Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #796
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Linux-Misc Digest #796, Volume #1                Fri, 11 Mar 94 08:13:07 EST

Contents:
  Re: linux on cdrom (Mark Lord)
  Re: how do I uncompress .z files (David Fox)
  Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program (Pierre Uszynski)
  Re: DOOM for X (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  tin-crashs in linux groups (Hendrik G. Seliger)
  Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering") (Joe Portman)
  Help in 'TALK' ! (Barrow Hon-kai Kwan)
  Sparc vs. 486/Pentium [WAS:Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors] (JOHN FARMER)
  Re: Linux Journal (Ken Firestone)
  Multiple screen feature in Linux? (Paul)
  Re: Help in 'TALK' ! (Prasad J.V.G)
  Re: Notebook (Re: BSD vs. Linux) ("David Herron")
  Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering") (Ron Smits)
  Re: DOOM for X (Sakari Jalovaara)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: linux on cdrom
Date: 10 Mar 1994 15:58:54 GMT

In article <CMFAAr.n1s@sbu.edu> cmckay@sbu.edu writes:
>I would like to know what is a good company that has
>the latest version of linux and a reasonable price on
>cdrom.

Walnut Creek CD-ROMs (California) are by far the "best" CD suppliers
in North America.  For Linux, they have just (today) started shipping
the brand-new winter-94 release of the LGX CD (from Yggdrasil Computing).

At US$49 this is an excellent package.  It includes two pre-made bootable
floppies for installation, and a complete unpacked Linux filesystem on the CD.

You can install as little as 2MB on your HD, and run the rest directly from CD.
A good package.  Well organized and reasonably up to date.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: Re: how do I uncompress .z files
Date: 10 Mar 1994 16:49:23 GMT

In article <1994Mar9.163205.5152@mserve.kiwi.gen.nz> phillip@mserve.kiwi.gen.nz (Phillip Hardy) writes:
] 
] Kevin Lentin (kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au) wrote:
] : On Thu, 3 Mar 1994 10:45:22 GMT, Jesper Honig Spring wrote:
] : > Hello
] 
] : > Can anyone tell me how to uncompress files named .z
] 
] : gunzip.
] 
] i have been playing with my system and i realy like compressed
] Faq files now to read them all i have to do is.
] zcat LINUX-FAQ.gz | more
] and Vola i can read/search the faqs without takeing 
] up late-amounts of hdd space :)

How about getting crypt++.el, then emacs will automatically
gunip files when you retrieve them, and re-gzip them
when you save them.

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: pierre@shell.portal.com (Pierre Uszynski)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 08:52:58 GMT

In <1994Mar10.164407.1702@timesink.spk.wa.us> kew@timesink.spk.wa.us (Keith Walker) writes:

>[yak...yak...yak] censor [...]
>their questions will then fall upon the deaf ears of Ian's censor program
>[...]
>have the censor program notice that they've never posted to c.o.l.h before,
>and get back a blurb telling them that they need to read the fine manuals.

Sometimes, I wonder how many sites receive only partial feeds, or expire
their feed in less than 24  hours... in fact my feed seems incomplete to
me too now and then...

But when it gets at that stage, a much more likely explanation is that
this is just one of these people who post from the hip...

Hey You! Yes, you! there has been over 100 posts in this discussion
by now... (my number of 40 in a previous post was a bit short actually ;-)
The original RFD idea has been fixed a long time ago. A STRAW POLL call
for votes has even been issued for a new version of the idea, that
solves all these concerns. There are other details that are worth
discussing now. Like which groups should be touched, or where the keywords
should be placed, or which keywords should be included....

But quit discussing the censor program, that's long gone... (or do I see
messages that nobody else sees ;-)

Pierre Uszynski.
pierre@shell.portal.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 19:15:07 GMT

In article <2lkpg5$8hn@Tut.MsState.Edu> simmons@EE.MsState.Edu writes:
>In article <CM44Lq.78x@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
>Pat Breen <c9220321@sage.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>>: I mailed him, and he said that although he's working under Linux, he wants the
>>: port to be a generic X11 port, rather than a Linux specific port.  Hence not
>>: using svgalib.
>>
>>Hmmm... I spose for the average Linux user, that aint so good...
>>Anyone interested in possibly getting an svgalib version going - would
>>anyone consider it for speed's sake??
>
>The X version should be just as fast as an svgalib version, because
>David Taylor is using the shared memory extentions of X.  Hence,
>no real need for an svga version.
>

I really doubt that a direct access to a fast svga card on a local bus would
compare in performance to the client-server model of X.

If you ask me X is very, very broken in this respect. 

Amancio

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From: hank@Blimp.automat.uni-essen.de (Hendrik G. Seliger)
Subject: tin-crashs in linux groups
Date: 11 Mar 1994 08:26:20 GMT
Reply-To: hank@automat.uni-essen.de

Hi!

I'm having some problems with tin crashing from time to time while
indexing new articles. As this only happens in the linux groups, this
might be a problem caused by specific articles mailed on linux machines.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to identify what causes this. From
time to time there seems to be an article in a group which makes tin
violate some segment. It's a long and weary procedure to remove every
single new article, restart tin, crash again, etc. until you find the
bugger, I usually move ten at the same time (tin doesn't tell which one
caused the problem).

This never occured in any other groups. I use tin-1.19 via NNTP from
inn-1.4, also on a linux box.


If anyone has any ideas what might be the cause of this problem, I'd
love to hear it. This is really starting to annoy me!

Thanks,

   Hank


--
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         Hendrik G. Seliger                  Universitaet Essen
     hank@automat.uni-essen.de                Schuetzenbahn 70
      Tel.: +49-201-183-2898                45117 Essen, Germany
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             "Handling interrupts is simple." (G. Pajari)
             "Interrupts are an unpleasant fact of life." (A. Tanenbaum)

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From: baron@hebron.connected.com (Joe Portman)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering")
Date: 11 Mar 1994 00:11:47 -0800

In article <1994Mar11.015113.20792@rpp386|,
John F. Haugh II <jfh@rpp386.cactus.org| wrote:
|In article <SBO.94Mar10094554@bcars656.bnr.ca> sbo@bcars656.bnr.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes:
|>>>>>> "John" == John F Haugh <jfh@rpp386> writes:
|>John> I don't know which companies you've been dealing with, but if you
|>John> call IBM and the bug is known, you can get a set of update
|>John> floppies in your hand in under 24 hours.

|>What if the bug is not known ?

|Then you get the fix 24 hours after it's made.

Yeah, maybe. The world is not IBM, and a damn good thing too.

|>No. You won't get a number in the phone book for GCC support :-) But
|>with little effort you should be able to get one. One question you could
|>ask to the net is: "Where can I get commercial support for GCC?". Try it
|>and see what answers you'll get.

|And if I'm a grocery store with no access to "the net", how do I get
|support?

That's rich. A grocery store. I'm a grocery store. Look at me, I'm not a human,
I'm a grocery store. :-)
Get REAL jfh. ANYBODY can get net access, ANYWHERE. Somehow, someway, they can.
If they can't, then they probably don't have a phone, much less a computer.
Read the paper, look at what Delphi is offering (week of free internet access).
-- 
=============================
Joe Portman (Westin Hotels & Resorts)
NOTE: These opinions are my own and not those of my employer

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From: barrow@futon.SFSU.EDU (Barrow Hon-kai Kwan)
Subject: Help in 'TALK' !
Date: 11 Mar 1994 08:36:32 GMT

Hi,
   I have problem in using 'talk'.  When I type "talk username", the following message coming out:

Couldn't bind to control socket : Cannot assign requested address (99)

Can anyone help me to solve this problem?

Thanks in advance!


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From: jfarmer@cs.utk.edu (JOHN FARMER)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Sparc vs. 486/Pentium [WAS:Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors]
Date: 10 Mar 1994 23:33:23 -0500

In article <2ligpr$fed@snoopy.cis.ufl.edu> kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray) writes:
>In article <STEINBER.94Mar6125812@schoenfix.ert.rwth-aachen.de>, steinber@schoenfix.ert.rwth-aachen.de (Dirk Steinberg) writes:

        [ stuff mostly about graphics performance deleted...]

>|> If this sounds too expensive, then drop the Pentium and rather go for
>|> a 486DX2/66 PCI, and keep the fast disk and graphics card. You *will*
>|> certainly get more out of your Linux X workstation this way. Believe me.
>|> 
>I would also agree with this sentiment.  CPU speed/performance is highly overrated
>as a factor in overall system performance.  
>|> If you really want the Pentium, then get a 66 MHz version with a 33
>|> MHz board. Otherwise the PCI bus will also only operate at 30 MHz.
>|> 
>|> Just my 0.02,
>|> 

Ok, now what about us that are looking at machines for other than X workstation
usage?  I'm setting up an Internet node where the load is mainly I/O bound
and is of more "classic" characteristics.  That is, I'm not really interested
in tweaking the fastest screen work out the box, I'm interested in responding
to serial and net I/O.  I mean I've got people that are going, "I wnat ISDN
to your system, now!"  They will be running the X apps (and Windoze apps, 
and Macdonald apps....) and they can worry about tweaking the graphic
performance!

So tell me, it appears that a 486DX2/66 _in numbers_ will outgun a Sparc 1+
or 2.  The Pentium will keep up with the Supersparcs (at least the mid range
ones).  Again, according to the _numbers_ (Specmarks, etc).

Now, I know that alot of the type of performance I'm interested in is related
to the I/O & memory bus's.  Ok, that means EISA/VESA/PCI.  Any performance
differences?  There certainly is pricewise!  But the CPU has an impact in the
total system performance (I knew that class in computer architecture would 
come in handy!).  What will the system _feel_like_ compared to the
classic sparcs?

E-mail or post.  I've try to keep up!

John T. Farmer


-- 
John T. Farmer, Jr.                                     jfarmer@cs.utk.edu
Full-time Daddy, Some-time Grad Student,                Ask me about Internet
Full-time wage slave, Wood butcher when I can.          Access in East Tenn.
My son's hero's are Capt. Jean Luc Picard, Norm Abrams, and Mr. Rogers!

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From: kenf@clark.net (Ken Firestone)
Subject: Re: Linux Journal
Date: 11 Mar 1994 01:08:05 GMT

I got two copies, one today (3/10) and one last Friday, a few hours after 
I phoned in my sub.  

Great Magazine!!!

--

============================================================================
Ken Firestone, N3JBU     | If you look at things right, its best not to know 
kenf@clark.net           | who you really are. Because anything that happens 
                         | to anybody who doesn't know who he really is 
                         | actually happens to somebody else. So it makes no 
                         | difference at all. -- Nelson Algren.  
============================================================================

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From: e01jjymo@tuzo.erin (Paul)
Subject: Multiple screen feature in Linux?
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 17:14:44 GMT


Hi,

In SCO Xenix, Alt-Function key allows to change to different
screens.  I am just wondering if there is multiple screen 
features in Linux?
Thanks

Paul

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From: jvg@jvg.scs.co.in (Prasad J.V.G)
Subject: Re: Help in 'TALK' !
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 20:47:20 GMT

In article <2lpaig$he0@nic-nac.CSU.net> barrow@futon.SFSU.EDU (Barrow Hon-kai Kwan) writes:
>From: barrow@futon.SFSU.EDU (Barrow Hon-kai Kwan)
>Subject: Help in 'TALK' !
>Date: 11 Mar 1994 08:36:32 GMT

>Hi,
>   I have problem in using 'talk'.  When I type "talk username", the following message coming out:

>Couldn't bind to control socket : Cannot assign requested address (99)

>Can anyone help me to solve this problem?

Hi,

Even I had exactly the same problem once.  Eventually I got rid of it by 
editing /etc/hosts file.  See if there are multiple 'IP hostname' entries or 
entries of 'IP IP' kind or entries of 'hostname hostname' kind in /etc/hosts 
file, for your host.  Just try it out.  An acknowledgement after you've tried 
doing that would be much appreciated.

All the best.

Prasad J.V.G,
Sriven Computer Solutions Pvt., Ltd.,
HYDERABAD,
I N D I A.                                   e-mail : jvg@sriven.scs.co.in

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
From: "David Herron" <david@twg.com>
Subject: Re: Notebook (Re: BSD vs. Linux)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 21:20:20 GMT

>Arne H. Juul (arnej@pvv.unit.no) wrote:
>
>: Running Linux for its networking code seems somewhat odd to me.
>
>Have you tried to put your notebook on a network with a PCMCIA ethernet
>card?
>
>H.J.

Actually, yes I have.  It was trivial.

Kinda ...

The big hurdle is the PCMCIA interface to begin with.  Fortunately some
people have written the beginnings of support for PCMCIA interfaces (for at
least the Intel chip which is used in mine and many other notebooks) and
this is available as a driver.

The next hurdle is the driver to interface with that particular card.  Again
the particular card I have has a driver written for it by someone.  (The
DL650 which I found at Fry's in a box saying Linksys on the outside).

Yes, without the kindness of others I'd've been stuck.  THANK YOU!!

Once I had the software in hand it was a (fairly) simple matter of plopping
it into the kernel.  This was the hardest step and if you haven't done
kernel level work before you might find it difficult.  I found that my past
experience with BSD kernels prepared me for groping about the /usr/src/linux
directory tree to find the right place to install the files when the place
the directions told me to go turned out to not exist!

So now I have Linux pl14 running on a Sager 800 (monochrome) and the DL650
ethernet controller.  Works like a champ!

Unfortunately I don't remember exactly where the files are.  They're on one
of the standard sites, perhaps sunsite?

        David

<- David Herron <david@twg.com> (work) <david@davids.mmdf.com> (home)
<-
<- Real life involves many economies where the choices and gains
<- are more than some visible exchange involving money.

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering")
Date: 11 Mar 1994 09:09:59 GMT

John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386) wrote:

[ a lot of not so nice stuff deleted ]

: John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
: Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
:  There are three documents that run my life: The King James Bible, the United
:  States Constitution, and the UNIX System V Release 4 Programmer's Reference.

--

I sometimes wonder what Mister Haugh II is doing reading these groups. Over
the last few months there hasn't been a single reply by him that didn't make
my hair stand up (and that's quit an accomplishment, I don't have much).

Mr. Haugh II, what kind of pleasure do you find in reading these groups?



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                         -*/


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From: sja@snakemail.hut.fi (Sakari Jalovaara)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: 11 Mar 94 11:11:11 GMT

>>>If you ask me X is very, very broken in this respect. 
>>Apparently not.
>>
> Apparently yes, any client-server model which forces you to always have
> two processes to communicate with each other is a broken architecture.

What amazing luck that X _doesn't_ force you to have two processes!

(Though all Xlib's I have seen have been implemented that way.  So far.)
                                                                        ++sja

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 11:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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