Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #842
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Date:     Sun, 20 Mar 94 20:13:12 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #842, Volume #1                Sun, 20 Mar 94 20:13:12 EST

Contents:
  Re: *** DON'T READ THIS B (Ron Smits)
  Slackware HOWTO problem (tim werner)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Grant Edwards)
  Mouse (Donald Likes)
  Re: Slackware HOWTO problem (Nigel Kirlew)
  Re: Prepare for DOOM (parody) (Alan Braggins)
  Re: Mosaic 2.2 binary with working forms available (David Konerding)
  does linux support trantor 130b? (Michael R. Gile)
  Term problem ... (Chris Newton CSD)
  Mouse/3c503 both want IRQ5 (Grant Edwards)
  [Request] Mosaic 2.2+term fixed (Mark Denovich)
  Re: Can I use a non SCSI tape backup with Linux? (Robert W. Brewer)
  Can I use a non SCSI tape backup with Linux? (Scott M McLewin)
  Transmit any sort of packets through ethernet cards? (Paul Tomblin)
  Re: Real APL ? (David E. Fox)
  Re: Slackware HOWTO problem (Robert W. Brewer)

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: *** DON'T READ THIS B
Date: 20 Mar 1994 15:48:44 GMT

Rick Emerson (rick.emerson@dscmail.com) wrote:
:  @SUBJECT:Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***                  N
: MA> Message-ID: <1994Mar17.164526.3688@lod.amaranth.com>

[ a lot of stuff about Ian Jackson deleted ]
: Rick
:   
: ...
:  * ATP/Linux 1.42 * War doesn't determine who's right, only who's left


Don't fall all the way over Ian, Wether you approve of what he does or not
he IS trying to think up ways to make life as easy as possible for people.

I wish people would stop flaming people instead of ideas. Flame an idea, 
Great, show your opinions, share your thoughts. But don't flame somebody
just because his idea is different. (Sounds almost like discriminiation)



--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                         -*/


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: thx1139@knuth.cba.csuohio.edu (tim werner)
Subject: Slackware HOWTO problem
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:46:16 GMT

Hi,

I'm just trying to install Slackware this weekend according to the latest
Installation HOWTO, and I've run into a problem.  I wonder if someone could
give me some clues.

To quote from the HOWTO:


    To  prepare  for hard drive installation, simply create a directory on
    the hard drive to store the Slackware files. For example,
  
         C:\> MKDIR SLACKWAR
  
    will create the directory C:\SLACKWAR to  hold  the  Slackware  files.
    Under this directory, you should create the subdirectories A1, A2, and
    so on, for each disk set that you downloaded. All of  the  files  from
    the A1 disk should go into the directory SLACKWAR\A1, and so forth.
  
    Now  you're  ready  to  go  on  and  install the software; skip to the
    section ``Installing the Software''.


I have the distribution online on my Unix box at work, and am attempting to
make the a1, a2, a3, and bootdisk disks so I can install from my hardrive
at home.

I un-gzipped and un-tarred these directory hierarchies, then ran unix "zip
-r" to create pkzipped files which I then downloaded over the phone to my
home computer.

At home, when I "pkunzip -d a1.zip" (or a2.zip or a3.zip or bootdisk.zip",
many of the files have illegal DOS names, and so cannot be restored from
the zip file.

So, my question is, how do I convert the a1, a2, a3, bootdisk, and so on,
directories from the distribution into something that I can zip/pkunzip
onto my hard drive under DOS?  Or, are all the "bad" files unnecesary for
the initial installation? 

Or have I got the wrong idea altogether?  Is there a better way to get the
distribution from Unix to DOS if you don't have a floppy drive on your Unix
box?  And, even if you _do_ have a floppy drive on your Unix box, isn't
there still a problem with the names of the files on the installation
disks?

thanks,
tw

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From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:46:10 GMT

Rick Emerson (rick.emerson@dscmail.com) wrote:

: 3J> I knew some one is going to post this but, I talked to christina and
: 3J> she got over 1000 E-Mails in 24 Hrs. So you have to wait few more
: 3J> 24 Hrs. :^)

: BZZZT!  If this is how JANA thinks they're going to improve things,
: they have flunked big time.  How hard is it to write a perl script
: that collects messages, ranks them by time received, mails a "you're
: message #xxx, details follow" message, and when the count hits 500,
: sends "so sorry, you're not in the magic 500, you're #xxx".  A little
: forethought and planning is not too much to expect.

You mean their answering those messages by HAND?!?!  I assumed that
they would have some kind of automated reply widget running that would
do exactly what you suggested above.  They should have expected to be
swamped by replies -- it wouldn't have taken more that a couple hours
to set up an automated reply.

A friend here at work who is new to Linux asked my about the new offer
from Jana.  I told him that they were known for missing deadlines and
not shiping product -- but this time you didn't pay until you recieved
the package, so I told him to go ahead and give it a shot.  

He hasn't gotten any reply yet.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Loni Anderson's hair
Rosemount Inc.                                |should be LEGALIZED!!
                                              |
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |

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From: likes@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu (Donald Likes)
Subject: Mouse
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:53:21 GMT

I 've looked every where for a faq or HOWTO on how to enable a mouse
but I haven't seen anything other than a bus mouse can someone point
me in the right direction.

I have a trackman 3 button serial mouse.

Thanks

Craig.

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From: anto@cyber1.gate.net (Nigel Kirlew)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Slackware HOWTO problem
Date: 20 Mar 1994 15:22:59 -0500

tim werner (thx1139@knuth.cba.csuohio.edu) wrote:
: Hi,

: I'm just trying to install Slackware this weekend according to the latest
: Installation HOWTO, and I've run into a problem.  I wonder if someone could
: give me some clues.
                :
                :

: I have the distribution online on my Unix box at work, and am attempting to
: make the a1, a2, a3, and bootdisk disks so I can install from my hardrive
: at home.

: I un-gzipped and un-tarred these directory hierarchies, then ran unix "zip
: -r" to create pkzipped files which I then downloaded over the phone to my
: home computer.

The files on each "disk" (a1, a2, etc) should not be un-gzipped or un-tarred.
This is done for you during installation. The .tgz files on each disk are
already in DOS 8.3 file format. Just "zip -r" the entire disk set and down-
load to your home machine.

: At home, when I "pkunzip -d a1.zip" (or a2.zip or a3.zip or bootdisk.zip",
: many of the files have illegal DOS names, and so cannot be restored from
: the zip file.

The damage has already been done.
        :
        : (stuff deleted)
        :

: thanks,
: tw

anto


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From: armb@setanta.demon.co.uk (Alan Braggins)
Subject: Re: Prepare for DOOM (parody)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 11:10:01 GMT

In article <1994Mar16.162046.17116@taylor.wyvern.com> mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>   >How about:  Can I run Linux Doom under windows?
>   Indeed, that is the whole point- running under Unix and Xwindows.....
>   or were you refering to the product named MS-Windows?

 If you are going to be pedantic, there is no product called Xwindows.
 "Its a window system called X, not a system called X windows".

NAME
     X - a portable, network-transparent window system

SYNOPSIS
     The X Window System is a network transparent  window  system
     developed at MIT which runs on a wide range of computing and
     graphics machines.

     The X Consortium requests that the following names  be  used
     when referring to this software:

                                  X
                           X Window System
                             X Version 11
                     X Window System, Version 11
                                 X11

--
Alan Braggins  armb@setanta.demon.co.uk  abraggins@cix.compulink.co.uk
"Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced"

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From: rafael@cse.ucsc.edu (David Konerding)
Subject: Re: Mosaic 2.2 binary with working forms available
Date: 20 Mar 1994 18:39:11 GMT

        I'm glad there's a working Mosaic 2.2 binary with forms- now, would
somebody with those libraries apply the term patches to the 2.2 source and
recompile those, too?  Thanks!

        I'm curious: wouldn't it be possible to patch Mosaic&term to use
tredir localhost:6669 remoteweb:whateverport 
instead of patching the network code?  


--
   O~_                  David Konerding (University of California, Santa Cruz)
  c/ /'                 rafael@cse.ucsc.edu
 ( ) \( )               rafael@cats.ucsc.edu
~~~~~~~~~~


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From: gilem@litecdev.eng.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: does linux support trantor 130b?
Date: 20 Mar 1994 18:37:02 GMT

I noticed by reading the howto list that the trantor 128 is supported
in the distribution, but that the 130b is not currently supported.
I assume that this means that the 128 drivers won't work, and I will
have to wait for the 130b drivers.  Since I'm not about to install 
linux off of floppies, I would like to know if anyone knows a ball-park
figure of when these will be available.

thanks in advance

Mike
-- 
Michael Gile                        |               Graduate Assistant
gilem@rpi.edu                       |   Computer & Systems Engineering
"Don't Blame Me, I voted for Perot!"| Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

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From: u0xh@jupiter.unb.ca (Chris Newton CSD)
Subject: Term problem ...
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 19:31:43 GMT


        I have tried everything... I have a supra 14.4K modem, with 
LAP-M, v42bis, MNP-5, v32bis, the whole bit.  The only thing is, I cant 
get more than 950 cps out of term (according to tmon).  I have the termrc 
rc set to:
compress off
baudrate 38400
window 8
timeout 50
escape 17
escape 19

        I have that termrc on both sides.  Even when I connect with 
LAP-M, I only get 950.  

        Anyone know what the problem is?  I get 1600 to 2400 cps normally 
when using comm programs to download things.


Chris newton

-- 
| | |\   | |\  University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, Canada
| | | \  | |/  ===========================================================
| | |  \ | |\  I Dont knot speek fer noboeys butt  me, caause I aint gots 
\_/ |   \| |/  no good grammer... :)

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From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Mouse/3c503 both want IRQ5
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 21:24:50 GMT

I just installed a system with a logitec busmouse and a 3c503 ethernet
card.  

I ran into the "mouse busy" problem since both the mouse and the 3c503
driver want to use IRQ5.  The mouse driver is hardwired at IRQ5 (which
we all knew) and the '503 driver just picks an unused IRQ when it is
open()ed.

The problem is that the mouse driver doesn't actually grab IRQ5 until
_it_ is open()ed.  I'm not sure why it acts this way -- do people share
interrupts between the mouse and something else?

It just so happens on my system that I don't run select, so the mouse
device isn't opened until X starts up, which is _after_ the network is
started.

When the '503 device is open()ed, IRQ5 is still available (the mouse
device is not open at this point), so the '503 driver grabs IRQ5.  Now
when X starts up, the mouse device returns the "resource busy" error
because it can't grab IRQ5.

The way I see it, I can do several things:

 1) put something in rc.whatever that opens the mouse device and then
    goes into the background (and then kill it to run X11).

 2) hard-wire the busmouse to IRQ 2,3 or 7 (all of which are
    available).

 3) change the order in which the 503 driver tries IRQs.  Current
    order is 5, 2(9), 3, 4.

 4) change the busmouse driver so that it grabs it's IRQ during
    initialization and never lets it go.

Personally, I kind of like option 3 or 4.  

Option 3: 

As long as setserial is before ifconfig in rc.*, then there should be
no conflict between serial interrupts and the 503 driver, so I think
4,3,2(9) should be polled first, and 5 should be a last resort since
it may need to be used in the future by the mouse driver.

Option 4: 

What's the point of waiting util the open() to grab the IRQ?  It just
confuses drivers like the 503 that want to autoIRQ.  If you can
autoIRQ, then fine, wait until you are open()ed to pick one.  If your
hardware is jumpered to use one fixed IRQ, then you might as well grab
it when you're initialized, 'cause if somebody else uses it, it'll
just mess things up.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Loni Anderson's hair
Rosemount Inc.                                |should be LEGALIZED!!
                                              |
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |

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From: madst38+@pitt.edu (Mark Denovich)
Subject: [Request] Mosaic 2.2+term fixed
Date: 20 Mar 94 21:52:02 GMT

Could someone please compile v2.2 of NSCA's Mosaic w/ term capabilities
with the FORMS fix.  (apparently is fixed if compiled w/ Motif 1.2.2)

Thank you,

Mark Denovich


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From: rbrewer@rwb114.rh.psu.edu (Robert W. Brewer)
Subject: Re: Can I use a non SCSI tape backup with Linux?
Date: 20 Mar 1994 19:11:34 GMT
Reply-To: rbrewer@psu.edu

Scott M McLewin (smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu) wrote:
>I am looking to purchase a tape backup (250M range) for my system.  Looking
>at the compatability list, I noticed that only SCSI drives are listed.  I
>am hoping this document is wrong....Is anybody out there running with
>a non SCSI tape drive?  If so, which is it...and how did you get it to 
>work (I also need it to function under DOS, but I figure this is pretty
>simple).

You can try some of the QIC-02 devices too.  I found a used Wangtek
5150EQ on the net which I am currently using to back up my system
with afio and the scripts "Backup 1.00" found on sunsite.  It is 
working quite well now.  The qic-02 driver also supports the Archive
and some other compatible qic-02 drives.

You can look at the headers in the kernel sources in 
include/linux/tpqic02.h to see what drives are currently supported.

I had no instructions for the controller card that came with my drive
but I finally found the right dip-switch settings in a Unixware 
installation manual (don't ask :)).  Anyway, after I got the 
switches set properly and recompiled my kernel with tape support 
linux recognized it properly and away I went.  I could tar, cpio,
and do all that with it, but I really needed some scripts to automate
the process and keep track of all the crazy command line options. 
You'll need some other tape tools, like mt, which rewinds and
fast-forwards the tape.  Then I found afio, which is a cpio enhancement
that supports multi-volume archives and on-the-fly compression,
but on a file by file basis, so that if one compressed file has a read error
only that file is lost and not the whole rest of the archive.

The Backup 1.00 scripts are very good and automate the whole process
using afio.  I changed some of the command line options to afio to
use the higher speed/lower compression mode of gzip and also the
buffering so I could get better streaming.  Right now it is working
great.  Maybe one of these days I'll put it in my crontab and just
change the tape every day and have fully automated backups.

As you said, it should be simple to get whatever you choose working
under DOS.

I hope this helps.  The backup scripts come with a nice
document about backing up under unix.  Afio and Backup 1.00 are in
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/system/Backup

-Rob
--
Robert W. Brewer  "Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him 
rbrewer@psu.edu    will never thirst."  --Jesus Christ (John 4:14)

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From: smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu (Scott M McLewin)
Subject: Can I use a non SCSI tape backup with Linux?
Date: 18 Mar 1994 23:33:51 -0500

 
I am looking to purchase a tape backup (250M range) for my system.  Looking
at the compatability list, I noticed that only SCSI drives are listed.  I
am hoping this document is wrong....Is anybody out there running with
a non SCSI tape drive?  If so, which is it...and how did you get it to 
work (I also need it to function under DOS, but I figure this is pretty
simple).
 
I'm running 0.99pl13 (but I have 15 on cd just waiting to load...I purchased
this kernel on cd for the soundblaster cd support :)  oops...).
 
I would appreciate it if you mailed any responses to me.  Our news reader
has just come back up after three months of being "temporarily unavailable", 
and is now listed as "potentially stable".  
 
Thanks for the help!
 
Scott
smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu
         .

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From: ptomblin@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Transmit any sort of packets through ethernet cards?
Date: 20 Mar 1994 17:04:27 -0500

I'm working on a project where we test networks using a bunch of Linux boxes.
These boxes have some special proprietary hardware to generate packets, and
we can generate any sort of packet, TCP, IP, IPX, IEE802.3, etc, with all
sorts of conditions (bad CRC, long, misaligned, etc).  Generally we have up
to 4 of these cards in a box, talking to the same or different networks.  As
well, we also have a proprietary network sniffer card (a modified router,
actually) that counts different types of packets, that also sits in the same
Linux box.  We have 10 Linux boxes in total, and so we can test some really
complicated net topologies with our router and brouter products.

But it seems to me that we could do the same using regular ethernet cards if
we had the right software to drive them.  Is this true?  Is there some source
code somewhere that I could modify to do this?  (I'm thinking especially
about the "sock" program that comes from the book TCP/IP illustrated that I
was just reading about in OST, and "tcpdump" for the network sniffer.)

Ok, here's the kicker:  As an added bonus, I'd like to be able to fire one
packet on one ethernet card at a specific point of the transmission of
another packet.  This is a lower priority - we could continue to use our
proprietary cards for this.

Oh, and another question:  I see that in the kernel (drivers/net/Space.c)
that there appears to be only support for 4 ethernet cards.  Could we bump
that up to 6 or more, and how hard would it be?

-- 
Paul Tomblin, Head - Automation Design Group.
Gandalf Canada Limited
This is not an official statement of Gandalf, or of Vicki Robinson.
"Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Linux"

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From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox)
Subject: Re: Real APL ?
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 20:49:39 GMT

Mark D. Reeve (msreeve@netcom.com) wrote:
: Doug DeJulio (ddj+@cs.cmu.edu) wrote:

: : I note that someone released an 8x14 APL font for VGA consoles.  I'd
: : like a *real* APL interpreter, that uses this font to display real APL
: : on my console, not some unusable unreadable ASCII mock-up.

Well, now that I have kbd-0.85 and loadable VGA fonts, it would be
useful to have a loadable APL font I can load just prior to starting
up apl11. This is what I did for APL on DOS machines.

: I'm very interested too.  Is there an APL currently supported under
: Linux?  Has anyone used the IBM AIX/RS6000 version successfully with
: Linux?

Yes, it's called J. :)  Seriously, apl11 works all right, but is
an ascii-only APL.  It's difficult to associate ascii letters with
APL symbols, IMHO.

One APL that looks real nice (only from looking at the literature
that was sent to me) is Dyalog's APL for X/Windows.  I doubt though
that Linux is supported. :(  It's also expensive - over $1000 as
I remember.

(Seeing that IBM practically gives APL2 away for free, at least for
DOS boxes, perhaps we can convince them to make a version for Linux.)

: Mark Reeve
: msreeve@netcom.com
-- 
David Fox                       root@belvedere.sbay.org
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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From: rbrewer@rwb114.rh.psu.edu (Robert W. Brewer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Slackware HOWTO problem
Date: 20 Mar 1994 19:19:46 GMT
Reply-To: rbrewer@psu.edu

tim werner (thx1139@knuth.cba.csuohio.edu) wrote:
>I un-gzipped and un-tarred these directory hierarchies, then ran unix "zip
>-r" to create pkzipped files which I then downloaded over the phone to my
>home computer.

>At home, when I "pkunzip -d a1.zip" (or a2.zip or a3.zip or bootdisk.zip",
>many of the files have illegal DOS names, and so cannot be restored from
>the zip file.

Tim, you're making it harder than it is.  Just download the files 
from your unix box to your DOS box exactly as they came from the
archives.  If you are going to install Slackware from your DOS partition
then make the a1, a2, etc. directories and put the *.tgz etc. files
in those directories.  Otherwise just copy the files to the root 
directories of DOS floppies labeled a1, a2, etc.

The slackware installation process takes care of ungzipping and
untarring all the distribution files once you have booted linux from
the boot and root floppies.  

Hope this helps.  The various READMEs in the top-level slackware 
directory also talk about this I think.  

-Rob
--
Robert W. Brewer  "Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him 
rbrewer@psu.edu    will never thirst."  --Jesus Christ (John 4:14)

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