Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #839
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Date:     Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:13:09 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #839, Volume #1                Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (marauder)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Superuser)
  Mosaic 2.2 with FORMS? (Bill Heiser)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Chris Cebelenski)
  Re: linux & thinkpad 750c (2.88 drive) (Paul Vojta)
  Network stability of freeBSD vs. Linux (travis jensen)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Bill Vermillion)
  Re: SUMMARY: Linux on PCI bus systems (System Administrator)
  Re: DOOM for X (System Administrator)
  Playing Sounds from Mosaic (was Re: Linux pronounciation HOWTO) (Bill Heiser)
  Re: Starting a Linux Bibliography (Ronald Miller)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Roth Mark Daniel)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Grant Edwards)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Jim Gifford)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Theodore A. Serreyn)

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From: marauder@lod.amaranth.com (marauder)
Subject: Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 16:45:26 GMT

Ian Jackson (iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <2lp6qt$m5c@crl.crl.com>, Bill Hogan <bhogan@crl.com> wrote:
: >  If you have a question, just ask it!

: No, please don't.  Read the FAQ and HOWTOs first.

: Posting your question without reading the FAQ and HOWTOs is very rude.
: Doing so in this newsgroup is even ruder.

: Bill Hogan: please go and read the introductory documents in
:  rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.announce.newusers

: >  (A great scientist was once asked if he had found the answer. "Answers
: >are relatively easy", said the Professor, "finding the right question,
: >that's the hard part.")

: I fail to see the relevance of this paragraph.

: -- 
: Ian Jackson, at home  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu> or <iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk>
: PGP2 public key available on server.  Urgent email: <iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk>
: 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

Ya know Ian, 

I know you feel you are doing the best thing by chastising people for asking
questions that can be found in the faq's. However some of the faqs are
fairly hard to understand, and sometimes they even leave one more confused
than when they started. I agree there are a *LOT* of questions posted that
can indeed be found in the faq's, However you claiming that it is rude to
ask a question that can be found in a FAQ is way off base. I take no offense
whatsoever at it, in fact I think asking questions and information
interchange is what the whole internet and usenet is all about. If it harms
you in some way to answer a question that you know can be found in a FAQ or
HOWTO, then DONT ANSWER IT, Skip on to the next. Do you not preview the post
topics?, or are you somehow forced to read every single post on a newsgroup
and this is why you feel it is rude? People are people, and they are going
to contine to ask any question they see fit to ask and there is nothing you
can do about it..period. You can of course Moderate the linux newsgroups,
and some very clever person who knows every detail of every FAQ can sit
there and filter out any question that can be answered by a FAQ. This
perhaps would be your idea of the perfect Linux newsgroup base?. This way
YOU would not be forced to look at another single question that YOU know the
answer to, and YOU know is in a FAQ. The people who are going to continue to
ask questions that can be found in the FAQ's will simply create their own
new newsgroups and ask their questions there. You will of course subscribe
to these new newsgroups and again, begin chastising people for asking
questions that can be found in the FAQ's because you will find the traffic
on your own perfect newsgroups has become rather boring. I think you simply
need to relax.

td



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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: root@rco.qc.ca (Superuser)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:04:00 GMT

bill@camco.celestial.com (Bill Campbell) writes:
: In <2m5bd7$555@ftp.health.org> nathan@ftp.health.org (Nathan Bardsley) writes:
: 
: :In article <d0bpl.763777041@dtek.chalmers.se>,
: :Patrik Larsson <d0bpl@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:
: 
: :>   What are the pros and cons for SCO-unix in general, and
: :>compared to AIX (and maybe Linux) in particular?
: 
: :SCO is a nice system if all you're going to do is to run their
: :software.  If you want to compile your own applications or develope
: :some inhouse networking apps, good luck.  The SCO developement
: :package is, in a word, crippled.
: 
: I would disagree with this, at least for the current DevSys.  I
: have very little trouble compiling most net.sources (many
: available on my system ftp.celestial.com).  The only thing that
: seems to cause problems is mmdf, and I'm using smail3.1.28 so
: that doesn't bother me at all.  There were some difficulties with
: the older systems (about 2-3 years ago), but these have been
: cleared up with ODT 2.0 and ODT 3.0 DevSys.
: 

my experience concurs with this.

- mmdf is complex and inflexible as soon as you go off the beaten track.
- smail does exactly what we need it to do without having to become
  an sendmail initiate
- the xenix dev sys gave me a lot of trouble compiling net software, but
  unix and odt now seems to go through most of the things i have thrown at
  it. i used to use gcc almost exclusively, but now do not find that this
  no longer required [not as often anyways].
  
- having played with linux a bit, i find it quite reliable, and with excellent 
  performances. however, the distributions vary greatly in quality.
  
- linux docs are often less than clear.

- a number of networking features are not present in linux, and commercially
  available packages frequently do not run on this o/s
  
- if you can live with that, and are strapped for cash, linux might be
  a great choice. however, if you have to run a business, linux might
  end up being more costly for the added time that is required to learn
  the environment, and not have a support department to help you out when
  glitches happen.
     
i would say that the sco dev sys is quite adequate [based on my own
experience]. so is linux [given its low price :-)]

francois vrana
fv@interax.net

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From: heiser@acs4.bu.edu (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Mosaic 2.2 with FORMS?
Date: 20 Mar 1994 00:07:32 GMT

How can I get FORMS to work with Mosaic 2.2 (from Sunsite)?
When I try to type in a form blank, nothing shows up.

Also, when I start Mosaic 2.2, I get the following messages:

Mosaic: using incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4'
        Desire minor version >= 508 and found 404


What version of what library files should I get to resolve this?
I am running a heavily modified version of SLS 1.03.

Thanks,
Bill

-- 
Bill Heiser    heiser@acs.bu.edu, heiser@world.std.com
               Boston University, Boston MA   

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From: cpc@shell.portal.com (Chris Cebelenski)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 00:30:07 GMT

Dave Wagner (davew@cray.com) wrote:
: cavenewt@netcom.com (James F Small Jr) writes:

: >In article <2m9rnt$h6c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> sarr@citi.umich.edu writes:
: >>Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hours"
: >>that the JANA folks promised?
: >>-- 
: >Nope, I sent them a message, and haven't received anything back from them.
: >
: Same here.
 Yeah, nothing back here yet, either.


--
=============================================================
Chris Cebelenski                        cpc@shell.portal.com
Science Fiction SIG Moderator           cpc@cup.portal.com
Portal Communications

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From: vojta@powdermilk.berkeley.edu (Paul Vojta)
Subject: Re: linux & thinkpad 750c (2.88 drive)
Date: 20 Mar 1994 01:08:13 GMT

In article <2mdd5a$q8k@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>,
Christopher L Seawood <mgrcls@cornflower> wrote:
:Derek Chan (chan4@husc7.harvard.edu) wrote:
:: Hi!  Has anyone as of yet gotten linux working _successfully_ w/ the IBM
::ThinkPad 750C?  If so, could you please email me or post?  Specifically,
::the 2.88 drivedoesn't like linux...Anyone as of yet found a patch?
::(programmers: nudge, nudge^_^)
:
:Quick fix: go into the BIOS and change the drive so that it's seen as a
:1.44 instead of 2.88
:Long-possibly drawn out fix: get the somewhat old floppy patches from tsx
:or sunsite, and modify them for 2.88 drives.

Slightly less quick fix:  edit floppy.c to allow it to recognize drive type 5
as the same as drive type 4.  You'll then be able to use your drive as a
1.44MB drive under linux and as a 2.88 drive under MS-DOG.

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu

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From: jensen%hellgate.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (travis jensen)
Subject: Network stability of freeBSD vs. Linux
Date: 19 Mar 94 16:42:42 MST
Reply-To: jensen%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu

I am going to be putting a pc on the internet in the near 
future as an anonymous ftp site.  We will be using a 
486DX2-66 with an IDE drive for the OS and SCSI drives
for the ftp stuff.  This machine will be hooked up to
the 56k line that the rest of our LAN will use to access
the Internet.  It will be used as the mail server and 
possibly a small news server in addition.

Here are some questions that I have:

Which os is more stable for long term up times?  This
machine will essentially *not* be able to be down.

Which os handles network traffic better?  I heard that
386bsd is better over slow lines...is this something that
I will need to take into consideration as a major deciding
factor?

Which handles having multiple people logged on better?
Am I going to have more problems having 30 people logged
on freeBSD or linux?

This machine may also be used as a SLIP server.  Which
handles SLIP better?

I am going to have several Macintoshes on the network
(using mactcp).  Will I have more problems getting them
on with one than the other?

Any other info you think might be pertinant to what I
am going to be doing?  If you have a site on the internet,
I would especially like to hear about your experiences.

Please don't turn this into Linux rocks, bsd sucks (or vise
versa).  Info is much more useful.

Thanks,

Travis 

--
Travis A. Jensen                
jensen@peruvian.utah.edu  

"aaahhhhg-g-g-geeeeee"--Alexander Jensen (10/6/93)

I am a Scandanavian-American (5 generations removed
                              from Scandanavia)


--
Travis A. Jensen                
jensen@peruvian.utah.edu  

"aaahhhhg-g-g-geeeeee"--Alexander Jensen (10/6/93)

I am a Scandanavian-American (5 generations removed
                              from Scandanavia)

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: bill@bilver.oau.org (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:32:22 GMT

In article <d0bpl.763777041@dtek.chalmers.se>,
Patrik Larsson <d0bpl@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:
>   A business associate of mine needs information about the
>differences between the various Unixes for PCs (PS/2).

If you are talking about MicroChannel versions of the PS/2, be
aware that you are limited in choice.  AIX, SCO, and 1 or 2
others.   Perhaps Unixware or Solaris.   Most of the other Unix
vendors didn't port to MCA.

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org | bill.vermillion@oau.org

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From: root@desaster.sunflower.sub.org (System Administrator)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Linux on PCI bus systems
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:19:50 GMT

The summary of mine that I mentioned has been uploaded to 
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/Incoming/Summary.PCI.and.Linux.v0.1.txt
I guess it will be moved to /pub/Linux/docs sooner or later...

Cheers, Michael Will
PS: Working on version 0.2 :-) If you can add some information, feel free to
    mail me (as maintainer of it): michaelw@desaster.student.uni-tuebingen.de

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: root@desaster.sunflower.sub.org (System Administrator)
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:25:27 GMT

ddt@daisy.cc.utexas.edu (David Taylor) writes:

>The good news: I've been contacted by SGI, DEC, and Sun on ports to
>their OS's.  The SGI Indy arrived today.  Neat machine.  An AXP and
>SS10 may be on their way.
cewl :-)

>The bad news: I hope y'all don't mind if I restrict the ports to
>keyboard input.  I'm kinda wondering about the rudeness of yanking the
>mouse into the window for mouse control. 
Yeah, mouse would not be very good I guess, but there is a joystick-
device-driver around, why not support that one?

Cheers, Michael Will

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From: bill@bhhome.ci.net (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Playing Sounds from Mosaic (was Re: Linux pronounciation HOWTO)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:21:08 GMT

mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes:

>Of course, you'll need to be able to play sound through your WWW client;
>Mosaic fires off as process called "showaudio" to do this. I have
>"showaudio" linked to /usr/local/bin/play on SunOS systems, which
>does the trick.

How would one do this with Mosaic 2.2 in LINUX?

-- 
Bill Heiser:    bill@bhhome.ci.net,  heiser@world.std.com

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From: mammal@cgl.bu.edu (Ronald Miller)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Starting a Linux Bibliography
Date: 20 Mar 1994 01:32:22 GMT

James H. Haynes (haynes@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:

: VIII. System Administration

:      Linux System Administrator's Guide; Linux Documentation Project;
:      FTP sites; 1993.

        Essential System Administration, AEleen Frisch, O'Reilly and
        assoc. 1993. ISBN 0-937175-80-3.
        
        Good reference for any sysadmin (not just Linux) -- covers
        Sys V, 4.3 BSD, AIX, Xenix in detail.  Accounting, backup &
        restore, intro to security, filesystems, modem/terminal info,
        intro to TCP/IP, printing ... Great appendix on Bourne shell
        programming.


        Practical Unix Security, Garfinkel & Spafford, O'Reilly and
        assoc.  ISBN 0-937175-72-2.

        Some overlap with Essential System Admin., but all in all a
        solid book on security, especially for those aspiring to allow
        multiple-user, dial-up/net access to their Linux boxes.

============================================================================
Ronald P. Miller             " Every good scientist is one part B.F. Skinner
mammal@bu.edu                  and one part P.T. Barnum. "
74130.1172@compuserve.com      Will hack Forth for food.

                                .-.

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From: roth@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Roth Mark Daniel)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 18 Mar 1994 03:07:54 GMT

Someone said:
> I've always pronounced it Lie-knicks, for the very fact that it's close to
> Linus. However, I recently read that it should be pronounced like minix, with
> an L, since Linux is a Minix dirivitive. It was in some FAQ.

From the Linux FAQ:
---BEGIN---
Question 1.6.  How should I pronounce Linux ?

Linus says: `li' is pronounced with a short (ee) sound: compare prInt,
mInImal etc.  `nux' is also short, non-diphtong, like in pUt.  It's partly
due to Minix: Linux was just my working name for the thing, and as I wrote
it to replace Minix on my system, the result is what it is...  Linus'
minix became Linux.

I originally intended it to be called freax (although buggix was one
contender after I got fed up with some of the more persistent bugs :) and
I think the kernel makefiles up to version 0.11 had something to that
effect (`Makefile for the freax kernel' in a comment).  But arl called the
linux directory at nic.funet.fi [now ftp.funet.fi - iwj] pub/OS/Linux, and
the name stuck.  Maybe just as well: freax doesn't sound too good either
(freax is obviosly free + freak + the obligatory -x).

Rik Faith's note for English speakers: Linux --- `LIH-nuhks'.
---END---

I personally pronounced it lie-nuhks when I first heard about it,
because as a native American speaker that's how I thought it should be
pronounced when I saw it in print.  But shortly thereafter I read this
and luckily I hadn't been saying it for too long and was able to
change my speech pattern, and I now pronounce it correctly.

Of course, I'm also the kind of person that corrects people when they
pronounce "gif" wrong... :)

-- 
Personal religious issues include: | Interface: CLI, eventually VUI, no GUIs!
OS: UNIX (Linux on my 486)         |    (except X-Windows, of course.)
  Still recovering from MS-DOS...  | Micro: PCs!  No computer w/o a text-mode
Language: C++       Shell: tcsh    |    can possibly be taken seriously!

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From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 00:36:28 GMT

Roth Mark Daniel (roth@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:

: ---BEGIN---
: Question 1.6.  How should I pronounce Linux ?

: Linus says: `li' is pronounced with a short (ee) sound: compare prInt,
: mInImal etc.

Wait a minute! -- those are short "i" sounds, not short "e" sounds.
Short "e" is the sound present in words like "tent" and "bet."  Does
that mean that "linux" sounds like "pen-uhks"

I think we should pronounce it "lee-nooks" in order to confuse the
largest number of people.

Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Don't hit me!!  I'm in
Rosemount Inc.                                |the Twilight Zone!!!
                                              |
grante@rosemount.com                          |

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From: jgifford@thor.fcs.uga.edu (Jim Gifford)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: 20 Mar 1994 02:43:17 GMT

In article <CMxtE9.15D@unix.portal.com> cpc@shell.portal.com (Chris Cebelenski) writes:
   Dave Wagner (davew@cray.com) wrote:
   : cavenewt@netcom.com (James F Small Jr) writes:

   : >In article <2m9rnt$h6c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> sarr@citi.umich.edu writes:
   : >>Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hours"
   : >>that the JANA folks promised?
   : >>-- 
   : >Nope, I sent them a message, and haven't received anything back from them.
   : >
   : Same here.
    Yeah, nothing back here yet, either.

I sent e-mail to them about an hour after this article hit our server,
and just got the response today.(saturday-thursday=more than 24 hours)
I think they probably got a lot more replies than they counted on.

I wish them well this time.

Later,
Jim
--
Jim Gifford             Voice-Net:      (706) 369-8933
P.O. Box 624            Ham-Net:        KD4PPG@WB4VNT.GA.USA.NA
Winterville, GA 30683   InterNet:       jgifford@thor.fcs.uga.edu
Work:   (706) 742-8292  Fax:            (706) 742-8928


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From: tserreyn@nyx.cs.du.edu (Theodore A. Serreyn)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 02:45:29 GMT

I finally got my reference number today.  Only took what, five days?

Well, now at lease we'll see that quality of the CD's when they arrive ;)

I plan on doing a complete install on a test drive and then chekcing it out, 
and reporting my results to the net.

Until then,

Toodles!

Ted Serreyn




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