Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #849
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Linux-Misc Digest #849, Volume #1                Tue, 22 Mar 94 02:13:08 EST

Contents:
  libm.so in libc-4.5.21 (dgb@galileo.phys.washington.edu)
  Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Li (Steve Sheldon)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Rick Emerson)
  Graphical Editor. (Rick Emerson)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Rick Emerson)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Rick Emerson)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Rick Emerson)
  Linus SPEAKS ! (Laszlo Herczeg)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Robert Sanders)
  Does linux support diskless booting? (Roseanne Hennessey)
  Re: DOOM for X (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  Re: Linux/Angband 2.5 (Pete Berger)
  Re: Boca multiport boards (BB-100X) (Rob Janssen)
  Re: I'm developing UMSDOS Linux Pkg. (tad)

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From: dgb@galileo.phys.washington.edu
Subject: libm.so in libc-4.5.21
Date: 21 Mar 94 15:54:55 GMT

The new distribution  of libc-4.5.21 moves libm.so to /usr/lib from
/lib.  I have /usr on a different partition which is not always
mounted (when doing maintenance for example).  

Won't I run into problems running executibles on the root partition
when /usr is unmounted?  Doesn't this require that all executibles
on the root partition be statically linked?  Is it standard for
the Makefiles for utilities in /sbin, /etc, and /bin to do static
linking?

What is the recommended way to get around this?  

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From: sheldon@soils.agron.iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Li
Date: 21 Mar 94 16:18:58 GMT

RLOKER01@IC1D.HARRIS.COM  (ROBERT C. LOKERSON) writes:

>For sure... Microsoft arranged an evaluation copy of LANMANAGER 2.2.0 for SCO
>and it (mostly) worked ok... Two small problems with our ultimate objectives
>led me to find out the deal with SCO support.  My company is a major VAR for
>SCO products, but we dont have a support contract, so no one will talk to me
>at SCO.  The receptionist _DID_ give me the names of two consultant companies
>which, she thought, might help me.  If that is the way SCO support works, I
>share all the above (emotions).

 Well, I guess it seems strange to be a major VAR, and not have some kind of
support agreement.

 But I just want to add that of most all the companies I deal with, if you
don't have a support agreement they aren't goign to listen to you.

 Everybody these days is charging for support.  Used to just be the small
speciality guys, like SCO, now it's WordPerfect, Microsoft, etc.

 I work with several applications for which the support charges range from
$500-1500 a year.

 We don't pay all of our support contracts.  Some of the software we don't
have problems with, or don't use enough to justify it.

 But, if your not paying for support, you really don't have much of a right to
complain about the quality of the support, or lack of it.


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Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 10:58:00 -0640

 @SUBJECT:Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.       N
MC> Message-ID: <2mckcm$lof@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>
MC> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
MC> From: mcrae@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Paul McRae)
MC> Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontar
MC> London, Ontario, Canada
MC> 
MC> In article <chWDi2i00iUzIArYwZ@andrew.cmu.edu>,
MC> Teng-Wen Chang  <tc38+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
MC> >> From: cavenewt@netcom.com (James F Small Jr)
MC> >> In article <2m9rnt$h6c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>
MC> >sarr@citi.umich.edu wr
MC> >> ites:
MC> >> >Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hou
MC> >> >that the JANA folks promised?
MC> >> >-- 
MC> >> Nope, I sent them a message, and haven't received anything back from t
MC> >>  
MC> >Me, either.
MC> >
MC> 
MC> I sent my order in less than 4 hours after the posting, the mail did not
MC> bounce, nor did I receive a reply.  I mailed jay@jana.com and have not
MC> received a reply from that either.
MC> 
MC> --Paul
MC> 

I finally received a note saying I was unfair for picking on JANA's
delay in replying.  With an attitude like that, I'll be very careful
before spending money there.  FWIW I finally received a note over the
weekend saying I was #3855.

Rick
  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * Murphy is out there... waiting...


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Subject: Graphical Editor.
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 10:58:00 -0640

KI> Message-ID: <2mcus7$kdr@agate.berkeley.edu>
KI> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
KI> From: kirill@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Kopilevich)
KI> Organization: University of California, Berkeley
KI> 
KI> 
KI> Hi, everybody.
KI> Does anyone know if there exists a graphical editor for linux?
KI> By that I mean something like edit in msdos 5.0-6.2
KI> I have seen an editor like that on HP workstation, but could not
KI> find a source code to port it on to PC.
KI> 
KI> Please reply by mail.  If I get a worthy reply I will post it.
KI> Thank you,
KI> Ken.
KI> 

Well, emacs under X is pretty close except it's cluttered up with
things like paragraph formatting, paren checking, mail handlers, and
other "fluff' (wink) edit passed on.  Seriously, emacs with a mouse is
probably your best bet.  You can get a good manual, published by FSF,
at most larger computer book stores.

Rick
  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * "Oh, for a pin that would puncture pretension!" -- I. Asimo


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Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 10:58:00 -0640

GR> Message-ID: <1994Mar20.164610.6158@rosevax.rosemount.com>
GR> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
GR> From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
GR> Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
GR> 
GR> Rick Emerson (rick.emerson@dscmail.com) wrote:
GR> 
GR> : 3J> I knew some one is going to post this but, I talked to christina an
GR> : 3J> she got over 1000 E-Mails in 24 Hrs. So you have to wait few more
GR> : 3J> 24 Hrs. :^)
GR> 
GR> : BZZZT!  If this is how JANA thinks they're going to improve things,
GR> : they have flunked big time.  How hard is it to write a perl script
GR> : that collects messages, ranks them by time received, mails a "you're
GR> : message #xxx, details follow" message, and when the count hits 500,
GR> : sends "so sorry, you're not in the magic 500, you're #xxx".  A little
GR> : forethought and planning is not too much to expect.
GR> 
GR> You mean their answering those messages by HAND?!?!  I assumed that
GR> they would have some kind of automated reply widget running that would
GR> do exactly what you suggested above.  They should have expected to be
GR> swamped by replies -- it wouldn't have taken more that a couple hours
GR> to set up an automated reply.

Exactly and, based on what I got back in (rebuttal? reply?), they are
replying by hand.  Which makes me want to think twice before placing
an order.

GR> 
GR> A friend here at work who is new to Linux asked my about the new offer
GR> from Jana.  I told him that they were known for missing deadlines and
GR> not shiping product -- but this time you didn't pay until you recieved
GR> the package, so I told him to go ahead and give it a shot.  
GR> 
GR> He hasn't gotten any reply yet.
GR> 

I think replies went out sometime late Friday or Saturday.  

Rick  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * Feather by feather the goose is plucked.


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Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 10:58:00 -0640

A_> Message-ID: <a_alonso.764223716@pv322b.vincent.iastate.edu>
A_> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
A_> From: a_alonso@iastate.edu (Alberto S Alonso)
A_> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
A_> 
A_> In <1994Mar20.164610.6158@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@hydro.rosemount.c
A_> (Grant Edwards) writes:
A_> 
A_> >Rick Emerson (rick.emerson@dscmail.com) wrote:
A_> 
A_> >: 3J> I knew some one is going to post this but, I talked to christina a
A_> >: 3J> she got over 1000 E-Mails in 24 Hrs. So you have to wait few more
A_> >: 3J> 24 Hrs. :^)
A_> 
A_> >: BZZZT!  If this is how JANA thinks they're going to improve things,
A_> >: they have flunked big time.  How hard is it to write a perl script
A_>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A_> 
A_> I don't know how hard it is, but I surely would like to know it. One of 
A_> the things that would be nice is if someone would post or direct me on
A_> how I can setup an automated response system, specially since  the system
A_> in my university is crashed more time  than up.

Unfortunately, if your system is down, there isn't much you can do
about an automatic "so sorry but my computer is dead and I can't talk
to you" widget because, well, the computer's dead, remember.
Otherwise, if you want a tool that says "I'm off having a life, I'll
read your mail when I get back" or a tool that blocks those damn
messages about how to post on this group, try procmail.  It compiles
easily and works like a champ.  Send a note to
berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de asking for a copy or a place to
ftp it from although it should be on all the usual sources.

A_> >: that collects messages, ranks them by time received, mails a "you're
A_> >: message #xxx, details follow" message, and when the count hits 500,
A_> >: sends "so sorry, you're not in the magic 500, you're #xxx".  A little
A_> >: forethought and planning is not too much to expect.
A_> 
A_> >You mean their answering those messages by HAND?!?!  I assumed that
A_> >they would have some kind of automated reply widget running that would
A_> >do exactly what you suggested above.  They should have expected to be
A_> >swamped by replies -- it wouldn't have taken more that a couple hours
A_> >to set up an automated reply.
A_> 
A_> >A friend here at work who is new to Linux asked my about the new offer
A_> >from Jana.  I told him that they were known for missing deadlines and
A_> >not shiping product -- but this time you didn't pay until you recieved
A_> >the package, so I told him to go ahead and give it a shot.  
A_> 
A_> Well, after four days (or something like that) I finally got my response,
A_> I don't know how their numbers work, but I send the reply when only 185
A_> persons had read the article  and my number  is over 3000.

Keep in mind that count only applies to where you are and not the
world at large.

A_> Well, hope this shows a little light in the misteries of life.
A_> 
A_> Alberto
A_> 

Rick  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * Where law ends, there tyranny begins.


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Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 10:58:00 -0640

SW> Message-ID: <764177392snxwomble@spuddy.UUCP>
SW> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
SW> From: sweh.womble@spuddy.UUCP (Stephen Harris)
SW> Organization: None
SW> 
SW> In article <94077.2048593JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA wr
SW> >1). Not every one is a perl expert.
SW> 
SW> True.  And having started programming in perl, this is understandable.
SW> A "write only" language this surely is...
SW> Powerful it may be, but maintaining other peoples scripts.....eek!

I dunno... there are some constructs in perl, "tr/a-z/A-Z/" comes to
mind, which are confusing to people who don't use perl regularly but
heck "your own code, if you haven't read it in a week, is
indistinguishable from anyone else's."  <grin>

SW> >3). We should pass the 1500 mark this weekend, every one will
SW> >get a account number on Monday. And the price is still $29.95
SW> >We are geting few temps on monday to get the dataentry done.
SW> 
SW> Further more, because of propogation delays, such a system is surely
SW> unfair.  Advertising a "first come first served" system on Usenet is a
SW> pretty much waste of time.  A lot of Linux users are people who can't
SW> afford super-fast feeds, and may be stuck at the end of a UUCP link that
SW> has a propogation delay of a couple of days.

Well, that's just the luck of the draw and even though I know I'm way
back in the queue, I'm really not unhappy about the situation.  "You
win some, you lose some," eh?

SW> Jay extending the offer until Monday is excellent advertising.  And
SW> if he gets if done right will bolster Janas image enormously!

This is the first I heard of this!

SW> >PS : You have not even paid any thing yet so why are you worried :^).
SW> 
SW> Err, actually my mail to jana.com cost me GBP0.15 - not every one has fre
SW> email :-(
SW> 

TINSTAAFL -- There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

Rick  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * I think.  Now what?

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From: las@ionews.io.org (Laszlo Herczeg)
Subject: Linus SPEAKS !
Date: 21 Mar 1994 22:05:26 -0500



I just got the two .au files from nic.funet.fi containing Linus' 
own pronounciation of "Linux".
 
This is great fun, check it out, it evoked my belly laugh like nothing
else in a long time.
 
He just says: Helooooo, this is Linus Torvalds and I pronounce Linux as
Linux. <chop,chop,chop :)

-- 
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Nothing fails like success.
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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 22 Mar 94 03:49:14 GMT

wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:

>gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU (Robert Sanders) writes:
>> Now don't tell me that you pronounce "Linus" with the "lin" sounding
>> like "lint"?

>Er..., that _is_ how I pronounce it, except that the i is longer than
>the one in lint.  And Linus pronounces it the same way.

>Charlie Brown and his friends are wrong!

ARGGGGH!  I was responding to a Brit who was criticizing Americans for
making the 'i' long.  'You' in this case was *not* inclusive.  I was
merely explaining why many Americans pronounce it with a long 'i'.  Geez.
I know it's a high-volume group, guys, but if you're going to read something,
pay attention to it.

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From: rhenness@mothra.syr.edu (Roseanne Hennessey)
Subject: Does linux support diskless booting?
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 18:10:04 GMT

A few questions on the diskless boot front:
1) Does linux include bootservice code or is there bootserver code
available anywhere for linux? Has anyone addressed this issue in the
past?

The goal is to have linux machines provide boot service in a network.

2) Has anyone developed autoboot code for any of the dozens of network
interface cards that linux supports.  This code could then be (burned 
an EPROM and installed in the card) or downloaded into the card 
(depending on the requirements of the card).  We many of the supported
network interface cards have this capability, so why not exploit it?

The goal is to have a 386-based linux workstation with a network card
and NO hard disk boot from a network of (linux?) machines?  I think this
would be a significant enhancement to linux's capabilities.

--
Roseanne Hennessey
rhenness@mailbox.syr.edu
Dept. of Architecture,
Syracuse University

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 19:15:23 GMT

In article <1994Mar21.144650.11760@taylor.wyvern.com> mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>borsburn@mcs.kent.edu (Bret Orsburn) writes:
>
>

>>If X terminals aren't cheaper than workstations, the motivation for using
>>them becomes *very* weak.
>
>They ARE cheaper than "workstations", first in the hardware cost, but as
>I just said above, companies typically will spend at least the cost of the
>hardware in maintenance and support services for workstations (or clones)
>each year.  Xterminals have a huge advantage in this area.

Well you can have PC **color** workstations which are cheaper and faster
than most or all X-terminals. For less than $3000 you can have 
a PC workstation with a Sony 17" capable of 1600x1200. As for maintenance
there are PC companies which provide on-site support (cheap).

        Mark, How is you linux system coming along :)
-- 
FREE unix, gcc, tcp/ip, X, open-look, interviews, tcl/tk, MIME, midi, sound
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From: peterb@foxholly.lm.com (Pete Berger)
Crossposted-To: rec.games.roguelike.angband
Subject: Re: Linux/Angband 2.5
Date: 21 Mar 1994 14:11:49 -0500

Pete Berger (peterb@foxholly.lm.com) wrote:

: I would like to correspond with anyone who has successfully compile 
: Angband 2.5 or higher on a Linux system.  I have compiled 2.5.5 on my 
: .99pl15f system, but it seg faults immediately in generate.c, line 1248.  
: Any suggestions, anyone?

After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I have gotten Angband 2.5.5 up 
and running correctly.  Diffs have been sent to Chuck, who I assume will 
integrate them into the next release.

: Peter Berger
: Telerama Public Access Internet


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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Boca multiport boards (BB-100X)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 23:14:08 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <2macc0$i5r@paperboy.osf.org> dswartz@pugsley.osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:

>As far as I can tell, the following isn't documented in any FAQ,
>particularly the Serial FAQ.  I've sent mail to the maintainer
>describing the following problem.  Until the updated HOWTO is sent
>out, here is a caveat which will hopefully save others from wasting
>precious time and money.

>The Serial FAQ mentions three multiport async boards from Boca.  These are
>a 4-port (BB-1004), an 8-port (BB-1008) and a 16-port (BB-2016).  There is
>support in the Linux kernel for this board and if configured and built the
>right way, the board is recognized properly when booting.  Here's the fly
>in the ointment though - the 4 and 8 port boards do not supports the signals
>necessary for modem control, particularly not DCD.  Basically, as was
>explained to me, this makes them useless, unless you're hooking terminals
>to them.  What makes this particularly frustrating is that this is not
>described in either any Linux documentation, or the Boca manual.  You just
>connect it to your modem and it doesn't work.  Super.  The 16-port card
>supposedly does, but this requires a breakout box and is significantly
>more expensive.  Apologies if anyone considers this a waste of bandwidth,
>but I know of at least 3 people who have fallen into this particular trap
>in the last couple of weeks.

I have a 6-port card from Boca (ioAT66) and it is fine for modems.
The 4 and 8 port boards indeed are only useful for terminals.  That
in fact was the most common use for such boards at the time they first
appeared (connect some terminals to a system running UNIX/XENIX)

I watched carefully when buying the board.  The dealer had to send a
FAX to Boca to get the details about the supported signals on the
ioAT66, as indeed their commercial flyers are useless.

Rob
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From: tad@iastate.edu (tad)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: I'm developing UMSDOS Linux Pkg.
Date: 22 Mar 94 05:03:18 GMT

In <1994Mar21.142129.14283@globv1.hacktic.nl> peter@globv1.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:

>jmorris@darkstar.rastek.com (Jim Morris) writes:

>>I believe that he requires you to have 8MB or RAM to install with UMSDOS,
>>because if your hard disk is formatted for DOS, odds are you are not going to
>>be able to create a swap partition for the install process to use.

>What about a swap file?

>Groetjes,
>Peter Busser

  I just used fips09 to non-destructively create a swap partition at the end
of my drive.  It worked for me.  























-- 
tad
tad@iastate.edu

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