Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #799
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Linux-Misc Digest #799, Volume #1                Sat, 12 Mar 94 03:13:44 EST

Contents:
  Re: motif (Ken Maier)
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (Michael Winters)
  Re: DOOM for X (Richard Tobin)
  xdm wouldn't let anyone in (Sergey I Panov)
  Re: Multiple screen feature in Linux? (Ron Smits)
  Re: Q: (1) PCI motherboard OK? (2) NCR53C810 SCSI supported? (Earl Gooch)
  incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4' (Enrico Scotoni)
  Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: ex2fs / xiafs: File System Stability (Theodore Ts'o)
  Re: how do I uncompress .z files (Phillip Hardy)
  Hardware recommandations! (Jesper Honig Spring)
  Re: Serial Driver broke in pl15? (Rene COUGNENC)

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From: ken@inca.gate.net (Ken Maier)
Subject: Re: motif
Date: 11 Mar 1994 12:24:59 -0500

In article <bird.24.2D8084A5@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov> bird@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Joe Bird) writes:
>I have finally got my pc running with linux and my developers are
>interested in it but they need motif. I know that someone was selling
>motif for linux earlier but I have lost the name. Could someone pass
>along any info they have on getting motif for the linux os.
>

Joe --

Sequoia International has a runtime/development for $149.95.

(305) 480-6118 or info@seq.com


Sincerely,

-ken
Ken Maier
Sequoia International, Inc.

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From: winters@access3.digex.net (Michael Winters)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"
Date: 11 Mar 1994 22:49:35 -0500

This was quite an interesting discussion! :-))   Except for a couple of
people I know, I haven't ran into too many programmers who believe in
GNU's Buckminister Fuller philosophy of synergy.  Isn't this what we
are really talking about?  I work as a programmer and in my opinion, most
programmers have way too much work to accomplish - customers always want
their programs to do one more thing than it does now.  It would be great
to have more "Free" software around, so everytime I go to a new job site,
I don't have to learn all the quirks of a particular vendor's software
package, when it does the same thing as 20 other software packages.  
I could actually spend more time solving problem.  Not that I believe
in Communism, but let's face it - a lot of programming jobs consist of
people doing useless database tasks that could be accomplished far 
easier, if organizations and companies had more sense.  Example - this
4GL craze has produced many packages that don't allow you to extend the
language at all, to suit your need.  I wasted a lot of time, a while back,
testing and attempting to configure a $50,000 text management system from
a vendor who I won't mention.  This system probably wasted $100,000 in 
salaries of various system programmers, myself etc... in trying to get
this package working.  From a lot of detective work, it became apparent 
that this nationally sold mainframe text search package was fairly bug
free on frequently used hardware, but our computer was not their most
important port, though they were trying to squeeze every cent out of this
package that they could.  What I am getting at is the typical secrecy and
hiding of source code and implementation details for a software package
prevents an organization from evaluating whether they should purchase
the software package or not.  GNU software is open for inspection and
evaluation.   

Or, is this redundancy is having numerous inferior software packages around
necessary to keep people artificially employed?  Would programmers
have trouble finding jobs, noting that thousands of software developers 
have been suffering due to company layoffs?  Would forming many companies
that support GNU and similar "Free" software be a better thing for society
and provide enough work for millions of programmers?   I am interested in
what people think about this stuff.

---- Mike Winters  

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 17:36:04 GMT

In article <glen.763349922@paladine> glen@paladine.ece.jcu.edu.au (Glen Harris) writes:
>>Amancio, what effect, if any, do you think the shared memory extentions of X
>>have on graphics performance?
>
>  What it means is that a bitmap in memory is mapped directly over the
>screen, so an access to the array is an access to the screen.

No, this isn't what it means.  At least, not in any extension to X
that I've used.  It means that a bitmap in the client's address space
is mapped into the server's space.  So displaying it on the screen
simply involves telling the server to copy it from main memory to
display memory (doing whatever horrible contortions are required by
the revolting design of the PC), rather than transmitting it through a
socket to the server, followed by copying it to display memory.

>  After the mapping is set up, there's no calls to X for the graphics.

No, there's still a call for each graphical operation.

-- Richard
-- 
Richard Tobin, HCRC, Edinburgh University                 R.Tobin@ed.ac.uk

"Your monkey has got it right, sir."  - HHGTTG

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From: sipan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sergey I Panov)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: xdm wouldn't let anyone in
Date: 12 Mar 1994 00:30:27 GMT


I tryed to put xdm at the end of my rc.local . I did get filling that it 
is convinient, but it telling me that my login is incorrect. 
I definitelly did something wrong, but can not find out what. I checked
files in the /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm directory - they all look fine.
It is looks like I should switch off [or stop from interfer..ing]
something but I can not figure out what.

Can any one help me?
Thank you in advance
Sergey


PS. It can be relivant:

My Xsetup_0 file is:
====================
#!/bin/sh
xconsole -geometry 480x130-0-0 -daemon -notify -verbose -fn fixed -exitOnFail

Xresources file:
================
xlogin*login.translations: #override\
        Ctrl<Key>R: abort-display()\n\
        <Key>F1: set-session-argument(failsafe) finish-field()\n\
        Ctrl<Key>Return: set-session-argument(failsafe) finish-field()\n\
        <Key>Return: set-session-argument() finish-field()
xlogin*borderWidth: 3
xlogin*greeting: CLIENTHOST 
xlogin*fail: Login incorrect
#ifdef COLOR
xlogin*greetColor: CadetBlue
xlogin*failColor: red
*Foreground: black
*Background: #fffff0
#else
xlogin*Foreground: black
xlogin*Background: white
#endif

XConsole.text.geometry: 480x130
XConsole.verbose:       true
XConsole*iconic:        true
XConsole*font:          fixed

Chooser*geometry:               700x500+300+200
Chooser*allowShellResize:       false
Chooser*viewport.forceBars:     true
Chooser*label.font:             *-new century schoolbook-bold-i-normal-*-240-*
Chooser*label.label:            XDMCP Host Menu  from CLIENTHOST
Chooser*list.font:              -*-*-medium-r-normal-*-*-230-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1
Chooser*Command.font:           *-new century schoolbook-bold-r-normal-*-180-*

xdm-config file:
===============
DisplayManager.errorLogFile:    /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-errors
DisplayManager.pidFile:         /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-pid
DisplayManager.keyFile:         /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-keys
DisplayManager.servers:         /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers
DisplayManager.accessFile:      /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/Xaccess
DisplayManager._0.authorize:    true
DisplayManager._0.setup:        /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0
DisplayManager._0.startup:      /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/GiveConsole
DisplayManager._0.reset:        /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/TakeConsole
DisplayManager*resources:       /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/Xresources
DisplayManager*session:         /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession
DisplayManager*authComplain:    false

Sorry for overloading the bandwidth.
Really desperate




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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: Multiple screen feature in Linux?
Date: 11 Mar 1994 13:01:35 GMT

Paul (e01jjymo@tuzo.erin) wrote:

: Hi,

: In SCO Xenix, Alt-Function key allows to change to different
: screens.  I am just wondering if there is multiple screen 
: features in Linux?
: Thanks

: Paul

--

It is exactly the same in Linux, You must start up gettys on the different
virtual consoles who are named tty[1-8]. You can then switch between
them with ALT-F[1-8].

Note of warning, If you run X you must leave one virtual console free for
X. So you could have seven VC's with a getty and keep the 8th for X.

The kernel has default 8 VC's.

Hope this helps

                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                         -*/


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From: egooch@golf.mc.com (Earl Gooch)
Subject: Re: Q: (1) PCI motherboard OK? (2) NCR53C810 SCSI supported?
Date: 10 Mar 1994 21:11:41 GMT

In article <2ljhjp$jth@groovy.neu.sgi.com>, ove@groovy.neu.sgi.com (Ove Hansen) writes:
|> Is it OK to run Linux on a PCI motherboard (I have the impression that
|> the support for PCI *devices* is rather thin still) when all the cards
|> connected are ISA? I'm wondering whether to get a 486 APOCOM motherboard 
|> with Phoenix BIOS and Intel Saturn PCI chipset - and all the cards 
|> going onto it to start off with would be ISA. Any danger that this might
|> not work with Linux...?

I am running Linux on an ASUS PCI/I-486 SP3 motherboard (ISA/PCI) with no
problems. However, I have nothing plugged into the PCI slots yet, but hope to be
using a PCI graphics card soon. I am currently using a WD7000 SCSI controller
with two SCSI hard drives, SCSI NEC CDROM drive, and SCSI QIC tape drive
attached.

|> The motherboard has an on-board SCSI - NCR 53C810. Is this supported?
|> The SCSI Howto mentions that "generic NCR5380" is supported - if I 
|> assume that the onboard SCSI is "generic NCR5380" will I get any nasty
|> surprises when trying to install Linux...?
|> -- 
|> Ove Hansen - e-mail: ove@groovy.neu.sgi.com

The ASUS board also has the on-board NCR 53C810. Drew Echkardt tells me that the
Linux driver for the 810 will hopefully be ready within another week or two. Once
this becomes available, I plan on using the NCR controller.

========
-Earl (e-mail egooch@mc.com)

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Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 06:38:00 MET
From: scoti@p46.keru.chg.imp.com (Enrico Scotoni)
Subject: incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4'

 > From: dj@lems25 (Dongjin Han)



 > Hi
 > I always get this message like
 > make: using incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4'
 >         Desire minor version >= 510 and found 402
 > And finally compilation fails.
 > Can anybody help me?
 > Thanks

Well you seem to have a modern (in fact really recent) `make' and probably
other utilities as well (e.g. as, ld, etc) but you still use very old
libraries. Do a `ls /lib' you will probably find files there like
lib[cm].so.4.0.2. You should consider upgrading your libraries (your's are
REALLY out of date [a year old or so]). The current version is lib[cm].4.5.21

Enrico

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 05:29:59 GMT

In article <CMIpKM.AJ6@boulder.parcplace.com>,
Warner Losh <imp@boulder.parcplace.com> wrote:
>In article <1994Mar10.164407.1702@timesink.spk.wa.us>
>kew@timesink.spk.wa.us (Keith Walker) writes: 
>>Stuart 'TheCube' Herbert (ac3slh@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk) wrote: 
>>> This really is a stupid idea.
>>I couldn't agree more.
>
>In all my years on the net, I have yet to see anything stupider or
>more inane prposed w/o a good explaination offered.
>
>To me the vote is insulting, stupid, inane and completely out of place
>on Usenet.  The problem that they are trying to solve has such a
>doubious gain that it isn't worth the effort at this time to try to
>enforce something that the RFCs state are optional headers.  True, it
>suggests that you fill them in, but they aren't required.

It won't work anyway. Most folks won't bother to take the time to
format their posts correctly anyway when the only recourse is a email
back saying you're a bad person and should format the post properly
the next time.

>
>Sigh.  I've never gotten attitude like this back from the BSD folks.
>Petty infighting, yes, but never this level of arrogance and insanity.
>
>What is Linux turning into?

A popular OS on the net, Warner. All this is just growing pangs.
Someone is finally trying to manage something that become unmanageable.
However I don't think a straw poll or a vote of 100 people will constitute
a mandate.

I've decided that the way to manage the infoglut is to create an new
channel that is managed from the start. By adding a new channel (in the
form of a moderated newsgroup) and not touching the existing structure
you can create a choice and relieve some of the pressure.

Most people chafe under restrictions until it is demonstrated that
they are helpful. Instituting them retroactively always causes an uproar
because of the belief that "something" is being taken away.

So add. The need for a new newsgroup (or two) has been clearly demonstrated.

And while I'm spouting off at the mouth (am I not arrgant Warner? ;-) I
believe that the admin and development groups have failed their mission.
All types of questions and discussions take place in them that have nothing
to do with administration and development of any kind. Sometimes I think
folks see the keyword linux in the newsgroup name and just post without
thinking about what it means.

So an idea is forming: let reorganize!

- announce - leave alone
- admin -       Make into a moderated/unmoderated pair with development
- development - Make into a moderated/unmoderated pair with admin
- help - leave alone and add a moderated help group
- misc - fine the way it is.
- advocacy - for the DOS/WINDOWS/SCO/UNIVEL/NETBSD and Linux junkies 
             to spew forth all that inane drivel.


Incidentally all the moderated newsgroups should have an automated post checker
that examines for content, tags in subject lines, and keywords. Keywords
should be implemented in the documentation so that a (document name, section,
keyword) tuple must be at the top of your post to past muster. The moderated
groups should be brutally restrictive to keep as much noise as possible out.
The benefit of having your serious, urgent, well researched question is
worth the effort if you really don't have the answer. If the answer is in
the FAQs or HOWTO's then the keyword search will assist you in finding
the correct answer. And if finally you're lazy or just want to post then
there is an unmoderated group for you to post in.

Just look at the positive side, there are enough folks posting about Linux
that we have these problems. This is a good thing.

We grow, we change.

BAJ
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: ex2fs / xiafs: File System Stability
Date: 12 Mar 1994 02:24:46 -0500
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)

   From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams)
   Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 12:16:04 GMT

   Most the time nothing too serious with either file system. But
   there seems to be a problem with the ext2fs recovery tools.
   Hardly a fortnight passes without some ext2fs tale of woe where
   the recovery tools only have made matters worse. However, I
   suspect that many times the ext2fs problems are due to operator
   error or hardware problems and are not a direct reflection on
   the safety of the ext2fs. 

Most of them are due to people using old version of e2fsck, that don't
deal well with the lost+found directory terribly well.  

If have yet to see any such complains with people using my rewritten
e2fssck, which is being merged into the main-line e2fsprogs for the next
release.

                                                - Ted

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From: phillip@mserve.kiwi.gen.nz (Phillip Hardy)
Subject: Re: how do I uncompress .z files
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 16:32:05 GMT

Kevin Lentin (kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: On Thu, 3 Mar 1994 10:45:22 GMT, Jesper Honig Spring wrote:
: > Hello

: > Can anyone tell me how to uncompress files named .z

: gunzip.

i have been playing with my system and i realy like compressed
Faq files now to read them all i have to do is.
zcat LINUX-FAQ.gz | more
and Vola i can read/search the faqs without takeing 
up late-amounts of hdd space :)

also try this.
with a ziped sunsound file just type
zcat blaa.zip >/dev/audio
 
 what fun... well we think it is hehehe...

---
 someone took my Sig file :()

-- 
phillip@mserve.kiwi.gen.nz  (Phillip W. Hardy)
phillip@iconz.co.nz / phillip@kiwi.gen.nz
We use Linux cos a 486 is a horible thing to waste. 
Linux 0.99pl14a - LGX Fall '93 Base 

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From: spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring)
Subject: Hardware recommandations!
Date: 7 Mar 94 14:39:30 GMT

Hello,

Can you give me some advise on which of the following to choose. Also
please give me some responses on your own experiences and/or advantages
and/or disadvantages:

SCSI-controller:
        Ultrastor 14 or Adaptec 1542

Graphics Card:
        S3 VLB or ATI Mach 32

Please email me

Thanks in advance


-- 
  Jesper Honig Spring
  spring@diku.dk
  University of Copenhagen, DK
  Dep. of computer science  

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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Serial Driver broke in pl15?
Date: 10 Mar 1994 15:22:05 GMT
Reply-To: cougnenc@itesec.ensta.fr (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Jongyoon Lee ecrit:


> Hi Linuxers.  Well, ever since I upgraded to pl15, I'm getting a serious
> data overrun problem.  Okay, here's what I did.  I first had pl14 and
> 16450 for COM1 and 16550 for COM2.  I had no problem doing download,

Two problems here:

 - The overrun error was not tested in previous versions of the kernel,
   but there was overrun errors.

 - The plain pl15 kernel  has a bug which makes it sometimes use swapping
   a lot, and heavy disk access (particularly IDE drives) causes many
   of these 'tty overruns' messages even whith a 16550AFN whith this kernel.

Upgrade to pl15a or higher.

I have been using the pre-1.0 kernel for hem...:

renux:/home/rene $ uptime
  4:15pm  up 3 days, 12:35,  4 users,  load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.01

Doing a lot of serial upload/downloads/PPP/SLIP/Zmodem/uucp/etc.., 
either whith 16550 or 16450 circuits, whith a v32bis modem, whithout
any overrun problems. (except on the port using a 16450 of course).

(The serial ports are locked a 38400)

> I get CRC error at almost every block!  That's when I locked my port

And don't forget to validate CRTSCTS flow-control...

--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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