Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #801
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Date:     Sat, 12 Mar 94 12:13:09 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #801, Volume #1                Sat, 12 Mar 94 12:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: "ls" IN TECHNICOLOR!!!! (Gary Barth)
  Moving root partion. Easiest way ? (Tony Ambardar)
  Re: [Q] Serial Ports & MFM drives (Stefan Nehlsen)
  groff fonts (Markus_Becker)
  Compiling Driver on Linux (Young Charlie)
  Re: UPS Graphical Debugger, Linux version 0.2 (Excellent :) (Me Myself and I)
  Linux On the Amiga.. (gdruebsamen@csupomona.edu)
  Re: soup-reader for linux. (Dave Gardner)
  [Q] XFree & S3-805 "Made in Taiwan". Suggestions? (Janne Sinkkonen)
  broken crond ? (James Morris)
  on linux xdm+xterm+rlogin to sun fails (Ronald Ohst)
  Linux Fax Programs (Enrico Scotoni)
  Re: Ytalk binary for linux (Frederik Lindenaar)
  Where is xvnews? (Mike Blandford, EES-5)
  Re: how do I uncompress .z files (Charles W. Blumreich)
  Re: xdm wouldn't let anyone in (Ralf Wirth)
  Re: Any support for Adaptec 6260 in the works? (Michael K. Johnson)
  Re: groff fonts (gans)
  Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  Re: Help Bernulie (YES/NO) (rpmccoy on BIX)
  Re: DOOM for X (Sakari Jalovaara)
  Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program (Byron A Jeff)

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From: epgm46@email.mot.com (Gary Barth)
Subject: Re: "ls" IN TECHNICOLOR!!!!
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 18:26:04 GMT

It's also a feature of the Norton Utilities DOS replacement command
processor, NDOS. Just how much like DOS are you trying to make
Linux...isn't the opposite supposed to be the goal?

Gary

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From: bird@sevior.triumf.ca (Tony Ambardar)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Moving root partion. Easiest way ?
Date: 10 Mar 94 23:09:12 GMT

Hi all,

I want to modify a linux/msdos system by chucking the first dos partition
and moving the linux root partition there. I've modified root parititions
on other systems before, but never for linux. Could someone experienced
in this email me the simplest, quickest way to move '/' from /dev/hda2,
where it is now, to /dev/hda1. This is for fresh Slackware 1.1.2, and
I've already made a proper fs on /dev/hda1.

Thanks in advance for any help,
Tony

Email to bird@sevior.triumf.ca


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From: stefan@nehlsen.toppoint.de (Stefan Nehlsen)
Subject: Re: [Q] Serial Ports & MFM drives
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 16:55:15 GMT

webster@kaiwan.com (Tom Webster) writes:

>Hi,

>A couple of quick questions:

>(1) How well does the XT driver handle MFM drives on a 16bit 
>controller?  Am thinking of moving an old "El-Cheapo" 386sx to
>Linux to act as a network node.  I have the opportunity to by some 
>used MFM drives cheap and am wondering if I should do it, or bite 
>the bullet and add an AHA1522A and a SCSI drive instead.

XT controllers alway are 8bit cards. ( because there where no 16bit slots
in the XT ) For this reason you don't need the xt driver.

MFM, RLL, ESDI and IDE (AT-BUS) controllers behave all in the same way.
A scsi controller able to coexist with one of them.

>Is the driver stable?
>Can it be reliably booted from?

[...]

bye,  Stefan
-- 
Stefan Nehlsen   nelli@toppoint.de   tel: 04346/8631
Kirchhofsallee 22   24214 Gettorf   Germany
bezahlte Arbeit gesucht !

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From: markus@gummibaer.rhein-main.de (Markus_Becker)
Subject: groff fonts
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 07:34:03 GMT

Hi !
Maybe this is the wrong group, but let's try.
I'd like to know where to get the files for /usr/lib/groff/font/devps.
In my SLS (1.03) only the files for devdvi, devlatin1 and devascii
were included. In this context it's very strange that SLS included
the driver for ps(grops) but NOT the driver for dvi (grodvi).
Any idea where to get the right fonts and drivers ?
TNX in advance.
CU
    Markus

***    Oo        Baila para obtener nuevos amigos !!   ***
***   \V>        Acepta otras culturas !!              ***
***   /#\        Hacea paz por todo el mundo !!        ***
***    #\        markus@gummibaer.rhein-main.de        ***

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From: young933@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Young Charlie)
Subject: Compiling Driver on Linux
Date: 12 Mar 1994 12:13:37 GMT

 Can anyone spare a compiled LPMud driver for Linux? I have had
 no luck compiling the one i got off of sunsite. 
 thanks. mail me at this address or post it here. 


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From: akw@ukc.ac.uk (Me Myself and I)
Subject: Re: UPS Graphical Debugger, Linux version 0.2 (Excellent :)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 00:41:43 GMT

[ Followed up from comp.os.linux.announce ]

In article <1994Mar10.174851.10196@cs.cornell.edu>,
Rick Sladkey <jrs@world.std.com> wrote:

>Six months ago I ported the UPS debugger to Linux.  Since then I

        [ Deleted ]

>The file is currently available at:

>  sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/Incoming/ups-2.45.2-linux-0.2.diff.gz
                                                                      
>and likely soon at:
                                                                      
>  sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/devel/debuggers/ups-2.45.2-linux-0.2.diff.gz
                                                                      
>These diffs should be applied to a virgin UPS distribution such as:
                                                                      
>  ftp.x.org:/contrib/ups-2.45.2.tar.Z
                                                                      
Don't forget to get ups-song.au and ups-song.ms as well if you have a
soundcard installed and want a laugh :)

Available at ftp.x.org:/contrib/
or  unix.hensa.ac.uk:/pub/misc/unix/ups/

Though note that the Linux version at unix.hensa is not the new one
yet.

Andy.

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From: gdruebsamen@csupomona.edu
Subject: Linux On the Amiga..
Date: 10 Mar 94 09:13:57 PST

-- 

I am new to Linux, and I was wondering if anyone could help...

I am wondering just exactly what files I need for linux to run on my A3000 w/10
megs of ram.

I have the kernal and the bootstrap, but what else is needed for the full linux
implementation? (No docs came with the kernal).

Thanks in Advance!

---
Gene Ruebsamen
Email: gdruebsamen@vmsa.is.csupomona.edu
 ----=====< V I C - 2 0 >=====-----
      ******// CD 32 //******

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From: dgardner@netcom.com (Dave Gardner)
Subject: Re: soup-reader for linux.
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 00:52:59 GMT

John R. Campbell (soup@sonosam.wisdom.bubble.org) wrote:
: >Does anyone know if there is a soup-reader available for
: >Linux/Unix...?
: Actually, what do you _really_ mean?

SOUP stands for Simple Offline Usenet Protocol/Package/Program, which 
lets a caller use a program on a Unix host called UQWK to collect 
mail/news packets in one of three formats (SOUP, ZipNews and QWK), and 
download them to the client to be read offline.  The original poster 
wants an offline reader program for Linux that will understand SOUP 
message base format.  It seems bass-ackwards, using Unix to create 
DOS-like message bases, but it's cheaper than a UUCP connection.

-- 
==============================================================================
Dave Gardner          \ /    The views expressed in this message are entirely
dgardner@netcom.com   -*-    my own.  I speak for no one else, and no one
S. Pasadena, CA       / \    else speaks for me .... I think.
==============================================================================

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From: sinkkone@plootu.Helsinki.FI (Janne Sinkkonen)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: [Q] XFree & S3-805 "Made in Taiwan". Suggestions?
Date: 12 Mar 1994 14:01:47 +0200

I got a cheap 805-based VLB card to try with XFree-2.0.

It only works reliably with a 65MHz dot clock.  If I use a dot clock
around 75MHz, which is the next alternative, the picture on the screen
gets random, fast, local shifts to the right (about 1/5 of the
horizontal size of the screen), always when something is drawn. It
seems like the card misses horizontal sync and starts drawing too late
when the DRAM is accessed through the VLB.

Is there anything I could do, or should I simply throw the card out of
the window?

--
Janne


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From: jmorris@mu.apana.org.au (James Morris)
Subject: broken crond ?
Date: 12 Mar 1994 19:53:55 -1000

The crond program on my system is acting strangely..

When I boot Linux, it sets off all of the crontabs - even
ones that are not due to be executed at the time.

The base system is Slackware 1.1.1 (Linux pl.14).

I was wondering if anyone else has had the same problem
with the crond from this distribution... 

JM.
-- 

James Morris
<jmorris@mu.apana.org.au>

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From: ohst@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Ronald Ohst)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.X.i386unix
Subject: on linux xdm+xterm+rlogin to sun fails
Date: 10 Mar 1994 00:54:02 GMT

I have a strange problem with rlogin when using X.  Don't know
if the problem is with the rlogin or the X, so I'm posting to both
c.o.l.m and c.w.X.i.  Here's the info:
        I'm using linux pl15f from slackware 1.1.2.  I'm also using xdm.
        I'm trying to rlogin to a sun.
        I CAN do it if I use rxvt.
        I CANNOT do it if I use xterm (sun returns immediately with
                rlogin: connection closed).

        However: if I don't use xdm, but just start X once I'm logged in,
        rlogin to a sun from an xterm DOES work.

        Also, it seems like I have NO problems when rlogging to a DEC station
        or an SGI.  I can sometimes rlogin to an HP 9000/735 running HPUX
        9.01, but sometimes it fails.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I would prefer email responses if possible.

Thanks,

Ron Ohst                                rohst@ucsd.edu, (619) 534-2440
University of California, San Diego     Department of Cognitive Science
Ron Ohst                                rohst@ucsd.edu, (619) 534-2440
University of California, San Diego     Department of Cognitive Science

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Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 09:23:00 MET
From: scoti@p46.keru.chg.imp.com (Enrico Scotoni)
Subject: Linux Fax Programs

 > From: gert@greenie.muc.de (Gert Doering)

 > pclink@qus102.qld.tne.oz.au (Rick) writes:

 >>gert@greenie.muc.de (Gert Doering) writes:

 >>>As mentioned above, FlexFax (from sgi.com), efax (sunsite / tsx-11), and
 >>>mgetty+sendfax (sunsite, tsx-11).

 >>>Which one did I forget?

 >>There's vfax (ZyXEL only) on sunsite in /pub/Linux/apps/comm/vfax10.tar.z,
 >>and the GNU product, net-fax-3.2.1.  You can get netfax from any GNU
 >>archive, and patches for compiling on Linux are available on sunsite
 >>as /pub/Linux/apps/comm/net-fax-3.2.1.linux-patch.

 > Yes, true. I did not mention them, because vfax is so ZyXEL- specific, and
 > the original poster did not ask about ZyXEL fax programs but fax programs
 > in general (that's why I also did not mention the excellent "ZyXEL"
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do you mean [mv]getty with this sentence or vfax ???? Or what ????

 > program for voice / data / fax operations), and because I've never been
 > able to make GNU NetFax work reliably...

 > gert
 > --

Enrico.

---

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From: jfl@joyride.vague.nl.mugnet.org (Frederik Lindenaar)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Ytalk binary for linux
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 94 14:40:16 MET

Hi, 

antonio gatta (st92ba44@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu) wrote:
: hello out there.
:       i'm looking for a copy of ytalk (any working version will do)  
:       that has been compiled for/on a linux box.  actually, even
:       if it hasn't, as long as it *works* on a linux box.  please
:       email me anything that would help.  thanks in advance.

hmm.. I compiled it without any probs. and it works fine here now....
Why are you looking for a compiled version? (I could E-mail it if you
want to, just let me know)

grtnx,

JFL
_______________________________________________________________________________
Frederik Lindenaar               _   __        __       Tel/Fax: ++31-53-309969
Deurningerstraat 7/102        __/_|_| ___|  |_|_
7514 BC Enschede           | / /  | |__| |__| |__                jfl@hacktic.nl
The Netherlands            |/ jfl@vague.nl.mugnet.org          jfl@2:283/315.38


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From: mikey@enmu.edu (Mike Blandford, EES-5)
Subject: Where is xvnews?
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 18:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: mikey@math.enmu.edu


I saw a post concerning xvnews a couple of days ago and now I cant find
it.  Can anyone tell me where I could find a compiled version of xvnews 2.1.4
( or newer ) or maybe some sources that will compile under linux ( preferred ).

I looked at sunsite through the ls-lR file and the LSM file.

Thanks.
---
Mikey
=========================================================================
| mikey@truman.lanl.gov                 Michael Blandford               |
| mikey@math.enmu.edu                   Computer Systems Administrator  |
| Huh Huh that was cool !!!             Los Alamos National Laboratory  |
=========================================================================


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From: cwblumre@major.cs.mtu.edu (Charles W. Blumreich)
Subject: Re: how do I uncompress .z files
Date: 10 Mar 1994 06:10:23 GMT

Phillip Hardy (phillip@mserve.kiwi.gen.nz) wrote:
:->i have been playing with my system and i realy like compressed
:->Faq files now to read them all i have to do is.
:->zcat LINUX-FAQ.gz | more
:->and Vola i can read/search the faqs without takeing 
:->up late-amounts of hdd space :)

not to be critical, but what's wrong with zmore?
--
Charles W Blumreich III
cwblumre@fsh.mtu.edu
cwblumre@major.cs.mtu.edu


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
From: Ralf.Wirth@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Ralf Wirth)
Subject: Re: xdm wouldn't let anyone in
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 14:00:30 GMT

sipan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sergey I Panov) writes:


>I tryed to put xdm at the end of my rc.local . I did get filling that it 

Well, try to put it into you inittab, after the declaration of the 
Virtual Terminals.

Use the runlevels 4,5 and 6, and xdm instead of the getty.
Here's an extract of my inittab:

[...]
# BEWARE: where is your getty? in /bin or in /etc? possibly going
# single user.
c1:123456:respawn:/etc/getty 9600 tty1
c2:23456:respawn:/etc/getty 9600 tty2
c3:3456:respawn:/etc/getty 9600 tty3
c4:456:respawn:/etc/getty 9600 tty4
#c6:456:respawn:/etc/getty 9600 tty6
c6:456:wait:/usr/X386/bin/xdm
#
[...]

CU. Ralf.
-- 
*****************************************************************************
* Name: Ralf Wirth                                                          *
* Job : Student of computer science/Wizard of Nightfall (Veltins).          *
* Login : Henry@Diamant, Henry@Faramir, Infsys@Legolas, Wwwadm@Eowyn        *
* E-Mail Address: Ralf.Wirth@informatik.uni-oldenburg.de                    *
* ------------------------------------------------------------------------- *
* No, I'm not related to him.                                               *
*****************************************************************************

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From: johnsonm@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Any support for Adaptec 6260 in the works?
Date: 12 Mar 1994 14:55:48 GMT


In article <2lsc53$8pd@news.u.washington.edu> olsenc@maxwell.ee.washington.edu (Clint Olsen) writes:

   I've seen quite a bit of support for the Adaptec, but I haven't seen
   anything about the 6260.  We have an Intel motherboard with onboard
   SCSI.  I am anxious to hook up disks!!!

The Adaptec 152x driver, which has been in the kernel for some time,
will work with that chip.  Use a recent kernel, because the earlier
version of the driver didn't work quite right on some fast connections
to the 6260, like LB and MB-direct ones.

michaelkjohnson

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From: gans@acf2.nyu.edu (gans)
Subject: Re: groff fonts
Date: 11 Mar 1994 04:39:20 GMT

markus@gummibaer.rhein-main.de (Markus_Becker) writes:

>Hi !
>Maybe this is the wrong group, but let's try.
>I'd like to know where to get the files for /usr/lib/groff/font/devps.
>In my SLS (1.03) only the files for devdvi, devlatin1 and devascii
>were included. In this context it's very strange that SLS included
>the driver for ps(grops) but NOT the driver for dvi (grodvi).
>Any idea where to get the right fonts and drivers ?
>TNX in advance.
>CU
>    Markus

>***    Oo        Baila para obtener nuevos amigos !!   ***
>***   \V>        Acepta otras culturas !!              ***
>***   /#\        Hacea paz por todo el mundo !!        ***
>***    #\        markus@gummibaer.rhein-main.de        ***

I've just (yesterday) gotten the current groff source from
its home at prep.ai.mit.edu.  It was complete with all of the
normally supplied fonts, including postscript.  The compile
went very smoothly, the install worked, and I was up and
running.  I did this on Slackware 1.1.2 using the supplied
gcc and libs (I'm not on my machine at the moment and don't
recall version numbers).  If you've kept your SLS up to date
you should have no trouble.

If you don't want to all that bother, it might be possible to
simply extract the postscript stuff from the current gnu 
distribution and insert it in the right spot by hand...

   ---- Paul J. Gans   [gans@acf2.nyu.edu]



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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 16:02:36 GMT

imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) writes:
>
>In all my years on the net, I have yet to see anything stupider or
>more inane prposed w/o a good explaination offered.
>
>Sigh.  I've never gotten attitude like this back from the BSD folks.
>Petty infighting, yes, but never this level of arrogance and insanity.
>
>What is Linux turning into?

It's not Linux that's the problem.  It's the narrowness and jingoism
of its supporters.  People here are simply not living in the real
world.  When reality threatens to intrude, in fact, many of them run
screaming to mother (i.e. comp.os.linux.advocacy, moderation, etc.).
Linux is a hackers' toy, with some real world applications.  It is
unlikely ever to become a truly popular desktop OS, if for no other
reason than that its supporters are so out of touch.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: rpmccoy@BIX.com (rpmccoy on BIX)
Subject: Re: Help Bernulie (YES/NO)
Date: 12 Mar 94 15:13:20 GMT


I am running Linux entirely from an Insider 150 using
a boot floppy.  The controller is an Adaptec 1542B.

Installation was straightforward.  I first loaded all
the SLS files to the SCSI hard disk,  then followed
the installation instructions from the FAQ or wherever.

Dick....N4UN

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From: sja@snakemail.hut.fi (Sakari Jalovaara)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: 12 Mar 94 15:47:12 GMT

> I agree that X the wrong platform for doing high-speed and
> time-critical graphics applications like video-style games.  There are
> extensions (not SHM) that help a little, but there are lots of
> advantages to taking direct control of the hardware.  The result is
> _not_ client-server.

To get high speed graphics on X you just need to re-write the server:

        - At program startup, map the X server code into the application
          program memory space (e.g. as a shared library).
        - In every Xlib call, check if the display to be accessed is local.
          If not, send a network X request as usual.
        - For local displays, call the appropriate routine in the server.
          The server code should be extended to do appripriate locking
          for its global data and display hardware.

No network delays, no network packet building, no copying of images
between processes, no process context switches.  Of course, a badly
behaving process can screw your display - but that's life (cf. xmelt.)

So your video hardware has commands that don't map well to Xlib
functions?  You may want to define extensions for them.  And perhaps
implement slower emulation routines for programs that want to be
portable.

Now, whether this still qualifies as "client-server" is something of
a philosophical question.
                                                                        ++sja

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.* moderation by program
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 16:56:52 GMT

In article <1994Mar12.160236.16532@midway.uchicago.edu>,
Richard L. Goerwitz <goer@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) writes:
>>
>>In all my years on the net, I have yet to see anything stupider or
>>more inane prposed w/o a good explaination offered.
>>
>>Sigh.  I've never gotten attitude like this back from the BSD folks.
>>Petty infighting, yes, but never this level of arrogance and insanity.
>>
>>What is Linux turning into?
>
>It's not Linux that's the problem.  It's the narrowness and jingoism
>of its supporters.  People here are simply not living in the real
>world.  When reality threatens to intrude, in fact, many of them run
>screaming to mother (i.e. comp.os.linux.advocacy, moderation, etc.).
>Linux is a hackers' toy, with some real world applications.  It is
>unlikely ever to become a truly popular desktop OS, if for no other
>reason than that its supporters are so out of touch.

Richard you are essentially correct. However I think you're mistaken in 
the belief that Linux needs to become a mainstream OS. It's a great toy
that allows me to get a lot of work done. As you've pointed out myriad
times that it doesn't have to tools to satify all needs like commercial
environments do (you're multilingual support is a apt example). However
saying that its supporters don't live in the real world is a bit harsh.

The point you've missed in all of this is that folks like you pay to
get the functionality you need. It's unresonable to expect a "rag tag"
bunch of free developers to support all those types of applications that
commercial folks spend a bunch of money to develop.

I'm rather rabid about the OS because it make my PC do things that I never
thought it could ever do. When folks come down hard and heavy on it just
because it's not everything they want and need yet it hurts my feelings.

I think that Linux becoming a popular desktop OS is farfetched because
the vast majority of PC users out there neither need or can appricate
the power the Linux brings to their machine. Since it doesn't bring anything
new to the table for them, it doesn't serve their purpose, yet.

However what it brings to the table for me is phenomenal. 

Lastly why should I bother with the real world when the fantasy is so much
better! ;-)

NB: this has nothing to do with news.groups anymore. Followup to c.o.l.misc.

BAJ
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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