Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #827
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Linux-Misc Digest #827, Volume #1                Thu, 17 Mar 94 23:13:10 EST

Contents:
  Fragmentation (Carl Sampson)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Deron McAndrew)
  Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [ (Alasdair Grant)
  Re: name lookup with term? (Philip Brown)
  Re: S3 928 Developers Kit? (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  Re: Effective rights in Linux/Unix (Oliver Wurm)
  Re: MINICOM will not work with my modem 7N1 (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
  Re: [Q] Forcing lilo to wait for the kernel specification (R.W.F. van der &)
  linux on zeos pantera (what are my options)? (Rusty Wright)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (merlin)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (merlin)
  Need recommendations for vlb/eisa 486 (hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu)
  linux.au file at sunsite.unc.edu. Whoze dun it ? (Eric Masson)
  Re: Problems with Linux 1.0 (Mark Lord)
  Re: Mosaic 2.1 is way too cool ! ! ! (Patrick B. Kalaher)
  xmailtool creates sendmail-zombies! (Fabian Hoppe)
  NFS CLIENT!!! Shareware (William Saunders)
  Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
  Re: Adaptec 1542B BIOS upgrade? (Wolfgang Schelongowski)

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From: csampson@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Carl Sampson)
Subject: Fragmentation
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 05:57:06 GMT


Is there any way to defrag a linux drive?

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: dmmcandr@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Deron McAndrew)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 03:22:21 GMT

In article <CMrF4t.GEI@x.co.uk>, Roger Binns <rogerb@x.co.uk> wrote:
>: what is thrown at them, including some horrible spaghetti code.  While
>
>
>Errr, the linker can't use -L paths longer than about 64 characters.
>
>
>So there you go - MAXPATHLEN for the linker has the Msdos limit (even though
>it was SCO box that installed the library in the first place). 
>
>Roger
>--

I believe this is because the SCO compilers are descended from the Microsoft
C compilers which were developed under DOS.

DMM

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From: ag129@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:25:59

In article <1994Mar17.105709.11433@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>Netware is a closed design, and if you pay them money ($30,000 for server 
docs)>last time I investigated this you then can release binary only and 
must pay>royalties. 

Novell's DOS client is just a piece of 80x86 machine code in a certain 
format of executable file and making certain assumptions about interrupts 
and control blocks.  All Linux needs is a general mechanism for 
supporting this kind of code.  Why reverse-engineer or licence a program
you already have?

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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: name lookup with term?
Date: 17 Mar 1994 06:18:09 GMT



By the way.. some nice people pointed out the existance of "Mosaic+term".

one little problem. I don't have a linux system. I have a SPARC system.

Can someone tell me whre I could get source?

  **************************************************
Off the subject ramble:

1) It would be really nice if linux developers would get into the UNIX
mentality, and always distribute the source, instead of just binaries.

2) it would be nice to have a more general "routed for term" type of
thing, instead of hacking specific binaries like telnet, ftp, and mosaic
one by one.


-- 
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Philip Brown, CIS major, UC Santa Cruz
Author of "kdrill", and "xmandel"
Winging my way out of academia soon...
philb@cats.ucsc.edu philb@soda.berkeley.edu

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: S3 928 Developers Kit?
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:44:12 GMT

In article <cavenewtCMruur.2rp@netcom.com> cavenewt@netcom.com (James F Small Jr) writes:
>
>Could anyone tell me how I can get ahold of the S3 928 Developers Kit?
>
>I'm intersted in writing svga lib routines for linux
>(in addition to get 800x600 to work with my crappy monitor :-)
>56.3hz refresh rate bites
>

S3 Corp, Santa Clara , Ca. (408) 980-5400

Amancio




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From: owurm@k.mup.de (Oliver Wurm)
Subject: Re: Effective rights in Linux/Unix
Date: 16 Mar 1994 09:56:42 GMT

Michael Legg (ez005403@othello.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
:
: [ ... ]
:
: effective uid of root.  Now that I can not figure this out I am 
: interested in general how the effective rights work, and what real use 
: they have other than allowing cheesy back doors |-).

: -Thanks,
:       Michael Legg

Did you ever wonder, how 'normal' users are able to change their own
password in UNIX ?? The password is stored in a file, that users can't
write to, sometimes even can't read from.

There are so many things in UNIX, that can't be done without SUID or
SGID - bits, but making a copy of a shell with this bits set, is
**verry** unsecure !!

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From: a336dhal@cdf.toronto.edu (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
Subject: Re: MINICOM will not work with my modem 7N1
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 18:40:19 GMT

In article <1994Mar14.135055.2766@manitou.com> free@manitou.com (John Free) writes:
>dawkins@ems.rz-berlin.mpg.de (Kyle Dawkins) writes:
>
>>In article <1994Mar10.133918.7322@manitou.com> free@manitou.com (John Free) writes:
>>>dawkins@sound.rz-berlin.mpg.de (Kyle Dawkins) writes:
>>>
>>>>Hi there. I just got hold of MINICOM 1.6 and I like it.
>>>>The only problem I have is that I cannot get it to work with my
>>>>2400 baud GVC (hayes compatible) modem in 7N1 mode: I need to use

Same thing with I modem, until I switched the line to 7E1.  It works
perfectely now.


-- 
-a336dhal@cdf.toronto.edu
-bikram dhaliwal

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Subject: Re: [Q] Forcing lilo to wait for the kernel specification
From: plank@phys.uva.nl (R.W.F. van der &)
Date: 17 Mar 1994 15:39:50 GMT

In article <MMNUK.94Mar17112128@lion.risc.uni-linz.ac.at> mmnuk@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Michael MNUK) writes:
   I have an 486DX2-66 PC booting linux with lilo. From time to time I
   need to boot MSDOS getting lilo's attention by the space-key.  The
   problem is that there is too little time between the POST-finished
   beep of the system and starting lilo (~ 1 s). I can't press space too
   early (causing some error). I would like lilo to wait for about 3 sec,
   say, before loading the default kernel. I tried both delay and timeout
   parameters. Neither of them gives me the desired result. On the other
   hand I don't want to use the prompt parameter. Could someone help me?

   Thanks

   --
   --
   Michal Mnuk

Could you perhaps give more details, i.e. what values for delay you
have tried? I think that the value has to be fairly large (delay 1
does NOT mean delay 1 second:) )...

Roel van der Plank. plank@phys.uva.nl

P.S. I myself always wait until the led of the floppy-diskdrive turns
on: then I can safily press the SHIFT button...

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From: rusty@groan.Berkeley.EDU (Rusty Wright)
Subject: linux on zeos pantera (what are my options)?
Date: 15 Mar 94 19:01:38

I'm looking at getting a Zeos Pantera (Pentium) system and I'm not
sure what are the best options to get in order to best support Linux.

1) I can add an on-board Fast SCSI-2 chip (Adaptec 6360).  Does Linux
   support this type of SCSI?  Regardless of whether or not it does
   support that on-board chip (in other words, let's assume that
   eventually it will), what are the tradeoffs between using that
   on-board SCSI chip and a separate SCSI controller card with local
   cache?  Zeos also sells them (dunno if they work in the Pantera
   though), and the smallest one comes with 2 meg of cache.  Does
   local SCSI controller cache memory help on Linux?  By "tradeoffs"
   I'm primarily talking about speed.  This on-board SCSI chip is
   cheap; $49, versus a few hundred for a SCSI card.

   It seems to that this chip could at least be useful for slow
   devices like tape or scanners.

2) The Linux FAQ talks about how the system can suddenly turn to
   molasses when you add more memory because you need to also add more
   cache memory.  But it doesn't say at what point you need to add
   more cache memory.  For example, can you take the main memory size
   and just divide it by some number; for example 32 (16 meg / 32 ~
   512k)?

   Just out of curiousity, does Linux use scatter loading?

3) It sounds like the ATI graphics card is the one to get.  Likewise,
   for a sound card, the SoundBlaster looks like a safe bet.  Feel
   free to comment on better alternatives.

Thanks in advance.

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From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 17 Mar 1994 13:52:23 -0800

>Errr, the linker can't use -L paths longer than about 64 characters.

Is it really so hard to use a shorter (possibly self relative) path?  Frankly
pathnames a long as those in your example may be somewhat hard to maintain in
a complex tree structured multiple source code file project.  I have several
hundred lines of scientific imaging code spread over several hundred C source 
code files as part of an internal project -- and even more code in externally
developed packages (KHOROS 1.5, etc) -- we never encountered an include path
length limitation when compiling these packages.

>$ cc -c -Ddefa -Ddefb -Ddefc -Ddefe -Ddefg -Ddeff -Ddefg -Ddefh -Ddefi -Ddefj 
>-Ddefk -Ddefl -Ddefm -Ddefn -Ddefo -Ddefp -Ddefq -Ddefr -Ddefs -Ddeft -Ddefu
>-Ddefv -Ddefw -Ddefx -Ddefy  -Ddefz foo.c
>foo.c
>fatal error C1047: limit of -D# exceeded at 'defz'

The SCO Advanced Technology Kit Optimizing C Compiler (icc) doesn't have this
problem.  Moreover, we never encountered -D define limitation using cc, rcc, 
icc, or any other reasonable (gcc?) compiler on our SCO/ODT/OSE 3.0 system.

Why don't you provide real world examples from generally distributed packages
rather than picking at trivial limitations which don't create problems for any
reasonably well structured application ported across numerous systems?


-- 
AJ Annala, Principal Investigator, USC Neuroscience Image Analysis Network

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From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 17 Mar 1994 13:58:10 -0800

>1) It is System V, not BSD.  

Most of the code we encounter which contains flags for compilation on any
other AT&T system compile without problems on SCO.

>2) The C compiler is Microsoft, not Gnu or any other descendant of UNIX
>compilers.  

The cc compiler has roots from Microsoft DOS cc.  The rcc compiler comes
from AT&T pcc (portable c compiler) -- UNIX heritage.  The icc compiler
comes from Intel -- unknown roots -- perhaps UNIX ancestry.  
-- 
AJ Annala, Principal Investigator, USC Neuroscience Image Analysis Network

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From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu
Subject: Need recommendations for vlb/eisa 486
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 02:46:23 GMT

Hi,

I have an adpatec 1742 and actix ultra+ s3-928 vlb. I need to find out what
would be the best motherboard to buy for Linux/XFree. The adaptec is an
eisa card and the actix is a vlb card.

Thanks,

Helen


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From: ericm@excalibur.EE.McGill.CA (Eric Masson)
Subject: linux.au file at sunsite.unc.edu. Whoze dun it ?
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 05:42:38 GMT

After all the debate on the pronunciation of Linux someone seems to
have put a .au file for the pronunciation of linux in /pub/Linux/Incoming
at sunsite.unc.edu. Sounds ok to me but that's because it's the way
I've been saying it myself. Who actually put that file there ? Is this
the correct way ? Couldn't find a .lsm.

Thanks,

Eric

-- 
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  Eric Masson - ericm@finnegan.ee.mcgill.ca - FAX: 514 398 4470
=================================================================

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: Problems with Linux 1.0
Date: 16 Mar 1994 02:45:25 GMT

In article <2m5f5n$4ln@canoe.gandalf.ca> ptomblin@gandalf.ca writes:
>I installed the Linux 1.0 kernel on two machines.  Both are running stock SLS
>1.03 installations except for the kernel - until today they were both running
>pl14f.
>
>On the first one, I had no problems.  It was able to talk to the network
>fine, all my programs worked fine.  So I installed it on the second one.  The
>second one is a bit different because it's got two ethernet cards (eth0 and
>eth1).  The subnet mask is set up and everything, so that if everything
>works, eth0 talks to 134.22.80.0 (the corporate network) and everything else,
>while eth1 talks to 134.22.88.0 and 134.22.89.0 (the test network).

As a long shot, rebuild the kernel *without* any CD-ROM drivers configured.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: pkalaher@wam.umd.edu (Patrick B. Kalaher)
Subject: Re: Mosaic 2.1 is way too cool ! ! !
Date: 17 Mar 1994 04:46:54 GMT

Chris D. Johnston (chris@surfcty.surfcty.com) wrote:
: I saw erik's (ewk@sunsite.unc.edu) post on some new files
: that are at sunsite.  So, poking around where the Mosaic
: stuff is, I pulled down the Mosaic 2.1 binary.

: I do not know who got it to compile, but they made more
: headway that me.  In any case, it works quite well.
: I was very impressed with the Linux version.

: Now, I can Mosaic on my Macintosh and Linux box.  All
: I have left to do is to figure out the Windows version.

: Chris

Chris, there's an even better version available via anon ftp from;
foundation.mit.edu, and it doesn't have the hold the mouse button bug
in forms.
Its also an http--- http//foundation.mit.edu/  etc....

good luck 

-pbk


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From: fabian@vivian.wupper.de (Fabian Hoppe)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: xmailtool creates sendmail-zombies!
Date: 17 Mar 1994 16:46:30 GMT

Hi!

I'm using the Slackware-Linux patchlevel 15h (?) together with 
the distributed XFree-2.0. 

xmailtool has worked without any problem on my old Dell SVR4-Unix
together with XFree-2.0 and now I'm using the same (recompiled) source.
Now, the first mail goes out without any problem, but each further 
mail-sending creates a sendmail-zombie. Nevertheless, the mail is 
delivered and when I quit xmailtool all the zombies disappear.

Is there any known patch for smail(sendmail) or xmailtool?


-r-sr-xr-x   1 root     bin        226308 Feb 18 22:20 smail*

sum smail : 39459   222

Thanks in advance, Fabian


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58285 Gevelsberg                        EMail  : fabian@vivian.wupper.de
Germany

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From: bills@eskimo.com (William Saunders)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: NFS CLIENT!!! Shareware
Date: 17 Mar 94 14:54:29 GMT

Hello...
 Good news to all.  A public domain(shareware $20) NFS CLIENT has been
found :)!!!!!  Well now all you people with 2 machines can run DOS(DOOM
why
else) on one and still get your linux files from the other.  The file
can be
found at 
 polyslo.calpoly.edu in /pub/mdurkin/nfs
There are several files but you only need one depending on your tcp/ip 
connection I think.  The one I got was nfs022-w.zip.  This uses
pktdrivers I
think(It uses the same drivers that Xappeal used :) both the files and
the 
really cool stuff Xappeal can be found at wuarchives .../msdos/xwin). 
Ok how
do you set it up - easy.  First of all get the right pkdriver(thats an 
understatement), and get it configured with correct irq, port addr, etc.
 Ok
once thats done you'll need to set up a c:\etc\fstab file for the dos
machine.
Mine looks like
128.252.135.10:/ auth=none
now yours might be totally different.  I run this net at home so dont
worry
about security and can pick whatever ip's I want.  The ip# above is for
the 
server(linux box).  Now some files on the linux side need to be
modified.  The
file /etc/exports needs to have the line bellow
/ (insecure)
Actually it doesnt need it but I think this is the easiest.  THIS IS
VERY
DANGEROUS IF YOU ARE ON A PUBLIC NETWORK.  Ie anyone can mount your
entire set
of drives!!!  But for me this worked on the first try :) ok you must
have the
rpc.nfsd and rpc.mountd deamons running also possibly the rpc.pcnfsd
running.
These are normally run in /etc/rc.inet2 but since I cant do all the work
for 
you good luck.  
Mounting is easy with above setup.   At dos run pktdrvr then nfsdrvr
then 
mount -a.  Wow a new drive letter.
I havent used this but about ten minutes.  Remeber dos munges file names
but
thats configurable in nfsdrvr.  Windows file manager finally I can find
things
quickly(I know but you have to admit for all of its faults windows has a
nice
filemanager flame away :).  Well more testing have fun
....
Bill
bills@eskimo.com

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From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Subject: Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***
Date: 17 Mar 1994 21:46:18 +0100

In <2m1mg4$25e@draconia.hacktic.nl> ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes:

...

>At  the moment many  people who are totally  unknown to Unix/Linux and
>the net are switching over to Linux and are getting access by either a
>provider  like hacktic in the Netherlands  or because the company they
>work  for starts to  provide  it.  These people  usually  don't have a
>faintest  clue where to start  looking  for FAQ's,  Readme's or  

Then why don't they read the DAILY posting

Subject: *** READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***  ?

Or do they believe themselves to be an aristocracy beyond the "commons" 
who have to stand by to serve them ?


>or local help. 

Right. But there is NO replacement for having someone to call locally
and "take you by the hand" when you're really stuck. But that's impossible 
to do via news.

...
>I have  stated  it  before  in other   postings the  last weeks,  keep
>col.help the way it is, keep answering questions  from newbies and not
>so newbies, and keep  reminding them in an  easy, friendly and polite!
>manner of the existance of FAQ's, Readme's and HOWTO's. 

The moment there is an auto-moderated c.o.l.{help,misc,...} variant
this site will longer receive c.o.l.{help,misc,...} ...
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  ws@xivic.bo.open.de
"Hi, Bill. You sound a bit depressed to me."
"It's worse than that. I'm dead, Jim."
  -- Terry Pratchett, Johnny and the Dead

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From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542B BIOS upgrade?
Date: 17 Mar 1994 21:57:31 +0100

In <CMqMoo.53z@ra.nrl.navy.mil> eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:

...
>leave the BIOS alone.  The major feature that the 3.2 bios provides is the
>support for >1Gb.

For DOS, I believe. Doesn't Linux access more than 1 GB with the old 
BIOS ?
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  ws@xivic.bo.open.de
"Hi, Bill. You sound a bit depressed to me."
"It's worse than that. I'm dead, Jim."
  -- Terry Pratchett, Johnny and the Dead

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