Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #824
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Date:     Thu, 17 Mar 94 07:13:07 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #824, Volume #1                Thu, 17 Mar 94 07:13:07 EST

Contents:
  Re: Version 1.0 (liuyu)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Bill Campbell)
  When is the next Slackware coming? (Tero Paananen)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Sarr J. Blumson)
  Synchronous X25 link & network level software (Peter Tam)
  Re: Backup Method -- shell script? (Koen Holtman)
  Effective rights in Linux/Unix (Michael Legg)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (marauder)
  Re: Floppy disk with 1.68MB, non-std. MS-DOS format. [Summary] (Peter Herweijer)
  Re: DOOM for X (Bret Orsburn)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (jbriscoe@delphi.com)
  Re: FAQ: Cut & Paste from vir (Ross Boswell)
  Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (Stephen Harris)
  Restricted Shell? (William Beckner)
  Re: Linux gets in print! (Dave Gardner)
  Re: Upgradability? (Dave Gardner)
  NOTIF-project (free Motif-clone) still alive ? (Eckehard Stolz)
  Strange Lilo behaviour (Srihanto A. Nugroho)
  STB-PCI video cards and Linux (Bartley C. Conrath)
  linux & thinkpad 750c (2.88 drive) (Derek Chan)

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From: liuyu@acf2.nyu.edu (liuyu)
Subject: Re: Version 1.0
Date: 16 Mar 1994 15:04:33 GMT

nathan@ftp.health.org (Nathan Bardsley) writes:

>In article <2m55uh$dr0@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, liuyu <liuyu@acf2.nyu.edu> wrote:
>>joslyn@benji.Colorado.EDU (Christopher Joslyn) writes:
>>
>>  I just dl v1.0.  But the question is how do I compile it?  I also
>>checked the slackware. It is still 0.99.  Do I have to wait until
>>slackware compiles them?  
>>BTW, I have a empty computer that needs a OS.

>Yes.  As everybody knows, all the documentation, FAQS, READMES, and all
>the work of the LDP are invalid as of 1.0.  From now on, only authorized
>developers will be able to compile programs for Linux.

>Come on people.  How can anyone who's unsure of what they're doing not
>leap at the chance to get a book called "Linux Installation and Getting
>Started"?

  If you read the post carefully, it said the computer is empty.  No
previous Linux was installed.  I was wondering if it could be compiled
under other envirnment (DOS) and install 1.0 from the start.  That's if
there is some important feature in 1.0 which someone politely told me
"no".  So I guess I just go ahead install 0.99 and compile 1.0 under
it.

>0.  Get and read the HOWTOs, and the LDP books.  

>1.  Untar & un gzip the file in /usr/src so that it makes /usr/src/linux and
>subdirectories.  (What?  you don't know how to untar or un gzip?  Then
>go away until you've read some manuals.)

  No need for cheap shots.  Maybe you need to go away and get some
manners.


>2.  Verify the links for asm and linux to /usr/include.

>3.  make mrproper

>4.  make config

>5.  make dep
> 
>6.  make clean

>7.  make zImage

>8.  reconfigure/rerun lilo to clean up the boot image maps.
>-- 
>Nathan Bardsley -- nathan@health.org

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From: bill@camco.celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 16 Mar 1994 17:28:23 -0800

In <Mario.Eduardo.13.000C52CA@vu-wien.ac.at> Mario.Eduardo@vu-wien.ac.at (Mario EDUARDO) writes:

:it is very simple to determine the quality of the SCO system :

:get some public domain software (gnu cpio, gnu tar, gnu sed, inn, sendmail, 
:various tcp daemons) and try to compile it. it was  a lot of work to compile 
:GCPIO on ODT 1.1.0, and because of the compatibility ODT 1 to ODT 2 to ODT 3
:it is lost time to try it on ODT 3. 

I've compiled all of the above (with the exception of sendmail
since I'm using smail3.1.28) on SCO ODT 3.0, and with the
exception of inn, on SCO Xenix.  Xenix is generally a bit more
trouble -- except that many people have done this and there are
generally xenix configurations available.

I can't say anything about ODT 1.1 since I didn't start using ODT
until ODT 2.0.  I recommend that people running Unix 3.2v<4 use
the xenix binaries from my ftp site (ftp.celestial.com) so that
they don't run into problems with long file names and symbolic
links.  Occassionally I hear of problems running ODT 3.0 stuff on
ODT 2.0, but these are usually cured by get the X11R5 supplements
from sosco/TLS.

Bill
-- 
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UUCP:   ...!thebes!camco!bill   8545 SE 68th Street
                   camco!bill   Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591
SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?

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From: p116711@cc.tut.fi (Tero Paananen)
Subject: When is the next Slackware coming?
Date: 16 Mar 94 14:09:55 GMT

I'm just about to install my Linux system again from the scratch and
I was wondering when is a Slackware package with Linux v1.0 kernel
and Xfree v2.1 going to be released?

Or should I just install Slackware 1.1.2 (or whatever is the latest)
and get the source/binaries of v1.0 and Xfree v2.1 and hope that
they won't break anything crucial?

                        -TPP

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From: sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 16 Mar 1994 15:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: sarr@citi.umich.edu

In article <2m5bd7$555@ftp.health.org>,
nathan@ftp.health.org (Nathan Bardsley) writes:
|> In article <d0bpl.763777041@dtek.chalmers.se>,
|> Patrik Larsson <d0bpl@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:
|> 
|> >   What are the pros and cons for SCO-unix in
|> general, and
|> >compared to AIX (and maybe Linux) in
|> particular?
|> 
|> SCO is a nice system if all you're going to do
|> is to run their
|> software.  If you want to compile your own
|> applications or develope
|> some inhouse networking apps, good luck.  The
|> SCO developement
|> package is, in a word, crippled.
|> -- 
|> Nathan Bardsley -- nathan@health.org

Two things about development on SCO:

1) It is System V, not BSD.  Some stuff off the net will need some hacking. 
Some stuff off the net needs soem hacking for Linux, too.  It's just that we
all get stuff from the Linux sites where somebody else has already done the
hacking.  If you're afraid to do the hacking you probably shouldn't have a
business that depends on either stuff off the net or on Linux.

2) The C compiler is Microsoft, not Gnu or any other descendant of UNIX
compilers.  It's DOS roots show soemtimes (eg, somebody's complaint about not
being able to havce a two line path name on a library) but never in a way
that I couldn't fudge around.  On the other hand, it's a big win if you're
doing cross development for DOS.

Everything you can say about SCO is, in my experience, worse on AIX.  My
experience is on RS/6000s, not PS/2s, though.
-- 
========
Sarr Blumson                         sarr@citi.umich.edu
voice: +1 313 764 0253               home: +1 313 665 9591
CITI, University of Michigan, 519 W William, Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943

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From: pct@lyra.STANFORD.EDU (Peter Tam)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Synchronous X25 link & network level software
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 02:29:53 GMT

Hi,
  Is there any sync card linux driver already available? I am looking for
  one with SCC chip!

  & Is there already link & network level x25 software ported to x25, for
  PrivateVirtualCircuits & SwitchedVirtualCircuits?

  THANKS FOR ANY HELP!

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From: koen@wsinis11.info.win.tue.nl (Koen Holtman)
Subject: Re: Backup Method -- shell script?
Date: 16 Mar 1994 14:30:24 +0100

zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown) writes:

>Does anyone know a simple shell script that will copy a directory tree
>verbatim onto multiple floppies, such that in order to restore it all I
>have to do is mount each floppy and do a cp (or some other simple)
>command? I know in DOS such a batch program would be terribly
>convoluted. Is it easier in linux?

Such a script would not be easier to write in linux. The main problems
with this approach are 1) what do you do with files that are too large
to fit on a floppy disk and 2) minimising the number of floppy disks
needed.

If you just want an easy backup prodecure, I recommend my tbackup
package.  It is not only easier to use, but also safer than the tar
nultivolume option.

Title        = Tbackup
Version      = 0.7
Desc1        = Tbackup (three backup) is a fault tolerant package for making
Desc2        = backups of a linux filesystem.  It is primarily designed to
Desc3        = make multi-megabyte backups to a set of floppy disks.
Desc4        = Tbackup can make compressed archives, and unlike tar+compress
Desc5        = it can still deal with them if they are partially damaged.
Author       = Koen Holtman
AuthorEmail  = koen@stack.urc.tue.nl
Site1        = ftp.win.tue.nl
Path1        = /pub/linux/tbackup
File1        = tbackup07.tgz
Required1    = gcc, mtools, fdformat, gawk, gzip, afio version 2.3.6.
CopyPolicy1  = Freely Redistributable
Keywords     = tbackup  backup  floppy disk  fault tolerant  afio

>Thanks to all for helping a poor DOSshocked newbie.   %^) lovitlovit

Koen.

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From: ez005403@othello.ucdavis.edu (Michael Legg)
Subject: Effective rights in Linux/Unix
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:17:34 GMT

        I was wondering if anyone could tell me some information on hove 
effective rights work in Linux/Unix. (a nice rfc would be nice, though I 
did not see one on the topic.) I am currently interested in creating a 
back door so that if anything ever happens to the root password I will 
have a way in. I know that there is a way to run a file and inherrit the 
rights associated with the file, but I can not seem to find exactly how 
to do it.  For instance I want to create a shell that is owned by root 
and lets any user become root when it is run because it gives them the 
effective uid of root.  Now that I can not figure this out I am 
interested in general how the effective rights work, and what real use 
they have other than allowing cheesy back doors |-).

-Thanks,
        Michael Legg


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From: marauder@lod.amaranth.com (marauder)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 08:56:43 GMT

Mark A. Davis (mark@taylor.wyvern.com) wrote:
: kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:

: >+--- Kevin Lentin:
: >| I always presumed linux would be pronounced similarly to Linus which
: >| I pronounce as desribed above. I'd love a definitive answer.

: >Linus -> /'li:nus/ or "Lee-noos" in English approximation (note that
: >         the 's' is not voiced, and the 'l' is "clear", like in "leaf")

: >Linux is then /'li:nuks/ or "Lee-nooks".

: >The vocal quality of "u" can vary in much the same way "u" does. Hope
: >this helps :-)

: Well, I have to agree with previous the previous poster pointing out how
: incredibly awkward that is for English speakers :)  I'm glad to know
: what the most "proper" way is to say it, but I think I will have to
: continue calling it  /'Lie-nucks/.  Besides, it matches the English 
: pronunciation of Linus and Unix combined...

: -- 
:   /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
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:   | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.wyvern.com   .uucp |
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Me too, at the risk of becoming a periah amongst the purist's I'm afraid
I'll stick with pronouncing it "lie-nucks" too, since that's how I
pronounced it prior to reading the "pronunciation-FAQ". It's too late to
amend my verbal ways..

mar


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Crossposted-To: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
From: pieterh@sci.kun.nl (Peter Herweijer)
Subject: Re: Floppy disk with 1.68MB, non-std. MS-DOS format. [Summary]
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 13:41:34 GMT

thm@aglaia.IN-Berlin.DE (Thorsten Meinecke) writes:

 >Each of the three dos packages comes with a TSR utility which chains into
 >INT 0x13 and extends bios functionality, therefore granting read/write
 >access to non-std disk formats.

It may be useful to note that some newer BIOSes have this functionality
built in and don't need such a TSR.  I'd say that people having a recent
(1993 or newer) BIOS should try if things work without TSR.

Peter Herweijer
pieterh@sci.kun.nl

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From: borsburn@mcs.kent.edu (Bret Orsburn)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: 16 Mar 1994 22:27:39 GMT

In article <2m0h7a$3ck@u.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) writes:
>
>(3)    The client/server distinctions are fictional; I have a lab
>       full of NCR X terminals (now an AT&T X terminals I guess)
>       that support developement and download of clients to run in
>       the terminal (server) address space.  Thinking about it a
>       minute should convince you that this is the only way to do a
>       window manager, and an enlightened programmer would probably
>       implement an RPC mechanism for widget drawing the same way
>       so that look-n-feel(tm) would rely on which window manager
>       got downloaded.
>

But if you think about it for two minutes instead of one, you might
conclude otherwise.

Whatever else it may be, a window manager is an application program.

An application program needs an application run-time environment, and
for an X application that environment is probably going to be UNIX.

So, to provide a general solution for local clients, your X Terminal
has to provide a UNIX application run-time environment (including all
of the application libraries your local clients might need).

That ratchets your system design a large notch closer to being a workstation.
(In fact, the only thing that distinguishes this design from a workstation
is the compromises you make to a "real" UNIX environment to save costs.
Those are the same compromises that all of those enlightened programmers
are going to come back and tell you about later.)

You may just have designed away the cost/performance advantage you had
by building an X terminal instead of a workstation.

And, just to make things interesting, you just designed an open system
instead of a closed system. I hope you're prepared to go into the programming
support business.

---

    Bret Orsburn
    borsburn@mcs.kent.edu

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From: jbriscoe@delphi.com
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 22:18:00 -0500

I say Linn-ux and you say Lie-nux.  Let's call the whole thing off.

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From: drb@chem.canterbury.ac.nz (Ross Boswell)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Cut & Paste from vir
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:58:42 GMT

Rick Emerson (rick.emerson@satalink.com) wrote:
:  @SUBJECT:FAQ: Cut & Paste from virtual terminal                      N
: I know the answer must be in a FAQ somewhere but darned if I can find
: it!  How do I cut and paste from a virtual (*not* X!!!) terminal?

The kernel must have had selection configured at compile time.
Then run selection from the /etc/rc.local
man selection should help you sort it out.

--
| Ross Boswell                    | Email : drb@chmeds.ac.nz          |
| Department of Pathology         | FAX   : +64 3 364 0525            |
| Christchurch School of Medicine | Phone : +64 3 364 0590            |
| NEW ZEALAND                     | Post  : PO Box 4345, Christchurch |

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From: sweh.womble@spuddy.UUCP (Stephen Harris)
Subject: Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 22:17:40 GMT

In article <2lp6qt$m5c@crl.crl.com> bhogan@crl.com writes:

>  If you have a question, just ask it!

No way!

>  (A great scientist was once asked if he had found the answer. "Answers
>are relatively easy", said the Professor, "finding the right question,
>that's the hard part.")

So the question now becomes "How to ask the correct question".  In the
context of col.* the best way of doing this is to read the FAQs, HOWTO's,
the "read this before posting", and so on.  Very probably your question
is either
  1) Already answered
  2) Not Linux specific

An attitude like yours is not condusive to people like me reading and
answering questions.  There are already moves to try and moderate in some
way shape or form these groups because of excess postings, and the best way
to deal with this (IMHO) is for people to better define their questions.

--
                            Stephen Harris
       sweh.womble@spuddy.uucp     ...!uknet!axion!spuddy!sweh.womble

*  Meow! Call Spuddy the Cat for Usenet access in the UK.  Call 0203 364436 *

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From: wbeckner@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us (William Beckner)
Subject: Restricted Shell?
Date: 16 Mar 1994 16:10:32 -0000

Does Linux have a restricted shell?  If so, what is it called?  The man
pages says that rsh is a remote shell.  I'm trying to set up a guest-like
account that can only run gopher, so any help in setting this user up would
be greatly appreciated.  TIA!

--
=============================================================================
William Beckner - System Manager/SysAdmin     wbeckner@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us

Resource Sharing Alliance of West Central Illinois, Inc.
East Peoria (USA)
=============================================================================

It worked!  Huh . . . must not be configured right.

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From: dgardner@netcom.com (Dave Gardner)
Subject: Re: Linux gets in print!
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:26:01 GMT

Ken Hoover (ken@ch201c.ed.psu.edu) wrote:
:   Nice surprise for us Linux users that we came not only ahead of 386BSD,
: but before OS/2.  However, he listed NextStep and UnixWare first...

Gotta please those advertisers!

-- 
==============================================================================
Dave Gardner          \ /    The views expressed in this message are entirely
dgardner@netcom.com   -*-    my own.  I speak for no one else, and no one
S. Pasadena, CA       / \    else speaks for me .... I think.
==============================================================================

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From: dgardner@netcom.com (Dave Gardner)
Subject: Re: Upgradability?
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:28:33 GMT

Anders Eriksson (anders@lulea.trab.se) wrote:

: I too have waited for the 1.0 release and now the question arise: How do I
: know when the distributions are updated with the new kernel?

Should be a change in distribution version numbers too, like Slackware 
1.1.3 or whatever they'll call it.

-- 
==============================================================================
Dave Gardner          \ /    The views expressed in this message are entirely
dgardner@netcom.com   -*-    my own.  I speak for no one else, and no one
S. Pasadena, CA       / \    else speaks for me .... I think.
==============================================================================

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From: stolz@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Eckehard Stolz)
Subject: NOTIF-project (free Motif-clone) still alive ?
Date: 16 Mar 1994 14:23:09 GMT


Hi !

I read a few month ago something about a free Motif-clone-project called Notif !
Does someone know if this project is still alive and if there is a mailinglist
somewhere ?

cu

Eckehard

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From: nugroho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Srihanto A. Nugroho)
Subject: Strange Lilo behaviour
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 06:28:18 GMT

Hi....
I am using Slackware 1.1.2 with kernel 1.0.
I tried to install lilo (version 0.14) in my harddrive, so I configure 
my lilo.conf as follows:

   DELAY=100
   BOOT = /dev/hda
   INSTALL=/boot/boot.b
   MAP=/boot/map
   LOADER=/boot/chain.b
   vga = normal    # force sane state
   ramdisk = 0     # paranoia setting
   other=/dev/hda1
     label= dos 
     table = /dev/hda
   image = /zImage
     root = /dev/hdb1 
     label = linux
     READ-ONLY

and then run lilo as "lilo -C /etc/lilo.conf".
It loaded without any error.
When I reboot the machine it gave me (some where in the middle of booting):

  init[1]:  unrecognized option "ro"

This unrecognized option "ro" disapeared when I use lilo version 0.12 in the
"old" directory "/etc/lilo".

Does it have to do with the new file structure ?
Anybody have any clue about this ?

Thanks,
-anto nugroho-

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From: bart@solaris.mitre.org (Bartley C. Conrath)
Subject: STB-PCI video cards and Linux
Date: 16 Mar 1994 18:44:21 GMT

Recently Gateway discontinued the ATI video card and
opted for the STB PCI card.  The other options, Diamond
Viper and Matrox, are not compatible with Linux/Xfree.

Does anybody know if this STB PCI bus card wiill work?
Otherwise, there is no way to run Linux/Xfree on any
new Gateway system.

Thanks,
Bart

P.S. Please reply via e-mail bart@mitre.org

--

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Subject: linux & thinkpad 750c (2.88 drive)
From: chan4@husc7.harvard.edu (Derek Chan)
Date: 17 Mar 1994 05:51:50 GMT

Hi!  Has anyone as of yet gotten linux working _successfully_ w/ the IBM ThinkPad 750C?  If so, could you please email me or post?  Specifically, the 2.88 drivedoesn't like linux...Anyone as of yet found a patch?  (programmers: nudge, nudge^_^)

Thanks

-- Derek

-- 
Derek V. Chan                 | Harvard University    | chan4@husc.harvard.edu
Biochemistry & Molecular Bio. | Senior - Class of '94 | ========================
====================== Yale WHO?  Don't they make locks? =======================
  "You wouldn't be here if you already knew everything. . ." - Organic Chem. TF

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