Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #837
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Date:     Sat, 19 Mar 94 15:13:11 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #837, Volume #1                Sat, 19 Mar 94 15:13:11 EST

Contents:
  Re: Debian release date? (Ian Murdock)
  [Newbie]Pthread, LWP (Jianfang Li)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Wine status March 11, 1994 (Bob Amstadt)
  ROUTING: Problem with speed for satelite sites (Bryce D. Farmilo)
  Re: Effective rights in Linux/Unix (Timo Korvola)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Lars Wirzenius)
  Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (Douglas Pratt)
  Re: "Reverse-engineering" (Kai Henningsen)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Hal N. Brooks)
  Re: HEELLPPP!!!  Hard drive catastrophe :( (Archmage of Kylastra)
  GSI Model 32 DB-9 problems? (Brian Mork)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Kevin Lentin)
  Re: Can I use a non SCSI tape backup with Linux? (Joonwoo Nam)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Perry Rovers)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Doug DeJulio)
  Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (Tommy Marcus McGuire)

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From: imurdock@sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ian Murdock)
Subject: Re: Debian release date?
Date: 19 Mar 94 10:55:42

In article <2mcoef$n51@cnn.sim.ES.COM> bglines@iti.org (Brent Glines) writes:

   From: bglines@iti.org (Brent Glines)
   Date: 18 Mar 1994 17:29:51 GMT

   In the Mar 94 Issue of the Linux Journal, there was an article on the
   Debian Distribution which indicated the official release would take place
   the beginning of March, 1994.  I'm sure this has been delayed in order
   to include both version 1.0 of the kernel and XFree 2.1, plus probably
   a lot of other stuff as well.  Can anyone say when they think the 
   official release will take place?

The release was essentially waiting for Linux 1.0.  (I can just hear
the BETA testers thinking, ``yeah, right!''  I'm full of excuses. :)

The next release of Debian (version 0.92) will almost certainly be
announced to c.o.l.a., so I suppose that you could call it an
``official'' release.  Then again, Debian has been FTPable to the
general public since the end of January; would that constitute an
``official'' release?  Probably not.  But the version of Debian that
will be announced is still BETA... ah, never mind. :)

Ian
--
Ian Murdock <imurdock@gnu.ai.mit.edu>

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From: jli@mtu.edu (Jianfang Li)
Subject: [Newbie]Pthread, LWP
Date: 17 Mar 1994 19:07:22 -0500


I plan to use pthread/ light weight process to simulate a parallel 
multi-processor system, but not quite sure that I am in the right track. 

What is LWP ? What kind of application is it most suitable for? 
Is it fine to use it to simulation a shared-nothing multi-processor system, 
such as a group of workstations connected by the network , or the n-Cube?
How well linux handles pthread?

Any input will be very welcome. If possible, please reply by email, I will
put a summary on the net.  


--
Jianfang Li
CS dept. MTU
jli@cs.mtu.edu

--
Jianfang Li
CS dept. MTU

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:48:35 GMT

In article <94077.2048593JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, <3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> says:
+---------------
| 2). Not all mail systems work under Unix <-------
+------------->8

Ah, the gates@microsoft.com phenomenon.  I suppose you could ask *him* for
ideas...  :-) :-)

| We are geting few temps on monday to get the dataentry done.
| PS : You have not even paid any thing yet so why are you worried :^).
+------------->8

You probably shouldn't have advertized response within 24 hours without
gearing up in advance to handle it; the result looks rather unprofessional.
(My opinion, but as an observer with nothing at stake.)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: bob@amscons.amscons.com (Bob Amstadt)
Subject: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:47:03 GMT

Status Report - March 11, 1994

Sorry about the late posting, but for some reason when I posted to the
moderated Linux and BSD announce groups.  My postings never appeared.

Various bug fixes now allow several applications to begin to run.  Some
key features still remain unimplemented limiting the numbers and types
of applications able to run.  A shareware Taipei game is now playable
under Wine.  A security system application (sold by one of my clients)
now functions under Wine.

Work continues on Wine as a Library.  The first milestone of being able
succesfully compile and run a very basic Windows program was reached
last week.  This sub-project will be capable of running on any
Unix or Unix-clone with X including systems without Intel processors.

Wine is supported by Linux, NetBSD and FreeBSD.  Hopefully we
will attract the interest of some of the commercial Unix and Unix-clone
vendors.

We have received some new donations of money and equipment.  
We still could use more though.  Our current plans are to use 
monetary donations to buy programming time from student 
programmers.  I would estimate that 75% of Wine was written by
only three people!  We need help.

-Bob Amstadt
bob@amscons.com

***************************************************************
HOW CAN YOU HELP?

        If you are interested in contributing to this project,
join the wine-users mailing list.  You can join by sending the message:

subscribe wine-users YOUR REAL NAME

for example:

subscribe wine-users John Doe

to wine-request@amscons.com.  To send mail to everyone on the list,
send mail to wine-users@amscons.com.  New releases are approximately
every Tuesday.  All releases are announced to the mailing list.

Some brief information files are also available from the mail server.
Send the command "index wine" to receive a list of files.  The command "help"
can be used to receive useful instructions for the mail server.

Also, I will do my best to answer questions mailed to me.
However, we really need people who can dedicate 10 or more hours
per week.  This project requires people who can learn on there own.  
My address is "bob@amscons.com".  

        If you don't have time to donate, how about money or equipment?
This project has exploded into one of great general interest.  We
have attracted the attention of many individuals and several
prominent organizations.  Monetary contributions will be accepted to 
pay programming interns for their time.  Contributions may be sent to:

        Bob Amstadt
        5059 Wayland Ave.
        San Jose, CA  95118
        USA

***************************************************************
WHO'S WHO

        Thanks to the following people for their generous
contributions of time to this project.

        Martin Ayotte
        Erik Bos
        John Brezak
        Andrew Bulhak
        John Burton
        Peter Galbavy
        Jeffery Hsu
        Miguel de Icaza
        Alexandre Julliard
        Scott A. Laird
        Peter MacDonald
        David Metcalfe
        John Richardson
        Johannes Ruscheinski
        Yngvi Sigurjonsson
        Linus Torvalds
        Carl Williams
        Karl Guenter Wuensch
        Eric Youngdale

        Thanks to the following people and organizations for their
generous contributions of money and equipment:

        David L. Harper
        Bob Hepple
        Mark A. Horton
        Kevin P. Lawton
        Syntropy Institute
        James Woulfe

***************************************************************
HISTORY

        The Wine project is an attempt to write something with similar 
functionality to the WABI that was developed by Sun.  The basic goal 
is to be able to take a MS-Windows binary and run it under X-Windows.  
Currently Wine is supported by three operating systems: Linux, FreeBSD 
and NetBSD.  Other operating systems may be supported in the future.  
The finished product will essentialy consist of two parts:

        a) A program loader, which will load the Windows binary into
the virtual memory of the user process, provide a means for adjusting
the ldt of the processor so that the 16-bit segments that are
typically used with Windows binaries will work correctly, and provide
a means for calling the Windows binary in the first place, allowing
the Windows binary to call back to the 32-bit mode program, and
finally allow the 32-bit mode program to call back again to the
Windows binary (i.e. Windows callbacks).  In each case, the arguments
being passed will have to be pulled from the appropriate stack and
loaded on to the other stack (there will be a 16 bit and a 32 bit
stack).  Finally some application specfic DLL libraries will have to
be loaded, and dynamic linking will have to be performed.

        b) The second part of the finished product is an emulation
library, which takes calls to Windows functions, and somehow
translates these into calls to X11 in one fashion or another, so that
equivalent functionality is achieved.

        It should be pointed out that the Windows binary will be
running directly - there will be no need for machine level emulation
of the instructions.  Sun has reported better performance with their
version of WABI than is actually achieved under MS-Windows -
theoretically the same result is possible under Wine.

        The project got started as a result of discussions on
comp.os.linux in early June of 1993.  A mail channel was set up for
discussions, and this directory was created.  At the moment, all of
the files that are uploaded are in the private directory in a hidden
directory.  The reason for this is that the program is really only of
use to developers right now.  Once something is ready for public
consumption, it will be uploaded to a publicly visible directory.
-- 
Bob Amstadt       |  "So let the people say we're down right nasty
bob@amscons.com   |   I just say we're down right"
(408) 978-5743    |                                  --The B-52's

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From: bryce@midland.co.nz (Bryce D. Farmilo)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: ROUTING: Problem with speed for satelite sites
Date: 18 Mar 1994 00:18:28 GMT

I have a linux machine that is running on the Internet with a SLIP connection
to our host at the Waikato university.  When I run FTP on my machine I 
typically get (.800 K/sec) but if I use another Linux machine that is 
linked to the router through ethernet I get a incredible (.134 K/sec) on 
most FTP's if i'm lucky.  This of course translates across to all other 
network specific clients including telnet, mosaic, etc..

Is there some way of speeding up the routing through a Linux machine so 
that it is not so cronicly slow?

My current Linux setup is Linux 1.0 with gcc 2.5.8 and Libc4.5.21 I am 
running my slip connection at 16k8bps and have NNTP news running down the 
same line.  I have posted a request for an answer for this on two 
previous occasions and really do need an answer soon.  Otherwise it may 
just be dump linux time as this is really important!

Many thanks,

Bryce.

--
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|    Bryce Farmilo              | Email:        bryce@midland.co.nz         |
|    System Administrator       | Phone:        +64-7- 8391045 or 8247225   |
|    Midland Internet Services  | Fax:          +64-7- 8391172 or 8391168   |
+-------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
| Roses are red, Violets are blue, some poems rhyme, but this one doesn't!  |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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From: tkorvola@dopey.hut.fi (Timo Korvola)
Subject: Re: Effective rights in Linux/Unix
Date: 17 Mar 1994 21:25:18 GMT
Reply-To: Timo.Korvola@hut.fi

In article <1994Mar17.002518.3035@compiler.tdcnet.nl> jvoosten@compiler.tdcnet.nl (J.S. van Oosten) writes:

   What you're looking for is the (in)famous 's'-bit. Its an attribute just
   like the 'r', 'w' and 'x' bits on files. It's called the 'sticky' bit,

Nope.  These are the setuid and setgid bits.  The sticky bit is
something else.  Its presence is denoted in the ls -l output by t in
the others' execute permission slot (chmod +t can be used to set the
bit).  When a directory has this attribute set, files in it can only
be deleted by the owner of the file, the owner of the directory or
root.

Setting the sticky bit on an executable binary normally causes the
program text to be saved in memory even after the process has
finished, eliminating the need to reload the text when another such
program is started.  I don't know if this has been implemented in
Linux.

   Now we're on this bit anyway: I've seen some 's' bits on directories, in the
   user & group field: can anyone enlighten me what function they have there ?

Files created in such directories are given the owner (for setuid) or
the group (for setgid) of the directory.
--
        Timo Korvola            Timo.Korvola@hut.fi

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From: wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 19 Mar 1994 18:16:26 +0200

gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU (Robert Sanders) writes:
> Now don't tell me that you pronounce "Linus" with the "lin" sounding
> like "lint"?

Er..., that _is_ how I pronounce it, except that the i is longer than
the one in lint.  And Linus pronounces it the same way.

Charlie Brown and his friends are wrong!

:-)

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings/Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: dspt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Douglas Pratt)
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:30:25 GMT

   I'm sorry- but which newsgroup is this? I could have sworn I'd
unsubscribed from all the BSD groups the day I discovered ObjectBuilder for
Linux in my mailbox. Guess I better check again ........


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Date: 19 Mar 1994 13:37:00 +0100
From: kai-fsstnd@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen)
Subject: Re: "Reverse-engineering"

ag129@ucs.cam.ac.uk wrote on 14.03.94 in <ag129.564.2D844873@ucs.cam.ac.uk>:

> OS/2... :-)   Seriously if you want to support NetWare the way to go
> is to run Novell's own client modules in a virtual DOS box (of course
> it wouldn't need to implement the whole of DOS, just the necessary
> interrupts).  Reverse-engineering is not the only way, even if it may
> give the biggest ego boost.

How about asking Novell to work with you on an IPX implementation? :-)

I heard that's what someone *has* done ...

> What about CAP then?  The spec for AppleTalk Phase II is readily
> available, even if Apple have since become less open about it.

I heard there *is* a port of CAP.



Kai
--
Internet: kh@ms.maus.de, kai@khms.westfalen.de
Bang: major_backbone!{ms.maus.de!kh,khms.westfalen.de!kai}
## CrossPoint v2.93 ##

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From: hal@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Hal N. Brooks)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 19 Mar 1994 17:39:26 GMT
Reply-To: hal@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Hal N. Brooks)

In article <2mf8gq$d7p@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:
>gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU (Robert Sanders) writes:
>> Now don't tell me that you pronounce "Linus" with the "lin" sounding
>> like "lint"?
>
>Er..., that _is_ how I pronounce it, except that the i is longer than
>the one in lint.  And Linus pronounces it the same way.
>
>Charlie Brown and his friends are wrong!
>
>:-)

Right!  But only if they are referring to Linus Torvalds.  I feel that
someone's name should be pronounced as *they themselves* pronounce it.
And that a geographical location should be pronounced as the residents
of that place pronounce it (which makes for some very strange pronunciations
here in the state of Georgia, USA :-).

I want to go on record as saying that it's not difficult for English
(even American) speakers to pronounce 'Linux' correctly (well, we
may have a bit of an accent, but nobody is perfect).  It's basically
the same as we might ordinarily pronounce the surname 'Lennox'.

All of this reminds me of the humorous comment by Niklaus Wirth that
Americans use call-by-value, and Europeans use call-by-name, when
pronouncing his surname.  That is, Americans tend to pronounce his
name "worth," rather than "verth."

======================================================================
 Hal N. Brooks     Voice: (706) 546-7792     Internet: hal@cs.uga.edu
======================================================================

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From: rgollent@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Archmage of Kylastra)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.doom.,comp.os.linux.help,upenn.linux,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.rexx,comp.os.os2.program
Subject: Re: HEELLPPP!!!  Hard drive catastrophe :(
Date: 19 Mar 1994 17:37:48 GMT

Spawn (saw@eniac.seas.upenn.edu) wrote:
<Deletia>

My ask a stupid question like: "Is your 261 MB and IDE harddrive ?"
and "Are you sure your BIOS settings are correct ?"

Roman

PS: Don't despair. I have had worse problems than that :)

Oh, btw, you might wanna subscribe to comp.pc.hardware.harddrives or
something that is close to it, and air your complaint. 

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From: bmork@comtch.iea.com (Brian Mork)
Subject: GSI Model 32 DB-9 problems?
Date: 19 Mar 1994 16:46:47 GMT

Is anybody out there having trouble receiving data on the DB-9 serial port
sticking out the back of a GSI Model 32 disk controller/serio card?  I've
had failures spread across a number of hardware items and software
packages so that I'm starting to suspect the GSI board.  Any input from
other Model 32 users?  Please e-mail feedback to bmork@opus-ovh.spk.wa.us. 
Thanks! 

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From: kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 18 Mar 1994 00:27:34 GMT

On Thu, 17 Mar 1994 23:31:30 +0000, 9 wrote:
> I keep coming across English speakers who say Lie-nucks and I totally fail
> to see why they think that is the correct pronunciation.

[deleted]

> Likewise for 'i'. pine, dine, dime as opposed to pin,din,dim etc.

> So, the lin in linux should be pronounced as in lint and not as in
> line. I really don't see anything awkward about this for English
> speakers.  Now, american might be different :-)

But, how do English speakers pronounce the name Linus? Ever watch Charlie
Brown? :-)

So there is precedent.

-- 
[==================================================================]
[ Kevin Lentin                   |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\__/~\__/~\_| ]
[ kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au  |___/~\/~\_____/~\______/~\/~\__| ]
[ Macintrash: 'Just say NO!'     |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\____/~~\___| ]
[==================================================================]

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From: nam@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Joonwoo Nam)
Subject: Re: Can I use a non SCSI tape backup with Linux?
Date: 19 Mar 1994 19:05:00 GMT

Scott M McLewin (smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu) wrote:
: I am looking to purchase a tape backup (250M range) for my system.  Looking
: at the compatability list, I noticed that only SCSI drives are listed.  I
: am hoping this document is wrong....Is anybody out there running with
: a non SCSI tape drive?  If so, which is it...and how did you get it to 
: work (I also need it to function under DOS, but I figure this is pretty
: simple).
:  
: I'm running 0.99pl13 (but I have 15 on cd just waiting to load...I purchased
: this kernel on cd for the soundblaster cd support :)  oops...).
:  
: I would appreciate it if you mailed any responses to me.  Our news reader
: has just come back up after three months of being "temporarily unavailable", 
: and is now listed as "potentially stable".  
:  
: Thanks for the help!
:  
: Scott
: smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu

: --


: Scott M McLewin                                 smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu

Quoted from Ftape-HOWTO available in

/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO@sunsite.unc.edu or
/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO@tsx-11.mit.edu


. . . . . . . . . . . . 
Q1.3    Which drives are supported?
===================================
  All drives that are both QIC-117 compatible *AND* either QIC-40 or QIC-80
compatible should work.  Currently, the list of drives that's *positively*
known to work with ftape is:

        * Colorado DJ-10 / DJ-20 (aka: Jumbo 120 / Jumbo 250)
        * Archive 5580i / XL9250i
        * Insight 80Mb
        * Conner C250MQ
        * Wangtek 3080F
        * Iomega 250
        * Escom / Archive (Hornet) 31250Q
        * Summit SE 150 / SE 250
        * Mountain FS8000
. . . . . . . . . . . . 

Hope this helps

Joonwoo

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From: Perry.Rovers@kub.nl  (Perry Rovers)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 17:58:00 GMT

In Article <2m9rnt$h6c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> "sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)" says:
> Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hours"
> that the JANA folks promised?
Nope, and no bounce either... we'll have to wait and see, but this looks
like last time :)

+---------------------------------------------+---------------------+
| Perry Rovers  E-mail: Perry.Rovers@kub.nl   | Internauts do it in |
| DEA/IM, Tilburg University, The Netherlands |     a network       |
+---------------------------------------------+---------------------+

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From: ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:19:14 GMT

>>Charlie Brown and his friends are wrong!
>
>Right!  But only if they are referring to Linus Torvalds.  I feel that
>someone's name should be pronounced as *they themselves* pronounce it.

Not me.  When I speak English, I pronounce names with the common
American pronunceations, no matter what.  Louis is always "LOO-iss",
and Linus is always the way Charlie Brown pronounces it.

So, I, like everyone I talk to around here, will keep pronouncing
Linux as "LIE-nucks".  I'll occasionally mention that it's pronounced
differently in other languages, just as Louis is pronounced "LOO-ey"
in French.

-- 
Doug DeJulio
ddj+@cmu.edu

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From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***
Date: 18 Mar 1994 13:46:15 -0600

In article <2mafiq$10i@xivic.bo.open.de>,
Wolfgang Schelongowski <ws@xivic.bo.open.de> wrote:
[...]
>Then why don't they read the DAILY posting
>
>Subject: *** READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***  ?
>
>Or do they believe themselves to be an aristocracy beyond the "commons" 
>who have to stand by to serve them ?

I hate to jump into this argument, but I would like to point out that
someone reading, say, colm for the first time faces quite a few
messages.  (I had 1700 this morning, and I'd only been out of touch
for a week or so.)  Since the "READ THIS BEFORE..." message gets
posted daily and trn wants to arrange posts by date, it will be one of 
the last 50 or so.  Heck, in some groups I never catch up enough to see
daily postings.

Anyway, I just thought I'd point out that it is possible to read
several weeks worth of postings without ever seeing the daily faq.

[...]
>The moment there is an auto-moderated c.o.l.{help,misc,...} variant
>this site will longer receive c.o.l.{help,misc,...} ...

And miss postings like mine?  How could you stand it? :-)

>-- 
>Wolfgang Schelongowski  ws@xivic.bo.open.de
[...]



=====
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."

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