Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #792
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Date:     Thu, 10 Mar 94 02:13:08 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #792, Volume #1                Thu, 10 Mar 94 02:13:08 EST

Contents:
  486SX vs 486DX - difference in performance using Linux (Ove Hansen)
  Re: Linux Journal (Brent Glines)
  Re: DOOM for X (David Simmons)
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (Richard Smith)
  SoftPC/Linux? (Jeff Miller)
  xlock source patches for shadow password (Disaster prone simpleton)
  Re: Panasonic 562-B drivers? (Mark Lord)
  Linux Journal (Doug Zimmerman)
  Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors (Edwin Tisdale)
  Re: [Q] Columbia Appletalk Protocol (CAP)? (Topic-Administrator for tcl (Bernd Kratz))
  Re: Pascal compiler for linux (Steven Whitlatch)
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (Chris Flatters)
  Re: Panasonic 562-B drivers? (Mario Nascimento)
  Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX! (Arthur Tateishi)
  Serial and ethercard docs (Robert Moser)
  Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors (Kelly Murray)
  PCI motherboard and devices (Munindar Singh)
  Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX! (Grant Taylor)

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From: ove@groovy.neu.sgi.com (Ove Hansen)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.intel
Subject: 486SX vs 486DX - difference in performance using Linux
Date: 8 Mar 1994 13:38:00 GMT

I'm aware of the difference between the various CPUs but what I would 
like to know is how important the FPU in the DX processor is for the
performance of a system running Linux (or Unix in general). What will 
the performance hit be if I choose an SX over a DX processor (assuming 
both have the same processor speed)? Of course this would depend upon 
what I do (I assume posting this would take the same amount of time 
on both :-) but let's assume the system has oodles of memory and would 
be used for:

- X-windows (using the usual desktop tools, and Tseng ET4000 or Trident 
  TVGA display adapter)
- compiling/developing source
- News (INN) and mail server

how much of a gain is the DX in the different situations? 

-- 
Ove Hansen - e-mail: ove@groovy.neu.sgi.com

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From: bglines@iti.org (Brent Glines)
Subject: Re: Linux Journal
Date: 9 Mar 1994 15:22:25 GMT

Salt Lake City, Ut - Friday, 4 March.
--

Brent Glines
bglines@powell.sim.es.com

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From: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu (David Simmons)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: 9 Mar 1994 15:20:37 GMT
Reply-To: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu

In article <CM44Lq.78x@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
Pat Breen <c9220321@sage.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>: I mailed him, and he said that although he's working under Linux, he wants the
>: port to be a generic X11 port, rather than a Linux specific port.  Hence not
>: using svgalib.
>
>Hmmm... I spose for the average Linux user, that aint so good...
>Anyone interested in possibly getting an svgalib version going - would
>anyone consider it for speed's sake??

The X version should be just as fast as an svgalib version, because
David Taylor is using the shared memory extentions of X.  Hence,
no real need for an svga version.

David

-- 
David Simmons, System Administrator                 simmons@ee.msstate.edu
Mississippi State University Electrical and Computer Engineering
Visit my home page!  http://www.msstate.edu/~dls3/

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From: rasmith@comp..uark.edu (Richard Smith)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"
Date: 9 Mar 1994 08:19:17 GMT

d91a1bo@meryl.csd.uu.se (Alexander Bottema) writes:

>Magnus> Because FSF release it as they change it. If you wanted a
>Magnus> stable GCC you would use v1.x.x. As of now 2.5.8 is considered
>Magnus> a stable release.  Ever wonder why GCC is better than all
>Magnus> those commercial compilers?

>Yes. The most commercial compilers I have seen produce bogus code, but
>of course the stupid customer is happy with all these 3D-shaded fancy
>buttons provided in its wimpy environment (e.g. Borland C++ v.x). Now,

  I disagree with your statement that the Borland programming enviroment
is a wimpy enviroment.  The Borland 3.x editor is simply the best 
editor I have yet to use.  The 3.1 is a dos based (text) screen that is fast
VERY easy to learn and very flexable.  I have been using the Borland compilers
at work for several years now and am quite proficient with it.  I have been 
using various editors on the Campus Sun machines and have yet to find an 
editor comparable to the Borland editor.  As a matter of fact if it was not for the ease of use of the Borland editor I would taken a lot longer to realize 
that source level debuggers/editors existed on a UNIX platform.  

The above statement does not include EMACS however.  I have long heard that
EMACS is the endall be all of programming editors.  But by the time I install
the damn thing on my Linux system I have no room left for code developement.
 :( 

>everybody seem to forget the main issue of a compiler, namely
>_compiling_; the essential thing is the _result_. So far, GNU-C has
>one of the best front end optimizing compilers in the world. It has a
>wonderful abstract machine, RTL, and perform wonderful semantic
>optimizations such as eliminating tail recursion. Now, please tell me
>the version of a Borland bogus compiler that can do that.

There is no doubt that The GCC compiler is a superior compiler to the Borland
compiler.  But I don't think it is founded to attack a the whole product based 
only on one part when other parts are very well done.

A senior programming friend of mine has a quote that I like to use:

   "There is no room for religion in programming."

If someone would care to point out an X based editor ( or Xterm) that they
 really like, I would be most happy to hear from them.  I really would like
to find a system that will allow me the write/compile/debug capabilities that
I have under the Borland 3.1 EDITOR.

Incidently, the borland editor will allow the implanting of the GCC compiler, 
but to do so removes the resident debugging features I beleive.
 
I use the Borland 3.1 editor to compile my CLIPPER code quite nicely.


Richard A. Smith   N5VBL               | "You eidiot!  Look what you've done"   
ras2@engr.uark.edu                     | "You've pressed the history eraser
Arkansas Center for Technology Transfer|  button"    --Ren
Engineering Research Center            |           
University of Arkansas @ Fayetteville  |  LINUX: The Boss OS!
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden

--
Richard A. Smith   N5VBL               | "You eidiot!  Look what you've done"   
ras2@engr.uark.edu                     | "You've pressed the history eraser
Arkansas Center for Technology Transfer|  button"    --Ren
Engineering Research Center            |           

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From: jmiller@terra.colostate.edu (Jeff Miller)
Subject: SoftPC/Linux?
Date: 9 Mar 94 21:43:09 GMT

I was just thinking...

Seeing how SoftPC runs reasonably well on Suns and Macintoshes, how hard
would it be for Insignia to make a PC emulator for the PC over Linux? I
think a product like this would bring Linux the compatibility it needs,
and the following it deserves.

I could then format my drive and make one big Linux partition :)

--
 ___________________________________________________________________________
|                                                                           |
| jmiller@terra.colostate.edu (Jeff Miller)  |  TERRA Systems Administrator |
|___________________________________________________________________________|

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Subject: xlock source patches for shadow password
From: m91dps@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Disaster prone simpleton)
Date: 9 Mar 94 15:35:04 GMT

Here are context diffs for xlock2 source code to use shadow passwords. They
should really be clean up but if I waited for that to happen they would get
posted some time indefinately in the future. The changes that should be made
are
  -makefile diffs should be added
  -#define SHADOWPWD should be change to a -DSHADOWPWD compiler flag
  -the diffs that read the password should be changed to a single big diff.

To get the new version of the program to compile you need to
-Set read permission of /etc/shadow to group shadow
-change xlock to group shadow
-make shadow setgid (setuid confuses it and it gets the user wrong).
-add the shadow library to the libraries linked.

Duncan (-:
"Just a quick hack"
\begin{Unrelated one-line questions/notes}
P.S. Anyone know where mailer sources are so I can fix some the security
holes reported?
P.P.S. FAQ/HOWTO idea
  How about a porting HOWTO that gives info about what libraries and header
  files we don't have contain and what to substitute?
P.P.P.S. Where can I get the crypt library (libcrypt.a I think)
P.P.P.P.S. Shadow-3.3.3 source needs fixes
#include "linux/types.h" to get pwd.h to agree with the GPL version of shadow.h
gre<something>.c needs changing so all the function are void return and basicly
follow the SRV4 version.
\end{Unrelated one-line questions/notes}

======================cut here======================cut here===================
*** xlock.c.old Fri May  8 20:43:51 1992
--- xlock.c     Wed Mar  9 01:24:01 1994
***************
*** 117,131 ****
--- 117,138 ----
   *
   */
  
+ #define SHADOWPWD /* has shadow password */
+ 
  #include <stdio.h>
  #include <signal.h>
  #include <string.h>
+ #ifdef SHADOWPWD
+ #include "shadow.h"
+ #endif
  #include <pwd.h>
  
+ 
  #include "xlock.h"
  #include <X11/cursorfont.h>
  #include <X11/Xatom.h>
  
+ 
  extern char *crypt();
  extern char *getenv();
  
***************
*** 414,428 ****
--- 421,453 ----
      char       *user;
      XWindowAttributes xgwa;
      int         y, left, done;
+ #ifdef SHADOWPWD
+     struct spwd *pw;
+ #else
      struct passwd *pw;
+ #endif
  
+ #ifdef SHADOWPWD
+     pw = getspnam("root");
+     strcpy(rootpass, pw->sp_pwdp);
+ #else
      pw = getpwnam("root");
      strcpy(rootpass, pw->pw_passwd);
+ #endif
  
+ #ifdef SHADOWPWD
+     pw = getspnam(cuserid(NULL));
+     strcpy(userpass, pw->sp_pwdp);
+ #else
      pw = getpwnam(cuserid(NULL));
      strcpy(userpass, pw->pw_passwd);
+ #endif
  
+ #ifdef SHADOWPWD
+     user = pw->sp_namp;
+ #else
      user = pw->pw_name;
+ #endif
  
      XGetWindowAttributes(dsp, win[screen], &xgwa);
  

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: Panasonic 562-B drivers?
Date: 9 Mar 1994 16:25:10 GMT

In article <1994Mar9.225116.1@uqvax> mail_jboot@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au writes:
>It is probably a long shot, but what the hell...
>
>I am just about to install Linux and was wondering if there are any drivers
>for the Panasonic 562-B CD-ROM drive.  Any info on file name and/or FTP
>site would be appreciated.

This drive (I have one) is supported *directly* by the kernel (99pl14,15,1.0).
To use it, you may need to rebuild the linux kernel after configuring the
support module for Matsushita/Panasonic/SoundBlasterPro CD-ROM support.

If your CD-ROM is using the itty-bitty interface card that came with it,
no problem.  If it is connected to a Sound card (SBPRO et al.), no problem.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: zimmermn@samsara.rchland.ibm.com (Doug Zimmerman)
Subject: Linux Journal
Date: 8 Mar 1994 16:37:18 GMT
Reply-To: zimmermn@rchvmv.vnet.ibm.com

I'm in Rochester, Minnesota.  My copy arrived Friday 3/4.


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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Edwin Tisdale)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 94 20:17:52 GMT

In article <STEINBER.94Mar6125812@schoenfix.ert.rwth-aachen.de>
steinber@schoenfix.ert.rwth-aachen.de (Dirk Steinberg) writes:
>>>>>> "Edwin" == Edwin Tisdale <edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu> writes:
>In article <1994Mar04.203225.25070@cs.ucla.edu>
edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Edwin Tisdale) writes:
>
>    Edwin> I have been keeping a list of "Mail Order Linux Workstation
>    Edwin> Vendors" which I post from time to time in this and other
>    Edwin> newsgroups.
>
>    Edwin> A Linux workstation with a 60 MHz Pentium (P5 not P24) CPU
>    Edwin> is just a little faster than a Sun SuperSPARC Model 41.
>
>Certainly not for floating point!

Yes, for floating point.

>
>    Edwin> In order to get a feel for the prices these vendors were charging,
>    Edwin> I asked each vendor to give me a quote for the following
>    Edwin> configuration:
>
>    *  Intel 586DX-60 MHz Pentium CPU with heat sink and fan
>    *  30 MHz PCI-586 mother board with 256 kB cache
>    *  16 MB 70 ns system memory
>    *  540 MB 12 ms IDE hard disk drive
>                     ^^^
>    *  1.4 MB 3.5"  floppy disk drive
>    *  1.2 MB 5.25" floppy disk drive
>    *  PCI 1280 x 1024 1 MB Super VGA graphics card
>    *  15" 1024 x 768 0.28 mm dot pitch non-interlaced color monitor
>    *  Mid-size tower case and power supply
>    *  101 enhanced soft touch keyboard
>    *  3 button serial high resolution mouse
>    *  Linux operating system, X, C++, LaTeX, etc.
>    *  two year warranty
>
>This configuration is not well balanced. It's total nonsense to operate
>the lastest-and-greatest (and expensive) Pentium PCI workstation
>with a small IDE hard disk. Anyone buying such a configuration
>should be shot to death, even more so since most PCI mainboards
>already have an onboard SCSI controller. Drew Eckhard is working on
>a NCR 53c810 PCI driver for Linux, which I hope will be ready soon.
>A 1 GB SCSI-2 drive would fit the picture much better.
>I recently bought such a beast (3.5") for ~ $700.

IDE drives have always been faster and cheaper than SCSI-2 drives.
But I think you should get as much disk space as you can afford.

>Same for the graphics card, if you really want to run X. First of all,
>you cannot have 1280x1024 with 1 MB, at least not in 256 color, and
>that's all XFree supports. Second, it should *really* be some
>accelerated card, probably with the Mach 32 or S3 928 chipset. BTW:
>The 928 is currently *not* supported with video clocks above 80 MHz,
>wich you need for 1280x1024. The Mach 32 *is* in XFree 2.1. You should
>go for 2 MB.
>
>FYI: The ATI Ultra Pro PCI 2 MB VRAM (1280x1024 @ 74 Hz, 135 MHz), OEM
>     version is about $450 in Germany.

The 15 inch 0.28 mm dot pitch monitor will only resolve 1024x768 pixels.
I don't see any reason for the extra 1 MB of video memory unless you get
a much larger monitor.

>If this sounds too expensive, then drop the Pentium and rather go for
>a 486DX2/66 PCI, and keep the fast disk and graphics card. You *will*
>certainly get more out of your Linux X workstation this way. Believe me.
>
>If you really want the Pentium, then get a 66 MHz version with a 33
>MHz board. Otherwise the PCI bus will also only operate at 30 MHz.

Can you provide us with the name, address and telephone number of any
Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendor who can supply the configuration that
you have specified?  If so, please tell us what price you were quoted.
Thanks in advance, Bob Tisdale.

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From: tam-tcl@hrz-ws26.hrz.uni-kassel.de (Topic-Administrator for tcl (Bernd Kratz))
Subject: Re: [Q] Columbia Appletalk Protocol (CAP)?
Date: 8 Mar 1994 17:26:12 GMT

Steve Zellers (zellers@berksys.com) wrote:
: Howdy,

: Anyone gotten Columbia AppleTalk Protocol to run under Linux as yet?  My
: knowledge of the low level net drivers required is pretty skimpy, though
: this looks like a good way to learn it.  Anybody want to help ;-)

: Thanks,
: --smz
Hi, 
I 'd done a CAP-port for linux, a time ago. It is at 
nic.funet.fi linux/BETA/CAP.
This version is based on CAP 6.0pl154.
Yesterday, i finished a new 'port', based on CAP6.0pl192.
(not uploaded yet, but in the following days, i will upload it.)
The major problem, is the low-level driver. I mean UAB or UAR.
I got problems with the low-level ethernet-driver.
In  CAP, there are 3-4 samples for HP,SONY, SGI and SUN (old SunOS).
After a while, i thing the easierst way, is to get a driver,
is to use, emulate the NIT-Interface of sun ,or something like that.
Or to  use the Berkeley ENET-Filter Package (never heard before)
From the CAP-README, i read, there is support for NETBsd, using this package. 
We should try this package.
Got you any suggestion, where to get this package or if a port is already 
done ?

I can put the CAP-port for linux on our local ftp-server.
If you're interested, you get it. I mail you the dir. and the adress.

please mail back.

========================================================================
2 is smaller than 3. Even for large values of 2
email: tam-tcl@hrz-ws26.hrz.uni-kassel.de
========================================================================
 



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From: swhitlat@nmt.edu (Steven Whitlatch)
Subject: Re: Pascal compiler for linux
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 08:35:15 GMT

In article <2l431g$2kn@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> jhalar@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au (john halar) writes:
>Are there any pascal compilers running on a linux box out
>there?  I need a pascal compiler for a specific task and 
>was wondering if there was an ftp site that would have 
>the software?
>
>I will be running standard pascal programs with no reference 
>to any unix or xwindow libraries.
>
>Cheers
>John Halar
>E-mail:  j.halar@uow.edu.au


        There are two ways you can go with this:

        1)  Compile it yourself (I tried this)
                gpc-2.5.7-jan20.tar.gz from 
                kampi.hut.fi:/jvt/gnu-pascal.

        2)  Get the pre-compiled pascal compiler from the 
                debian distribution. (I did this and it worked.)

                Here's the note from the maintainer,
                gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU (Robert Sanders),
                that was posted a few days ago:



I have compiled gpc 2.5.7 for Linux.  It's available as a Debian-format
(gzip-cpio) package on sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/distributions/debian/
contrib.  To install it, cd to / and type this:

   gzip -d < gpc257.deb | cpio -dim

I haven't tested it thoroughly, so send me mail if it works for you (or 
doesn't).  It worked for the few simple things I needed it for.

--
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From: cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters)
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"
Reply-To: cflatter@nrao.edu
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 23:47:57 GMT

In article 94Mar4102640@lomvi.ii.uib.no, magnus@ii.uib.no () writes:
>>>>>> "John" == John F Haugh <jfh@rpp386> writes:
>John> The simple fact that the FSF has to rely so heavily on charity
>John> proves the point -- there is no profit to be made in "hand
>
>Proves what point? It proves that people are willing to pay for
>software without getting the exclusive rights to it.

If the point was to prove that GPLed software is unprofitable then
it falls by the example of Cygnus, who make a profit by offering
support for GNU software.

        Chris Flatters
        cflatter@nrao.edu

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From: mario@seas.smu.edu (Mario Nascimento)
Subject: Re: Panasonic 562-B drivers?
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 16:52:15 GMT

>: I am just about to install Linux and was wondering if there are any drivers
>: for the Panasonic 562-B CD-ROM drive.  Any info on file name and/or FTP
>: site would be appreciated.
>: ...
>: cs307319@mailbox.uq.oz.au << by preference
>...
>It takes a patched kernel. if you find one ftp'able, let me know! I can't 
>install from CD because of it.

Would it be too much to you to get pl15 and recompile the kernel ? There
built-in support (you select it to be used in "make config" of course) to
the 562B. In my case I used it controlled by a SB16. HTH.

Mario (mario@seas.smu.edu)


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From: ruhtra@turing.toronto.edu (Arthur Tateishi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX!
Date: 9 Mar 94 02:45:38 GMT

In article <GTAYLOR.94Mar8181237@god.ext.tufts.edu>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@cs.tufts.edu> wrote:
>I'll have you know I'm sitting right here in front of god, and god is
>running Linux.

As for that stuff about why people get ill and wars occur, God must be
reading too much usenet.

arthur
-- 
THEOREM: VI is perfect.    PROOF: VI in roman numerals is 6. The
natural numbers < 6 which divide 6 are 1, 2, and 3. 1+2+3 = 6. So 6 is
a perfect number. Therefore, VI is perfect. QED
Arthur Tateishi                           ruhtra@turing.utoronto.ca

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From: araw@iplab7.health.ufl.edu (Robert Moser)
Subject: Serial and ethercard docs
Date: 09 Mar 1994 17:55:58 GMT

I happened upon what appears to be an ethernet card and and 8 port serial
card.  I'm having trouble identifying these, and I also need documentation
if available.

The ethercard has the following markings: 

8390 chip, BD # 738-160-001 REV. C ASSY # 810-160-001 REV C
It also has MDL6 94VO written on it.
There is a tag "TESTED BY NOVELL, INC." on it.

The 8 port serial card is equally cryptic:

COPYRIGHT BY DECISION 88014
DUAL 8 PORT
there are eight 83450 chips on it.

BTW, both of these are 8 bit ISA cards.

Any help is appreciated.  Please reply by email.

Thanks,

araw

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From: kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors
Date: 8 Mar 1994 18:39:55 GMT

In article <STEINBER.94Mar6125812@schoenfix.ert.rwth-aachen.de>, steinber@schoenfix.ert.rwth-aachen.de (Dirk Steinberg) writes:
|> >>>>> "Edwin" == Edwin Tisdale <edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu> writes:
|> In article <1994Mar04.203225.25070@cs.ucla.edu> edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Edwin Tisdale) writes:
|> 
|>     Edwin> I have been keeping a list of "Mail Order Linux Workstation
|>     Edwin> Vendors" which I post from time to time in this and other
|>     Edwin> newsgroups.
|> [... configuration & complaint about it deleted, which I agree with BTW ...]
|> 
|> Same for the graphics card, if you really want to run X. First of all,
|> you cannot have 1280x1024 with 1 MB, at least not in 256 color, and
|> that's all XFree supports. Second, it should *really* be some
|> accelerated card, probably with the Mach 32 or S3 928 chipset. BTW:
|> The 928 is currently *not* supported with video clocks above 80 MHz,
|> wich you need for 1280x1024. The Mach 32 *is* in XFree 2.1. You should
|> go for 2 MB.

This is not entirely correct.  There are S3-928 boards which *are* supported with 
video clocks above 80 Mhz, in particular the Actix Ultra+ 2MB, which 
is supported at a 110Mhz clock with XFree2.0.

|> 
|> FYI: The ATI Ultra Pro PCI 2 MB VRAM (1280x1024 @ 74 Hz, 135 MHz), OEM
|>      version is about $450 in Germany.
|> 
|> If this sounds too expensive, then drop the Pentium and rather go for
|> a 486DX2/66 PCI, and keep the fast disk and graphics card. You *will*
|> certainly get more out of your Linux X workstation this way. Believe me.
|> 

I would also agree with this sentiment.  CPU speed/performance is highly overrated
as a factor in overall system performance.  

|> 
|> If you really want the Pentium, then get a 66 MHz version with a 33
|> MHz board. Otherwise the PCI bus will also only operate at 30 MHz.
|> 
|> Just my 0.02,
|> 
|> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Dirk W. Steinberg - RWTH Aachen - Internet email: steinber@ert.rwth-aachen.de
|> Aachen University of Technology / IS2-Integrated Systems in Signal Processing
|> Rhein.Westf.Tech.Hochsch. Aachen / Integrierte Systeme der Signalverarbeitung
|> Templergraben 55 / D-52056 Aachen / phone:+49 241 807879 / fax:+49 241 807631
|> Home address: Kleikstr. 63, D-52134 Heax:+49 241 807631
|> Home address: Kleikstr. 63, D-52134 Herzogenrath,Germany/phone: +49 2406 7225


-- 
- Kelly Murray  (kem@prl.ufl.edu) <a href="http://www.prl.ufl.edu">
University of Florida Parallel Research Lab </a> 96-node KSR1, 64-node nCUBE
See <a href="file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ncx/home.html"> NCX's home page</a>
or send mail to ncx@netcom.com for deals on Actix S3 Video cards:
GE32+ $115, GE32iVL/2mb $219, Ultra+2mbVram $299


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From: msingh@weber.mcc.com (Munindar Singh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: PCI motherboard and devices
Date: 9 Mar 94 01:13:02 GMT

Hi,

Has anyone successfully run Linux on a PCI bus system, i.e., with a
PCI motherboard?

The Linux_INFO-SHEET (last updated 21 Jan) says that "Some people have
started support for PCI, but it is currently not ready for the
standard distribution on Linux."  Since apparently releases are made
quite frequently, has there been any change in this status?  

Do people have a feel for how long it might take before Linux becomes
usable on PCI bus systems (not fully debugged, just usable)?  Is
special complexity to be expected if, say, IDE devices are used on a
PCI bus?

I hope this will be of interest to many.  Apparently, PCI bus systems
are being sold cheaper than equivalent VESA bus systems (at least by
Gateway).

I welcome comments, even if they are speculative in nature.

Thanks a lot,
Munindar Singh (new to Linux)
msingh@mcc.com      

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
From: gtaylor@god.ext.tufts.edu (Grant Taylor)
Subject: Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX!
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 23:12:37 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@cs.tufts.edu

I'll have you know I'm sitting right here in front of god, and god is
running Linux.

-grant

-- 
Grant Taylor                                    gtaylor@cs.tufts.edu
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