

: This is version 1.60 of minicom. For those of you who don't know what
: minicom is, here's a short description:


: Mike. (miquels@drinkel.nl.mugnet.org)


 [delete delete delete......]

 Sounds nice, but where can I get it from???????
--
 
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Voice: (206) 881-7544 ext. 2452  Fax: (206)556-8033

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Date: Tue, 01 Mar 94 20:04:30 +0100
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: CD ROM Install won't work. arggggggg


Hello Andy and all others,

on 26.02.94 Andy - Patrizio wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

A-P> It's been two days now and the damn thing still won't install. I have 
theA-P> winter 1994 quarterly update with all of the goodies (gee, since when 
did
A-P> a directory full of Cindy Crawford GIF become part of Unix? :-), but the
A-P> damn thing won't install. Mounting my CD takes a fight, and once it's
A-P> been mounted, install won't find the directories.
A-P>
A-P> I have a Sound Blaster Pro, with a Mitsubishi 563 double-speed drive
A-P> hooked up to it. Any help is appreciated.

Which "winter quarterly" CDROM do you have?

Can you citate some messages?

Greetings ... Eberhard


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From: michael@softwords.bc.ca (Michael McAleese)
Subject: Route under SLIP
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 21:00:51 GMT


    My SLIP connection has a problem that I'm sure I've seen mentioned
here before, my routing table seems to get thrashed after some variable
length of time (around ten minutes, usually.)
    I connect using dip, which doesn't set the ifconfig and routing
properly for my connection, so I issue the proper commands myself:
=============
/sbin/ifconfig sl0 134.87.177.134 pointopoint 134.87.177.1 up
/sbin/route del dfluxnb.dataflux.bc.ca
/sbin/route add dfluxnb.dataflux.bc.ca gw 134.87.177.1
=============
   Aftewards my routing table looks like this:
=============
Kernel routing table
Destination net/address   Gateway address           Flags RefCnt    Use Iface
default                   dfluxnb.DataFlux.BC.CA    UGN        0   1403 sl0
localhost                 *                         UH         0     32 lo
=============

   All is now fine, I can ping, telnet, ftp and so forth.  Things look fine
until some time later (usually after some period of network inactivity),
there is a "click" from the modem and the routing table is blank.  I can
kill dip and restart everything again, and it works once more.

   Any thoughts?


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From: nygren@athena.mit.edu (Erik Nygren)
Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.opengl
Subject: Re: OpenGL on Linux?
Date: 4 Mar 1994 06:27:24 GMT


How could an OpenGL port to Linux be realized?  According to the OpenGL FAQ, the
sources to it are tightly controlled to avoid divergence of the source code and the
resulting incompatability problems.  As a result, the source is sold for a very
high licensing fee to a company who then does the port, build the binaries, and
then distributes them with a small royalty for each copy sold.  I would assume that
the company which would do this would be operating system or platform vendor. 
However, Linux has no such vendor.  Therefore, there is no one who has the money to
spend to get the license (for the sample implementation).


If it wasn't for this problem, Linux would be a great development platform for use
along with SGI's running IRIX 5.  From my experience, code seems to be very
portable between the two.

Is there any way a special exception could be made in the case of Linux?  From
looking at the FAQ, it appears that the purpose of the license is primarily to
provide tight control over the evolution of the source, not to make large amounts
of money.  (Correct me if I'm wrong here.)  It seems that the goal is to make
something very "open" and supported across platforms.  Special licenses have been
provided for use with Linux already.  For example, Xerox's Object Builder package
for constructing GUI's has been released with a special license for Linux and is
available for free with the most common distribution.  Other companies have done
similar things.

--- Erik Nygren

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