Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #811
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Date:     Mon, 14 Mar 94 10:13:11 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #811, Volume #1                Mon, 14 Mar 94 10:13:11 EST

Contents:
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (John Henders)
  bug in out of band TCP (Francois Genolini)
  rsh problem: gurus apply within (James Briggs)
  Re: DOOM for X (Robert Cooper)
  Linux 1.0---A better UNIX than Windows NT (Linus Torvalds)
  Free PCNFS client? (Peter Berger)
  Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX! (Anton Toom)
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (Alasdair Grant)
  Re: XV for Linux??? (Robert Millner)
  Re: Mounting a DOS partition (Robert Millner)
  Re: PCI motherboard and devices (Michael Will)
  Re: Seeking anecdotes about Linux supported sound cards + tape backups (R. Larry Arbanas)
  Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (Bill Hogan)
  Re: Upgradability? (Andreas Helke)

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.com (John Henders)
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 23:38:28 GMT

jfn@pc-visao-4.inesc (Jorge Nunes) writes:
>jhenders@jonh.wimsey.com (John Henders) wrote:
stty: standard input: Invalid argument

>>        There's a great on called xwpe that is a clone of the Borland
>>IDE, including debugging. Unfortunately, the docs are all in German,
>>though all the menus are in English.

>Please, tell us where it is!

        From archie.  sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de:/pub/unix/lang/xwpe.tar.Z
-- 
           John Henders - Wimsey Information Services
           GAT/MU/AE d- -p+(--) c++++ l++ u++ t- m--- 
               e* s-/+ n-(?) h++ f+ g+ w+++ y*

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From: genolini@westminster.ac.uk (Francois Genolini)
Subject: bug in out of band TCP
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 10:15:52 GMT

Does someone manage to have out of band TCP messages across ?

-- 

Francois GENOLINI                    | La revolution tue ses propres enfants.
Centre for Parallel Computing        |        /.-.\
University of Westminster            |       }|( )|{

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From: jeb@vigard.mef.org (James Briggs)
Subject: rsh problem: gurus apply within
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 22:30:07 GMT

My TransAmerica Slackware 1.1.1 rsh/rcp commands don't: they only give
"Permission denied", even though hosts, hosts.equiv, and .rhosts
are set up just fine. I have started looking at inetd.conf, but
am not sure what to look for: the rshd line matches a working 
SLS pl12 system, but don't work on mine. How do I debug this?
Could it be a Kerberos thing? I'm not using Kerberos as far as I know.
I have no rshd-specific commands in rc.inet2. Is this a problem?

Bye the way, what does ugidd do in rc.inet2?

Please mail me. Thanks for your advice.


-- 
James Briggs, Toronto            jeb@vigard.mef.org or CI$ 71022,3700
C, MS Windows & dBASE consulting GPS(NAD27): N43o39.840' W079o22.701'+120m

Discover audiophile sound quality - visit your local high-end dealer today.

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From: cooper@s2.s1.elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Cooper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: 13 Mar 94 03:21:49 GMT

ddt@daisy.cc.utexas.edu (David Taylor) writes:

>The good news: I've been contacted by SGI, DEC, and Sun on ports to
>their OS's.  The SGI Indy arrived today.  Neat machine.  An AXP and
>SS10 may be on their way.

        Lucky bastard :)  Doom is becoming incredibly huge....can't
        wait to see the Cray port...is there a Y-MP on it's way too
        I heard ther a neat machine as well :)

>The bad news: I hope y'all don't mind if I restrict the ports to
>keyboard input.  I'm kinda wondering about the rudeness of yanking the
>mouse into the window for mouse control.  Would rather not muck with
>it.  Real men use keyboards only anyway.. (I'm an incurable vi loser).
>The sound may also be sorta medium OK.  My Linux sound code doesn't
>sound super hot because Linux as w/ other UNIXes isn't too pleased with
>real-time sound scheduling, mixing, modelling, etc.  The effect is a
>few sound effects like item-up which sound as though there's a
>Katherine Hepburn filter on the output.

        I'm sure that'll be fine.  Any idea on when you'll let it loose
        on the un-washed hords of Doom fanatics?

>Kind of crunched for time at work, now.  The jag ports beckon.

>       =-ddt->


                                                Rob....

--
        Robert Cooper           Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
        cooper@elec.uq.oz.au    Dept. Computer and Elec. Engineering,
                                University of Queensland
=========================================================================

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From: Linus Torvalds <Linus.Torvalds@helsinki.fi>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.announce,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Linux 1.0---A better UNIX than Windows NT
Date: 14 Mar 1994 12:51:16 GMT

Finally, here it is.  Almost on time (being just two years late is
peanuts in the OS industry), and better than ever:

        Linux kernel release 1.0

This release has no new major features compared to the pl15 kernels, but
contains lots and lots of bugfixes: all the major ones are gone, the
smaller ones are hidden better.  Hopefully there are no major new ones. 

The Linux kernel can be found as source on most of the Linux ftp-sites
under the names

        linux-1.0.tar.gz                (full source)
        linux-1.0.patch.pl15.gz         (patch against linux-0.99pl15)
        linux-1.0.patch.alpha.gz        (patch from linux-pre-1.0)

it should be available at least at the sites

        ftp.funet.fi:
                pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus       (now)
        sunsite.unc.ed:
                pub/Linux/Incoming              (now)
                pub/Linux/kernel                (soon)
        tsx-11.mit.edu:
                pub/linux/sources/system        (soon)
        ftp.cs.helsinki.fi:
                pub/Software/Linux/Kernel       (now)

This release finally moves Linux out of Beta status and is meant as a
base for distributions to build on.  It will neither change Linux'
status as FreeWare under the GPL, nor will it mean the end of
development on Linux.  In fact many new features where held back for
later releases so that 1.0 could become a well tested and hopefully
stable release. 

The Linux kernel wouldn't be where it is today without the help of lots
of people: the kernel developers, the people who did user-level programs
making linux useful, and the brave and foolhardy people who risked their
harddisks and sanity to test it all out.  My thanks to you all. 
(Editorial note: if you think this sounds too much like the Academy
Awards ceremony, just skip this: it's not getting any better.)

Thanks to people like Aaron Kushner, Danny ter Haar and the authors of
the AnwenderHandbuch (and others) who have helped me with hardware or
monetary donations (and to the Oxford Beer Trolls and others who took
care of the drinkware).  And thanks to Dirk, who helped me write this
announcement despite my lazyness ("hey, it's just another release, who
needs an announcement anyway?"). 

To make a long and boring story a bit shorter and boring, here is at
least a partial list of people who have been helping make Linux what it
is today.  Thanks to you all,

        Krishna Balasubramanian <balasub@cis.ohio-state.edu>
        Arindam Banerji <axb@cse.nd.edu>
        Peter Bauer <100136.3530@compuserve.com>
        Fred Baumgarten <dc6iq@insu1.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de>
        Donald Becker <becker@super.org>
        Stephen R. van den Berg <berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>
        Hennus Bergman <hennus@sky.nl.mugnet.org>
        Ross Biro <bir7@leland.Stanford.Edu>
        Bill Bogstad <bogstad@cs.jhu.edu>
        John Boyd <boyd@cis.ohio-state.edu>
        Andries Brouwer <aeb@cwi.nl> 
        Remy Card <Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr>
        Ed Carp <ecarp@netcom.com>
        Raymond Chen <raymondc@microsoft.com>
        Alan Cox <iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk>
        Laurence Culhane <loz@holmes.demon.co.uk>
        Wayne Davison <davison@borland.com>
        Thomas Dunbar <tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu> 
        Torsten Duwe <duwe@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
        Drew Eckhardt <drew@cs.Colorado.EDU>
        Bjorn Ekwall <bj0rn@blox.se>
        Doug Evans <dje@cygnus.com>
        Rik Faith <faith@cs.unc.edu>
        Juergen Fischer <fischer@server.et-inf.fho-emden.de>
        Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@sw.oz.au>
        Ralf Flaxa <rfflaxa@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
        Nigel Gamble <nigel%gamble.uucp@gate.net>
        Philip Gladstone <philipg@onsett.com>
        Bruno Haible <haible@ma2s2.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de>
        Andrew Haylett <ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk>
        Dirk Hohndel <hohndel@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
        Nick Holloway <alfie@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
        Ron Holt <ron@novell.com>
        Rob W. W. Hooft <hooft@EMBL-Heidelberg.DE>
        Michael K. Johnson <johnsonm@sunsite.unc.edu>
        Fred N. van Kempen <waltje@uwalt.nl.mugnet.org>
        Olaf Kirch <okir@monad.swb.de>
        Ian Kluft <ikluft@thunder.sbay.org>
        Rudolf Koenig <rfkoenig@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
        Bas Laarhoven <bas@vimec.nl>
        Warner Losh <imp@boulder.parcplace.com>
        H.J. Lu <hjl@nynexst.com>
        Tuomas J. Lukka <Tuomas.Lukka@Helsinki.FI>
        Kai M"akisara <Kai.Makisara@vtt.fi>
        Pat Mackinlay <pat@it.com.au>
        John A. Martin <jmartin@csc.com>
        Bradley McLean <brad@bradpc.gaylord.com> 
        Craig Metz <cmetz@tjhsst.edu>
        William (Bill) Metzenthen <billm@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
        Rick Miller <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>
        Corey Minyard <minyard@wf-rch.cirr.com>
        Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de>
        Ian A. Murdock <imurdock@shell.portal.com>
        Johan Myreen <jem@vipunen.hut.fi>
        Stefan Probst <snprobst@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
        Daniel Quinlan <quinlan@bucknell.edu>
        Florian La Roche <rzsfl@rz.uni-sb.de>
        Robert Sanders <gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu>
        Peter De Schrijver <stud11@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be>
        Darren Senn <sinster@scintilla.santa-clara.ca.us>
        Chris Smith <csmith@convex.com>
        Drew Sullivan <drew@lethe.north.net> 
        Tommy Thorn <Tommy.Thorn@daimi.aau.dk>
        Jon Tombs <jon@gtex02.us.es>
        Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
        Simmule Turner <simmy@digex.com>
        Stephen Tweedie <sct@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
        Thomas Uhl <uhl@sun1.rz.fh-heilbronn.de> 
        Juergen Weigert <jnweiger@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
        Matt Welsh <mdw@sunsite.unc.edu>
        Marco van Wieringen <mvw@mercury.mcs.nl.mugnet.org>
        Stephen D. Williams <sdw@lig.net>
        G\"unter Windau <gunter@mbfys.kun.nl>
        Lars Wirzenius <lars.wirzenius@helsinki.fi>
        Roger E. Wolff <wolff@dutecai.et.tudelft.nl>
        Frank Xia <qx@math.columbia.edu> 
        Eric Youngdale <eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil>
        Orest Zborowski <orestz@microsoft.com>

A more detailed list with contact and description information can be
found in the CREDITS file that accompanies the kernel sources. 

--
Mail submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@tc.cornell.edu
PLEASE remember Keywords: and a short description of the software.

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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 19:30:00 MET
From: pit@p2.lxs.chg.imp.com (Peter Berger)
Subject: Free PCNFS client?

esuln@csv.warwick.ac.uk (James Murray) wrote:

 >>At work i use pl13 and at home there is pl14 and both have a PCNFS Server
 >>included, just look at rc.inet2 (Slackware)

 > Thats great but can I get hold of a free PCNFS client?
That's the prob, here (and on other places) discussed to death (with no result
afaik)..

 > Also, how do I get Linux to talk to SOSS - a free NFS server?
 > At present SOSS just tells me that I am not authorised.

Is root (if you tried it as root) in more than 8 (EIGHT!) groups?
Yes?

So, well, _that's_ the reason for this thingy not working... Solution: vi
/etc/group (damn, or has it been / etc/groups?, sorry, can't take a look right
now..) and remove some entries of root..

bye,
    Peter

E-Mail: pit@lxs.chg.imp.com


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From: ontonca@the-college.iwctx.edu (Anton Toom)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX!
Date: 13 Mar 94 01:57:07 GMT

Glen Buhlmann (gbuhlman@uoguelph.ca) wrote:

: I am God......and I use an Amiga......

a friend of mine, a greek god, uses his old apple2. says it's ok.
-- 
user ontonca@the-college.iwctx.edu: file ~/.signature not found

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From: ag129@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 11:18:38

In article <1994Mar13.204656.10648.chiark.ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu> iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) writes:
>The reason Linux doesn't run support MCA or NetWare is in each case
>difficulty in obtaining relevant information.  

Well it could support both MCA and NetWare by running as a guest under
OS/2... :-)   Seriously if you want to support NetWare the way to go
is to run Novell's own client modules in a virtual DOS box (of course
it wouldn't need to implement the whole of DOS, just the necessary
interrupts).  Reverse-engineering is not the only way, even if it may
give the biggest ego boost.

>I expect that the same
>is true of AppleTalk, though a lack of people wanting the facility may
>well have some impact there.

What about CAP then?  The spec for AppleTalk Phase II is readily 
available, even if Apple have since become less open about it.

Hey, what about support for SMB too?

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From: millner@sps1.phys.vt.edu (Robert Millner)
Subject: Re: XV for Linux???
Date: 12 Mar 1994 07:23:05 GMT

William Bushing (6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu) wrote:
: Is xv available for Linux? Ftp site? Thanks in advance!

: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: William W. (Boo) Bushing  |  "Life is too important to be
: 6500boo@ucsbuxa.bitnet    |       taken seriously"
: 6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  | 
: bushing@lifesci.ucsb.edu  |            - Einstein
: Marine Biotechnology Lab   Univ. of Calif. Santa Barbara
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        We're running XV3.00.  It should be on sunsite under
X11/xapps/graphics/xv-3.0*
        Rob


--
millner@sps1.phys.vt.edu
millner@vt.edu
millner@cebaf.gov
Finger millner@sps1.phys.vt.edu for more info
        and for PGP public key.


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From: millner@sps1.phys.vt.edu (Robert Millner)
Subject: Re: Mounting a DOS partition
Date: 12 Mar 1994 07:25:12 GMT

William Bushing (6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu) wrote:
: Sorry, I'm a newbie at Linux. I can mount my cd-rom with no
: problem, but am not certain how to mount a DOS partition.
: Pointers (either to documentation or actual command syntax,
: etc.). Thanks in advance!

: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: William W. (Boo) Bushing  |  "Life is too important to be
: 6500boo@ucsbuxa.bitnet    |       taken seriously"
: 6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  | 
: bushing@lifesci.ucsb.edu  |            - Einstein
: Marine Biotechnology Lab   Univ. of Calif. Santa Barbara
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        
        The command I use is:
mount -t msdos -o noexec /dev/hdb1 /doze
        where doze is the directory off of the root directory that I
use as the mount point, hdb1 the partition.                       
        Rob

        
--
millner@sps1.phys.vt.edu
millner@vt.edu
millner@cebaf.gov
Finger millner@sps1.phys.vt.edu for more info
        and for PGP public key.


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From: zxmgv07@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will)
Subject: Re: PCI motherboard and devices
Date: 14 Mar 94 11:21:45 GMT

I will upload my summary on PCI version 0.1 to sunsite sometime...
unfortunately I am on holiday for a week but after that I will.

Maybe it is time for a 0.2 then :-)

Cheers, Michael Will


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From: arbanas@bovaris.northville.mi.us (R. Larry Arbanas)
Subject: Re: Seeking anecdotes about Linux supported sound cards + tape backups
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 10:53:05 GMT

James D. Levine (jdl@netcom.com) wrote:

: I'm in the market presently for a sound card and a tape backup unit.  
[stuff deleted]
: Tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems the main players are Sound Blaster and 
: Pro Audio.  Which narrows it down to about eight different models.  
: Sound Blaster has to be the most confusing product line I've seen in a 
: long, long time.  I've walked into my local electronics store a number of 
: times with the intention of purchasing a sound card, only to leave all 
: glassy-eyed and confused.  Help, please!

I am in a similar position myself in terms of shopping for a sound
card for Doom and Linux.

From what I have heard, the Advance Gravis (sp) Ultrasound (GUS) seems
quite popular.  Apparently it uses a new technology (compared to FM)
called "wave tables" for more realistic sound.  Can anybody comment
on using a GUS for these purposes.

-larry

-- 
R. Larry Arbanas                 |  Backups?  We doan *NEED* 
arbanas@bovaris.northville.mi.us |  no steenking baX%^~,VbKx NO CARRIER 

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Subject: Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***
Date: 13 Mar 1994 22:19:21 -0800

Wolfgang Schelongowski (ws@xivic.bo.open.de) wrote:
: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan) writes:

: >   If you have a question, just ask it!

: DON'T. comp.os.linux.* is flooded enough.

: >   (A great scientist was once asked if he had found the answer. "Answers
: > are relatively easy", said the Professor, "finding the right question,
: > that's the hard part.")

: That's why you [in my opinion] should sit back, think, RTFM etc., get 
local help ...    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  You left out "in my opinion", Wolfgang.

 BH
-- 
  Bill Hogan
{bhogan@crl.com}

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From: andreas@orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de (Andreas Helke)
Subject: Re: Upgradability?
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 11:48:21 GMT

RYAN HUNG (rhung@physics.ubc.ca) wrote:
: I'm waiting for the release 1.0 of the Linux kernel before I install
: Linux.  However, I've been wondering: considering the rapid rate of change
: in Linux, how easy is upgrading?  Say, for example, there were a kernel
: upgrade.  Do distributions usually provide upgrade packages that can run
: quick and easy?  Or is a lot of hacking necessary?

Upgrading is easy, just unpack a tar or cpio archive. But you never know
in advance whether you still have a working system after the upgrade. The
debian linux package is trying to solve this problem by providing a formalized
upgrading mechanism. But this release is still in beta development and there
can be unexpected big changes in it's layout during the beta phase.

Exchanging the kernel is in general trivial, except that in some cases you
have to upgrade gcc and the librarys first to compile the new kernel.

BTW the official Linux kernel version 1.0 is out since sunday. Does anyone
one know what has changed between pre-1 and 1 ?

Andreas
--

Andreas Helke

Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg
Im Neuenheimer Feld 230 
69122 Heidelberg

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