Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #776
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Linux-Misc Digest #776, Volume #1                 Sat, 5 Mar 94 09:13:06 EST

Contents:
  Linux Journal arrives.  WTG Phil & company! (Neil R. Marsh)
  Re: What ever happened to QIC-80 tape drivers? (Mario Nascimento)
  Re: 8-16 users, internet connect, and routing on one linux box? (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: What ever happened to QIC-80 tape drivers? (Joe Pannon)
  DIP Problems (Young Charlie)
  Need Help On Path Setup For X (Habibie)
  Undefined symbol ___main for DLL tools? (Matthew J. Ryan)
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (Ron Smits)
  Re: DOSEMU runs WIN3.0. Now what? (Chris Pirih)
  Re: 8-16 users, internet connect, and routing on one linux box? (Stephen Balbach)
  Re: Status of Linux Magazine? (Noahal A. Mundt)
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (Alasdair Grant)
  DIP (Young Charlie)
  defrag prog for ext2 file system? (Albert C H Ho)
  Re: Maxtor Drives and Linux (David E. Fox)
  non-SCSI CD player (Paul Pershing)

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From: neilm@halcyon.com (Neil R. Marsh)
Subject: Linux Journal arrives.  WTG Phil & company!
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 18:07:09 GMT
Reply-To: neilm@halcyon.com

        My first issue of Linux Journal arrived yesterday.  Phil
Hughes and friends have done a very professional job of putting out 
an excellent magazine.  Way to Go, folks!!  Keep up the great work!

Cheers!
Neil
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Neil Marsh neilm@halcyon.com or neilm@menhir.chs.wa.com Chehalis, WA USA
My account                        My PC                       My opinion

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From: mario@seas.smu.edu (Mario Nascimento)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to QIC-80 tape drivers?
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 03:52:31 GMT

Joe Pannon <danubius@chinook.halcyon.com> wrote:
>I haven't heard anything lately about ongoing efforts to develop drivers
>for those QIC-80 tape drives so ubiquitous in the DOS world.  You know,
>the ones running off the floppy controller ...

I'll tell you why, they seem to be working fine ;-) smoooothly ...
That's why. Bas (from nl) developed the ftape driver which you seem
to be not aware of. Ftp to sunsite.unc.edu and get ftape.0.9.10.tar
(not sure the directory now, but you can get it). RTFM, and if your
tape is on the list that Kai (from dk) put together in the FAQ (yes,
there is even a weel maintained FTAPE-HOWTO file, get it from sunsite
too, maybe in /pub/Linux/docs/howto).

>...
>I would consider
>such a capability to back up linux partitions now God-sent until I can
>scrape up the money for a SCSI-based tape drive.

Thanks to Bas, Kai and crew instead ;-) ...

HTH. Good luck !

Mario (mario@seas.smu.edu)


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From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: 8-16 users, internet connect, and routing on one linux box?
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 23:02:27 GMT

In article <2l7i8u$8l3@louie.udel.edu>,
Andrew Wack <wack@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu> wrote:
>
>I'm trying to set up small internet node for myself and several other users
>as cheaply as possible, but I have a few questions that I couldn't find
>the answers to in any of the docs, FAQs etc.
>
>I need to support 8 to 12 users on dial up lines.  I'll have a 56K internet
>connection.  My planned setup is Linux running on a 486/66, 16-32M memory,
>and a multiport board that can handle the high speed modems and the 
>internet feed.  I'm not planning on having a router since I'll have
>only the one Linux box attatched to the internet (the dialups will be
>supporting shells only, no slip).  The machine will support the usual goodies:
>mail, news, ftp, etc.

Interesting project.

>
>So the questions are:
>
>      Can I get away without a router or would a router be a big help
>      in offloading work from the Linux box?

If the linux box is the only network node then there is no need for a router.
You said no SLIP (at least not yet. you'll see.) I'll bet you'll be
OK without it.

>
>      Is this too much for a single machine to handle (I'm talking
>      in terms of I/O from the modems and  internet connection.  
>      The computation load won't be too great)?

Can't give you the definitive answer on this. I can tell you that memory
will be very important. If you start swapping your machine will crawl
to a halt. 

The other thing is that if your going to store News locally you may wish to
invest is a large fast SCSI disk for your News spool area. Gives you better
performance than most IDE drives and are bigger too.

>
>      Finally, if it is feasable, what multiport board can handle
>      8-12 14.4/28.8 modems?

Might I suggest the STB 4port. 4 16550 based serial lines with full modem
control. Can have up to 2 of them i the machine. Cost $126 each with
cables from PreRapture (1-800-SELLCOM). 

Good luck in your project. Let us know how it turns out.

One last question: How much for a 56KB line?

BAJ
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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From: danubius@chinook.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to QIC-80 tape drivers?
Date: 5 Mar 1994 09:37:02 GMT

In article <bmiller.762817623@peca>,
Brad Miller <bmiller@peca.cs.umn.edu> wrote:
>
>Absolutely!  Get ftape  As of one week ago, the most current version was
>0.9.10.  I bought a Conner 250MQ and downloaded ftape, and modutils, and
>a couple of hours later I was making my first backup.
>
Thank you Brad and all the others who responded to my query!  After
having been exposed to Jesus Monroy's (or whatever his name was)
long-winded "progress reports" (or lack of it) on developing a driver
for QIC-80 drives some months ago, I kinda' gave up on it and did not
even follow the subject until now when I started thinking of getting a
SCSI drive perhaps.  I'm glad to hear that I won't have to.

Thanks again,
Joe Pannon

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From: young933@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Young Charlie)
Subject: DIP Problems
Date: 5 Mar 1994 04:01:10 GMT

I'm having problems getting DIP to load. When i type dip -t the machine
returns a Local Host name error, or something like that? Anyone have any
helpful ideas?


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From: habibie@srse.fiu.edu (Habibie)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Need Help On Path Setup For X
Date: 3 Mar 1994 03:39:08 GMT

I am trying to figure out which file needs to be modified in oder
to change the path setup for Xserver.  Can someone please email
me the solution?  Thank you.

Notice that this is a cross-post on other comp.os.linux.xxxx newsgroups.

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From: ryanm4@hall104.its.rpi.edu (Matthew J. Ryan)
Subject: Undefined symbol ___main for DLL tools?
Date: 4 Mar 1994 21:14:44 GMT

  I have been playing with the DLL tools-2.10, and I couldn't
get any shared libraries to build.  So I tried building the
example library, and it wouldn't build, either.
  Trying to build the image for the example (libedit) with its own
makefile gave the following:

executing: ld -x -T 80000000 -o libedit.so.0.2 ./jump/__jump.o \
editline.0 complete.o sysunix.o version.o -ltermcap -lc
./jump/__jump.o: Undefined symbol ___main referneced from text \
segment
system: No such file or directory
/usr/dll/bin/mkimage: error running 'ld -x -T 80000000 -o libedit.so.0.2 \
./jump/__jump.o editline.0 complete.o sysunix.o version.o -ltermcap -lc

From what I know, ___main is an initialization procedure.  So where is
it? 
I am using tools-2.10, gas-2.2l, gcc-2.5.8.  I tried updating my ld to
the one released a couple days ago, that didn't help either...

Obviously, I must be doing something wrong, since other people have 
built shared libs.  Anyone have any ideas?

- Matt
-- 
"Still looking for a funky quote..."
Matthew Ryan
ryanm4@rpi.edu

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"
Date: 5 Mar 1994 11:08:34 GMT

magnus@ii.uib.no wrote:
: >>>>> "John" == John F Haugh <jfh@rpp386> writes:

: John> In reality an "idea" has value just as a "process" or "hard"
: John> object does.  And in a similar manner, that "idea" has a cost of

: Yes, but while the value of a 'hard' object decreases when you
: distribute it, the value of an 'idea' increases when you distribute
: it.

: As many people as possible should share ideas and information. When
: capitalism and market economies prevent this they are working against
: the good of the people.

: John> The simple fact that the FSF has to rely so heavily on charity
: John> proves the point -- there is no profit to be made in "hand

: Proves what point? It proves that people are willing to pay for
: software without getting the exclusive rights to it.

: John> Stallman claims in his GNU [Communist] Manifesto.  But the real

: Grow up.

: John> world demands that we pay our mortgages, children's doctor
: John> bills, and provide for our retirements.

: Let me tell you again - the core of the FSF / GNU philosophy is not
: that programmers shouldn't be paid. It's the non-exclusive use of
: software. Let me show you two scenarios:

: Scenario A.

: Company Gadgets Inc needs a program to manage their document database.
: They have a big Unix box running a generix Unix variant. They hire a
: programmer to do the programming. The programmer buys a proprietary
: database engine and customizes it for keeping documents. He then
: programs a user interface in C++ for Windows. It takes months, but
: it's a satisfactory solution and the programmers gets paid. Well.

: Company Widgets Inc also needs such a database. They hire the same
: programmer. The programmer buys the same database engine. The
: programmer does the same customizing. The programmer programs the same
: user interface as in Gadgets Inc. He gets paid again. Well.

: Scenario B.

: Company Gagets Inc needs a program to manage their document database.
: There is such a program available, free, but like much free software
: it is not quite satisfactory. It is not terribly efficient, and the
: user interface is text-only. Someone wrote it in his spare time. The
: company hires a programmer. The programmer improves on the memory
: allocation and builds a user interface for X-Windows. The improvements
: are then sent back to the maintainer of the code and integrated in the
: normal release. The programmer still gets paid well.

: Company Widgets Inc also needs such a databaser. They hire the same
: programmer. He grabs a copy of the program he made for Gadgets Inc and
: configures it for the needs of Widgets Inc. Takes him five minutes.

He gets paid a bit less than in scenario A, BUT Company Widgets Inc will
remember him as on honest guy that didint bleed them to death. His name
will come up again for the next job and it will be heard when the people of
company widgets Inc talk to other companies. This is called long term
good will!!

: John> a quite different matter.  Ever wonder why GCC or G++ oscillate
: John> between "working" and "not working"?  There is no profit motive

: Because FSF release it as they change it. If you wanted a stable GCC
: you would use v1.x.x. As of now 2.5.8 is considered a stable release.
: Ever wonder why GCC is better than all those commercial compilers?

: John> to keep them working.  And there is no profit motive to make the
: John> compilers compatible, reliable, etc. so you wind up with unique
: John> behaviors all throughout GNUware.  Hell, I went to compile some

: Tell me about a C compiler that has better ANSI compliance than GCC.

: John> Linux program on my POSIX 1003.1 compliant, XPG/3 branded system
: John> and guess what -- it didn't compile at all.  Such a deal ...  --

: Oh. Well, you must be right then.

: -Magnus

: (Stupid git.)

I use Linux and GCC 2.5.8 and XFree86 to write programs and applications
that run on NCR 3000 systems. It takes one (1) xmkmf and one (1) make install
I call this compliant enough. The Gcc compiler is good, sturdy and smarter
then other compilers I've worked with!!
--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                         -*/


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From: pirih@eskimo.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: DOSEMU runs WIN3.0. Now what?
Date: 4 Mar 94 06:23:46 GMT
Reply-To: pirih@eskimo.com

In article <2k2ti5$q88@news.u.washington.edu>, John Verzani wrote:
> My question then, does anybody know of any applications for windows3.0 that run
> in real mode that don't have some reasonable equivalent in the Linux enviroment?

I'm pretty sure Ski runs on 3.0.  Between that
and Solitaire, I think the entire usefulness of
MS Windows is covered.  (Actually most of WEP
1-3 should work.)

---
chris

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From: stephen@clark.net (Stephen Balbach)
Subject: Re: 8-16 users, internet connect, and routing on one linux box?
Date: 5 Mar 1994 07:06:39 -0500

In article <2l7i8u$8l3@louie.udel.edu>,
Andrew Wack <wack@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu> wrote:
>
>I'm trying to set up small internet node for myself and several other users
>as cheaply as possible, but I have a few questions that I couldn't find
>the answers to in any of the docs, FAQs etc.
>
>I need to support 8 to 12 users on dial up lines.  I'll have a 56K internet
>connection.  My planned setup is Linux running on a 486/66, 16-32M memory,
>and a multiport board that can handle the high speed modems and the 
>internet feed.  I'm not planning on having a router since I'll have
>only the one Linux box attatched to the internet (the dialups will be
>supporting shells only, no slip).  The machine will support the usual goodies:
>mail, news, ftp, etc.
>
>So the questions are:
>
>      Can I get away without a router or would a router be a big help
>      in offloading work from the Linux box?

Linux should be able to handle it fine.  In tests of standalone 286 PC 
routers they do pretty well compared to real routers, a 486-66 even 
though loaded with users should still do the job fine.

>      Is this too much for a single machine to handle (I'm talking
>      in terms of I/O from the modems and  internet connection.  
>      The computation load won't be too great)?

EISA is key, it will make all the diffrence.  Does Linux run on EISA?  If 
not then get whatever bus-broadning technology you can find that works.  
Local bus hard drive controller, etc..


>      Finally, if it is feasable, what multiport board can handle
>      8-12 14.4/28.8 modems?

Depends on what drivers are available for Linux.  Other than bus bottlenecks 
the setup you describe will work.  It wont be fast or have a lot of 
expansion room but it should work fine.


Stephen Balbach
-- 
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linux-all@clark.net         all-info@clark.net          Internet for the 90's

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From: nam@ccd.harris.com (Noahal A. Mundt)
Subject: Re: Status of Linux Magazine?
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 02:43:18 GMT

Brian,

Brian Shell (bshell@csi.compuserve.com) wrote:
:       Linux Mag? Could sombody send me the information I need 
: to start receiving this?

:       Thanks Brian.

:       You can post it here or send it to bshell@csi.compuserve.com


I received a copy of "Linux Journal" today and have found it to be of
high quality and in the true spirit of Linux itself.  You can get 
subscription help at subscriptions@fylz.com or 1-800-546-7274.  Questions
and comments can be sent to linux@fylz.com.  Enjoy!

Regards,

Noahal Mundt - System Administration - Harris Controls Division 
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From: ag129@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 12:13:36

In article <1994Mar4.042801.9338@rpp386> jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>The problem with RMS's communist utopian version of informatin
>socialism is that I have to earn a living in order to buy the "hard"
>goods that it takes to live.  The time I spending earning a living
>in some other arena, perhaps as a ditch digger, will take away from
>the time I have to spend in such noble pursuits as "thinking".

A socialist/communist state would pay you to write code for the people!

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From: young933@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Young Charlie)
Subject: DIP
Date: 5 Mar 1994 10:49:35 GMT

 I have set up DIP correctly on my system and can connect to my remote
 system's SLIP connection. When you login with DIP , my University's
 machine allows you to start a SLIP connection by selecting #10 from
 a Zyplex Menu system. When you press 10, the stats for the SLIP
 connection are shown and the system (I guess, waits for you to start your
 end). At this point , I go back into Local mode on DIP and was told
 (by NET-2-HOWTO) to type local <mylocaladdress> and remote <systems
 address> (BTW, our system is a Dynamic Type, where it changes the IP
 address) , but when i type remote or local for that matter, DIP says:
 command not found. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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From: cheukho@aludra.usc.edu (Albert C H Ho)
Subject: defrag prog for ext2 file system?
Date: 5 Mar 1994 04:56:23 -0800

Anybody know if there exist such tools?
I found that there is a "frag" to report the degree of fragmentation.
But there is no tools to defrag the hard disk.

Please reply by mail if you can help...


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From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox)
Subject: Re: Maxtor Drives and Linux
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:21:05 GMT

D. Dale Gulledge (ddg@cci.com) wrote:

: I did't remember seeing that warning in the FAQ (so I went back and looked
: just now).  It might have made me question the sanity of buying a Maxtor.  I
: picked up their 340Mb IDE a couple of weeks ago.  I set up a couple of ext2fs

I've also got a Maxtor 340 MB IDE, 7345A model #.  I got this drive early
last September when my previous drive (Seagate 1144A IDE) started becoming
quite unreliable when used for Linux.

So far the drive has been used rather heavily at times since I run a
(small) newsfeed and mail system on it.  Also I've hammered on the swap
partition rather heavily at times (including swapping constantly for over
a _week_ when I was running MPQS...)

So far, no problems.  I just hope this drive lasts a long time - my experiences
in the past (only Seagates, this is the first non-Seagate drive for me) have not
been very good; the drives die seemingly too quickly (18 months or so after
initial purchase, sometimes less).

: partitions, a DOS partition (gotta put those old games somewhere) and a swap
: partition.  I just installed almost all of Slackware 1.1.2 into a 200 Mb
: partition two days ago.  Not a single problem during the entire process except

I set it up as one large ext2fs and 16 megs for swap.  And, I did the whole
partitioning, filesystem making, installation, etc., without a DOS disk any-
where in sight too.

: ddg@cci.com, D. Dale Gulledge, Software Engineer, Northern Telecom,
: Network Applications Systems, 97 Humboldt St., Rochester, NY 14609
-- 
David Fox                       root@belvedere.sbay.org
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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From: pershing@csn.org (Paul Pershing)
Subject: non-SCSI CD player
Date: 20 Feb 94 02:27:15 GMT


   After buying and installing SLS about 6 months ago and _never_ 
getting Xwindows up and running, I've decided to try the 
Slackware distribution (based on all the great comments I've read
about it here).
   I'd like to do it via CDROM, but my CDROM player is a Philips
CM205, i.e., not SCSI. I've read somewhere that Linux _does_ support
this player, however.
    So - Does anyone know for sure if Linux supports my CD player?
    And, if so, where's the best place to get the CD?
 
   Thanks,
   Paul Pershing

ps - our newlink has been fouled up recently, so I don't know if we've
been getting a complete feed; I didn't see an FAQ in comp.os.linux or
comp.os.linux.help, which is why I posted here. 

 

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