Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #778
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Date:     Sun, 6 Mar 94 00:13:09 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #778, Volume #1                 Sun, 6 Mar 94 00:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: FreeBSD and Linux (Nate Williams)
  Re: [q] Power PC and Linux? (Frank Lofaro)
  Request Comments on Legacy System compatibility (Debbie Longhi)
  Re: Got my "Linux Journal"! (Maxim Spivak)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Kevin Lentin)
  Newbie: Got Yggdrasil LGX CDROM, now what? + DOS coexistence Q's (Juan Carlos Leon)
  pronunciation of linux (Yumin Yang)
  Re: DIP (Stephen McDonald)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  Re: OpenGL on Linux? (David Young)
  Small dial list patch for Minicom 1.60 (Cameron N. Heide)
  Don't want to make floppys! (Grant Edwards)
  Re: Don't want to make floppys! (Grant Edwards)
  Re: Minicom 1.60 available (David Lesher)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Tobias Keidl)
  Re: Screenshots (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)

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From: nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu (Nate Williams)
Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Linux
Date: 6 Mar 1994 00:37:41 GMT

In article <CM5CFI.Fru@seas.ucla.edu>,
Arthur D. Jerijian <jerijian@hurricane.seas.ucla.edu> wrote:
>  What is the difference between FreeBSD (386BSD) and Linux?

One has a name that starts with the English letter 'L', and the other
one starts with the English letter 'F'.

>Are they both UNIX clones, and is one better than the other?

Yes, and yes.  The second yes is completely dependent on what you want
to do.  It's impossible to get a fully technical answer on which one is
better the same way that it's impossible to get a fully technical answer
on which editor, operating system, microprocessor, company, or any other
highly subjective topic.

Both Linux and FreeBSD are changing on a daily basis, and to compare
them on a technical level requires someone who knows alot about both of
them, and anyone who knows alot about one doesn't have time to learn
about the other.

My advice is to look at the features list for both and see which one has
those you are a looking for.  Install one and see if you like it.  If
you don't, try the other one.




Nate
-- 
nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu     |  FreeBSD core member and all around tech.
nate@cs.montana.edu          |  weenie.
work #: (406) 994-4836       |  Graduating May '94 with a BS in EE 
home #: (406) 586-0579       |  - looking for work in CS/EE field.

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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: [q] Power PC and Linux?
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 94 08:40:18 GMT

In article <CM2no6.280@du.edu> yohgaki@cassandra.cair.du.edu (Yasuo Ohgaki) writes:
>PowerPC might be a choice, but remember IBM's
>PowerPC comes with Personal AIX, Apple's PowerMac
>comes with System7

Both are absolutely HORRIBLE lame excuses for an Operating System!!!


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From: longhid@sheila.uncg.edu (Debbie Longhi)
Subject: Request Comments on Legacy System compatibility
Date: 5 Mar 1994 20:46:36 GMT

Hi fellow linuxers,

   I would like to know if anyone out there has had any experience with
the following system.  A professor of mine is thinking of getting one
to run Linux on for both personal use and development.

In particular I would like to know of any incompatibilities anyone has
encountered with the specific hardware.  Since I am  the one who convinced
him to run linux, I want to make sure he won't encounter any unforeseen 
hurdles.  I can't see anything that will not run with linux but I am not 
an expert on hardware compatibility so I figured ask the experts.  He will 
be running a full distribution probably slackware 1.1.2 including XFree86 
and other packages.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and or comment.  It is greatly
appreciated by both my professor and myself.  Respond here or via e-mail and
I will gladly post a summary is anyone is interested.


SYSTEM INFORMATION:
  
   Legacy EISA VLB Series
   80486DX2-66 processor
      built in numeric coprocessor
      8K internal cache
   256K external cache
      programmed to operate in write-back mode using AMI-BIOS
      upgradable to 1MB
   4MB memory std or 16MB memory (depending on cost)
      expandable to 128MB on board
   32-bit VL-Bus IDE controller
      supports 2 floppy and 2 hard drives
   2 serial port
   1 parallel port
   1 game port
   Western Digital 320MB 12ms hard drive
      built-in 128K cache buffer
                  or
   WD 420MB 12ms with 128K cache (From Legacy EISA NT Series)

   Legacy's 32-Bit VL-Bus card 
      based on Cirrus Logic's 5428 Windows graphics accelerator 
      displays up to 16.7 million colors
                  or
   Legacy's 32-Bit VL-Bus card (From Legacy EISA NT Series)
      based on Orchid Technology's 1MB VRAM graphics accelerator

   Proton 14" Super VGA edge-to-edge monitor with .28mm dot pitch
                  or
   CTX 15" edge-to-edge Super VGA (1024x768ni) monitor with .28mm dot pitch 
            (From Legacy EISA NT Series)
                  or 
   CTX 17" SVGA (From Legacy EISA NT Series) (probably this monitor)

   all comes in a tower case with either 200W or 230W power supply, and 5 
     or 7 expansion drive bays.

   and of course a mouse, keyboard, floppy drives, modem,  etc...

Thanks again for you time,

Debbie Longhi
Internet: longhid@lear.uncg.edu


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From: maxims@uclink.berkeley.edu (Maxim Spivak)
Subject: Re: Got my "Linux Journal"!
Date: 6 Mar 1994 01:28:18 GMT

In article <longsa94%cs02.71.0@cadetmail.usafa.af.mil>, longsa94%cs02@cadetmail.usafa.af.mil (Sean A. Long) says:
>
>>
>>Anyway, the number of LJ subscribers will be a good indicator of Linux
>>popularity. So if you haven't subscribed already, DO IT NOW. The price
>>is certainly right.
>
>I keep reading about how great LJ is, and recommendations to get it, but my 
>newsserver was dead when the info on HOW to get it was posted...  How can I 
>get it, and what is its price?
>
>-=> Sean Long

**************** LINUX JOURNAL ************************
The subscriptions are $19/year 'anywhere on the planet'

Send subscription orders to
        Linux Journal 
        P.O. Box 3364
        Westport, CT 06880-8364
        or
        FAX (203) 454-2582
        or
        CALL 1-800-546-7274 in US or +1-203-454-3242 elsewhere

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From: kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 6 Mar 1994 02:30:54 GMT

On 5 Mar 1994 21:59:32 GMT, Yumin Yang wrote:

> Hi, folks,
> How should I pronunce the letter "i" in "linux", like the one in "line" or
> the one in "linear"?  Thanks.

There's a post somewhere around where Linus describes how it should be
pronounced. Strangely though, it made no sense to me. I managed to conclude
that the u should be prounced like the i in "it". So I gave up on that one
and pronounce it lie-nuks. (i as in "line" and u as in "ugly").

I've also heard linix (it and it, like minix), linux (it and ugly).

I always presumed linux would be pronounced similarly to Linus which I
pronounce as desribed above. I'd love a definitive answer.

-- 
[==================================================================]
[ Kevin Lentin                   |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\__/~\__/~\_| ]
[ kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au  |___/~\/~\_____/~\______/~\/~\__| ]
[ Macintrash: 'Just say NO!'     |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\____/~~\___| ]
[==================================================================]

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From: jleon@phakt.usc.edu (Juan Carlos Leon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Newbie: Got Yggdrasil LGX CDROM, now what? + DOS coexistence Q's
Date: 5 Mar 1994 18:37:55 -0800

Ok, I'm ready to get into this Linux business.  I just bought the Yggdrasil
LGX: Linux/GNU/X CDROM.  I haven't installed it yet and I want to know several
things before I do:

- How is this Yggdrasil CD?  is it complete or should I go and shop for
  another one?

- The included kernel is 0.99.13 is there any new one? should I upgrade it?

- What else should I get from the net? any significant upgrade that I should
  get?

- I want to have DOS also in my hard drive, I have two partitions of 100Mb
each, both with DOS & Windows programs.  I'll use Stacker or Doublespace
to compress one of them and put the other partition contents on it.
Which partition should I use for Linux?  I mean, does it have to be the
first partition?

- I read sometime last year that one can have the swap partition for linux
and the permanent swap file for Windows on a single small partition, sharing
the space.  Please let me know how to do this.

- Oh, the most important question, will it work with my OmniCD (it's a
Panasonic 563-B with a Creative Labs interface).

I would prefer if you answer me via email, you can also post your answer here
but let me know since the amount of post makes hard to find and answer the my
question.

Thanks a lot to everybody!

Juan Leon

-- 
email: jleon@scf.usc.edu                   *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*
Major in Electrical Engineering, Computers | --**<this space for rent>**-- |
University of Southern California          |                               |
Los Angeles, CA.  USA                      *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*

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From: ymy@johann.engin.umich.edu (Yumin Yang)
Subject: pronunciation of linux
Date: 5 Mar 1994 21:59:32 GMT


Hi, folks,
How should I pronunce the letter "i" in "linux", like the one in "line" or
the one in "linear"?  Thanks.

-ymy
-- 
-Yumin Yang     ymy@engin.umich.edu

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From: stephmcd@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen McDonald)
Subject: Re: DIP
Date: 6 Mar 1994 03:03:14 GMT

In article <2l9o3vINN61b@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>,
Young Charlie <young933@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu> wrote:
> I have set up DIP correctly on my system and can connect to my remote
> system's SLIP connection. When you login with DIP , my University's
> machine allows you to start a SLIP connection by selecting #10 from
> a Zyplex Menu system. When you press 10, the stats for the SLIP
> connection are shown and the system (I guess, waits for you to start your
> end). At this point , I go back into Local mode on DIP and was told
> (by NET-2-HOWTO) to type local <mylocaladdress> and remote <systems
> address> (BTW, our system is a Dynamic Type, where it changes the IP
> address) , but when i type remote or local for that matter, DIP says:
> command not found. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

The net-2 doc. you are reading is a little out of date.  I don't know
if a new one exists or not.

  #1 : Try typing help at the dip prompt you might learn something.
  #2 : The commands you want are 'get $rmtip YOURIP' and
       'get $locip THE.UNIVERISIY'S.IP'

                                                Steve
                                                (3rd EE comp. opt.)

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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 03:02:00 GMT

kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin) writes:
>
>There's a post somewhere around where Linus describes how it should be
>pronounced. Strangely though, it made no sense to me.

It makes no sense to most native English speakers, because the sounds
he uses seem extremely unnatural to us.  It shouldn't come as any sur-
prise that Linus isn't a native English speaker.  Think of learning to
say it right as a rite of passage :-).

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: dyoung@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (David Young)
Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.opengl
Subject: Re: OpenGL on Linux?
Date: 5 Mar 1994 22:17:01 GMT

nygren@athena.mit.edu (Erik Nygren) writes:
>How could an OpenGL port to Linux be realized?  According to the OpenGL FAQ,
>the sources to it are tightly controlled to avoid divergence of the source
>code and the resulting incompatability problems.  As a result, the source is
>sold for a very high licensing fee to a company who then does the port, build
>the binaries, and then distributes them with a small royalty for each copy
>sold.  I would assume that the company which would do this would be operating
>system or platform vendor. However, Linux has no such vendor.  Therefore,
>there is no one who has the money to spend to get the license (for the sample
>implementation).

        A group could be formed to do the port to Linux, and then a fund could
be formed to make enough money to buy a license. I'd be willing to donate
quite a bit of time, and even a _little_ money, to porting OpenGL to Linux.
(That way I could learn it, also! :-)

        Perhaps if a "worthy" group of graphics programmers is assembled, SGI
could be convinced to donate the OpenGL license.

        How expensive IS the license?

>Is there any way a special exception could be made in the case of Linux?  From
>looking at the FAQ, it appears that the purpose of the license is primarily to
>provide tight control over the evolution of the source, not to make large
>amounts of money.  (Correct me if I'm wrong here.)

        Where do I get the OpenGL FAQ?

        Just a minor gripe... use no more than 80 columns in your messages,
please. :-)

David Young (Computer Enthusiast and Nice Guy)


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From: heide@ee.ualberta.ca (Cameron N. Heide)
Subject: Small dial list patch for Minicom 1.60
Date: 6 Mar 1994 03:20:35 GMT

        Minicom 1.60 seems to have a small bug in that when connecting to
a system dialed from a marked list, the first system in the list is
removed from the list regardless of whether that was the system that
actually connected or not (i.e. dialent() doesn't realize that the system
it connects to isn't necessarily the same one it passed to dial() ).

        The following quick hack should fix the problem.  Patch over the
original sources (modified sources *may* still work but may need to
be manually edited) with 'patch < patch_file_name' in the source dir.

        Note that this does not in any way imply that I'm involved
in the development of minicom -- I'm just suggesting a method of
fixing an annoying 'feature'... :)

        (Note: this is the second version of this patch -- the first
had a small error and was cancelled but may still appear at your site).

=======[cut here]==========[cut here]============[cut here]=============
*** dial.c.orig Sat Mar  5 19:31:22 1994
--- dial.c      Sat Mar  5 19:45:33 1994
***************
*** 249,257 ****
  /*
   * Dial a number, and display the name.
   */
! int dial(d)
! struct dialent *d;
  {
    char *s, *t;
    int f, x, nb, retst = -1;
    int modidx, retries = 0;
--- 249,258 ----
  /*
   * Dial a number, and display the name.
   */
! int dial(d_ret)
! struct dialent **d_ret;
  {
+   struct dialent *d;
    char *s, *t;
    int f, x, nb, retst = -1;
    int modidx, retries = 0;
***************
*** 261,266 ****
--- 262,269 ----
    char buf[128];
    char modbuf[128];
  
+   d = *d_ret;
+ 
    dialwin = wopen(18, 9, 62, 15, BSINGLE, stdattr, MFG, MBG, 0, 0, 1);
    wtitle(dialwin, TMID, "Autodial");
    wcursor(dialwin, CNONE);
***************
*** 287,292 ****
--- 290,296 ----
                do {
                        d = d->next;
                        if (d == (struct dialent *)NULL) d = dialents;
+                       *d_ret = d;
                } while(!(d->flags & FL_TAG));
                wlocate(dialwin, 0, 1);
                wprintf(dialwin, " Dialing : %s", d->name);
***************
*** 831,837 ****
    wclose(w, 1);
    if (buf[0] != 0) {
        strcpy(d_man->number, buf);
!       (void) dial(d_man);
        return;
    }
    
--- 835,841 ----
    wclose(w, 1);
    if (buf[0] != 0) {
        strcpy(d_man->number, buf);
!       (void) dial(&d_man);
        return;
    }
    
***************
*** 1004,1010 ****
        newtype = d->term;
        vt_set(-1, -1, NULL, -1, -1, d->flags & FL_ECHO, -1);
        local_echo = d->flags & FL_ECHO;
!       if ((nb = dial(d)) < 0) return;
  
        /* Get out of tagged list. */
        d->flags &= ~FL_TAG;
--- 1008,1014 ----
        newtype = d->term;
        vt_set(-1, -1, NULL, -1, -1, d->flags & FL_ECHO, -1);
        local_echo = d->flags & FL_ECHO;
!       if ((nb = dial(&d)) < 0) return;
  
        /* Get out of tagged list. */
        d->flags &= ~FL_TAG;
*** minicom.h.orig      Sat Mar  5 19:56:03 1994
--- minicom.h   Sat Mar  5 19:55:13 1994
***************
*** 111,117 ****
  _PROTO(void modemreset, ( void ));
  _PROTO(void hangup, ( void ));
  _PROTO(void sendbreak, ( void ));
! _PROTO(int dial, ( struct dialent *d ));
  _PROTO(int readdialdir, ( void ));
  _PROTO(void dialdir, ( void ));
  
--- 111,117 ----
  _PROTO(void modemreset, ( void ));
  _PROTO(void hangup, ( void ));
  _PROTO(void sendbreak, ( void ));
! _PROTO(int dial, ( struct dialent **d ));
  _PROTO(int readdialdir, ( void ));
  _PROTO(void dialdir, ( void ));


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From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Don't want to make floppys!
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 01:43:17 GMT

I used the Yggdrasil CD for the first couple machines upon which I
installed Linux. This time, the machine doesn't have a SCSI
controller.

So, I decided to install a base system + network from floppies, then
install everything else via NFS.  My first choice was debian -- but it
won't install packages from a fs that's already mounted. As far as I
can tell, you have to have floppy disks.  I've got all of the packages
I want already on the Linux machine's hard disk, but I can't install
them from there, and I refuse to make a bunch of floppies containing
stuff that's already on the hard disk!

Next, I thought I would try Slackware.  According to the README files
I have to make a bunch of floppy disks with MS-DOS file systems from
which to install the system.  Yikes!  Why bring MS-DOS into the
picture?

A suggestion to people working on installtion procedures for Linux
distributions:

Let people install additional packages from mounted file systems!!!

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Pardon me, but do you
Rosemount Inc.                                |know what it means to be
                                              |TRULY ONE with your BOOTH!
grante@rosemount.com                          |

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From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Don't want to make floppys!
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 02:06:25 GMT

Grant Edwards (grante@hydro.rosemount.com) wrote:

: Next, I thought I would try Slackware.  According to the README files
: I have to make a bunch of floppy disks with MS-DOS file systems from
: which to install the system.  Yikes!  Why bring MS-DOS into the
: picture?

As always, 42 seconds after posting something like this, the answer
appears magically in the README file when it wasn't there the first
three times I read it.  The slackware install readme _does_ explain
what to do if you want to install from a network or hard drive.

My apologies.

It was the anti-histamines.  Yea, that's it, the anti-histamines!

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  INSIDE, I have the same
Rosemount Inc.                                |personality disorder as LUCY
                                              |RICARDO!!
grante@rosemount.com                          |

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From: wb8foz@netcom.com (David Lesher)
Subject: Re: Minicom 1.60 available
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 04:37:22 GMT

I have a generic minicom question.
I've added a second modem. Is there any way to specify more than one
possible modem? I'm willing to accept a different username, or if
needbe a separate executable (ugh), but what's the best way?
-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close...........(v)301 56 LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close)....kibo# 777............pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead..............vr....................20915-1433

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From: tkeidl@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Tobias Keidl)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 6 Mar 1994 04:25:04 GMT

In article <2lbf8u$85r@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>,
Kevin Lentin <kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>On 5 Mar 1994 21:59:32 GMT, Yumin Yang wrote:
>
>> Hi, folks,
>> How should I pronunce the letter "i" in "linux", like the one in "line" or
>> the one in "linear"?  Thanks.
>
>
>I always presumed linux would be pronounced similarly to Linus which I
>pronounce as desribed above. I'd love a definitive answer.
>

Oh boy, my first chance to tell people to read the faq =).  Its a 
question on the faq and it gives the pronunciation to be like minix
if I remember correctly.  Anyways...later...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
   t-keidl@nwu.edu                              Tobias S. Keidl
   tkeidl@merle.acns.nwu.edu                    Physics/Astronomy
                                                Northwestern University
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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From: kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
Subject: Re: Screenshots
Date: 6 Mar 1994 05:08:58 GMT

+--- matt Cable:
| Any easy way to take a snapshot of the screen and save it as a gif or jpg?

Yes, try xwd(1). You will need to convert it with xwdtopnm(1) and
ppmtogif(1) from the PBMPLUS package (or NETPBM). The main advantage
of using xwd(1) over xv(1) is that xwd doesn't have to be interactive,
and that you will not have an xv windown obscuring part of your
screen.


Kjetil T.


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