Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #856
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Date:     Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:14:10 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #856, Volume #1                Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:14:10 EST

Contents:
  Re: Term problem ... (Brad Pitzel)
  Re: On a 386? Re: Linux-1.0-inline-asm uploaded (Byron Thomas Faber)
  Hanging CSLIP with ftp (Nick Vargish)
  Slackware 1.2.0 YES! (Tero Paananen)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Mark Lord)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Mark Lord)
  Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (Philippe Steindl)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Mark Lord)
  Re: Linux on IBM PS/2 70 (TOURWE Tom)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (John E. Stump)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (John E. Stump)
  Re: Linux 1.0 comes out on same day Apple announces new machines (Alan Braggins)
  Re: Slackware HOWTO problem (Wolfgang R. Mueller)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Bill Campbell)
  Re: which utility (Alan Cox)
  Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [ (Alan Cox)

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From: pitzel@cs.sfu.ca (Brad Pitzel)
Subject: Re: Term problem ...
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 21:54:43 GMT

>+---- pcovell@bvsd.k12.co.us <Paul Covell> wrote:
>| u0xh@jupiter.unb.ca (Chris Newton CSD) writes:
>| 
>| 
>| >    I have tried everything... I have a supra 14.4K modem, with 
>| >LAP-M, v42bis, MNP-5, v32bis, the whole bit.  The only thing is, I cant 
>| >get more than 950 cps out of term (according to tmon).  I have the termrc 
>| >rc set to:
>| >compress off
>| >baudrate 38400
>| >window 8
>| >timeout 50
>| >escape 17
>| >escape 19
>| 
>| >    I have that termrc on both sides.  Even when I connect with 
>| >LAP-M, I only get 950.  
>| 
[snip]

I was having the exact problem: 900cps on a 14400 modem with compression.
The solution was to add 'escape 15' to the remote-end termrc. This allows me 
approx. 1600cps on transfers.

Moral?  escape 15 probably won't help you, since escape codes are different
for different systems.  But try 'escape 1-31' first on both ends and see
if that helps. Play around until you are 'escaping' the least # of characters
but are still getting a high transfer rate.

Also, increase window to 14 and timeout to 150 or 200.


good luck,
--brad
pitzel@cs.sfu.ca


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From: bf11620@ehsn3.cen.uiuc.edu (Byron Thomas Faber)
Subject: Re: On a 386? Re: Linux-1.0-inline-asm uploaded
Date: 23 Mar 1994 14:34:09 GMT

jepler@herbie.unl.edu (Jeff Epler) writes:

>I still have a 386 computer.  Are these optimizations going to affect
>speed for better or for worse on my system?

>Inquiring minds want to know.

>Jeff

>--
>Jeff Epler jepler@herbie.unl.edu (Preferred) or jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu
>____ "Nuke the unborn gay whales" -- Never seen on a protest sign
>\bi/ |umop apisdn| First year comp sci major.  CRPG addict. 
> \/  1.5<kinsey<2.5 IRC Synger  Running Linux 0.99.15d. DOS is evil

                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Umm..it'll probably cause you problems with that.  ;)

Byron
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From: vargish@yx.sura.net (Nick Vargish)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Hanging CSLIP with ftp
Date: 23 Mar 1994 14:38:41 GMT

Folks,

Here's the scoop... All I have to do to hang my CSLIP connection is
try to ftp an uncompressed xpilot map across the connection. Once I
compress the map (which I will include here), the transfer goes
smoothly.

I suspect it has something to do with long strings of identical
characters and the compression algorithm(s), but I'm basically taking
an educated guess (no facts or code-grazing to back me up).

I thought someone might be interested in this, assuming it's not some
boneheaded mistake on my part.

And by the way, I meant _hung_, so don't try this unless you're
willing to restart your CSLIP connection...

Nick Vargish

p.s. This is the map I was talking about, gzipped and uuencoded. It
should work gzipped, and fail ungzipped...

============================================ CUT HERE
begin 644 13.map.gz
M'XL(",!D'RP  S$S+FUA< #MW$]+PS 8!O![/L4+\: @TSJ5V9,#!07_X4$O
M@G1KW")M.K(ZMV]OIB"K;23.S:7S>=@I[_NVOQ6R0QCE=!D-J)NID="YB*DS
MH30:F,] :,;I>)-O;9S'(07-AEG<'E'0V*/@Z*BYL]O<V6M1<!CNM\*#%G6>
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From: p116711@cc.tut.fi (Tero Paananen)
Subject: Slackware 1.2.0 YES!
Date: 23 Mar 1994 14:35:25 GMT

Spent the last evening installing Slackware 1.2.0 and I have to say
that, if installing Linux was any easier, it would probably be illegal :)
Nice job Pat (and all the rest involved).

                        -TPP

PS. Anyone care to donate a HD, preferably larger than 310Mb :-)

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 23 Mar 1994 15:12:59 GMT

In article <1994Mar23.062159.28638@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
..
>Ian's proposal isn't going to stop ANYONE from posting ANYTHING. Please
>re-read the proposal.

Sure it is.  It is going to waste incredible email bandwidth, cluttering up
the inboxes of those unfortunate "experienced" users who reply to queries
which just don't happen to match Ian's arbitrary non-standard keyword mechanism.

>But you see, right now, the newsgroups aren't helping ANYONE. 

Really?  I suggest you do a little more research before making such
broad mis-assumptions as that.  You could even get a preview of what
Ian would be in for if he failed to reconsider his scheme:  just post
a visible request for a reply from "ANYONE" who has ever been helped
by the newsgroups..  

>Let's put it this way. Say that Linus, for some reason, were to include
>each and every patch into the kernel, regardless of whether it worked, 
...
Linus' kernel coordination is more analogous to a central newsserver,
which collects articles into appropriate newsgroups, ordering them and
assigning local article numbers, threads, etc..
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 23 Mar 1994 15:03:14 GMT

In article <1994Mar23.023351.18346@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
..
>I'm more than willing to sacrifice the complete OPENNESS of these newsgroups

That's Nice.  I'm happy that *you* have an idea you like.
What about the other 20,000 people in this group?

>Ian isn't talking about moderating the group---he's talking about enforcing

He's talking about a massive waste of bandwidth, that will result in an even
more massive reverse-flow of flames.  Very stupid.

>So, what will it be? Are you willing to give up a little bit of freedom 

I am never willing to give up general freedom.  Freedom is very precious.
If Ian wants a moderated newsgroup, he knows the procedures for trying
to create one.  This particular group is *unmoderated*.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: ilg@imp.ch (Philippe Steindl)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Date: 22 Mar 1994 23:28:30 +0100

lilo (lilo@slip-11-12.ots.utexas.edu) wrote:
: On Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:30:25 GMT, Douglas Pratt (dspt@troi.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
: >    I'm sorry- but which newsgroup is this? I could have sworn I'd
: > unsubscribed from all the BSD groups the day I discovered ObjectBuilder for
: > Linux in my mailbox. Guess I better check again ........

: Hehehe yes.  I never *subscribed* to them, and as a Linux enthusiast I find
: these postings on the Linux side to be highly amusing....I had thought
: everyone on both sides got that "let's compare apples to oranges" stuff out
: of their systems a long time ago.... ;)


: lilo

Well,

I'm a linux user. Why reacting so hostile? BSD existed long before linux and
BSD systems are for sure good systems. Comparisons maybe doubtful, that's true
(because all the time there's yeeling "but we have that, too!"), but on the
other side it's very informative. Don't laugh at others just because you
*think* you are superior, you may fall into a pit :-)

Happy Springs Start

Philippe Steindl



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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 23 Mar 1994 15:27:03 GMT

In article <1994Mar23.071722.7020@terrabit.uucp> ddb@terrabit.uucp writes:
..
>Well, two of the groups would have passed by the full voting guidelines.

The only way to know that is to subject this to "the full voting guidelines".

The "straw poll" labeling resulted in a very selective response to the survey.
Many people ignored it (due to the subject line) as being yet-another-waste-of-
bandwidth.

>And it's still the "right" place by my understanding of netiquette /

Sure, let's selectively apply netiquette here.  Ignore official voting rules,
but hide the ensuing discussions from the affected 20000 users.

>>An "unmoderated" newsgroup is exactly that:  unmoderated.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: we47932@vub.ac.be (TOURWE Tom)
Subject: Re: Linux on IBM PS/2 70
Date: 23 Mar 1994 15:34:42 GMT

Carl Hoang (Carl.Hoang@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.mn.org) wrote:
: Is there a Linux OS that will work on an IBM PS/2 Model 70 
: with MCA bus?  I have the SLS version from tsx-11.mit.edu 
: FTP site and it just doesn't like the MCA bus at all? 
: Thanks. 
:    Carl Hoang   carl.hoang@tdkt.mn.org 
:  

The current releases of Linux do not support the MCA bus found on IBM PS/2
computers. I myself have a PS/2 with ISA bus, and I can't even install linux.
I mailed Linus to see if someone was working on preparing Linux for ps/2.
I'm waiting for an answer :).

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From: jstump@mstu41.intel.com (John E. Stump)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 23 Mar 1994 16:00:38 GMT

In article <2mplni$eoc@bmerha64.bnr.ca> mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes:
>In article <1994Mar23.023351.18346@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
>..
>>I'm more than willing to sacrifice the complete OPENNESS of these newsgroups
>
>That's Nice.  I'm happy that *you* have an idea you like.
>What about the other 20,000 people in this group?

In case you missed the straw poll results, the majority was IN FAVOR of
this proposal.

>>Ian isn't talking about moderating the group---he's talking about enforcing
>
>He's talking about a massive waste of bandwidth, that will result in an even
>more massive reverse-flow of flames.  Very stupid.

The bandwidth is only a simple e-mail that gets sent to the poster if
he/she doesn't follow the convention of putting a keyword in the
subject line. I suggest all those bitching about this should reread the
proposal and you may realize that it is to your advantage to do this so
that you get better responses to your questions. Doesn't sound very
stupid to me.

>>So, what will it be? Are you willing to give up a little bit of freedom 
>
>I am never willing to give up general freedom.  Freedom is very precious.
>If Ian wants a moderated newsgroup, he knows the procedures for trying
>to create one.  This particular group is *unmoderated*.

He's not proposing a moderated newsgroup. Please reread the proposal.
You don't even know what you're getting up in arms about. 

>mlord@bnr.ca   Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

I wonder how many times a week those who voted NO post questions to the
c.o.l.* groups. I bet never or rarely? If you rarely post, then you
won't get any e-mails. If you do, and you use a keyword, then you will
get an answer much quicker. If you don't use a keyword, your post still
goes through, but an answer may be a long time in coming, plus you'll
get a little e-mail telling you about the keywords. Seems like a small
sacrifice for better quality and faster responses. What's the problem
with that?

It would only be an experiment anyway. If it doesn't work, then we can
go back to the old method. We don't learn anything if we don't give it
try. Don't you at least want a chance to say "I told you so!"?

john
-- 
--
john stump (jstump@mstu41.ch.intel.com)

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From: jstump@mstu41.intel.com (John E. Stump)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 23 Mar 1994 16:17:09 GMT

In article <2mpm9r$et5@bmerha64.bnr.ca> mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes:
>In article <1994Mar23.062159.28638@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
>..
>>Ian's proposal isn't going to stop ANYONE from posting ANYTHING. Please
>>re-read the proposal.
>
>Sure it is.  It is going to waste incredible email bandwidth, cluttering up
>the inboxes of those unfortunate "experienced" users who reply to queries
>which just don't happen to match Ian's arbitrary non-standard keyword mechanism.

I would hope Ian's proposal would not monitor Re: messages for this
very reason. Therefore, the only "clutter" would be one tiny e-mail
message per inappropriate post. That's hardly clutter, unless these
people are posting 50 questions a day.

>>But you see, right now, the newsgroups aren't helping ANYONE. 
>
>Really?  I suggest you do a little more research before making such
>broad mis-assumptions as that.  You could even get a preview of what
>Ian would be in for if he failed to reconsider his scheme:  just post
>a visible request for a reply from "ANYONE" who has ever been helped
>by the newsgroups..  

I can relate my personal experience: I've asked several questions in
the past. Two never received a reply, three received a number of "me
toos" and one was answered 1 week later. So, sure, I was "helped" but I
think it could have been more timely.

I cannot read c.o.l.help anymore because there are too many posts
covering a very wide range of topics, most of which I am not interested
in. I tried using a kill file, but it doesn't help because 2/3 of the
posts are new posts. There are very few Re:'s. Therefore, there are
questions that maybe I could answer that will not get answered. One
thing I noticed before abandoning c.o.l.help was that it seemed that it
was newbies helping the other newbies, often with bad or misinformed
advice. It seemed all the pros have "checked out" of that behemoth of a
newsgroup.

Isn't this idea at least worth a try?

>mlord@bnr.ca   Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482


-- 
--
john stump (jstump@mstu41.ch.intel.com)

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From: armb@setanta.demon.co.uk (Alan Braggins)
Subject: Re: Linux 1.0 comes out on same day Apple announces new machines
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 12:41:14 GMT

In article <CMx48L.EJG@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wgsteven@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Stevens) writes:
>   Well,  I'd love to see Linux on a PowerMac, but just one thing: does
>   Linus *want* to do a port?

You could help Hamish Macdonald with Linux/68k, and then possibly be
able to run it in emulation mode on a PowerMac...
--
Alan Braggins  armb@setanta.demon.co.uk  abraggins@cix.compulink.co.uk
"Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced"
                Geek code possibly under construction.

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From: wolfgang.mueller@uni-duesseldorf.de (Wolfgang R. Mueller)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Slackware HOWTO problem
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 16:35:00 GMT

In article <1994Mar20.184616.27306@news.csuohio.edu> thx1139@knuth.cba.csuohio.edu (tim werner) writes:
>At home, when I "pkunzip -d a1.zip" (or a2.zip or a3.zip or bootdisk.zip",
>many of the files have illegal DOS names, and so cannot be restored from
>the zip file.
Many FTPservers automatically generate files .desc.txt in all their 
directories, which should not and can not be copied to msdos floppies.
Some servers also support FSP and so have files .FSP_CONTENTS in nearly
all directories.
If these are the only illegal names, you may ignore the pkunzip complaints.
Hope this helps,
Wolfgang R. Mueller <dvs@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de>,
Computing Centre, Heinrich-Heine-University, Duesseldorf, Germany.

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From: bill@camco1.celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 23 Mar 1994 08:57:53 -0800

In <2mnmcl$163@euterpe.owl.de> martin@euterpe.owl.de (Martin Husemann) writes:

:gcc = the working one. It's (quite) easily build with rcc... 

The current version of the devsys builds gcc quite nicely using cc,
and never tries rcc.

Bill
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SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?

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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: which utility
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:26:44 GMT

In article <2mfrmv$7ud@paperboy.osf.org> dswartz@pugsley.osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
>
>I'm kind of amazed.  With all of the random, semi-useful BSD
>programs out there, I was a tad surprised when I typed in
>'which crond' and found out Linux doesn't have the which
>command.
Thats mostly because every shell since someone discovered that cursor
key editing was a neat idea has its own built in for the job. 

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:34:52 GMT

In article <ag129.576.2D8DE23A@ucs.cam.ac.uk> ag129@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
>In article <1994Mar21.141547.19212@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>This is like the great int13 hard disk saga but worse. It's almost 
>>impossible to do without emulating the whole of DOS. 
>
>So?  Emulate the whole of DOS.  What's the problem?
They are even asking the same question. The problem is speed. If you want
to run it in the DOS emulator then go ahead - as of 0.49.4 it works rather
well (except for the print stuff).

>>Linux supports both NFS (client/server) and Lan Manager/Pathworks/WfWg 
>>(server) so why support a company who are being awkward.
>
>Because more people use their protocols than all others put together.

I'm not convinced. I pity those who do because it doesn't scale well. Things
are getting vaguely more sensible (netware over IP). The ultimate problem
however appears to be the US patent system. We have IPX support for Linux
in beta. I can write a Novell server for Linux, but when I started doing
this I got a nasty letter from Novell which basically means if I released
it the US couldn't use it.

Both NFS and Lan Manager do an equivalent job, and both NFS and Lan Manager
are cheaper and have published specifications. Lan Manager clients are free
and the server is free. The windows client comes free with the current Windows
and you get all sorts of goodies with Windows NT for it.

If you want to write a Novell server all you need is November 1993 Dr Dobbs
Journal, a decent snooper ('The Snooper' is a good choice and it knows a lot
about IPX/NCP), the IPX spec from ftp.novell.com and some time. Oh and a
non US location...

Alan


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