Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #834
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Linux-Misc Digest #834, Volume #1                Sat, 19 Mar 94 03:13:18 EST

Contents:
  Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (Brant Katkansky)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Karlheinz Hagen)
  Re: Restricted Shell? (Jason Haar)
  tty74: input overrun ???? (Claude Gelinas Agr.)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Donald Jeff Dionne)
  Re: Version 1.0 (Donald Jeff Dionne)
  Programmers sought to port the Logos plotting package to Linux (Tim Yao)
  Re: [1.0] Linux, Comments (Andries Brouwer)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Teng-Wen Chang)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Kai Henningsen)
  Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  Re: Driver for NEC T130B (Trantor) wanted (Kevin Lentin)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Dave Wagner)
  Re: Simple **LOCAL** vt100 printing [USEFULL] (Garrett D'Amore)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Kevin Lentin)
  Re: 360k floppies not supported? (Lloyd Miller)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: brantk@atlas.com (Brant Katkansky)
Subject: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 08:43:55 GMT

I have been running Linux (Slackware 1.1.1) on my 486 at home for several months,
and although most of my experiences have been positive, I felt that Linux was
lacking in some areas, so I decides to look at FreeBSD.

So, I ftp'd FreeBSD-1.0 (binary and source) off freebsd.cdrom.com and installed it.

I found it to be very easy to install, despite my limited UNIX experience.  I did
have to juggle a few of my Linux filesystems around to make room, but once
that was accomplished, I had few problems.

I am using a AHA-1542B controller, with existing partitions, so I had top specify
the disk geometry rather than using the defaults.  No problem, except that the
first time I installed, I couldn't create the /usr filesystem.  As it turns
out, I had entered the wrong cylinder count for my first drive (I had included
an extra cylinder).  So, I reinstalled.  Since I had the binary distribution
on a DOS filesystem, this was fast and painless.  Twenty minutes later I had
a working FreeBSD system happily co-existing with Linux and DOS.

My initial impressions of how FreeBSD compares to the Slackware 1.1.1 release
of Linux are as follows:

* Linux includes more frills, FreeBSD doesn't include any support for news,
or a decent mail reader.  Also some of the GNU utilities that I prefer (such
as less) aren't included.  This isn't a huge problem, just download the source
and compile it.

* I like the FreeBSD source distribution better.  Although the source for
all the Linux utilities are available, hunting them down can be a problem.

* Speaking of sources, I had trouble compiling some things under Linux, compiling
them under BSD seems to be simpler.  I'm no C guru, and I think that compiling
for a "standard" BSD UNIX is easier than Linux.  Just MHO, of course.

* FreeBSD has a more polished look and feel.  Linux definately looks and feels
like a beta product.  FreeBSD seems to have consistancy where Linux does not.

The only real problem I have right now with FreeBSD is it doesn't seem to
recognize my tape drive (Archive VP-150e with SC-402 controller).  I have
customized the kernel to match the configuration of the controller (IO 0x100h,
IRQ 9, DRQ 3).  The kernel initializes the drive on bootup, but reports
that the wt0 device is not found.  Hmmm.  It works under Linux, so I suspect
that I just haven't configured the kernel right in some way.  In contrast,
all of the other devices in my system (ethernet card, sound card, SCSI, etc.)
were easy to configure for, and are recognized by the kernel.

One other thing that I can't seem to figure out is if there is in-kernel
support for a Microsoft bus mouse.  Didn't see anything in the docs.

I'm going to work at getting my FreeBSD setup up to production level, adding
X, news, elm, and some custom stuff.  If I can get it working, I'll
probably stick with it.




-- 
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Atlas Telecom    |  electrons, which you cannot see unless you have been
Portland, OR     |  drinking."
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From: kalle@dg8lav.deceiver.sub.org (Karlheinz Hagen)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 13:09:28 GMT

Sarr J. Blumson (sarr@citi.umich.edu) wrote:
: Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hours"
: that the JANA folks promised?

Nope!

Kalle
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From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar)
Subject: Re: Restricted Shell?
Date: 18 Mar 1994 13:16:27 GMT

Alan Cox (iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr) wrote:
: You can almost certainly just put gopher in as the login shell instead.

Except for the huge security hole shown in comp.security.unix a couple of 
weeks ago...

Currently _no_one_ should run gopher as a login account until a patch is 
produced.

Please don't ask me to explain the hole ;-)

--

Cheers,

Jason

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From: claude@npkservices.qc.ca (Claude Gelinas Agr.)
Subject: tty74: input overrun ????
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 19:25:17 GMT

Hello , i just finish upgrading to linux pl15j and new gcc 2.5.8 and
libc.so.4.5.21 and lots of other utility and since that my console keep on
filling slowly with that message 

tty74: input overrun
and sometimes tty73: input overrun

what does that mean 

do i need to also change my wife ???? :-)
-- 

   Claude Gelinas Agr.                              Voice : 514 652 9764
   claude@npkservices.qc.ca                           Fax : 514 652 7731
   Montreal, Quebec, Canada                           Off.: 514 652 7548

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From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: 18 Mar 1994 18:14:14 GMT

Sarr J. Blumson (sarr@citi.umich.edu) wrote:
: Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hours"
: that the JANA folks promised?

No, nothing came back at all.

: -- 
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: Sarr Blumson                         sarr@citi.umich.edu
: voice: +1 313 764 0253               home: +1 313 665 9591
: CITI, University of Michigan, 519 W William, Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943

Jeff@EE.Ryerson.Ca

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From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Subject: Re: Version 1.0
Date: 18 Mar 1994 23:56:38 GMT

Nathan Bardsley (nathan@ftp.health.org) wrote:
: In article <2m55uh$dr0@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, liuyu <liuyu@acf2.nyu.edu> wrote:
: >joslyn@benji.Colorado.EDU (Christopher Joslyn) writes:
: >
: >  I just dl v1.0.  But the question is how do I compile it?  I also
: >checked the slackware. It is still 0.99.  Do I have to wait until
: >slackware compiles them?  
: >BTW, I have a empty computer that needs a OS.

: Yes.  As everybody knows, all the documentation, FAQS, READMES, and all
: the work of the LDP are invalid as of 1.0.  From now on, only authorized
: developers will be able to compile programs for Linux.

Get a life guy.  DON'T FLAME WITHOUT REASON.  

: Come on people.  How can anyone who's unsure of what they're doing not
: leap at the chance to get a book called "Linux Installation and Getting
: Started"?

: 0.  Get and read the HOWTOs, and the LDP books.  

: 1.  Untar & un gzip the file in /usr/src so that it makes /usr/src/linux and
: subdirectories.  (What?  you don't know how to untar or un gzip?  Then
: go away until you've read some manuals.)

: 2.  Verify the links for asm and linux to /usr/include.

: 3.  make mrproper

: 4.  make config

: 5.  make dep
:  
: 6.  make clean

: 7.  make zImage

: 8.  reconfigure/rerun lilo to clean up the boot image maps.
: -- 
: Nathan Bardsley -- nathan@health.org
Did you read the post you just flammed?  Or did you just go ahead and
decide to boot the guy in the head without reason.  He's NOT got Linux
on his machine yet.  Makes sense to wonder if waiting for a clean 1.0
install package to come out is a good idea, don't you think?  Or perhaps
you can compile the kernel by hand, without a machine?

Encourage people to get involved, not scare them off.

Jeff@EE.Ryerson.Ca

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From: tyao@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim Yao)
Subject: Programmers sought to port the Logos plotting package to Linux
Date: 18 Mar 1994 14:58:17 GMT


I am seeking help in porting the Logos graphics package to Linux. Logos,
developed primarily at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign,
is a graphics plotting package that uses CALCOMP-like commands to provide 
explicit control of plots and figures for output to X11, postscript (B&W and
color), HGML and Interleaf.  Using template script files written in Logos, 
it is possible to produce sharp graphics in an efficient and effective
manner.  Logos also includes many regression routines and the means to 
add user-defined regression routines.

Logos version 12 has been successfully ported to Apollo, HP, Sun and
IBM workstations.  It is written using both FORTRAN 77 and C, but uses a
rather clumsy set of several csh scripts to partially-automate the code
building procedure.  Having seen and used the readline interface with
Gnuplot, Fudgit and Octave, and having marvelled at the niceties of the
configure script and GNU info system, I was wondering if there were any
intrepid programmers with lots of time on their hands who might be
interested in adding another nice package to the Linux repertoire.

As I see it, the following tasks should be done:

0) Get Logos to run under Linux.

1) Reorganize the code and system dependencies so that the configure
   script can create the appropriate Makefiles.  

2) Write additional X11 code to allow user-manipulation of X resources
   such as the screen size.   

3) Integrate the readline library for command line editing.

4) Add support for other output formats, especially EPS (encapsulated
   postscript.

5) Change the current ascii helpfile system to the GNU info system.

If you have the commitment, ability and interest to undertake this task,
please contact Prof. Dodds at rdodds@cern.ce.uiuc.edu.

-- 
 Dr. Tim Yao, Visiting Researcher  .  Dipartimento di Meccanica Strutturale
 e-mail: tyao@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu     .  Dell' Universita di Pavia
         tyao@dipmec.unipv.it      .  Via Abbiategrasso, 211
 fax no: (39) +382/528.422         .  27100 Pavia, Italia

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From: aeb@cwi.nl (Andries Brouwer)
Subject: Re: [1.0] Linux, Comments
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 13:01:38 GMT

w6f192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Shawn Jeremye Smith) writes:

>The Xmodmap call I was using no longer works and has to be
>done manually??  Terminal setting in rxvts seem to be broken as backspace and
>delete chars no longer get interpreted properly.  I am recompling the kernel
>to try and fix this.  The rxvt problem seem to stem from the new libc -21.
>Recompiling seems to solve the problem, altho remote telnets no longer 
>set terminal types correctly. 

XFree86-2.1 tries to initialise the X key map from the current Linux keymap.
Often this will mean that your Xmodmap call no longer works.
For example, if you make your Backspace key produce 0177 (Delete) under Linux
then the X initialisation code already does the equivalent of
        xmodmap -e "keysym BackSpace = Delete"
and if you try to do this yourself as well, it will fail because there is
no keysym Backspace anymore.
So, it seems you need to adapt (or possibly just remove) your xmodmap calls.




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From: Teng-Wen Chang <tc38+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 19:53:22 -0500

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 17-Mar-94 Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3
Linux C.. by James F Small Jr@netcom. 
> From: cavenewt@netcom.com (James F Small Jr)
> Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 21:59:01 GMT
>  
> In article <2m9rnt$h6c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>
sarr@citi.umich.edu wr
> ites:
> >Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hours"
> >that the JANA folks promised?
> >-- 
> Nope, I sent them a message, and haven't received anything back from them.
>  
Me, either.


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Date: 18 Mar 1994 22:49:00 +0100
From: kai@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux

goer@quads.uchicago.edu wrote on 07.03.94 in <1994Mar7.150203.11288@midway.uchicago.edu>:

> of articulation.  Germans may perhaps perceive it as a difference of len-
> gth, because length is important in their language (e.g. Mann, man), but
> this is not what is really going on in English.

Oh boy. Would you care to explain to this poor German just what the  
difference in pronounciation is between "Mann" and "man"? :-)

Hint: not only is there no difference, I wouldn't expect there to be one  
even if I didn't know both words.

Maybe you thought of the first syllable in "Mahnung"?

> sound patterns.  All speakers of all languages do this.  For example, if a
> German borrows an English word containing an "dark" l (more like the Rus-
> sian l), he or she subconsciously replaces this dark l with a "light" l,
> unless of course he is being ridiculously precise.

"dark l"? Hmm. My English dictionaries don't seem to know what that would  
be.


Kai
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 00:57:09 GMT

In article <1994Mar18.084355.19503@atlas.com> brantk@atlas.com (Brant Katkansky) writes:

Related to mail and news , please consider exmh and tknews both
can be found at harbor.ecn.purdue.edu:/pub/tcl/code.
Also mh-6.8.3 and metamail. I use exmh and tknews at work all the
time.
Also, if you get a change there is safe-tcl so you can have some
fun with MIME and active-mail.

        Regards,
        Amancio

-- 
FREE unix, gcc, tcp/ip, X, open-look, interviews, tcl/tk, MIME, midi, sound
at  freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD
Amancio Hasty,  Consultant |
Home: (415) 495-3046       |  
e-mail hasty@netcom.com    |  ftp-site depository of all my work:    
ahasty@cisco.com           |  sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/X

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From: kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin)
Subject: Re: Driver for NEC T130B (Trantor) wanted
Date: 19 Mar 1994 05:37:25 GMT

On 18 Mar 94 02:40:30 GMT, grove10 on BIX wrote:
> I too need a driver for the T130b...  In the faq, it states
> that this driver is is '... being developed, but aren't publically
> available yett.'  I have searchrecompiled using NCR538380...
> aAAnyway, any light shed on this will be greatly appreciated!


As the SCSI-HOWTO says, to get your T130B to work with the ncr5380 drivers,
you have to add 8 to the port address of the card. eg if you card is at the
default 0x350, then your lilo prompt entry shuold be ncr5380=0x358,254,0

That will get it working without interupts. When I get a chance to extract
a clean patch, I will uplaod the patch that enables interupts. When I get
around to finding a few hours spare time, I will try finish the Pseudo-DMA
stuff for the T130B as well.

-- 
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[ Kevin Lentin                   |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\__/~\__/~\_| ]
[ kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au  |___/~\/~\_____/~\______/~\/~\__| ]
[ Macintrash: 'Just say NO!'     |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\____/~~\___| ]
[==================================================================]

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From: davew@cray.com (Dave Wagner)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: 18 Mar 94 15:56:48 CST

cavenewt@netcom.com (James F Small Jr) writes:

>In article <2m9rnt$h6c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> sarr@citi.umich.edu writes:
>>Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hours"
>>that the JANA folks promised?
>>-- 
>Nope, I sent them a message, and haven't received anything back from them.
>
Same here.

--
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davew@cray.com , uunet!cray!davew         "Ask me about PWC chapters near
(612) 683-5393                             you (Parents Without Camcorders)"

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From: garrett@netcom.com (Garrett D'Amore)
Subject: Re: Simple **LOCAL** vt100 printing [USEFULL]
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 07:17:50 GMT

Mike R. Prevost (mprevost@aslnx1.asb.uah.edu) wrote:

:> WHAT IT IS:
:> Here's a simple C program that lets you print file from unix to a printer
:> connected to a vt100 terminal.  I wrote and test this little thing just
:> a few minutes ago over a modem->terminal_server->linux link.  It will work
:> with NCSA telnet too.  Should work with _any_ vt100/102 terminal.  Umm,
:> I hope your printer doesn't start printing when you read this.  ;)

Mike,

Check out my package "vtprint-1.22.tar.gz" at netcom.com in
/pub/garrett.  My package is also a C program/pipe, but I do some nice
signal handling to avoid some possible fault conditions.  Also, I have a
man page and full docs.

Watch for my next addition, the "vtlocal" program, which will allow UNIX
and xterm users to take advantage of these escape sequences also.
(Also, take a look at the compatibility file -- I've noticed a lot of
terminal emulators don't handle some of these escapes correctly.  The 
Mac ones are especially notorious in this regard.

=================================================================
Garrett D'Amore                 |     garrett@netcom.com
Network Programmer/Analyst      |     Look for new affiliation
SDSU Computer Science Major     |     coming to this spot soon!
=================================================================

Ask me about Linux, the free 32-bit Unix-like OS for PCs!

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From: kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 18 Mar 1994 00:26:16 GMT

On Mon, 14 Mar 94 19:34:48 , Jeff Galbraith wrote:
> Howdy kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!

> I've always pronounced it Lie-knicks, for the very fact that it's close to
> Linus. However, I recently read that it should be pronounced like minix, with
> an L, since Linux is a Minix dirivitive. It was in some FAQ.

Except I thought the comment about minix was about how to pronounce the
'i'.  If it was to be pronounced completely like minix with an L, then why
not Linix? And surely the u in Linus isn't pronounced like the second i in
minix?

-- 
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[ Kevin Lentin                   |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\__/~\__/~\_| ]
[ kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au  |___/~\/~\_____/~\______/~\/~\__| ]
[ Macintrash: 'Just say NO!'     |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\____/~~\___| ]
[==================================================================]

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From: lloyd@lfmcal.cuc.ab.ca (Lloyd Miller)
Subject: Re: 360k floppies not supported?
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 15:37:47 GMT

Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) wrote:

> I've been unable to mount or to use mtools on /dev/fd1, an
> old 360k drive. Is there anything I'm overlooking?

I am also having trouble using an old 360/pc floppy drive with linux.
The boot sequence detects it properly but no data access ever seems to
be successful. The drive works perfectly with MS-DOS and MS-Windows of
course. I tried forcing it with setfdprm but it was no help.
-- 
 Lloyd Miller, Calgary                  This is not a disclaimer, any
 lloyd@lfmcal.cuc.ab.ca                 resemblance to a real disclaimer is
 Lloyd_Miller@f57.n17.z1.fidonet.org    purely coincidental.

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