Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #789
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Date:     Tue, 8 Mar 94 19:13:23 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #789, Volume #1                 Tue, 8 Mar 94 19:13:23 EST

Contents:
  Re: Problems routing between LAN and internet (Herman Munster)
  X-Terminal / 286 (Eric Fuller)
  Re: "ls" IN TECHNICOLOR!!!! (Kai Henningsen)
  Re: BSD vs. Linux (Rob Healey)
  Re: Problems routing between LAN and internet (Rob Newberry)
  Re: BSD vs. Linux (Paul Southworth)
  Re: incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4' (Ron Smits)
  Re: Linux Journal (Ronald Olszewski)
  [Q] Columbia Appletalk Protocol (CAP)? (Steve Zellers)
  Linux startup/config questions (Douglas Donahue)
  Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering") (Elan Feingold)
  How to subcribe Linux Journal ? (Sinh V Ta)
  Re: Inode xxxxx not used with links_count ... (Peter Dalgaard SFE)
  Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering") (Vivek Khera)
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (p1nadeau@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu)
  C&T 65530 driver wanted (Keith Owens)
  Overland TX8 driver wanted (Keith Owens)

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From: munster@futuresource.com (Herman Munster)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Problems routing between LAN and internet
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 09:08:55

In article <2leb5f$lni@clarknet.clark.net> rob-n@clark.net (Rob Newberry) writes:

>I am having difficulty with linux routing information between my LAN
>and the internet.  Currently, I have a linux machine which is attached
>to my LAN using ethernet, with a SLIP modem connection to my provider,
>Clark internet services.  Following is a description of my problem, and
>I would appreciate anyone's help in a solution to the problem.  Perhaps
>someone else knows something with our set up that I am not doing 
>correctly.  Anyway, if anyone could help, I'd really appreciate it.

>Here is the situation:

>(first a diagram)

>oldmac.eats.com---|
>                  |
>devps2.eats.com---|
>                  |
>devmac.eats.com---|---dedalus.eats.com ---(SLIP)---- CLARKNET
>                  |
>bloom.eats.com----|
>                  |
>server.eats.com---|

if dedalus == 198.17.243.209 and other Windows systems running Chameleon
are on a different net (199.73.33.x) then you must specify a default gateway
for Chameleon that is on the same net as itself. That is to say set your
default gateway to 199.73.33.1 or something like that. Otherwise, I would
suggest that you change the IP address of dedalus to be on the same network and
then point all your macs and PCs at dedalus as a default gateway.

>OK, here's what happens.  From dedalus, I can telnet anywhere.  It has
>a clark.net address, after all (198.17.243.209).  The other machines
>can't telnet yet, because their IP's (199.73.33.x) are not in the
>routing tables outside clarknet yet (time to gripe at Sprint again,
>I suppose).  The bizarre problem is:  If I use either of two shareware
>telnet clients (WinQVT or telw) on Windows machines (bloom, devps2 or
>server) to get to a clarknet machine -- explorer or sun1 -- the following
>happens:

>  1) I get a login prompt & login. 
>  2) I get a password prompt & type it in.
>  3) I get a "CHOOSE TERMINAL TYPE" and I do.
>  4) The session hangs.

Generally caused by a failed name server lookup.



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: ericf@beaufort.sfu.ca (Eric Fuller)
Subject: X-Terminal / 286
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:01:06 GMT

Hi, all. I was wondering if there was any way to turn a 286 into
an X-terminal. I have bits and peices laying around the room doing
nothing so why not use them. Is there some sort of shareware
kludge or whatever that i can use to do this ? either a lan
connection or a fast serial connection would be fine by me.
Any ideas ? Thanks in advance for your help.

     Eric Fuller
     ericf@sfu.ca




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Date: 07 Mar 1994 19:52:00 +0100
From: kai@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen)
Subject: Re: "ls" IN TECHNICOLOR!!!!

stu1084@alpha.wright.edu wrote on 07.03.94 in <CM9s8s.n2s@mercury.wright.edu>:

> And who-ever wrote the program... your a SAVIOR!!!  Could you port it to
> MS-DOS Please?????

That has already been done long ago. It's called "4dos" :-)

Kai
--
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
From: rhealey@sirius.aggregate.com (Rob Healey)
Subject: Re: BSD vs. Linux
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:04:08 GMT

In article <2li8sn$6m8@spruce.cic.net>,
Paul Southworth <pauls@locust.cic.net> wrote:
>In article <1994Mar8.141900.2906@wubios.wustl.edu>,
>David J Camp <david@wubios.wustl.edu> wrote:
>>What are the relative merits of NetBSD vs. Linux?  Is either
>>technically superior?  I suppose BSD is more portable.  How difficult
>>is would it be to port the Linux utilities to BSD?  -David-
>
>They're free.  Try them both.  If people could actually agree that one
>is better, it would be impossible to explain why both have such large
>and devoted followings.
>
        Enter soapbox mode:

        There is one basic reason to choose NetBSD over Linux for
        alot of people:

        It runs fully on something other than an x86. i.e. NetBSD has
        full support for x86, SPARC, Sun3, Amiga, HP300, Mac and a few other
        architectures.

        Those of us who prefer to avoid the x86 architecture go with
        NetBSD because it is the only one of the major Free UNIXi that
        runs fully on non-x86 architectures.

        In the end I think NetBSD will probably be the strongest BSD
        derived OS due to the wide array of architectures it supports. More
        people to insure better portability and robustness.

        End soapbox mode:

                -Rob

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From: rob-n@clark.net (Rob Newberry)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Problems routing between LAN and internet
Date: 8 Mar 1994 18:36:14 GMT

: >oldmac.eats.com---|
: >                  |
: >devps2.eats.com---|
: >                  |
: >devmac.eats.com---|---dedalus.eats.com ---(SLIP)---- CLARKNET
: >                  |
: >bloom.eats.com----|
: >                  |
: >server.eats.com---|

: if dedalus == 198.17.243.209 and other Windows systems running Chameleon
: are on a different net (199.73.33.x) then you must specify a default gateway
: for Chameleon that is on the same net as itself. That is to say set your
: default gateway to 199.73.33.1 or something like that. Otherwise, I would
: suggest that you change the IP address of dedalus to be on the same network and
: then point all your macs and PCs at dedalus as a default gateway.

That is exactly (sort of?) what I have.  I didn't give enough info in
my post originally.  dedalus has an IP address of 199.73.33.100, and it
is listed as the gateway for all machines on my LAN.  dedalus, does,
however, have a local IP address on the SLIP connection, too -- it
is eats.clark.net, 198.17.243.209.  The clarknet machine on the other
end is 198.17.243.4.  Hope this additional info helps. (helps you help me,
that is :-).

By the way, the routing tables have been updated.  We can telnet outside
clarknet to other machines, and it works fine.  Furthermore, I
updated my kernel to 99.15.j, and the "cat -s" no longer hangs it, but
"tin" does.  It is also possible that the guys at clarknet tried
to fix something on their end, and fixed "cat" while "tin" still won't
work, in which case the kernel upgrade did nothing (I had hoped to
use PPP instead of SLIP, but couldn't get it to work).  Anyway,
it still is broken, and I can't figure out why.

Thanks again for any help.

Rob Newberry
rob-n@clark.net



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From: pauls@locust.cic.net (Paul Southworth)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: BSD vs. Linux
Date: 8 Mar 1994 16:24:55 GMT

In article <1994Mar8.141900.2906@wubios.wustl.edu>,
David J Camp <david@wubios.wustl.edu> wrote:
>What are the relative merits of NetBSD vs. Linux?  Is either
>technically superior?  I suppose BSD is more portable.  How difficult
>is would it be to port the Linux utilities to BSD?  -David-

:%s;BSD;Coke Classic;
:%s;Linux;Pepsi;


They're free.  Try them both.  If people could actually agree that one
is better, it would be impossible to explain why both have such large
and devoted followings.


--
Paul Southworth
CICNet Systems Support
pauls@cic.net

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4'
Date: 8 Mar 1994 06:36:29 GMT

Dongjin Han (dj@lems25) wrote:


: Hi
: I always get this message like 
: make: using incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4'
:         Desire minor version >= 510 and found 402
: And finally compilation fails.
: Can anybody help me?
: Thanks

: --
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:  ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` `
: -Dongjin Han, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
:  dj@lems.brown.edu ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` `  
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--

You have upgraded your programs, like gcc but you have not upgraded your
libraries in /lib. get the newest from tsx-11 AND READ THE README before
you install it!


                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                         -*/


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From: rono@panix.com (Ronald Olszewski)
Subject: Re: Linux Journal
Date: 8 Mar 1994 14:39:41 -0500

In <1994Mar8.142152.203@mp.cs.niu.edu> yuan%tyuan@mp.cs.niu.edu writes:

>Paul M. Gazella (gazella@delphi.com) wrote:
>: I've noticed that a number of people have mentioned receiving the first
>: issue of the Linux Journal.  I've also noticed that they were reporting from
>: the west coast.  Has anyone out there in the midwest (preferably Ohio) had
>: their issue arrive yet?

>  Great ovservation! Me too, in chicago area, is still waiting. Anyone
>in this area already got one by Tuesday?  --yuan
>-- 

I live in New York and got my copy on Tuesday.

-Ron Olszewski
 rono@panix.com



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From: zellers@berksys.com (Steve Zellers)
Subject: [Q] Columbia Appletalk Protocol (CAP)?
Date: 7 Mar 1994 22:55:56 GMT

Howdy,

Anyone gotten Columbia AppleTalk Protocol to run under Linux as yet?  My
knowledge of the low level net drivers required is pretty skimpy, though
this looks like a good way to learn it.  Anybody want to help ;-)

Thanks,
--smz

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From: odoncaoa@panix.com (Douglas Donahue)
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Linux startup/config questions
Date: 7 Mar 1994 15:22:42 -0500

Hi,

Over the weekend I installed most of the 1.1.2 distribution.
I directed that LILO be placed on a floppy disk at the approp-
riate place in the install. When I tried to boot it I got
something to the effect of:

L1010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010
1010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010...

which was endless. I came across some info about hex code generation
in the LDP install book during the course of a LILO boot. However, I
waited a more than generous amount of time (in my opion) for LILO
to engage; something on the order of 2 minutes. It didn't during that
time. I then used the LILO of the introductory boot disk to bring the
system up. When I tried to manually create a LILO disk as in the
/sbin/liloconfig (I think that is what it was called) script, I get
the following error message:

        Cmd:  "/sbin/lilo -r -m /boot/map -C /etc/lilo.conf"
        Resp: "chroot -m: No such file or directory"

The /boot/map file and the /etc/lilo.conf files exist and contain what
seem to be appropriate data. /etc/lilo.conf definitely does. /boot/map
is in binary format, so I am surmising it does.

The goal of the exercise that I am trying to attain is to create a
LILO floppy. I then will place LILO on my hard disk once I am satis-
fied that I am up to speed with all of the MBR particulars. 

Another problem that I have is that the boot sequence does not seem
to have executed all the way thru to completion. If it has then I need
to tweek the appropriate files in /etc so that the rest of the
boot sequence gets executed? The reason I believe this is that the
root partition has been left mounted as a read-only filesystem after
the system has been brought up to the point that I can log in. I did
place the System V code on the system, however. I am not thoroughly
versed in the sys admin procedures that where placed into system V so
perhaps I have to manually take the system to a new run level for the
time being until I execute the requisite admin so that root at least is
mounted read-write?


If any of this rings a bell to you, and you are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of
the appropriate corrective actions to be undertaken then please respond
to me by mail.

Cheers,

Douglas R. Donahue
odoncaoa@mt747.att.com

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From: elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu (Elan Feingold)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering")
Date: 8 Mar 1994 20:42:27 GMT
Reply-To: elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu (Elan Feingold)


> Sorry to be so long-winded, but I get the impression that some people
> think these products are just tossed out the door when it suits someone's
> whim. 

One of the nice things about gcc is that when a bug is found, it gets fixed
pronto.  Users all over the country use gcc, abuse it, and some percentage of 
then report the bugs they find, which then get fixed (eventually), and then
new versions of gcc appear on prep.ai.mit.edu or where ever that include the
fixes found.

In contrast, getting a patch from a commercial compiler vendor is like getting
teeth pulled, or something similar.  Even if they send you a patch, it takes
a long time, and what about all the other users out there who have the buggy
version?  They don't see that patch.

-elan

--
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|  Elan Feingold       |                                       |
|  CS/EE Depts.        |                          |
|  Cornell University  |     ( .sig currently under construction )     |
|  Ithaca NY 14850     |                        |
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From: vsta@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Sinh V Ta)
Subject: How to subcribe Linux Journal ?
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 20:08:26 GMT

Hello all!
I'm a newbie to Linux. I need to read more about Linux. If any one know how to 
subcrribe to Linux Journal. Please kindly show me.
        Thanxalot!


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: pd@kubism.ku.dk (Peter Dalgaard SFE)
Subject: Re: Inode xxxxx not used with links_count ...
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 17:58:29 GMT

Hmm. This msg was seen when upgrading from 0.3 -> 0.4 
e2fsck, revealing that 0.3 didn't clear the links count
when freeing inodes (and e2fsck 0.3 didn't check). Any
chance that the atdisk install accidentally downgraded
the kernel ext2 code?
--
   O_   ---- Peter Dalgaard
  c/ /'  --- Statistical Research Unit
 ( ) \( ) -- University of Copenhagen
~~~~~~~~~~ - (pd@kubism.ku.dk)

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From: khera@cs.duke.edu (Vivek Khera)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering")
Date: 8 Mar 94 22:00:09 GMT

>>>>> "EF" == Elan Feingold <elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu> writes:

EF> One of the nice things about gcc is that when a bug is found, it
EF> gets fixed pronto.

If this were only true for the C++ part of gcc, I'd be happy.  I've
reported a discrepancy between GNU C++ and my interpretation of a
section of the ARM, and never got a response.  I reported the same
problem for every version from 2.5.1 thru 2.5.7 and never even got so
much as a "no, you're totally off base" or "we know about this" or
"here's a fix".  This is keeping me from updating gcc on our system
because students who are learning C++ can't tell the difference
between a compiler bug and one of their own.  I'd rather they not have
to worry about the compiler bugs, especially ones that are so blatant.
--
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Internet: khera@cs.duke.edu               Box 90129
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From: p1nadeau@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 22:03:50 GMT

In article <1994Mar7.031821.11418@rpp386>, jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:
> 
> But you say, "How can this possibly be?"  It "be" because IBM holds most
> of the interesting compiler patents.  IBM also employs quite a few really
> slick compiler writers.  And IBM can afford to employ all those Canadians
> because there is a profit motive.  The state of the art in commercial
> software will always be vastly better than the state of the art in free
> software.  There is only so much "research and development" you can do
> in your spare time.
        Nobody is going to be researching advances into IBM compilers in their
free time. "Lots 'n' lots" of people will be researching Gnuware in their free
time. The idea is that the free time of us commie programmers far exceeds the
paid time of those IBM deckslaves.
        In "The Mythical Man-Month", Fred P. Brooks puts forth some axioms of
software engineering he learned after managing the OS/360 project at IBM. As
you may or may not know, OS/360 was the kind of big-time commercial bone-headed
blunders that IBM is so famous for and that would NEVER happen with a labor of
love like Linux.
        Some of the postulates state that informality increases productivity.
The best debugging takes place after-hours in a machine room, where the
programmers can relax despite the large amounts of caffeine present simply
because the 9-to-5 pressure is off. In the FSF paradigm, software is developed
in a COMPLETELY informal environment, becoming formal only after the maintainers
of the code freeze a release.
        Another suggestion made by Brooks is that programmers be given a
"playpen" area to fool with their code before its sent to the integrators. The
size of the "playpen" for any given FSF project is astronomical compared to the
tiny little development labs of IBM.
        Brooks also shows that the more communication necessary between members
of a software development team, the more time will be wasted and the bigger
chances for a SNAFU. Figures show that the average amount of time a software
engineer spends on spec/design/code/test is roughly HALF his working hours, the
other half going to all those boring meetings and phone conversations. Most FSF
patches aren't done by teams. They are done by one or two people working
togethor, needing only to communicate with their own memories. Only when the
project is finished need it be pushed into a high-traffic environment.
        The biggest argument in favor of the argument that Free Software is
Better Software comes from the software life cycle. Boehm's Spiral Model for
Software Development (loosely) shows that software is made in a series of
Spec/Design/Code/Test cycles that get smaller and more atomic as the product
approaches the "Ideal". Statistically, once the initial work on a project
is done, the fastest progress is made by flying through the spiral as fast as
manpower allows. The inference is obvious.

> -- 
> John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
> Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
>  There are three documents that run my life: The King James Bible, the United
>  States Constitution, and the UNIX System V Release 4 Programmer's Reference.
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        But why am I telling you any of this? It's equally obvious that you are
out of touch with the history of the industry if you can espouse a negative
philosophy to the FSF and still regard this book as a holy work.

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From: i13364@testbox.apana.org.au (Keith Owens)
Subject: C&T 65530 driver wanted
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 13:18:56 +1100

Looking for Linux drivers for Chips & Technology SVGA 65530 chipset.
Currently running 0.99.pl13, I do not have access to the development 
newsgroup.


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From: i13364@testbox.apana.org.au (Keith Owens)
Subject: Overland TX8 driver wanted
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 94 11:00:12 +1100


 Has anybody written a Linux driver for an Overland TX8 card?  It is
 for a 9 track, half inch mainframe type tape drive.  Alternatively
 does anybody have any documentation on the card interface?  I know it
 is non-IRQ, non-DMA, just uses 8 I/O addresses so it should not be too
 difficult to write a driver for.  I already have Overland's number, I
 am just trying not to reinvent the wheel.
 
 Currently running 0.99.pl13, I do not have access to the development
 newsgroup.

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