Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #832
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Date:     Fri, 18 Mar 94 21:14:08 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #832, Volume #1                Fri, 18 Mar 94 21:14:08 EST

Contents:
  Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Real APL ? (Mark D. Reeve)
  Some small problems (Sinh V Ta)
  Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Dwayne Springfield)
  Happy with Linux V1.0 (Rick Emerson)
  Re: SoftPC/Linux? (John F. Haugh II)
  Re: Adaptec 1542B BIOS upgrade? (John F. Haugh II)
  Re: linux oracle (Kurt S. Manecke)
  name lookup with term? (Philip Brown)
  Graphical Editor. (Ken Kopilevich)
  Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Ed Babin)
  Re: Linux CD-ROM upgrade for half-price. (Paul Christenson [N3EOP])
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Anders Rolff)
  STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 17:23:10 GMT

In article <TIM.94Mar17093839@cdin-1.compu.com>, tim@cdin-1.compu.com (Tim Gallagher) says:
+---------------
| Look out folks, this is flame material.  You've been warned.

| and resell them.  After all, XENIX was originally a Microsoft/IBM product (I
| never really learned exactly which).  The product was essentially dumped to a
| fledgeling Microsoft affiliate known as the Santa Cruz Operation.  Their C
+------------->8

Microsoft only.  Xenix/86 was an acute embarrassment to IBM, which (according
to rumor, at least) tried to kill the idea of Unix on PCs with the almost
worthless PC/ix only to see Xenix/86 prove that Unix-like systems weren't
*really* unviable on PCs.

When Microsoft decided that they wanted to concentrate on their DOS/Windows
business, they chose one of their Xenix OEMs (SCO) to take over their entire
Xenix operation.  (This left the other OEMs out in the cold... being that I
was working for an Altos VAR at the time, I found out about that part in a
hurry.  The next Altos OS was a port of AT&T SVR3.1 instead of an OEM-modified
Xenix.)

| major release behind?  For instance, the current version of System V is
| Release 4.  How come we're *STILL* on version 3?  The answer is licensing.
+------------->8

SCO likes to make *very* snide remarks about SVR4.  The most recent one I'm
aware of was in response to the x86 Unix ABI proposal.  "Methinks he doth
protest too much"...

| It's cheaper to be a version behind the current operating system.  Then they
| charge you competitive prices with SVR4, without giving you the same
+------------->8

That one's partially AT&T's fault.  Their licensing (at least pre-Novell) was
distinctly screwball; if I understand it correctly, SCO had to pay for (most
of?) an SVR4 source-with-binary-resale-rights license even though they're
selling SVR3.2 binaries.

| If I had my druthers, I'd use AIX.  IBM has come full circle and cleaned up
+------------->8

I dunno about that... IBM may have learned about open systems, but the reports
I hear from the field about AIX suggest that it is even less Unix-compatible
than SCO is :-)  Of course, they may be waiting to fix it in the AIX
personality of Workplace OS, but I'll believe that when I see it.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca

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From: msreeve@netcom.com (Mark D. Reeve)
Subject: Re: Real APL ?
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 18:14:23 GMT

Doug DeJulio (ddj+@cs.cmu.edu) wrote:
: In article <DENG.94Mar14184326@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov>,
: Dong-Ping Deng <deng@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov> wrote:
: >Is there a good interface for APL?  It's a pain to use the present
: >impletantion in the linux release.

: I'd also like to know about it if there is.

: I note that someone released an 8x14 APL font for VGA consoles.  I'd
: like a *real* APL interpreter, that uses this font to display real APL
: on my console, not some unusable unreadable ASCII mock-up.

: -- 
: Doug DeJulio
: ddj+@cmu.edu

I'm very interested too.  Is there an APL currently supported under
Linux?  Has anyone used the IBM AIX/RS6000 version successfully with
Linux?

Mark Reeve
msreeve@netcom.com

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From: vsta@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Sinh V Ta)
Subject: Some small problems
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 18:23:27 GMT

                Hello everyone!
        
        After playing with the Xconfig file for about a week or so, I've got my
X-Windows running. I try quite a few configurations for each of the user. 
Everything works fine but I've encounted some small annoying problems & hope someone would help.

        1) For all X-Windows, when I exit it & return back to Linux, I get the                                                    screen with the whole bunch of verticle straight line !? 
        
        2) The Seyon run fine under wfvm, but in twm, I got the message 
        "cannot locate the modem"

        If you can answer, Please help
                
                Thanxalot
                
                SVT

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: dwaynes@netcom.com (Dwayne Springfield)
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 18:53:36 GMT

Tim Gallagher (tim@cdin-1.compu.com) wrote:
: Look out folks, this is flame material.  You've been warned.
: I love those folks who flock to the side of SCO any time their operating
: system is challenged.  I've been working with UNIX systems for years (SCO,
: AT&T SVR4, SunOS, AIX, and more).  I have never seen a company that takes
: outdated products that were given to them, and had the balls to turn around
: and resell them.  After all, XENIX was originally a Microsoft/IBM product (I
: never really learned exactly which).  The product was essentially dumped to a
: fledgeling Microsoft affiliate known as the Santa Cruz Operation.  Their C
: compiler comes from Microsoft, their propietary filesystem architecture comes
: from Acer, their X window system comes from IXI, etc.  In other words, THEY

[other stuff deleted]

I don't see why you called any of this stuff flame-bait.
You should not get flamed for telling the truth, the whole truth , and
nothing but the truth:)  Did you have to deal with their so called C2
security compliant Unix release 1.0?  It was a joke.

oh well.... I say "BRAVO!"  well stated.

l8r,
dwayne

--
+------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
| Dwayne Springfield           | Time flies like an arrow...               |
| dwaynes@netcom.com           | Fruit flies like a banana.                |
| dwayne.springfield@octel.com |            Groucho (Karlo's Brother) Marx |
+------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+

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Subject: Happy with Linux V1.0
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:17:00 -0640

I compiled from Linux-1.0.tar.gz and everything worked right out of
the box.  Come to think of it, I've been doing pretty well with late
pl14's and pl15i took care of installing my SB CD-ROM.  When I moved
up to pl15i, I had 35 days of uptime on pl14u when I did the reboot.
Thanks, Linus & Co, for a great job!  And to think this is only the
beginning!  Wow!

Rick
  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * War doesn't determine who's right, only who's left


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From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: SoftPC/Linux?
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 03:01:13 GMT

Another lying sack of shit from Ben Taylor:
>Another misrepresentation from jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II):
>>Have you ever tried selling commercial software in the Linux environment?
>>Even a hint of the word "commercial" or "proprietary" sets Linux users on
>>a wild rampage.
>
>No one stops you from producting commercial software products for Linux.  What the
>wild rampage was started was a software package that said "this is free
>software, but if you make money off it, you owe me.", or something to
>that effect.  Considering it was almost put into Linux, this caused
>considerable distress for those who want to keep "Linux" free.  In this instance,
>a case of adding a "pay" feature to a freely distributable version of
>Linux was unacceptable.  Even if the "pay" feature was only for people
>who were doing commerical distributions of Linux, usually on CDROM.

I'd certainly like to know the name of the person or company that tried
that stunt.  You sure as hell can't be talking about my software because
that is as gross a misrepresentation of what happened as can be.

For grins, and since you've really set out on this "misrepresent what
John's saying" kick, go read the copyright notice in the SysV INIT
package in Slackware.  When you're done, come back and tell me the
difference between my copyright statement and that one.  Then explain
why neither I nor they have ever received money for the software.

The flap over Shadow's copyright started several weeks before I had
anything to do with the CD-ROM folks.  What you are doing now is the
classic USENET act of letting no good deed go unpunished.
-- 
John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
 There are three documents that run my life: The King James Bible, the United
 States Constitution, and the UNIX System V Release 4 Programmer's Reference.

------------------------------

From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542B BIOS upgrade?
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 03:03:25 GMT

In article <2mag7r$11l@xivic.bo.open.de> ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski) writes:
>In <CMqMoo.53z@ra.nrl.navy.mil> eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>>leave the BIOS alone.  The major feature that the 3.2 bios provides is the
>>support for >1Gb.
>
>For DOS, I believe. Doesn't Linux access more than 1 GB with the old 
>BIOS ?

Linux should access the disk through the adapter hardware.  The problem
with old DOS BIOSes was that a parameter only allowed the specification
of 1024 cylinders.  Since Linux doesn't use the ROM BIOS, Linux doesn't
share this problem.
-- 
John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
 There are three documents that run my life: The King James Bible, the United
 States Constitution, and the UNIX System V Release 4 Programmer's Reference.

------------------------------

From: kurt@infinet.com (Kurt S. Manecke)
Subject: Re: linux oracle
Date: 17 Mar 1994 03:22:49 GMT

David MacRae (dmacrae@hocomms.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <1994Mar14.172643@dkbfpny.com> vlad@dkbfpny.com writes:

: >Recently there was a thread on Oracle for linux; i tried to contact
: >Joe Portman, who recommended joining IBCS2 channel to get ver 6 of
: >Oracle, but he did not respond. The problem is i do not quite
: >understand how to join this channel.
: >
: >I would appreciate any info on that.
: >
: >Thank you very much
: >
: >Vlad
: >
: >
: Do I take this to mean that there is a port of ORACLE for Linux ??.

: I'm currently having problems running CASEDES from my Linux based X
: to a Data General based unix system where all the ORACLE binaries
: are. Only the Matrix diagrammer works, all the other routines, most
: importantly the Entity Diagrammer don't work. Any clues would be
: greatly appreciated.

: TIA
: -- 
: Dave MacRae                      |The views expressed here are mine and mine
: John Menzies (UK) Ltd            |alone and do not reflect the views of my
: Edinburgh                        |employers in any way.
: Scotland                         |
: dmacrae@hocomms.demon.co.uk      |

The oracle case tools come with their own special fonts. They need
added to your X server's font path. Since I'm not at work right now,
I can't tell you where they are located, but try looking somewhere
under $ORACLE_HOME/cdes/fonts. Email me if you have problems, or
to send me a more detailed error message.

Kurt Manecke
kurt@infinet.com
Columbus, Ohio USA


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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Subject: name lookup with term?
Date: 17 Mar 1994 03:30:08 GMT



Hi.. I'd like to know if there exists, or is plans for, a "term" utility
that allows name lookup (and telnet/socket binding ) for hosts on the
other side of the link.

Here's a specific example I'd like to have: Mosaic.

I can run it on my school computer, and have the display be my home
computer. But it really sucks to wait for a 100K image to download to the
school computer, then be downloaded to my computer via X protocol. It
would be so much faster if I could run Mosaic from my home computer.

-- 
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Philip Brown, CIS major, UC Santa Cruz
Author of "kdrill", and "xmandel"
Winging my way out of academia soon...
philb@cats.ucsc.edu philb@soda.berkeley.edu

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From: kirill@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Kopilevich)
Subject: Graphical Editor.
Date: 18 Mar 1994 19:19:35 GMT


Hi, everybody.
Does anyone know if there exists a graphical editor for linux?
By that I mean something like edit in msdos 5.0-6.2
I have seen an editor like that on HP workstation, but could not
find a source code to port it on to PC.

Please reply by mail.  If I get a worthy reply I will post it.
Thank you,
Ken.

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From: ebabin@faatcrl.faa.gov (Ed Babin)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 18 Mar 1994 15:27:57 -0500

: release new ones.  When you call them for tech support, what you usually get
: is an "Oh-Why-are-you-bothering-me-don't-you-know-we're-Unix-Gods" attitude,
: and you have to go through a ceremonial ritual with one brain-dead dweeb after
: the next, requiring you to demonstrate that they know less about Unix than you
: do, until you finally get an "engineer" who's "senior" enough to know what the
: fuck you're talking about.  Then you'll get a "Yup, you're right, that's a

Gee, consider yourself lucky.  I can't even get past the receptionist because
I don't have a stinking service contract.  You would think they would like
to be informed of their bugs.  Why should I bother to buy anymore of their 
products if they don't support their current ones?

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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 10:06:44 EST
From: Paul Christenson [N3EOP] <PJC130@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Linux CD-ROM upgrade for half-price.

In article <1994Mar17.191757.19361@cs.cornell.edu>, roman@btr.btr.com (Roman
Yanovsky  roman@btr.com) says:
>
>Send us ANY OLD CDROM Software Title in ANY condition, and we'll mail
>the great Trans-Ameritech Linux Plus CDROM for ONLY $20.

Any?  Including "600 Megs of Useless Files Disk That Came Free With
My CD-ROM Drive"?

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
From: rolff@svea.eurokom.ie (Anders Rolff)
Date: 18 Mar 1994 19:12:56 GMT

In article <2m77i4$a8m@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson) writes:
   2) The C compiler is Microsoft, not Gnu or any other descendant of UNIX
   compilers.  It's DOS roots show soemtimes (eg, somebody's complaint about not
   being able to havce a two line path name on a library) but never in a way
   that I couldn't fudge around.  On the other hand, it's a big win if you're
   doing cross development for DOS.

Isn't pcc included in the standard System V distribution? Why not ship
pcc as well as Microsoft's cc? Pcc is probably worse, mind you.

Anders.

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Crossposted-To: news.groups,comp.os.linux.announce,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Subject: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Reply-To: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 18:09:35 GMT

[]
                          STRAW POLL RESULTS
                     Linux groups automonitoring

linux automonitoring straw poll results - 491 valid ballots

 Yes   No : Group
---- ---- : -------------------------------------------
 284  189 : comp.os.linux.misc
 315  165 : comp.os.linux.help
 333  146 : comp.os.linux.admin
 317  155 : comp.os.linux.development

This straw poll had more respondents than 95% of all newsgroup
votes... As this is a straw poll and I'm just the polltaker, I am not
even going to try to analyze what the results "mean."  I suspect we'll
see lots of that in news.groups over the next few weeks.  However, I
will note that by Guidelines result methods, both col.admin and
col.development automonitoring would "pass" if this had been an
official vote.  -- Ron


This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com.  For questions about the
proposal contact Ian Jackson <iwj@cam-orl.co.uk>.


PROPOSAL (Ian)

[ Ian indicated during the polling period that Subject keywords would
be acceptable for software that couldn't handle Keywords headers.
However, I haven't tampered any with the original polling text. -- Ron ]

 I propose to set up an auto-response daemon which will scan the
 newsgroups  comp.os.linux.misc, .help, .development and .admin.

 It will send email to the posters of any messages which either
  (a) do not include one of a set or recognised keywords in the
      Keywords line or
  (b) are crossposted between two or more of the groups listed above,
      without a Followup-To header being used to direct followups
      into no more than one of those groups (plus perhaps one or more
      groups outside the comp.os.linux hierarchy).

 The email will be a brief, friendly introduction to the newsgroup in
 question and the hierarchy in general - probably based on Matt Welsh's
 introduction to the comp.os.linux hierarchy and my daily postings in
 comp.os.linux.misc and .help.

 It will say where the FAQs are, why to read them, and where to get
 them.

 It will also say why the message has been sent to the user, and give a
 brief explanation of why Keywords are a good thing and/or why
 crossposting is a bad thing (as appropriate).

 I would determine the set of allowable keywords with assistance from
 the Linux community; I expect the set to change quite frequently, and
 there to be a dozen or two at most.

 The existence of my daemon would be documented in a regular posting to
 the groups (preferably as part of an existing regular posting).

 Note that this proposal will NOT prevent anyone from posting and does
 not involve marking the groups as moderated.                         
                                                                      
 I hope to be able to provide an email-to-news gateway that will be   
 allow users with retarded software to post with Keywords lines.      


 RATIONALE (Ian)

 During the recent discussion in news.groups regarding my original
 proposal to moderate col.* using a program, several people suggested
 that perhaps many of the "poor" posts do not come from first-time
 posters, and that therefore it would be sufficient to send email to
 posters whose postings did not have one of a set of approved keywords.

 Doing so would allow experienced users to start using killfiles to
 read only postings they believe they would find interesting, based on
 keywords, since any users posting without such keywords would be
 informed by the daemon that and why their posting might not get the
 attention they would wish for it.


Since the Ack List is huge and this is a Straw Poll, I'm just going to
post it to news.groups as a followup so it won't swap those of you who
follow the Linux groups via modem. -- Ron



-- 
This statement is in no way not to be not construed as not a disclaimer.


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