Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #854
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Linux-Misc Digest #854, Volume #1                Wed, 23 Mar 94 07:14:58 EST

Contents:
  Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Bill Davidsen)
  Am I seeing things? (Shawn Michael Ferris)
  Re: Xconfig: truecolor/pseudocolor/staticcolor what does it mean ? (Frank Lofaro)
  Re: pronunciation of linux (Barzilai Spinak)
  How do I remove LILO after ptting DOS back on my machine (Michael Nelson)
  Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering") (John F. Haugh II)
  libc 4.5.24??? (Bogdan Urma)
  (none) (Ludger Kunz)
  3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt - WHERE??? (Erik Demaine)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Charles B. Robey)
  Re: ethernet transmit timeout (Greg Trafton)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Scott C. Gray)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Martin Husemann)
  replacement (non-motif) for Mosaic! (Philip Brown)
  Re: How to compile cxterm ? (Name withheld by request)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Terence Tan)

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: davidsen@sixhub.tmr.com (Bill Davidsen)
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Reply-To: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:27:29 GMT

In article <1994Mar18.172310.10200@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

| | If I had my druthers, I'd use AIX.  IBM has come full circle and cleaned up
| +------------->8
| 
| I dunno about that... IBM may have learned about open systems, but the reports
| I hear from the field about AIX suggest that it is even less Unix-compatible
| than SCO is :-)  Of course, they may be waiting to fix it in the AIX
| personality of Workplace OS, but I'll believe that when I see it.

  AIX is not all that bad on compatibility, but the sysadm bears little
resemblance to UNIX, and the patch procedures are slow beyond belief. I
can install SCO or UNISYS complete in less than half the time it takes
to apply a patch tape from IBM.
-- 
Bill Davidsen, davidsen@tmr.com      |  C programming, PC based UNIX, data
    TMR Associates, +1 518-370-5654  |  acquisition, device drivers.
_____________________________________|______________________________________
New England Winter 93-94: Many are cold but few are frozen

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From: dg100@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Shawn Michael Ferris)
Subject: Am I seeing things?
Date: 23 Mar 1994 04:48:16 GMT
Reply-To: dg100@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Shawn Michael Ferris)



I once thought I saw a posting about a book in the stores about Linux.
Is there such a beast? Or am I just dreaming? If such a thing exists, could someone mail me an ISBN number or the title of it? Much appreciated! 

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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: Xconfig: truecolor/pseudocolor/staticcolor what does it mean ?
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 04:13:35 GMT

I once had the wrong colortype set in Xconfig. Everyttthing looked horrid, 
like 8 reds, 8 greens and 4 blues (2^3*2^3*2^2=2^8) like all the color info 
was squished into one byte. My gifs and backgrounds looked horrid, and 
xv was saying only 12 colors unique out of 65, etc, etc. I was going crazy 
until I found that line and changed it to something which made things 
look decent again.


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From: barspi@wam.umd.edu (Barzilai Spinak)
Subject: Re: pronunciation of linux
Date: 23 Mar 1994 05:27:46 GMT

In article <2mjfn0$gbg@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>,
Kevin Lentin <kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>On 19 Mar 1994 18:16:26 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>> gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU (Robert Sanders) writes:
>> > Now don't tell me that you pronounce "Linus" with the "lin" sounding
>> > like "lint"?
>
>> Er..., that _is_ how I pronounce it, except that the i is longer than
>> the one in lint.  And Linus pronounces it the same way.
>
>> Charlie Brown and his friends are wrong!
>
>But I gather from your internet address that you aren't a native English
>speaker. That was the point of the argument. Linus' pronounsciation may be
>correct but it still sounds very strange to a native English speaker in an
>English speaking country. I don't see why we can't come up with a decent
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^
>pronounciation for English speakers. We do it wioth other foreign words!
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Do you REALLY REALLY think so? :-)
Anyway, I don't see why this sounds so strange for English speakers. You are
not saying any sound that doesn't exist in English. You know how to say an
"L", how to say "EE", how to say "N", how to say "OO" how to say "K" and how
to say "S". Now say it everything together. That's the closest you will
get to the correct pronunciation. But actually I don't know finnish and have
never listened to Linus' sound file. I just used a little common sense.

+---------------------------------+
|        Barzilai Spinak          |
|   .....      barspi@wam.umd.edu |
|  (-O-O-)     barspi@eng.umd.edu | 
+nnn--U--nnn----------------------+


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From: nelson@hamlet.uncg.edu (Michael Nelson)
Subject: How do I remove LILO after ptting DOS back on my machine
Date: 23 Mar 1994 05:15:52 GMT

I had a friend of mine help me take linux off my machine and he decided 
the best way was to just format the drive and fdisk it.....WRONG....Now I 
can't boot my machine without a floppy.....is there anyway I can get rid 
of LILO with out sacraficing what is on my Hard drive right now????  I'm 
in desperate need of getting rid of this Crap......btw NEVER let a friend 
use your machine unless they know exactly what they're doing....trust me 
I know from experience......please reply by mail......I don't generally 
catch this newsgroup....BUT I'll keep looking....thanks in advance

mike
nelson@hamlet.uncg.edu
nelson@iris.uncg.edu
nelson@plato.uncg.edu
nelson@everywhere.....hmmm is that really an address???

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: compiler quality (was "Reverse-engineering")
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 03:59:42 GMT

In article <1994Mar21.225332.11447@pe1chl.ampr.org> pe1chl@rabo.nl writes:
>In <1994Mar18.024732.9264@rpp386> jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>Sometimes a fix is worse than the problem being fixed.  Yes, the system
>>has the "wrong" behavior, but it is "wrong" behavior that everyone has
>>come to know and love.  In the case of <sys/stat.h> it's a bad prototype
>>that the entire system was compiled with ...
>
>That only tells us the compiler is no good.

Uh, how did you reach that conclusion?  How exactly do you propose for
"make" to deduce that a change to a header isn't going to result in a
change in generated object code before the compiler is invoked?  And
presuming you can't do that (would be a neat trick ...), are you proposing
that the compiler somehow NOT recompile the sources it was instructed by
"make" to recompile?  And once the compiler recompiles those sources, is
make now supposed to not rebind the new object using the dependency rules
which indicate that an object newer than the executable which depends on
that object is to be rebound with those new objects.

Sorry, the problems with updating <sys/stat.h> have nothing to do with
the quality of the compiler.
-- 
John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
 There are three documents that run my life: The King James Bible, the United
 States Constitution, and the UNIX System V Release 4 Programmer's Reference.

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From: bogdan@cornell.edu (Bogdan Urma)
Subject: libc 4.5.24???
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:25:32

   

     I just(many hours of FTP'ing) got the SLACKWARE 1.2.0 distribution, and 
I noticed that it says that it contains libc 4.5.24. However I can't find 
this anywhere on sunsite!! Sunsite seems to have 4.5.21! Where did Patrick 
Volkerding get these libraries?

Just curious,
Bogdan Urma
=============================================================================
                 E-mail: bog@server-gw.phy.cornell.edu 

                           --**PHYSICS**--
                         Cornell University
=============================================================================

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From: ludger.kunz@fernuni-hagen.de (Ludger Kunz)
Subject: (none)
Date: 23 Mar 1994 04:13:58 -0500
Reply-To: ludger.kunz@fernuni-hagen.de (Ludger Kunz)

Please unsubscribe me from the list.

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Lehrgebiet ES         |  / |/   /_  \  |EMAIL:                      
Frauenstuhlweg 31     | /  |\  /     \ |ludger.kunz@fernuni-hagen.de
58644 Iserlohn        |/___|_\/_______\|

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From: edemaine@ug.cs.dal.ca (Erik Demaine)
Subject: 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt - WHERE???
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:12:38 GMT

I saw the title "3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt" and I've heard of this deal for
$30.. Where can I get it? Where can I get information on it?
Please mail me at edemaine@ug.cs.dal.ca, for I cannot check the news often.

advTHANXance,
Erik Demaine
--
++====================================================================++
|| Erik Demaine                       edemaine@cs.dal.ca              ||
|| edemaine@ug.cs.dal.ca              01ERIK@ac.dal.ca                ||
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From: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Charles B. Robey)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: 21 Mar 1994 23:41:40 GMT

Warner Losh (imp@boulder.parcplace.com) wrote:
: In article <2mfun0$j4d@universe.digex.net> philp@universe.digex.net
: (Phil Perucci) writes: 
: >I understand the Win32 API (one of it's incarnations) will be sort of
: >an industry standard, at least on Microsoft and Unix platforms. 

: The Win32 API is not a standard on Unix.  OSF/Motif is the standard
: API for C programmers on Unix.  I don't think that OSF will go quietly
: into that good night, now that they are the de facto standard API.

Oh, for pete's sake.  Motif is just one standard among many.  It's not
the anything.  If they wanted it to be the real standard, they'd have
made it public.  What about fvwm, or FWF, or any of the other
APIs.  What about non-X?  That really sounds terribly one-sided.
Motif is great, but not THE standard.

--
Chuck Robey                 | Interests include any kind of voice or data 
chuckr@eng.umd.edu          | communications topic, C programming, and Unix.
7608 Topton St.             |
New Carrollton, MD 20784    |
(301) 459-2316              |
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From: trafton@clarity.Princeton.EDU (Greg Trafton)
Subject: Re: ethernet transmit timeout
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 21:30:16 GMT

In article <1994Mar22.170332.24382@ED.RAY.COM> heiser@TDWR.ED.RAY.COM (Bill Heiser) writes:

>In SLACKWARE 1.1.2 with kernel v1.0, the following occurs:

>Mar 15 15:06:34 wpc18 kernel: eth0: transmit timed out, TX status 0xc, ISR 0x0.
>Mar 15 15:06:34 wpc18 kernel: eth0: Possible network cable problem?
>Mar 15 15:06:34 wpc18 kernel: eth0: Transmitter access conflict.

>OR

>Mar 22 08:12:15 wpc18 kernel: eth0: transmit timed out, TX status 0xc, ISR 0x0.
>Mar 22 08:12:15 wpc18 kernel: eth0: Possible network cable problem?

>When this occurs, the system is no-longer able to communicate with the
>network, and the system needs to be rebooted.  I have pretty-much ruled
>out a local hardware problem because the same symptoms occur on another
>LINUX machine here.

>This is a 486/33/16mb with a 3C503 card.

>Has anyone else seen this?

>Thanks in advance,

Hmmm...  Very strange!  I've been working on a system with the 3c503
for a while now and haven't had this problem...until last night.  Last
night for the first time in a month I got this same message.  It had
been working fine before, working since, so kind of weird.  In any
case, I have seen this before and I also would be interested in
finding out what is going on...

>Bill
>-- 
>Bill Heiser   Work-> heiser@tdwr.ed.ray.com    Home-> bill@bhhome.ci.net 

Greg Trafton
(trafton@clarity.princeton.edu)

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From: gray@pong.nas.nasa.gov (Scott C. Gray)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 00:11:27 GMT

In article <2maqbu$nr6@news.delphi.com>,
TRESTRAIL@DELPHI.COM <trestrai@news.delphi.com> wrote:
>sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson) writes:
>
>>Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten the "response within 24 hours"
>>that the JANA folks promised?
>
>Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten a "response" _at all_, or is
>JANA just doing business as usual? :(
>

I suppose that I am one of the lucky few...yes, I got a response!

scott

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 00:00:05 GMT

In article <CMzqCK.MMC@boulder.parcplace.com> imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) writes:
>In article <2mfun0$j4d@universe.digex.net> philp@universe.digex.net
>(Phil Perucci) writes: 
>>I understand the Win32 API (one of it's incarnations) will be sort of
>>an industry standard, at least on Microsoft and Unix platforms. 
>
>The Win32 API is not a standard on Unix.  OSF/Motif is the standard
>API for C programmers on Unix.  I don't think that OSF will go quietly
>into that good night, now that they are the de facto standard API.
>

A  software stampede from Windows into Unix could  probably drown 
out any cries from OSF and push out  Motif:)

        Amancio



-- 
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at  freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD
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Home: (415) 495-3046       |  
e-mail hasty@netcom.com    |  ftp-site depository of all my work:    
ahasty@cisco.com           |  sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/X

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From: martin@euterpe.owl.de (Martin Husemann)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 22 Mar 1994 22:02:13 +0100

In <9403211813.35@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:

>cc = Microsoft C

>rcc = AT&T C

>They are both supplied with the devsys.

gcc = the working one. It's (quite) easily build with rcc... 

-- 

"Warum sollte jemand noch de.talk.jokes lesen, wenn er Zugriff auf
 de.comm.gateways hat?"  -- Vera Heinau

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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Subject: replacement (non-motif) for Mosaic!
Date: 23 Mar 1994 08:52:01 GMT



I saw a mention of this program on comp.windows.x
Under-publicised, but does just about everything that Mosaic does.

"chimera"

ftpable from
ftp.cs.unlv.edu

It doesn't have the "nifty" animated world.. but it's quite funtional, and
does not require motif.

Not only that, but it has optional "term" support built into it from the
start!


In short.. ALthough it does not have all the bells and whistles that
Mosaic does.. 
It will run on just about ANY system with X11 (R3, 4, or 5, even!)

It DOES have sound support.

Looks slightly tacky, but you can link with Xaw3d to get a 3d effect, I'm
told.

If you have to compile your own home www client, or want to play with
source, I highly advise you try chimera.

-- 
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Philip Brown, CIS major, UC Santa Cruz
Author of "kdrill", and "xmandel"
Winging my way out of academia soon...
philb@cats.ucsc.edu philb@soda.berkeley.edu

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From: anon123a@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Name withheld by request)
Subject: Re: How to compile cxterm ?
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:19:38 GMT

wei@psrc.isac.co.jp (Wei Hua) writes:


>Hi, Dear Linux experts:

>I am running Slackware Linux 1.1.2pl15 and XFree2.0 on my 
>PC 486DX2/66MHz. Yesterday I tried to compile the cxterm
>on Linux but I failed. I tried to add many "include" path
>by modifying Makefile, but I still failed. When I tried to
>compile cxterm source, I was told that CKILL, CTRIN, ...
>were not defined. I guest these constant "CKILL, CTRIN..."
>are included in a system include file. But I didn't know
>what name it is and where it locates ? If you have some
>experience on these area, please give me some help. 
>Thank you very much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Wei, Hua
>Technique Dept. ISAC, Inc.                           
>E-mail: wei@psrc.isac.co.jp

Try to add "#define SYSV 1" and "#definde  BSD 0" to the source. Pretending
your are running SYSV. It works  for me. The missing stuffs are BSD stuffs.

Yanming PENG
peng@mech.kuleuven.ac.be



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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: terence@hitech.po.my (Terence Tan)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:10:30 GMT

Steve Fuller (sfuller@picard.infonet.net) wrote:
: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald) writes:


: I've used Linux for about 7 months now and have recently started dealing with 
: SCO at my job and on the side as well. I would have to agree with the poster 
: on his points. Linux is a fine OS and as a cheap way to get introduced to the 
: basics of system administration and UNIX itself, as well as UUCP, SLIP, etc. 
: However for commercial applications support I'd have to pick SCO as well. 
: Both of these pieces of software have their appropriate place and as long as 
: people are wise enough to chose what will best suit their purposes, everyone 
: should be happy.....
Linux is great as an EMAIL server or a gateway server to the internet...
Linux is stable but not as stable as I would like it be(which is a lot more
stable than SCO). SCO however is a COMMERCIAL unix and has a lot of 
COMMERCIAL applications.. Until some firms decide to start using LINUX as
a possible commercial platform, SCO is a good bet..

: >That's why I said that he shouldn't consider Linux unless he was already
: >*very* familiar with it.  I know everything I need to know about Linux
: >(not much, but enough), but the original poster should consider what he's
: >getting into.


: -- 
: Steve Fuller                I will choose the path that's clear  
: sfuller@ins.infonet.net     I will choose freewill  -- N. Peart  
: INS User Development Group 

-- 
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