Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #800
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 12 Mar 94 08:13:07 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #800, Volume #1                Sat, 12 Mar 94 08:13:07 EST

Contents:
  Notebook (Re: BSD vs. Linux) (H.J. Lu)
  Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program (Pierre Uszynski)
  Serial Driver broke in pl15? (Jongyoon Lee)
  Re: PCI motherboard and devices (James D. Levine)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: X file managers for Linux, X programs in general (Henrik Lund)
  pcnfsd for Linux ? (Branko Turk)
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (Thomas G. McWilliams)
  Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX! (Lewis)
  Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program (Keith Walker)
  Re: linux on cdrom (Joel Goldberger)
  Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX! (Chris Pirih)
  Minicom Problem (Petert@mouse.com)
  Re: 486SX vs 486DX - difference in performance using Linux (Larry Doolittle)
  Newbie: Setting up Man Pages (William Bushing)
  XV for Linux??? (William Bushing)
  Mounting a DOS partition (William Bushing)
  Re: DOOM for X (Tod McQuillin)
  Linux Mailing Lists (James D. Levine)
  Now *that's* interesting... (in.ntalkd's from hell) (Paul Tomblin)
  Any support for Adaptec 6260 in the works? (Clint Olsen)

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From: hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Notebook (Re: BSD vs. Linux)
Date: 10 Mar 94 04:47:16 GMT

Arne H. Juul (arnej@pvv.unit.no) wrote:

: Running Linux for its networking code seems somewhat odd to me.

Have you tried to put your notebook on a network with a PCMCIA ethernet
card?

H.J.

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: pierre@shell.portal.com (Pierre Uszynski)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 09:14:36 GMT

In <CMIpKM.AJ6@boulder.parcplace.com> imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) writes:

>In all my years on the net, I have yet to see anything stupider or
>more inane prposed w/o a good explaination offered.
>[...]
>optional headers.  True, it
>suggests that you fill them in, but they aren't required.

So, they are optional. So, does it mean you can't use them?, or
suggest that they be used for a specific group?  You also say
no good explanation was offered. What is it you don't understand or don't
like about the explanations that were offered?

Pierre Uszynski.
pierre@shell.portal.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: mr2@netcom.com (Jongyoon Lee)
Subject: Serial Driver broke in pl15?
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 02:35:39 GMT


Hi Linuxers.  Well, ever since I upgraded to pl15, I'm getting a serious
data overrun problem.  Okay, here's what I did.  I first had pl14 and
16450 for COM1 and 16550 for COM2.  I had no problem doing download,
tupload, etc.  Then I got a new serial board with two 16550 UART for
COM1 and COM2.  The serial driver for pl14 was old, and didn't turn off
buffer at low speed.  Result: my mouse was buffered, and felt weird.
So I went out and grabbed a serial driver patch from tsx-11 that was
intelligent enough to turn off buffer at speed below 2400.  The mouse
turned okay, but I started to experience overrun from COM2.  I get
a lot of "timed out ..." error from term even without doing tupload.
Tupload became almost unusable.  I thought something was wrong with
the patch, so I grabbed pl15 from sunsite, and installed it on my system.
But I still get the same result.  Even without using term, I can't
reliably lock the serial port over 14400bps.  For comparison,
in DOS, I get ~3000cps at text file download with serial port locked
at 57600.  But if I try to download the same file under Linux,
I get CRC error at almost every block!  That's when I locked my port
at 19200.  Compressed file transfer seems to be less error-prone,
but I still get occasional error.  I first thought it was a defective
16550 at COM2, but then I tried downloading under OS/2 while formatting
a diskette and playing XWing at the same time.  Well, it was fine!
It seems to me that it is obvious that there is something wrong with
serial driver.  Does anybody else experienced a similar problem?


Jongyoon

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|    jong@seas.ucla.edu     |   _/       _/   _/    _/  _/_/    _/     _/   |
|      mr2@netcom.com       |  _/      _/_/  _/         _/     _/     _/    |
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+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+

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From: jdl@netcom.com (James D. Levine)
Subject: Re: PCI motherboard and devices
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 02:44:07 GMT

: Has anyone successfully run Linux on a PCI bus system, i.e., with a
: PCI motherboard?

I have been running TAMU Linux pl12+ & pl14 for 3.5 months on a PCI 
system without any problems whatsoever.

Specifically, it's the Gateway 2000 P5-60, with an Intel PCI motherboard 
which has an integrated IDE controller and "fast" serial ports.  The 
display adapter is a Gateway OEM ATI PCI Mach32 Ultra, which works great with
the XFree 2.0 Mach32 server.

The disk drive is zippy, although probably not as fast as some of the 
5400+ RPM SCSI drives available.  I'm waiting to see about upgrading to 
SCSI - *that* may not go as smoothly as the rest.

James


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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 11:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: lund@diku.dk (Henrik Lund)
Subject: Re: X file managers for Linux, X programs in general
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:08:48 GMT

maxims@uclink.berkeley.edu (Maxim Spivak) writes:

>I was wondering what file managers are available for 
>Linux/XFree in addition to those in Slackware distribution?
I have never used Slackware, so I DON'T know which are included.
>Mainly I was wondering if the Sun's OpenLook 'filemanagr'
>has been ported (it's not part of Slackware's OpenLook 
>package). 

Try using xarchie (or archie if you don't use X) to find filemanagers.
I found a great one but I think the name was just xfilemanager, and I have seen
more than one program using that name :-(.

>My other question is this: Now that I have my Linux setup
>running fairly well, I roam around ftp sites trying to get 
>useful software. What should I be looking for? If the program

You should be looking for programs that are useful for you ! :-)
If you wan't to play games then find games (I heard that Apogee will make 
a Linux port of DOOM, I'm looking forward to it.). If you use TeX/LaTeX then
find utilities for them. .....

>is source code, how will I know if it's compatible with Linux?
>Also, what libraries should I have installed to compile for X?

The best thing to do is (this is MY opinion) to download the newest version
(some recognize the LINUX defines!) then read the man page and the README's
then try following the guidelines. Then interpret the error messages (use a
GOOD book about whichever language the program is written in) then make backups
of "error" files and change the source and recompile.
Problems that can be from anything about signals not implemented in LINUX (
because it is trying to be POSIX compliant) to wrong use of Graphics context's
in X programs.

>These questions may be wrong, but please expand on them
>or point me to the right doc source. Thank you,

>Max
Reading FAQ's is always great, get as many as possible.
-- 
Henrik Lund  LINUX: fast, free, flexible PC-UN*X  X, gcc etc on 386DX/25MHz
lund@diku.dk Computer Science Student at University of Copenhagen, DIKU
All opinions are mine, but you may redistribute them according to
Gnu General Public License 2. Messy-DOS/drugs just say NO, NO, NO, NO !

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From: branko@godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au (Branko Turk)
Subject: pcnfsd for Linux ?
Date: 10 Mar 94 04:44:13 GMT

I want to connect two PCs. One is running Linux one.oh and
the other DOS/Windoze. I also have PC/TCP which I plan to
put on DOS box. PC/TCP manual says ( yes, I admit, I read 
manuals ;-) that I need pcnfsd on ***x box. Do I have one.
( pcnfsd not the ***x box ) If I dont where can I get one.
( pcnfsd ).

Appreciate any responses.

--
branko@godzilla.cgl.rmit.edu.au
 gjuro@fawlty.towers.oz.au
--

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From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams)
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 11:05:28 GMT

John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386) wrote:
: I am a professional programmer.  I write operating
: systems for a living.  Expecting me to =stop= writing operating
: systems and start being a CD-ROM distribution company is quite
: unrealistic.  

This is a strawman argument. No one expects anything of you. Who
would presume to tell you what to do? No one.

: Now how do you expect Cygnus to make its payroll?  More of these 
: creative non-monetary economic principals you're thinking of?

Those are not my words. There is only one economy: individual choice.
Why people make these choices are their business and it is not for
John Haugh to decide which choices are valid. Payrolls, fees,
gain, and loss are all side-effects of the multitude of individuals
making personal choices which in some fashion appear optimal to 
them. If the GPL is flawed, then the free market will decide, not 
some guru pontificating. 

Thomas

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
From: ljt3@PL122b.lehigh.edu (Lewis)
Subject: Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX!
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 01:54:09 GMT

In article <2lklvr$h2v@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> gbuhlman@uoguelph.ca (Glen Buhlmann) writes:
>someone else writes:
>: I'll have you know I'm sitting right here in front of god, and god is
>: running Linux.
>I am God......and I use an Amiga......

Running Amiga Linux, I assume. :-)
--
Lewis Tanzos - ljt3@[cs1.cc/pl122.eecs].lehigh.edu  - ljt3@Lehigh.edu
"By the common conception, humankind doesn't consider something 'worth
 it' unless they get their investment back -- preferrably with profit.
         ...By this criterion, most of the Universe is 'not worth it'"

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From: kew@timesink.spk.wa.us (Keith Walker)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program
Date: 10 Mar 94 16:44:07 GMT

Stuart 'TheCube' Herbert (ac3slh@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk) wrote:
> If you just start placing restrictions
> on newsgroups (and what gives *you* the right to do that!?!) then some bright
> spark will simply knockup alt.linux.* and then you've achieved fragmentation.

> This really is a stupid idea.

I couldn't agree more.

Two questions always come to mind when I think of the moderation of
comp.os.linux.*: 

1. The FAQ list is built up from those very questions that Ian is seeking
to censor. Will the FAQ lists become moribund? Surely there will be new
features to Linux that will cause newbies to turn to comp.os.linux.help,
but their questions will then fall upon the deaf ears of Ian's censor
program and will not make it into the FAQ lists for those people with the
smarts to look up the FAQ's.

2. What about the many, many lurkers (I'd have to place myself in this
category) out there. They are *not* newbies, they know about the FAQ's,
HOWTO's, and the LDP docs, but they aren't able to find an answer to
their question. They shoot off something to comp.os.linux.help, only to
have the censor program notice that they've never posted to c.o.l.h before,
and get back a blurb telling them that they need to read the fine manuals.


I volunteer to create alt.linux.* after the net.police decide that newbies
aren't important enough to listen to in comp.os.linux. :-)/2


--
Keith Walker               kew@timesink.spk.wa.us
-- 
Keith Walker               kew@timesink.spk.wa.us

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From: joel@boris.infomagic.com (Joel Goldberger)
Subject: Re: linux on cdrom
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 04:54:31 GMT

In article <CMFAAr.n1s@sbu.edu> cmckay@sbu.edu (Phantom) writes:
> I would like to know what is a good company that has
> the latest version of linux and a reasonable price on
> cdrom.
>       Thanks,
>               Chris
>               cmckay@sbu.edu
> 

Gee, that sounds like us !  We just released a disc containing the  
complete contents of sunsite & tsx taken on 18 February.  This disc  
contains the SLS (1.0.3) and Slackware (1.1.2) distributions as well as  
the TAMU 0.99.15 (binary), debian, and Japanese Extensions distributions.   
This is all in addition to the full source and binary trees in their "raw"  
form.  The disc sells for $15, subscriptions are available (6 releases at  
2-3 month intervals for $75).  For more info contact us directly at:
info@InfoMagic.com or one of the numbers below.

--
Joel Goldberger
InfoMagic, Inc.

Tel: 609-683-5501
Fax: 609-683-5502

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From: pirih@eskimo.com (Chris Pirih)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX!
Date: 9 Mar 94 13:13:30 GMT
Reply-To: pirih@eskimo.com

In article <GTAYLOR.94Mar8181237@god.ext.tufts.edu>, Grant Taylor wrote:
> I'll have you know I'm sitting right here in front of god, and god is
> running Linux.

Cool -- I didn't realize the god port was so far along!

When will it go ALPHA?

---
chris

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From: Petert@mouse.com <petert@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Minicom Problem
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 15:02:55 PST

Hi,
I have Minicom running on Linux 0.99pl13 (not sure on Minicom version). 
Once I changed the Minicom to (what I thought) would be the use of the 
Alt-key instead of the Ctrl-A, I was unable to get it to work, even after 
changing the .minicom/<config-file> back to Ctrl-A, and doing minicom -s. 
Basically I've tried to change to using Alt. Didn't work. I tried several 
ways to change back, and haven't gotten any response. Now when I run it, 
and press Ctrl-A,Z, nothing happens. (The status line does say that I 
should press Ctrl-A,Z for Help, as usual.)

Any Ideas?
-Peter-

----
petert@waffle.sns.com  (Petert@mouse.com)
Systems'n'Software 
Free Public Access Internet BBS 
(510)623-8656 FAX (510)623-8652 DATA

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.intel
From: doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: 486SX vs 486DX - difference in performance using Linux
Reply-To: doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:36:23 GMT

In article <2lhv3o$ps@hercules.neu.sgi.com>, ove@groovy.neu.sgi.com (Ove
Hansen) writes:
>             ... how important the FPU in the DX processor is for the
> performance of a system running Linux (or Unix in general). What will 
> the performance hit be if I choose an SX over a DX processor (assuming 
> both have the same processor speed)? Of course this would depend upon 
> what I do (I assume posting this would take the same amount of time 
> on both :-) but let's assume the system has oodles of memory and would 
> be used for:
> 
> - X-windows (using the usual desktop tools, and Tseng ET4000 or Trident 
>   TVGA display adapter)
> - compiling/developing source
> - News (INN) and mail server

DX will probably not be relevant for what you describe.
Heavy data crunching, like Octave/Spreadsheets/Ray-Tracing
will naturally see a big difference.  This doesn't sound
like your situation.

Non-obvious programs that make demands on the FPU are GhostScript
and the InterViews toolkit.  Anybody care to add to this list?

BTW, get a cheap S3 video card.  It will run rings around any
Tseng or Trident card using XFree86[tm].

                - Larry Doolittle   doolittle@cebaf.gov

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From: 6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William Bushing)
Subject: Newbie: Setting up Man Pages
Date: 11 Mar 1994 20:56:59 -0800

I just recently installed Linux (99.13 from Yggdrasil) on a
120 meg to play with. So far I'm quite pleased. However, I
may have made a newbie error. I can't get man to read my man
pages and am not sure where in the mass of documentation to
look for tips.

When I try to use man, I get the following error message:

        "unable to make sense of the file (null)"

I can go into the man files and read them, but would like to
access them the normal way. Where should my manpath.config
file point (it was set to my cd rom but I now have the man
pages transferred to my first partition). Other changes I
might need to make?

Thanks in advance... with Linux I feel like I'm back in the
60's (minus the drugs, etc.).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
William W. (Boo) Bushing  |  "Life is too important to be
6500boo@ucsbuxa.bitnet    |       taken seriously"
6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  | 
bushing@lifesci.ucsb.edu  |            - Einstein
Marine Biotechnology Lab   Univ. of Calif. Santa Barbara
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: 6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William Bushing)
Subject: XV for Linux???
Date: 11 Mar 1994 20:58:06 -0800

Is xv available for Linux? Ftp site? Thanks in advance!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
William W. (Boo) Bushing  |  "Life is too important to be
6500boo@ucsbuxa.bitnet    |       taken seriously"
6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  | 
bushing@lifesci.ucsb.edu  |            - Einstein
Marine Biotechnology Lab   Univ. of Calif. Santa Barbara
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: 6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William Bushing)
Subject: Mounting a DOS partition
Date: 11 Mar 1994 21:00:11 -0800

Sorry, I'm a newbie at Linux. I can mount my cd-rom with no
problem, but am not certain how to mount a DOS partition.
Pointers (either to documentation or actual command syntax,
etc.). Thanks in advance!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
William W. (Boo) Bushing  |  "Life is too important to be
6500boo@ucsbuxa.bitnet    |       taken seriously"
6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  | 
bushing@lifesci.ucsb.edu  |            - Einstein
Marine Biotechnology Lab   Univ. of Calif. Santa Barbara
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: mcquill@next.duq.edu (Tod McQuillin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: 10 Mar 94 05:01:05 GMT

Amancio Hasty Jr (hasty@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <2lkpg5$8hn@Tut.MsState.Edu> simmons@EE.MsState.Edu writes:
: >In article <CM44Lq.78x@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
: >
: >The X version should be just as fast as an svgalib version, because
: >David Taylor is using the shared memory extentions of X.  Hence,
: >no real need for an svga version.

: I really doubt that a direct access to a fast svga card on a local bus would
: compare in performance to the client-server model of X.

: If you ask me X is very, very broken in this respect. 

Amancio, what effect, if any, do you think the shared memory extentions of X
have on graphics performance?

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From: jdl@netcom.com (James D. Levine)
Subject: Linux Mailing Lists
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 05:40:54 GMT


How do I join the Linux mailing lists?  I tried mailing 
linux-announce-request@niksula.hut.fi with "help" in my subject (per Matt 
Welsh's Getting Started document), but niksula bounces it back.  Has the 
list server moved?

James



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From: ptomblin@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Now *that's* interesting... (in.ntalkd's from hell)
Date: 9 Mar 1994 22:22:21 -0500

I booted my machine this afternoon (I'd removed my soundblaster to sell it -
I need the money more than I need to listen to a bunch of .mod files), and I
noticed that the disk was going nuts, and the load average was over 1.0.

Closer investigation revealed that in.ntalkd kept spawning and dying, over
and over again.  That's wierd, because I'm not on a network.  And my
/var/adm/messages file was getting tons of messages about this.  So I
commented talk and ntalk out of my inetd.conf, and rebooted, and the probelm
went away.  What happened to make it think it was getting random connections
over the non-existant net?

Oh, something else: 'w' reports garbage in the "From" field for most of my
xterms.

I'm running Slackware 1.1.1, installed from the Trans-Ameritech CD.  No
frills.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, Head - Automated Test Tools Team.
Gandalf Canada Limited
This is not an official statement of Gandalf, or of Vicki Robinson.
"To err is human, but to really foul things up requires the root password"

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From: olsenc@maxwell.ee.washington.edu (Clint Olsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Any support for Adaptec 6260 in the works?
Date: 12 Mar 1994 12:21:55 GMT

I've seen quite a bit of support for the Adaptec, but I haven't seen
anything about the 6260.  We have an Intel motherboard with onboard
SCSI.  I am anxious to hook up disks!!!

-Clint
--
Clint Olsen
University of Washington
Electrical Engineering
olsenc@maxwell.ee.washington.edu

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