Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #848
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date:     Tue, 22 Mar 94 00:13:08 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #848, Volume #1                Tue, 22 Mar 94 00:13:08 EST

Contents:
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [ (Alasdair Grant)
  Which gettty does slackware 1.1.1 use? (Denton Bobeldyk)
  Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
  help with a mouse problem. (Damage Inc.)
  AMD 386/40 + ULSI 387/40 crashes intermittantly (Will Smith)
  Re: Mouse (Ron Smits)
  Re: Installing xdm & xdm wouldn't let anyone in (R.D. Auchterlounie)
  Looking for two X games (Spawn)
  Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering") (Rob Janssen)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Bernie Thompson)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (David Lesher)
  Never mind about xtank, but still xjewel (Spawn)
  Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (Warner Losh)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Li (Rick Emerson)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Linux 1.0 comes out on same day Apple announces new machines (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Sparc vs. 486/Pentium [WAS:Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors] (Rick Kelly)
  Re: I'm developing UMSDOS Linux Pkg. (Peter Busser)
  Re: name lookup with term? (R. Stewart Ellis)
  RIP graphics (Peter Jones)

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 18:39:06 GMT

In article <2mj7ll$58c@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson) says:
+---------------
| At least it sounds like SCO comes with a compiler, unlike SunOS 5.x
| (cheap bastards that they must be, can ANYONE give me a good reason
| besides greed that they left out such an important tool?)
+------------->8

None for reasonable people.  Unfortunately, having chosen to target the
business market with Solaris, they must cope with unreasonable bean-counters
who cannot be convinced that a compiler that comes with the operating system
is free --- and since *they* will never use it, it should be left out so they
won't be charged for it.  (No, this is not sensible.  See the first sentence.)

This was discussed in comp.unix.solaris some time back, and should probably
return there (if not to alt.flame).

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca

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From: ag129@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 18:05:15

In article <1994Mar21.141547.19212@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>This is like the great int13 hard disk saga but worse. It's almost 
>impossible to do without emulating the whole of DOS. 

So?  Emulate the whole of DOS.  What's the problem?

>In addition read your netware license carefully. I seem to remember 
>the DOS client is licensed for DOS only.

Is a Linux DOS emulator any less of a DOS than, say, DR-DOS?

>Linux supports both NFS (client/server) and Lan Manager/Pathworks/WfWg 
>(server) so why support a company who are being awkward.

Because more people use their protocols than all others put together.

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From: dbobel98@uther.calvin.edu (Denton Bobeldyk)
Subject: Which gettty does slackware 1.1.1 use?
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 20:13:24 GMT

I'm interested in trying to setup my modem so I can dial out and connect o
my school's modem, and then use term.

        I read the Serial-HOWTO and it said to first upgrade to getty_ps2.0.7b
I looked in my slakcware 1.1.1 distribution and in /usr/doc/getty_ps there
is a bunch of stuff on getty_ps 2.0.7b.  But there is no getty_ps in /usr/bin
or any other bin dir.  When I installed getty it said it was version 2.0.7b,
but now I'm confused.
        Also there are no files in /etc/default/ as the HOWTO mentions.
(i.e. gettty, gettty.ttySX)
        
        Any help from anybody that has done this already would be GREATLY
appreciated.

        -Thanks
                DJB

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From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Subject: Re: *** DON'T READ THIS BEFORE POSTING ***
Date: 21 Mar 1994 15:57:08 +0100

In <2md0e7$83j@bovina.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:

>In article <2mafiq$10i@xivic.bo.open.de>,
>Wolfgang Schelongowski <ws@xivic.bo.open.de> wrote:
...
>messages.  (I had 1700 this morning, and I'd only been out of touch
>for a week or so.)
...
>>The moment there is an auto-moderated c.o.l.{help,misc,...} variant
>>this site will longer receive c.o.l.{help,misc,...} ...

>And miss postings like mine?  How could you stand it? :-)

By that time c.o.l.m will have about 1000 posts per _day_ ... with
about 900 _slightly_ different subjects. So I'll have to stand it,
no matter what I do (1/2 :-) , 1/2 :-( )
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  ws@xivic.bo.open.de
"Hi, Bill. You sound a bit depressed to me."
"It's worse than that. I'm dead, Jim."
  -- Terry Pratchett, Johnny and the Dead

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From: n2od@jupiter.unb.ca (Damage Inc.)
Subject: help with a mouse problem.
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 18:05:49 GMT

I need some help with installing linux.  I just installed it, but I
can't get my mouse to work.  I am using an ATI VGAWonder24 XL that has
its one bus mouse.  I tried setting it to ati busmouse from setup, but
it didn't do anything.  Can anyone help?

Steve Ramsay
n2od@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca


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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,gnu.gcc.bug
From: wos@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Will Smith)
Subject: AMD 386/40 + ULSI 387/40 crashes intermittantly
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 10:43:35 GMT

I've had a AMD 386/40 running Linux for over a year now, and have
just added a ULSI 387/40.  Now I get intermittant crashes when using
programs that do floating point operations.  The FPU definitely speeds things
up when it's not behaving strangely.  I have almost no DOS
software, so have not been able to try it under DOS.

Hopefully relevant information:

o)      I'm using gcc/g++ 2.4.5, libc 4.4.1 and linux 0.99pl15
o)      The motherboard had one co-processor socket, 3 pins wide all round
        (the ULSI 387 only used 2 pins all round).  The socket was labelled
        Cyrix 387. 
o)      The CMOS setup had options for 'test 387' (now set to YES) and
        Cyrix coprocessor installed (now set to NO).
o)      The ghostscript problem some people seem to have with AMD486's
        doesn't seem to be relevant.  Ghostview correctly brought up a
        45 page document with figures etc.
o)      Programs that seem to crash so far are:
        xearth  (immediately)
        the flame and hopalong fractals in xscreensaver (after a variable
                time)
o)      I'm running the crashing programs under a non-root account.
o)      The crash seems to occur instantly, quite often the HD light remains
        on (probably because my system is often swapping) and Num-Lock
        light fails to respond to keypress.  C-A-D does not work.

If I need to take the ULSI back and get say a tried and trusted Intel,
what sort of Law can I use?  There's a 'Sales of Goods Act' here in the
UK which says that a product must perform the function for which it was
sold.  The shop might try to blame Linux though.

Any ideas?

-- 
William O. Smith -- Warwick Univ, UK    
         wos@uk.ac.warwick.dcs



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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: Mouse
Date: 21 Mar 1994 09:36:59 GMT

Donald Likes (likes@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu) wrote:
: I 've looked every where for a faq or HOWTO on how to enable a mouse
: but I haven't seen anything other than a bus mouse can someone point
: me in the right direction.

: I have a trackman 3 button serial mouse.

: Thanks

: Craig.

--

What whould you like to know?. I have a Logitech trackman 3 button serial 
mousething, it's connected to /dev/ttyS2 which is linked to /dev/mouse. 

Selection works with the default settings. X works with the mouse defined as:
--Snip from Xconfig--
MouseMan    "/dev/mouse"
BaudRate  9600
--Snip ends--

Works like charm, doesn't annoy my cat (he hates mice), doesn't clutter my
desk and performs like a champion
                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                         -*/


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From: rda@eng.cam.ac.uk (R.D. Auchterlounie)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Installing xdm & xdm wouldn't let anyone in
Date: 21 Mar 1994 18:43:10 GMT

hobbsc@netcom.com (Craig A. Hobbs) writes:

>I'm running slackware 1.0.1 and have had the same problems with xdm.  I
>got the "Login incorrect" message until I changed my password to be
>something shorter than 7 chars.  Try making your password short and see
>if that clears it up.  I can't verify this from a source code point of
>view, but I'd bet that xdm is truncating passwords entered in.

>Craig

Correct - in fact _all_ login utils on most other *nixes truncate passwds
to 8 characters. The problem is that on linux login et.al have been 
compiled with support for double-length passwords, and thus for a password
of > 8 characters a double length encrypted string is placed in /etc/passwd
and xdm's verification then fails...

I think that the xdm with shadow-password support works OK in this respect
but the non-shadow changes didn't get made.

I have in fact patched my xdm to support double length passwords (note - not
with shadow passwords) - I'll post the code if anyone's interested. 

-ray
<rda@eng.cam.ac.uk>

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From: saw@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Spawn)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Looking for two X games
Date: 22 Mar 1994 00:12:52 GMT


Hi!  I am trying to find copies of Xjewel and the latest copy of Xtank
already compiled for Linux.  Can someone point me to them?  I know there
is an xtank at sunsite, but I don't think it is the latest version.  I 
have these two programs on my school account, will the binaries work in 
Linux?  Then I can just download them.  But I don't think they will.  Any
help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering")
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 22:53:32 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <1994Mar18.024732.9264@rpp386> jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <2m9cjn$jo1@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod) writes:
>>Oh, but I have to change my sentence from above: Your statement is
>>_not_ just plain wrong, it's just plain cynical. Of course I get a
>>fix 24 hours after it's made -- that makes 24 hours after eternity...

>Sometimes a fix is worse than the problem being fixed.  Yes, the system
>has the "wrong" behavior, but it is "wrong" behavior that everyone has
>come to know and love.  In the case of <sys/stat.h> it's a bad prototype
>that the entire system was compiled with ...

That only tells us the compiler is no good.

Rob
-- 
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From: bernie@bjt105.rh.psu.edu (Bernie Thompson)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 22 Mar 1994 01:09:17 GMT

: Ian Jackson (iwj@cam-orl.co.uk) wrote:

: : I think that this gives me a fairly clear mandate to go ahead; I'm not
: : going to apply the overmajority rules that apply to group creation.

I am guilty of not paying attention to this straw poll.
But clearly if something on a large scale is going to be
done, it should have an 'official' vote instead of a
straw poll.  I think too many people were ignoring
this debate (I was).  (I know, the straw vote did
have a large turnout)  

People need a place to talk about things .. important and
not so important.  Newsgroups are that place.  With Linux,
it seems the serious stuff is in the mailing lists.  This
is right since mailing lists are more complicated to access
than newsgroups.  Newsgroups have to stay simple and open,
or it's going to hurt Linux.  'They're a bunch of 
anal-retentives who yell at you for posting.' is what people
will think, if not say.

Let newsgroups be newsgroups. And let people post what they
want.

--
Bernie Thompson -- Internet connected with Linux via PSU dorm ethernet
                   PSU Linux WWW: http://bjt105.rh.psu.edu/www.html     

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From: wb8foz@netcom.com (David Lesher)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 18:38:27 GMT

>an English speaker. Just like Minix. Unfortuantely, Linux has a 'u' in it
>so lih-nihks would have to be concluded as wrong. No?


Look, let's solve this problem before it gets worse.

We need a new name for Linus and Linux that WILL pronounce in
one easy way, world wide. (I.e. - another "Exxon").

Then all we have to do is beat him up until he petitions the
King to use his new name.

Ok?

-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close...........(v)301 56 LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close)....kibo# 777............pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead..............vr....................20915-1433

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From: saw@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Spawn)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Never mind about xtank, but still xjewel
Date: 22 Mar 1994 01:02:45 GMT

Well, I now realize tht the xtank in sunsite _is_ the latest vesion.
Sorry about that.  But I still can't find xjewel.  Any ideas?

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 01:09:01 GMT

In article <CMzw69.92K@tower.nullnet.fi> Ismo.Peltonen@tower.NullNet.FI writes:
>> * FreeBSD has a more polished look and feel.  Linux definately looks and
>> feels like a beta product.  FreeBSD seems to have consistancy where
>> Linux does not.
>
>What do people mean with this (`looks and feels like a beta/not finished')?
>What in Linux makes that unfinished look'n'feel?

From my point of view it is the building of a system.  On FreeBSD, all
I type is "make world," then go out for the night.  When I come back,
all my user level utilities have been build and installed (in addition
to libraries, include files, etc).  For Linux I must have missed
something because I've never seen a source distribution I could do
this with (feel free to prove me wrong).  This is due, I think, to the
fact that there is exactly one core distribution and an central group
running the show that is responsible (as a group) for the entire
system.

Also, the many different distributions on Linux is confusing and adds
to the perception that it isn't quite there yet in terms of the
integration part of the project.  FreeBSD has one place to get the
sources for the entire system, while I have to grab sources from
hither and yon for Linux.  I can't grab n tar balls of source from
somewhere and expect one make command to compile and install the
system.

Finally, I can get the latest sources to FreeBSD every night and
rebuild w/minimal effort, since there is one place for the sources for
the entire system.  I just sup new sources, and type make and I'm off.
I usually get and install new sources about once a week, however,
because a build does take quite a while.

I've also seen various nits wrt files and file placement on Linux that
may have gone away.

Don't get me wrong.  The binary distributions of Linux are nice, but
sometimes you just wanna have the warm fuzzies that you only get with
a fully integrated build enviornment.

To be sure, this is a minor point.  It was the first thing I noticed
about FreeBSD when I started using it.

Warner

P.S.  the usual disclaimer about FreeBSD v NetBSD: They are likely the
same, but I haven't used NetBSD and I indent it no slight by my
comments.
-- 
Warner Losh             imp@boulder.parcplace.COM       ParcPlace Boulder
"... but I can't promote you to "Prima Donna" unless you demonstrate a few
 more serious personality disorders"

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Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Li
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 18:28:00 -0640

 @SUBJECT:Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring          N
IW> Message-ID: <2mk21e$3dd@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>
IW> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc,news.groups
IW> From: iwj@cam-orl.co.uk (Ian Jackson)
IW> Organization: Linux Unlimited
IW> 
IW> In article <1994Mar18.180935.17061@cs.cornell.edu>,
IW> Ron "Asbestos" Dippold <rdippold@qualcomm.com> wrote:
IW> >     STRAW POLL RESULTS
IW> >                     Linux groups automonitoring
IW> > Yes   No : Group
IW> >---- ---- : -------------------------------------------
IW> > 284  189 : comp.os.linux.misc
IW> > 315  165 : comp.os.linux.help
IW> > 333  146 : comp.os.linux.admin
IW> > 317  155 : comp.os.linux.development
IW> 
IW> 
IW> I think that this gives me a fairly clear mandate to go ahead; I'm not
IW> going to apply the overmajority rules that apply to group creation.

No, sir, you have NO such madate except in your own imagination!  You
have the results of a straw poll which suggests a possible trend and
NOTHING MORE!  

IW> As I said during the discussion period, I've been convinced that
IW> Subject line tags are more technically feasible than Keywords at the
IW> moment (shame on you, newsreader authors).
IW> 
IW> I'll therefore arrange for the monitoring program to expect Subject
IW> lines of the form
IW>   Subject: [keyword] rest of subject
IW> (this is used in several other groups).
IW> 
IW> I'd like your input on the list of Keywords the daemon would *not*
IW> send mail about.  I'll shortly be posting in news.groups a list of
IW> possible keywords to stimulate discussion; any suggestions here or by
IW> email would be welcome.
IW> 
IW> Note that discussion of this probably belongs in news.groups;
IW> comp.os.linux.misc is crowded enough already.

Too right this list is crowded, crowded with your presumptions and
assinine interventions!  

IW> --
IW> Ian Jackson  iwj@cam-orl.co.uk ..!uknet!cam-orl!iwj  These opinions are m
IW> 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge CB4 3LS.                        + 44 223 575
IW> Cambridge University Computer Laboratory, New Musems Site.   + 44 223 334
IW> Email also via: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu   PGP2 public key available on req

Richard B. Emerson  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * "O, for a pin that would puncture pretension!" I. Asimov


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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 23:13:35 GMT

Sarr J. Blumson (sarr@citi.umich.edu) wrote:

: 2) The C compiler is Microsoft, not Gnu or any other descendant of UNIX
: compilers.  It's DOS roots show soemtimes (eg, somebody's complaint about not
: being able to havce a two line path name on a library) but never in a way
: that I couldn't fudge around.  On the other hand, it's a big win if you're
: doing cross development for DOS.

cc = Microsoft C

rcc = AT&T C

They are both supplied with the devsys.


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 23:35:08 GMT

merlin (merlin@neuro.usc.edu) wrote:
: >1) It is System V, not BSD.  

: Most of the code we encounter which contains flags for compilation on any
: other AT&T system compile without problems on SCO.

: >2) The C compiler is Microsoft, not Gnu or any other descendant of UNIX
: >compilers.  

: The cc compiler has roots from Microsoft DOS cc.  The rcc compiler comes
: from AT&T pcc (portable c compiler) -- UNIX heritage.  The icc compiler
: comes from Intel -- unknown roots -- perhaps UNIX ancestry.  

The icc compiler seems a little flaky.  It doesn't seem to produce
optimized code for the Pentium that is much of a win over cc.



-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Linux 1.0 comes out on same day Apple announces new machines
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 00:06:23 GMT

Daniel Z. Davidson (danield@nevada.edu) wrote:
: >>I overheard on NPR that Apple announced their new line of PowerPC
: >>computers today. It was touted that the prices/performance challenged
: >>Intel's Pentium. I thought it was ironic, coincidental, interesting
: >>that Linux 1.0 would make its debut on the same day. With all the
: >>applications that can be ported to Linux, it will be interesting to
: >>see how the different OS environments evolve.
: >
: >Now lets get Linux ported to the Power PC before Windows NT :)

: Too late. Several of the PowerPC based systems in the Motorola Booth at 
: last fall's Comdex were Running Windows NT. Not to meniton OS/2, AIX and 
: MacOS.

We've had an IBM PowerPC in the computer room at work for about 6 months.
It's running AIX, has 64 megs of memory and a 1 gig disk, and it is stuffed
in a fairly thin pizza box.




-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Sparc vs. 486/Pentium [WAS:Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors]
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 22:33:37 GMT

Evan Leibovitch (evan@telly.on.ca) wrote:
: In article <9403140708.01@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:

: >We have 450 to 500 people on site.
: >We are running INN with 3000+ newsgroups.  Feed is by NNTP.  We also feed
: >some news out by NNTP to one of our European offices, with more to come.
: >Mail also goes through this system.
: >There are often 20 users connected to the system with xrn/nntp, and two
: >other systems running nnmaster point at this machine.

: >It is a robust, reliable system that chugs along 7 days a week, 24 hours
: >a day.

: >I don't feel that Intel PC hardware would be reliable enough to do the
: >job in this case.

: Upon what is this conclusion based?

The network of SCO, Netware and SVR4 systems that I work with every day.

I see these systems slow to a crawl with loads that don't even phase a
Sun ELC.  The Intel boxes are all 486DX/33 or 486DX2/66.  I have 3 ALR
dual processor boxes that are running SCO ODT 3.0 and MPX.  They are
strong machines with 36 megs of memory in each, but since SCO treats them
as ISA machines they actually lose some performance.


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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From: peter@globv1.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: I'm developing UMSDOS Linux Pkg.
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 14:21:29 GMT

jmorris@darkstar.rastek.com (Jim Morris) writes:

>I believe that he requires you to have 8MB or RAM to install with UMSDOS,
>because if your hard disk is formatted for DOS, odds are you are not going to
>be able to create a swap partition for the install process to use.

What about a swap file?

Groetjes,
Peter Busser

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From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis)
Subject: Re: name lookup with term?
Date: 22 Mar 94 02:48:50 GMT

philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown) writes:

 >By the way.. some nice people pointed out the existance of "Mosaic+term".

 >one little problem. I don't have a linux system. I have a SPARC system.

 >Can someone tell me whre I could get source?

 >  **************************************************
 >Off the subject ramble:

 >1) It would be really nice if linux developers would get into the UNIX
 >mentality, and always distribute the source, instead of just binaries.

 >2) it would be nice to have a more general "routed for term" type of
 >thing, instead of hacking specific binaries like telnet, ftp, and mosaic
 >one by one.


 >-- 
 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 >Philip Brown, CIS major, UC Santa Cruz
 >Author of "kdrill", and "xmandel"
 >Winging my way out of academia soon...
 >philb@cats.ucsc.edu philb@soda.berkeley.edu

Try chimera at ftp.cs.unlv.edu.  It is fast and will configure for term on
Sun very easily.

I have contributed to porting a Mosaic 2.0 port to term to Mosaic 2.1, but
my primary home Sun machine is dead and I cannot find the ftp site.  You
would have to have Motif, which is unnecessary for chimera.  Chimera can get
confused by some gopher stuff still, but it is getting relatively solid.

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From: thanatos@drealm.drealm.org (Peter Jones)
Subject: RIP graphics
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 22:43:28 +0000

Hi.

I co-wrote and co-run a conferencing system under unix.  We're thinking
we might move to Linux at some point.

At the same time, we've been playing with RIP graphics (RIPterm and
RIPsketch) under DOS.

I posted a message in the unix newsgroup about RIP and got absolutely
zero response, so I'm hoping the Linux users will be a bit more in touch
with our DOS-using colleagues.

Is anyone working on writing a console driver that understands RIP?

I would envisage this living under a virtual session, so that the
terminal could be easily killed if things went horribly wrong :-).  I
would desperately hope that it was *NOT* under X, as there's no point
in doing so!  (Also, on a multi-user system, X takes up far too much
system resource.)

Sadly, what with my day-job and writing and running a conferencing
system, it would take me far too long to fit something like this in.
(One day I'll write a device driver and relink my kernel and it will
work................)

-- Peter

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