Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #836
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Date:     Sat, 19 Mar 94 11:13:38 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #836, Volume #1                Sat, 19 Mar 94 11:13:38 EST

Contents:
  Linux/Angband 2.5 (Pete Berger)
  Re: x3270 source code? (Sebastian W. Bunka)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Rick Emerson)
  Re: FAQ: Cut & Paste from (Rick Emerson)
  Re: *** DON'T READ THIS B (Rick Emerson)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Rick Emerson)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (9)
  Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (chris ulrich)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Raul Deluth Miller)
  Re: Linux 1.0 comes out on same day Apple announces new machines (Warren Stevens)
  Which is the best package (Lawrence A. Taplin)
  Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (Jordan Hubbard)
  Re: Starting a Linux Bibliography (Phil Packer)

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From: peterb@foxholly.lm.com (Pete Berger)
Crossposted-To: rec.games.roguelike.angband
Subject: Linux/Angband 2.5
Date: 18 Mar 1994 10:28:33 -0500


I would like to correspond with anyone who has successfully compile 
Angband 2.5 or higher on a Linux system.  I have compiled 2.5.5 on my 
.99pl15f system, but it seg faults immediately in generate.c, line 1248.  
Any suggestions, anyone?

I would also like to see if anyone got PC angband 1.4 up and running 
under Linux.

Peter Berger
Telerama Public Access Internet


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From: seb@i102pc1.vu-wien.ac.at (Sebastian W. Bunka)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: x3270 source code?
Date: 18 Mar 1994 15:15:35 GMT
Reply-To: Sebastian.Bunka@vu-wien.ac.at

Juan A. Varela F. (U35334@uicvm.uic.edu) wrote:
: Can anybody point me on the direction of the x3270 source code?  I would really
: appreciate any help on this.  Thanks in advance.

: Juancho.
: U35334@UICVM.UIC.EDU
You should try an archie search - here (some of) the results I've got:


Host bode.ee.ualberta.ca

    Location: /pub/OS/Linux/Slackware_Source/xap
      DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x        512  Dec 15 03:33  x3270

Host nic.switch.ch

    Location: /software/sources/X
      DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x        512  Jul 24 1992  x3270

Host ftp.vse.cz

    Location: /386-unix/linux/distributions/Slackware_source/xap
      DIRECTORY drwxrwxr-x        512  Dec 14 05:52  x3270

Host ftp.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de

    Location: /pub/linux/mirror.slackware_source/xap
      DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x       1024  Jan 31 02:00  x3270

Host ftp.denet.dk

    Location: /mirror2/OS/Linux/slackware_source/xap
      DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x        512  Mar  6 04:04  x3270

Host sun.rediris.es

    Location: /software/sources/3270
      DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x        512  Jun 10 1993  x3270
    Location: /software/sources/X
      DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x        512  Jun 14 1993  x3270

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Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 94 09:14:00 -0640

 @SUBJECT:Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.       N
SA> Message-ID: <2m9rnt$h6c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>
SA> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
SA> From: sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
SA> Organization: CITI, University of Michigan
SA> 
SA> Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hours"
SA> that the JANA folks promised?
SA> -- 
SA> --------
SA> Sarr Blumson                         sarr@citi.umich.edu
SA> voice: +1 313 764 0253               home: +1 313 665 9591
SA> CITI, University of Michigan, 519 W William, Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943
SA> 

Regrettably, I'm still waiting.

Rick  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * Buffalo Bills' team food: the artichoke


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Subject: Re: FAQ: Cut & Paste from
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 94 09:14:00 -0640

 @SUBJECT:Re: FAQ: Cut & Paste from vir                               N
RE> DR> Message-ID: <CMrzLu.1Dp@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>
RE> DR> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
RE> DR> From: drb@chem.canterbury.ac.nz (Ross Boswell)
RE> DR> 
RE> DR> Rick Emerson (rick.emerson@satalink.com) wrote:
RE> DR> :  @SUBJECT:FAQ: Cut & Paste from virtual terminal                   
RE> DR> : I know the answer must be in a FAQ somewhere but darned if I can fi
RE> DR> : it!  How do I cut and paste from a virtual (*not* X!!!) terminal?
RE> DR> 
RE> DR> The kernel must have had selection configured at compile time.
RE> DR> Then run selection from the /etc/rc.local
RE> DR> man selection should help you sort it out.
RE> DR> 
RE> 
RE> Works like a charm!  Thanks!
RE> 

Er, I spoke a little too soon.  Although selection did work as billed,
after a while, things got weird.  First, clicking the left button
(Logitech mouse) didn't produce a cursor.  I also run X Windows and
did a left-ALT-f7 to return to X Windows.  After perhaps 10-15 minutes
the X Windows cursor refused to work correctly, accepting only spradic
"move left" and "move down" inputs until the cursor was in the lower
left corner.  Being unable to shift focus or access the menus, I did a
CTRL-ALT-f3 to the virtual terminal running the openwin script.
Hitting a CTRL-C killed everything (without issuing a three-finger
salute).  Killing selection cleared up the problem.  

So... what happened?

Rick
  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * That was then, this is now.

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Subject: Re: *** DON'T READ THIS B
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 94 09:14:00 -0640

 @SUBJECT:Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***                  N
MA> Message-ID: <1994Mar17.164526.3688@lod.amaranth.com>
MA> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
MA> From: marauder@lod.amaranth.com (marauder)
MA> Organization: LOD Communications, Inc.
MA> 
MA> Ian Jackson (iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
MA> : In article <2lp6qt$m5c@crl.crl.com>, Bill Hogan <bhogan@crl.com> wrote:
MA> : >  If you have a question, just ask it!
MA> [rant omitted]
MA> 
MA> : I fail to see the relevance of this paragraph.
MA> 
MA> : -- 
MA> : Ian Jackson, at home  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu> or <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk>
MA> : PGP2 public key available on server.  Urgent email: <iwj10@phx.cam.ac.u
MA> : 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238
MA> 
MA> Ya know Ian, 
MA> 
MA> I know you feel you are doing the best thing by chastising people for ask
MA> questions that can be found in the faq's. However some of the faqs are
MA> fairly hard to understand, and sometimes they even leave one more confuse
MA> than when they started. I agree there are a *LOT* of questions posted tha
MA> can indeed be found in the faq's, However you claiming that it is rude to
MA> ask a question that can be found in a FAQ is way off base. I take no offe
MA> whatsoever at it, in fact I think asking questions and information
MA> interchange is what the whole internet and usenet is all about. If it har
MA> you in some way to answer a question that you know can be found in a FAQ 
MA> HOWTO, then DONT ANSWER IT, Skip on to the next. Do you not preview the p
MA> topics?, or are you somehow forced to read every single post on a newsgro
MA> and this is why you feel it is rude? People are people, and they are goin
MA> to contine to ask any question they see fit to ask and there is nothing y
MA> can do about it..period. You can of course Moderate the linux newsgroups,
MA> and some very clever person who knows every detail of every FAQ can sit
MA> there and filter out any question that can be answered by a FAQ. This
MA> perhaps would be your idea of the perfect Linux newsgroup base?. This way
MA> YOU would not be forced to look at another single question that YOU know 
MA> answer to, and YOU know is in a FAQ. The people who are going to continue
MA> ask questions that can be found in the FAQ's will simply create their own
MA> new newsgroups and ask their questions there. You will of course subscrib
MA> to these new newsgroups and again, begin chastising people for asking
MA> questions that can be found in the FAQ's because you will find the traffi
MA> on your own perfect newsgroups has become rather boring. I think you simp
MA> need to relax.
MA> 
MA> td
MA> 

Amen!!!  Frankly, I fail to see how Ian comes to be annointed The
Fount Of All Truth And Keeper Of How It Should Be Done.  Of all the
groups I read, the Linux groups are the only ones blessed with such a
busybody.  It's almost a welcome relief to hear about Dave and his
re-possessed car in 1988 in lieu of this obsessive behavior.

Rick
  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * War doesn't determine who's right, only who's left



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Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 94 09:14:00 -0640

 @SUBJECT:Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.       N
3J> Message-ID: <94076.2017053JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
3J> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
3J> From: <3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
3J> Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
3J> 
3J> Re : Response in 24 Hrs.
3J> 
3J> I knew some one is going to post this but, I talked to christina and
3J> she got over 1000 E-Mails in 24 Hrs. So you have to wait few more
3J> 24 Hrs. :^)
3J> 
3J> 
3J> Jay
3J> 

BZZZT!  If this is how JANA thinks they're going to improve things,
they have flunked big time.  How hard is it to write a perl script
that collects messages, ranks them by time received, mails a "you're
message #xxx, details follow" message, and when the count hits 500,
sends "so sorry, you're not in the magic 500, you're #xxx".  A little
forethought and planning is not too much to expect.

Rick  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * Friends don't let friends use Windows.


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From: paul@myrddin.isl.cf.ac.uk (9)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 23:31:30 +0000

In article <1994Mar15.085643.830@lod.amaranth.com> marauder@lod.amaranth.com (marauder) writes:
>: Well, I have to agree with previous the previous poster pointing out how
>: incredibly awkward that is for English speakers :)  I'm glad to know
>: what the most "proper" way is to say it, but I think I will have to
>: continue calling it  /'Lie-nucks/.  Besides, it matches the English 
>: pronunciation of Linus and Unix combined...
>

I keep coming across English speakers who say Lie-nucks and I totally fail
to see why they think that is the correct pronunciation.

In English the vowel sounds are governed (as much as can be possible in a
totally irregular language) by the use of 'e' at the end of words.

For example:

pane, bane, sane has the 'a' sound that you would use when reciting the
alphabet, as opposed to pan, ban and sand.

Likewise for 'i'. pine, dine, dime as opposed to pin,din,dim etc.

So, the lin in linux should be pronounced as in lint and not as in
line. I really don't see anything awkward about this for English
speakers.  Now, american might be different :-)




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From: insom@galaxy.ucr.edu (chris ulrich)
Subject: Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***
Date: 18 Mar 1994 13:45:00 -0800

In article <2mafiq$10i@xivic.bo.open.de>,
Wolfgang Schelongowski <ws@xivic.bo.open.de> wrote:
:In <2m1mg4$25e@draconia.hacktic.nl> ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes:
:
:...
:
:>At  the moment many  people who are totally  unknown to Unix/Linux and
:>the net are switching over to Linux and are getting access by either a
:>provider  like hacktic in the Netherlands  or because the company they
:>work  for starts to  provide  it.  These people  usually  don't have a
:>faintest  clue where to start  looking  for FAQ's,  Readme's or  
:
:Then why don't they read the DAILY posting
:
:Subject: *** READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***  ?
:
:Or do they believe themselves to be an aristocracy beyond the "commons" 
:who have to stand by to serve them ?
:
:
:>or local help. 
:
:Right. But there is NO replacement for having someone to call locally
:and "take you by the hand" when you're really stuck. But that's impossible 
:to do via news.
:

I will speak as both a new linux user and as an experienced usenet
lurker.

It is quite easy to know ones way around unix if all one has to do is
use a unix box someone else set up, especially if all one is intersted
in doing is writting simple user level programs, reading news and 
using e-mail.

It is something else entirely to try to set up and administer a unix box.

I have found that users of any given system as 3 questions.  The first
is stupid and really simple (like how to run microsoft word on a mac,
or compile a kernel)  The second is slightly more complex, as the
user discovers how to do things that are complex enough to get them into
trouble (like how to undo a select all, spacebar on word, or how to 
log into a system after changing the ownership of login to bin:root or
chmod 755ing login or fix a system after deleting the link to the
libraries...)  The last question is usually somewhat complex and I will 
leave that as an exercise to the reader.  Each question represents
a better understanding of the complex, self referential universe of a
computer system.  Users either figure out how to solve their own problems
or give up.

I think the older linux users are discovering what other software houses
have known for years, that 80% or more of the cost of doing software is
in user support.  

May I suggest (respectfully) that those of you who dont like this
should move to alternative information distribution systems such
as mailing lists or UUCP networks where you only exchange information
with a select few sites, because the old users of the internet have 
lost it as a private resource.  The people who regard computers as 
appliances happen to have all the money, and are going to make this
a progressivly less interesting place to stay.
chris
insom@ac.ucr.edu                                Ecstatic peace
insom@ucrvms                                    Savage conquest

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From: rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 19 Mar 1994 10:05:01 -0500

Tom Fitzgerald:
.  If you don't already know everything you need to know about Linux,
.  then you probably shouldn't be using it.

That sounds like a cop out.  It's ok that you don't know much about
Linux.  But, it's silly to recommend others don't use it on that
basis.

Raul D. Miller
<rockwell@nova.umd.edu>

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From: wgsteven@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Stevens)
Subject: Re: Linux 1.0 comes out on same day Apple announces new machines
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:26:45 GMT

In article <CMt76r.Ivw@cee.hw.ac.uk>,
Jonathan A Buzzard <phyjab1@phyd2c1.caledonia.hw.ac.uk> wrote:
>>Maybe we should all chip in and buy Linus a PowerMac...
>
>OK. where do I send my money!

Well,  I'd love to see Linux on a PowerMac, but just one thing: does
Linus *want* to do a port?

Warren

-- 
Warren Stevens <wgstevens@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
PGP public key availible via finger.  Use it.

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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 05:30:39 +0100
Subject: Which is the best package
From: taplin@chopin.udel.edu  (Lawrence A. Taplin)
Reply-To: taplin@chopin.udel.edu


I've tried installing from slackware and one other version, slackware
but I didn't get xwindows working. I deleted linux and plan on trying
to install it again.  Which version is the easyest to install?

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From: jkh@morse.ilo.dec.com (Jordan Hubbard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Date: 18 Mar 1994 15:25:29 GMT

   * Linux includes more frills, FreeBSD doesn't include any support for news,
   or a decent mail reader.  Also some of the GNU utilities that I prefer (such
   as less) aren't included.  This isn't a huge problem, just download the
   source and compile it.

While you're correct that SlackWare does contain more interesting
goodies "out of the box" (I have a copy myself!), we do try to provide
such things in the form of "ports", which you can get in the ports
collection on freefall.cdrom.com (~ftp/pub/FreeBSD/ports).  We also
provide binary releases of things in "package" format
(~ftp/pub/FreeBSD/packages).  For 1.1, this has also be substantially
enhanced and organized, and you can get a good preview of this by
looking in ~ftp/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports (you can also grab
all or some of it by asking for `<dir>.tar.Z' and the ftpd will
automatically tar, compress and send it to you as one file).

   The only real problem I have right now with FreeBSD is it doesn't seem to
   recognize my tape drive (Archive VP-150e with SC-402 controller).  I have
   customized the kernel to match the configuration of the controller (IO 0x100h,

I don't actually think we support this controller.. :-( If you can
give more detail on the SC-402, it's possible that someone can hack a
driver up by looking at the Linux sources.  One advantage to Linux is
that they _are_ faster than writing drivers for less main-stream
devices than we are; they have the numbers! :-(

   One other thing that I can't seem to figure out is if there is in-kernel
   support for a Microsoft bus mouse.  Didn't see anything in the docs.

There is support - take a look at the mse entry in the /sys/i386/conf/LINT
file.

   I'm going to work at getting my FreeBSD setup up to production level, adding
   X, news, elm, and some custom stuff.  If I can get it working, I'll
   probably stick with it.

All of those are already ported and available in the ports collection
(some in ready-to-run package form).

                                        Jordan

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development
From: pep@wicked.demon.co.uk (Phil Packer)
Subject: Re: Starting a Linux Bibliography
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 13:40:23 +0000

In article <2mbfit$15l@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (James H. Haynes) writes:
> 
> I'm starting a bibliography of publications likely to be helpful in the
> Linux community.  Please send me information about things you think should
> be included.  The following is what I have for a starter.  When there's more
> I will probably turn it into a HOWTO file and post it periodically.
> Please include your comments on the items so it become an annotated
> bibliography.
> 
> 
> I. Hardware
> 
>    Upgrading and Repairing PCs; Mueller, Scott; Que Corp.; ISBN 0-88022-856-3;
>    1298pp; 2nd ed. 1992; $34.95 (USA).  This is a book I bought when I was
>    struggling with an AT-clone.  It is best on XTs and ATs and IBM PS/2s. 
>    Still, there is a wealth of information common to all models.  EISA and
>    VESA are mentioned only in the glossary.
> 
>    80386 Hardware Reference Manual; Intel Corp.; ISBN 1-55512-024-5; ?pp.;
>    1986; $?.  Pin connections, timing, waveforms, block diagrams, voltages,
>    all that kind of stuff.
> 
> 
> II. Processor architecture and programming
> 
>     80386 Programmer's Reference Manual; Intel Corp.; ISBN 1-55512-022-9;
>     ?pp.; 1986; $?.  Part I. Applications Programming, data types, memory
>     model, instruction set.  Part II. Systems Programming, architecture,
>     memory management, protection, multitasking, I/O, exceptions and
>     interrupts, initialization, coprocessing and multiprocessing. Part III.
>     Compatibility (with earlier x86 machines).  Part IV. Instruction Set.
> 
>     80386 System Software Writer's Guide; Intel Corp.; ISBN 1-55512-023-7;
>     ?pp.; 1987; $?.  This explains the 386 features for operating system
>     writers.  It includes a chapter on Unix implementation.  A lot of the
>     80386 architecture seems to have been designed with Multics in mind;
>     the features are not used by DOS or by Unix.
> 
>     Programming the 80386; Crawford, John H., and Gelsinger, Patrick P.;
>     Sybex; ISBN 0-89588-381-3; 774pp.; $26.95 (USA).  This is the book the
>     Jolitzes used when they ported BSD to the 386 architecture.
> 
>     Pentium Processor User's Manual: Volume 3, Architecture and Programming
>     Manual; Intel Corp.; ISBN 1-55512-195-0; ?pp.; 1993; $?.  Pretty much
>     the Pentium version of the 80386 Programmer's manual listed above.
> 
> 
> III. Unix Kernel Implementation
> 
>      The Design of the Unix Operating System; Bach, Maurice J.; Prentice-
>      Hall; ISBN 0-13-201799-7; 470pp.; $60 (USA).  The book that got Linus
>      started.
> 
>      The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD Unix Operating System;
>      Leffler, Samuel J., McKusick, Marshall Kirk, Karels, Michael J., and
>      Quarterman, John S.; Addison-Wesley; ISBN 0-201-06196-1; 471 pp.;
>      1989, 1990; $44.95 (USA).  So, it's not about Linux, but can you
>      afford to ignore it?
> 
>      Kernel Hacker's Guide; Linux Documentation Project; FTP sites;
>      1994.
> 
> IV. System Calls
> 
>     The Posix.1 Standard: A Programmer's Guide; Zlotnick, Fred; Benjamin/
>     Cummings; ISBN 0-8053-9605-5; 379pp.; 1991; $35.95 (USA).  When I
>     complained about the lack of Section 2 man pages in Linux, somebody
>     told me just to get a POSIX book, because that's what Linux does.
>     I like this book because I'm not a professional programmer and the
>     author gives copious explanations and examples.  
> 
> 
> V. Networking
> 
>    Unix Network Programming; Stevens. W. Richard; PTR Prentice Hall;
>    ISBN 0-13-949876-1; 772 pp.; $54 (USA).  Everything you might want to
>    know about the subject, and some things you probably don't want to
>    know (really, XNS!?).
> 
>    Networking Guide; Linux Documentation Project; FTP sites; 1993.

     Internetworking With TCP/IP: Volume 1, 2nd edition; Principles, 
     Protocols, and Architecture; Comer. E. Douglas; Prentice Hall; 
     ISBN 0-13-474321-0;  23.95 UKP
     One of those books that I am constantly referring to.

>
> 
> VI. General (or hard-to-classify)
> 
>    Bell System Technical Journal, July-August 1978, Vol. 57, No. 6, part 2;
>    AT&T; 416 pp.  Many papers on Unix, including Ritchie & Thompson,
>    "The UNIX Time Sharing System"; Thompson, "UNIX Implementation";
>    Ritchie, "A Retrospective"; Bourne, "The UNIX Shell"...
> 
> VII. System Installation
> 
>      Linux Installation and Getting Started; Linux Documentation Project;
>      FTP sites; 175 pp.; 1994.
> 
> VIII. System Administration
> 
>      Linux System Administrator's Guide; Linux Documentation Project;
>      FTP sites; 1993.
> -- 
> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
> haynes@cats.bitnet
> 
> "Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
> "No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
>         Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
> 

Cheers, 

Phil

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