Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #838
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Linux-Misc Digest #838, Volume #1                Sat, 19 Mar 94 19:13:21 EST

Contents:
  Re: PCI ATI VEDIO CARD (Michael Shane Lamont)
  bsd link error (Dixon Ly)
  Re: Linux pronounciation HOWTO (Warner Losh)
  Re: Linux box on the internet (Ray Rocker)
  Want to give NC/Linux development away (Andreas Matthias)
  Re: Prepare for DOOM (parody) (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
  Re: How big is the Linux community? (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
  Using compress/gzip with GNU-tar (Matthias Rabe)
  Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (lilo)
  which utility (Dan Swartzendruber)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Jon Peatfield)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Geoffrey Welsh)
  Re: Debian release date? (Phil Perucci)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Phil Perucci)
  Re: DOOM for X (Terry Lambert)
  Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (John F. Haugh II)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Jordan K. Hubbard)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.unix.admin
From: msl@norasia.com (Michael Shane Lamont)
Subject: Re: PCI ATI VEDIO CARD
Reply-To: msl@norasia.com
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:25:34 GMT


I got Xfree 1.3 to work with the Gateway Pentium
after tweaking.  

I made a custom resource file and made a symbolic link to the 
ATI driver.  Worked.  E-mail for help if you want.

P.S.  The performance is really good. (i mean really good)
In article 4Cs@netcom.com, jdl@netcom.com (James D. Levine) writes:
> Edmund Knowles (d0zawjh@server4.bell-atl.com) wrote:
> : Hi,
> :     I have a gateway pentium that has a ati ax0 video card ont the PCI bus.
> :     I cannot get x windows to run in ati-vga mode because it
> :     does not have the proper chipset, it seems that linux was released 
> :     before the PCI video card was available.
> :     does any one know if the right chipset or whatever I need is availiable?
> :     and how do I go about getting it. 
> :     I can run X in monochrome-vga but that is all.
> :     Thanks in advance.
> :     Ed.
> :     dzawjh@server4.bell-atl.com
> 
> I have the same configuration - you need XFree 2.0 (or now, 2.1), with the
> Mach32 accelerated server.  
> 
> James
> 





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From: dly@netcom.com (Dixon Ly)
Subject: bsd link error
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 01:24:46 GMT

Hi, I am using GCC 2.5.8 with libs 4.5.21 (as obtained in binary form
from sunsite.unc.edu).  I am trying to compile a pgrogram that uses
the bsd ioctl call, but am getting a 'missing bsd_ioctl' link error.
I remember having the same problem when I compiled xterm a while back.
It was fixed by using the '-lbsd' flag.  But apparently, this doesnt 
work anymore.  I even use the -L flag to point to the correct 
directly where the bsd lib is in (libbsd.a in /usr/lib ) but to no
avail.  Anyone help, please?

thanks
-d


-- 

---
Dixon Ly
dly@netcom.com


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From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Linux pronounciation HOWTO
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:55:47 GMT

In article <ARAW.94Mar18184406@iplab7.health.ufl.edu>
araw@iplab7.health.ufl.edu (Robert Moser) writes: 
>Cool, might I suggest to Linus that he consider posting a picture of
>himself, his home area, and the box "where it all took (is taking) place"?

If we really wanted to go overboard, we could have a picture of him
saying Linux, along with the sound bytes needed.

Heck, given how much Linux is growing, it might even appear in Jurasic
Park II :-)

"I know this, its Linux..." :-) :-)

Warner
-- 
Warner Losh             imp@boulder.parcplace.COM       ParcPlace Boulder
"... but I can't promote you to "Prima Donna" unless you demonstrate a few
 more serious personality disorders"

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From: rocker@rock.b11.ingr.com (Ray Rocker)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: Linux box on the internet
Date: 17 Mar 1994 18:14:14 GMT

In article <2m4h1e$8ec@oak7.doc.ic.ac.uk>, mmh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Mirza Manar Hussain) writes:
|> I should be in a position to put a computer on the net some time later this
|> year and offer various services. I was wondering if there are many Linux
|> boxes out there on the net with much significant access. I would be very
|> interested in the viability of a Linux box in this situation. It would be
|> set up to be ftp, telnet, mosiac, gopher -able etc, with accounts available
|> for remote users and possibly some bbs type discussion areas.

There are several such machines running internet BBSes under Linux, and one
I help out with runs both a BBS and a MUD. Linux does seem to have problems
with slow Internet connections; it appears to not handle long packet delays 
and retransmissions well (it takes a lot longer to sync up compared to, say,
SunOS under the same circumstances), especially when closing connections. 
But it is a lot better in 1.0, and the problem with closing connections 
is being worked from what I read here. 

On those rare occasions I get my packets through quickly and without many
retries, the Linux servers fly. 

-- ray

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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 05:08:00 +0100
From: Andreas_Matthias@p43.rollo.central.de (Andreas Matthias)
Subject: Want to give NC/Linux development away

Hi,

since I'm working on a new project I'd like to pass the responsibility for 
the further development of NC/Linux to someone else.

If you have C, C++ and ncurses experience, please contact me.

Ciao,
Andreas


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From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Subject: Re: Prepare for DOOM (parody)
Date: 19 Mar 1994 20:11:34 +0100

In <newcombe.13.000A098F@aa.csc.peachnet.edu> newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:

>In article <1994Mar16.162046.17116@taylor.wyvern.com> mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>>>Ah, what the heck.  It is a .misc group.

Well, then I'll just create a kill-file-entry for [dD][oO][oO][mM] and
post it to help the public ...


>>>How about:  Can I run Linux Doom under windows?

>>Indeed, that is the whole point- running under Unix and Xwindows.....
>>or were you refering to the product named MS-Windows?


>Yes, I was refering to MS-Windows.  After all, they are both windowing 
>software, and Microsoft is a bigger company than X is (What kinda company
>name is that anyway?)  Besides, MS-Windows is easier to use and way more
>powerful, and....  :)   Hmmm...maybe I should send this to the MS advocay 
>group (hehe)

You didn't.
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  ws@xivic.bo.open.de
"Hi, Bill. You sound a bit depressed to me."
"It's worse than that. I'm dead, Jim."
  -- Terry Pratchett, Johnny and the Dead

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From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Subject: Re: How big is the Linux community?
Date: 19 Mar 1994 20:30:20 +0100

In <2m93i1$rb6@trane.uninett.no> hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes:

...
>Distribution of source (85 reported)
>------------------------------
>  1   1.2%: cd/metro
>  1   1.2%: cd/morse
>  1   1.2%: cd/sls
>  1   1.2%: cd/trans-ameritech
>  3   3.5%: cd/transameritech
>  1   1.2%: cd/yggdrasil
>  1   1.2%: debian
>  2   2.4%: floppy/friend
>  1   1.2%: floppy/linux system labs
>  1   1.2%: floppy/linux systems labs
> 59  69.4%: ftp
>  1   1.2%: ftp (sunsite.unc.edu)
>  1   1.2%: ftp floppy/friend
>  1   1.2%: ftp/ftp.cdrom.com
> 10  11.8%: nfs

What about tape ?

What about "adidasnet" ? I.e. you grab a tape, go / drive / ... to a 
friend who copies Linux on it.

...
>Cx magazine in Germany had a poll in September '93, from which one could
>conclude that there were *at that time* 7.500 Linux users among the
>magazine's circulation of some 26.000

That should be EITHER c't OR ix, although both belong to the same 
publisher. Although I vaguely remember something about it I couldn't 
find it in either of them, however.
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  ws@xivic.bo.open.de
"Hi, Bill. You sound a bit depressed to me."
"It's worse than that. I'm dead, Jim."
  -- Terry Pratchett, Johnny and the Dead

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From: rabe@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Matthias Rabe)
Subject: Using compress/gzip with GNU-tar
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:46:05 GMT

Every now and then I see notes to uncompress or gunzip compressed/gzipped
tar files prior untarring them or piping gunzip's output into tar.

        Just a hint:
        ------------

I think, almost all of us are using GNU tar (aren't we?). Just supply the
'Z' option to let tar call compress or 'z' to use gzip. This works for
creation and extraction of a tar archive. 

So simply type
        tar czvf my_new_fancy_tar_archive.tar.gz *
or
        tar xzvf my_new_fancy_tar_archive.tar.gz

Matthias
-- 
rabe@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de                          Matthias Rabe
Universit"at Bielefeld                            Privat: Avenwedder Str. 494
U5-133                                                    D 33335 G"utersloh
Tel.: (0521) 106-3871                                     Tel.: (05209) 6673

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From: lilo@slip-11-12.ots.utexas.edu (lilo)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Date: 19 Mar 1994 19:30:00 GMT

On Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:30:25 GMT, Douglas Pratt (dspt@troi.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
>    I'm sorry- but which newsgroup is this? I could have sworn I'd
> unsubscribed from all the BSD groups the day I discovered ObjectBuilder for
> Linux in my mailbox. Guess I better check again ........

Hehehe yes.  I never *subscribed* to them, and as a Linux enthusiast I find
these postings on the Linux side to be highly amusing....I had thought
everyone on both sides got that "let's compare apples to oranges" stuff out
of their systems a long time ago.... ;)


lilo

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From: dswartz@pugsley.osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber)
Subject: which utility
Date: 19 Mar 1994 21:43:59 GMT


I'm kind of amazed.  With all of the random, semi-useful BSD
programs out there, I was a tad surprised when I typed in
'which crond' and found out Linux doesn't have the which
command.  I poked around in the BSD sources and got it working
and installed in /usr/local/bin in a few minutes, but it seems
to me that a program this useful really should be part of the
standard release...  It wasn't in Slackware 1.1.2 anyhow...


-- 

#include <std_disclaimer.h>

Dan S.

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From: jp107@amtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 19 Mar 1994 21:56:51 GMT

> Check a "Peanuts" TV special for the most common pronunciation of "Linus" in
> the U.S.  :-)

What has the USA got to do with pronounciation of English?
  (for humour challenged add ;-)

That said, the common English pronounciation of Linux is /Lie-nus/
here too.

I'm trying to stop saying "linux" as /Lie-nux/ but it is VERY hard!

-- Jonathan Peatfield
--
Jon Peatfield, Computer Officer, the DAMTP, University of Cambridge
Telephone: (+44 223) 3-37852     Mail: J.S.Peatfield@amtp.cam.ac.uk

 PP breaks RFC-822 when forwarding SMTP->SMTP mail.  PP: Just say NO.


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From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:46:11 EST

merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:

> >Does the c compiler under ODT 3 still have optimizing bugs?
> 
> Probably not.  If it did our locally compiled code would probably have
> stumbled across it by now.  Whatever rcc, cc, and icc are doing seems
> to be pretty safe optimizations only.

   I'm wondering about this, and I can think of only two "optimizing bugs": 
the 'unsafe optimizations', which were disabled as of MSC v6.0 (anyone know 
when the SCO dev sys switched its base to MSC 6?), and one optimization I 
consider dangerous: 'assume no aliasing'. 

   The /Oa parameter is recommended by some without explaining its 
consequences.  The MSC manual covers it, but those not experienced in 'C' 
programming may not understand.

   When compiling code that you didn't write, unless the author tested it with 
the /Oa option, don't use it.

Geoffrey Welsh geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff
"NT: Neverending Tedium" - Matthew Desmond

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From: philp@universe.digex.net (Phil Perucci)
Subject: Re: Debian release date?
Date: 19 Mar 1994 17:29:03 -0500

In article <IMURDOCK.94Mar19105542@sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu>,
>The next release of Debian (version 0.92) will almost certainly be
>announced to c.o.l.a., so I suppose that you could call it an
>``official'' release.  Then again, Debian has been FTPable to the
>general public since the end of January; would that constitute an
>``official'' release?  Probably not.  But the version of Debian that
>will be announced is still BETA... ah, never mind. :)
>
>Ian

Any word on when the CD will be out (one the Debian group approves)?
Will it still be available from the FSF, with the Debian group
supplying disk/tape versions?

Also, does Debian have a fancy color menu-driven installation program
like Slackware 1.1.2?


-- 
==============================================================================
 Phil Perucci             | "All postings are my own opinion - all comments
 Systems Integrator       |  are intended for research/educational purposes"
==============================================================================

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From: philp@universe.digex.net (Phil Perucci)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: 19 Mar 1994 17:35:12 -0500

I understand the Win32 API (one of it's incarnations) will be sort of
an industry standard, at least on Microsoft and Unix platforms. 
Some company just announced that they have licensed from Microsoft
the Windows SOURCE CODE, and that somehow, this results in the Win32
API being an industry standard on Unix AND Microsoft.  Sorry I don't
remember names, but it was announced on one of the comp.os.ms-windows.*
or *.nt.* newsgroups.

-- 
==============================================================================
 Phil Perucci             | "All postings are my own opinion - all comments
 Systems Integrator       |  are intended for research/educational purposes"
==============================================================================

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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: 18 Mar 1994 02:06:35 GMT

In article <2m814r$bnp@news.mcs.kent.edu> borsburn@mcs.kent.edu (Bret Orsburn) writes:

[ ... Me saying "Window managers should be in the X terminal" ... ]

>But if you think about it for two minutes instead of one, you might
>conclude otherwise.
>
>Whatever else it may be, a window manager is an application program.
>
>An application program needs an application run-time environment, and
>for an X application that environment is probably going to be UNIX.
>
>So, to provide a general solution for local clients, your X Terminal
>has to provide a UNIX application run-time environment (including all
>of the application libraries your local clients might need).

Well, first off, the only thing I'm really interested in is moving the
window manager to the X terminal ... but as far as application environment,
that's what xrdb an XInternAtom() are for.  As far as API environment
is concerned, a clock, a window manager, a print server, and an X telnet
or rlogin or CTERM (DECNet) window all consume only those interesting
resources that must be there for an X terminal to be an X terminal (ie:
networking, display, and mouse/keyboard input services).  For print
services, I guess you'd need a local printer port (check the back of NCD,
NCR, or GraphOn X terminals lately? Even a Wyse-50 has a printer port...).

Second, the real benefit to RPC'ing the widgets is the reduction in
wire traffic *on the average*.  This is the same benefit I expect from
a local window manager, which no longer has to get it's events from the
X terminal over the wire and send events to the reparent clients (bouncing
them through the X terminal), such as geometry management, etc.  The
problem is wire traffic; an 8 bit address range logical subnet on a 10MBit/S
wire is simply too many hosts for an exclusively X traffic wire; putting
the window manager on board divides the traffic by a factor of 2-3, depending
on what the users are doing to the terminal.

Finally, you are arguing from the specific to the general, which is logically
invalid in any case.

>That ratchets your system design a large notch closer to being a workstation.
>(In fact, the only thing that distinguishes this design from a workstation
>is the compromises you make to a "real" UNIX environment to save costs.
>Those are the same compromises that all of those enlightened programmers
>are going to come back and tell you about later.)

This is the argument Sun tried to use (an failed at).  Sun is now selling
workstations running X server software under the name "X terminal".  Sun
wasn't very successful selling that world view, and they had a marketing
department being paid big $ trying to back their story up.  8-).

>You may just have designed away the cost/performance advantage you had
>by building an X terminal instead of a workstation.

Actually, you did the designing away when you offered to expand the
environment *far* beyond what I needed to accomplish my goals.

>And, just to make things interesting, you just designed an open system
>instead of a closed system. I hope you're prepared to go into the programming
>support business.

Well, NCR did the designing, but given what AT&T now charges for the
beasts, they can afford to support a couple of programmers here and there.
8-).


                                        Terry Lambert
                                        terry@cs.weber.edu
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:30:36 GMT

In article <1994Mar18.172310.10200@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
>I dunno about that... IBM may have learned about open systems, but the reports
>I hear from the field about AIX suggest that it is even less Unix-compatible
>than SCO is :-)  Of course, they may be waiting to fix it in the AIX
>personality of Workplace OS, but I'll believe that when I see it.

AIX has more "standards" brandings than you can shake a stick at.  Most
of the complaints I hear are the AIX is neither USG or BSD.  If AIX is
guilty of anything it is that it is too "compatible" and some of those
compatibilities get in the way ;-)
-- 
John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
 There are three documents that run my life: The King James Bible, the United
 States Constitution, and the UNIX System V Release 4 Programmer's Reference.

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From: jkh@whisker.hubbard.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: 19 Mar 1994 23:29:03 GMT

In article <2mfun0$j4d@universe.digex.net> philp@universe.digex.net (Phil Perucci) writes:
   I understand the Win32 API (one of it's incarnations) will be sort of
   an industry standard, at least on Microsoft and Unix platforms. 
   Some company just announced that they have licensed from Microsoft
   the Windows SOURCE CODE, and that somehow, this results in the Win32
   API being an industry standard on Unix AND Microsoft.  Sorry I don't

This would be Bristol Technologies, with their WIND/U toolkit.
They've also ported over the MFC (Microsoft Foundation Classes), so
you can take your same C++ codebase under Windows and simply move it
over to UNIX to link with WIND/U's MFC libraries and be done with it.

I'm not associated with the company in any way, I just think it's
an important milestone..

                                        Jordan


--
Jordan K. Hubbard       FreeBSD core team       Electric Bivalves Anonymous
On the net, no one can hear you scream.

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