Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #857
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Date:     Wed, 23 Mar 94 20:13:20 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #857, Volume #1                Wed, 23 Mar 94 20:13:20 EST

Contents:
  Multiport (rocketboard) question ("\"Thomas Dale")
  FET for linux, in background?? (Chris Newton CSD)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Sarr J. Blumson)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Wade Guthrie)
  Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Adam Shostack)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Ian Jackson)
  Linux box as an Internet firewall (R.H. Hall)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Bob Tausworthe)
  On a 386? Re: Linux-1.0-inline-asm uploaded (Jeff Epler)
  help! read() syscall (Dongjin Han)
  3 CD jana offer-- Interesting feedback (bobp@missmarple.east.sun.com)
  Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [ (Frank Lofaro)
  Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [ (Alasdair Grant)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Matt Welsh)
  Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (Geoff Rehmet)
  Where can I ftp the latest sendmail+sendconf ? (Wei Hua)
  POSIX or SYS5 signal (sa_sigaction) (Yonik Seeley)

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From: dale@dungeon.demon.co.uk ("\"Thomas Dale")
Subject: Multiport (rocketboard) question
Reply-To: dale@dungeon.com
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 17:43:05 +0000

Wondering if any one has tried the board from Comtrol called the Rocket Board
on a linux machine yet and if it worked well.

Also suggestions for multiport boards with 8 ports or more that have FULL modem
handling abilities.

-- 
Thomas D(ale) Elrod

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: u0xh@jupiter.unb.ca (Chris Newton CSD)
Subject: FET for linux, in background??
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 16:49:07 GMT


        I am trying to set up fet (program to allow automatic term 
connections) so that I can run it as a cron job.  Basically I want it to 
connect at specifed times, when I will be at the other end.  BUT, it 
doesnt seem to want to let me do this.  I dont need a trsh shell on my 
end (the one at home), when I will be at school, so I removed it, but now 
fet automatically hangs up after it has read through the script file.
        Also I would like to have some ports automatically redirected, on 
connection.  Has anyone got fet to do these things.
        If some of you are wondering, fet can be gotten at 
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/system/Serial/term/extra .... I think thats 
the directory.

Thanks for the help

-Chris

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From: sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: 23 Mar 1994 17:41:19 GMT
Reply-To: sarr@citi.umich.edu

In article <2mhner$d0s@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
dg100@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Shawn Michael Ferris)
writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, Perry.Rovers@kub.nl
|> (Perry Rovers) says:
|> 
|> >In Article
|> <2m9rnt$h6c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>
|> "sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)" says:
|> >> Just out of curiosity, has ANYBODY gotten
|> the "response within 24 hours"
|> >> that the JANA folks promised?
|> 
|> I got a pretty quick response maybe a little
|> longer than 24hours but not
|> by much.
|> 

Since I started this, I should report that I got a response on March 19, a
little more than 4 days after I sent my order.
-- 
========
Sarr Blumson                         sarr@citi.umich.edu
voice: +1 313 764 0253               home: +1 313 665 9591
CITI, University of Michigan, 519 W William, Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: wade@nb.rockwell.com (Wade Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 17:01:13 GMT

rob-n@clark.net (Rob Newberry) writes:

>: This would be Bristol Technologies, with their WIND/U toolkit.
>Actually, I think the company was MainSoft, not Bristol.

Actually, there are several vendors, each with their own product.
The ones I know about are:

        libWxm by Visual Solutions, (508) 392-0100, sales@vissol.com
        MAINWin by MAINSoft Corporation, (800) main-win, info@mainsoft.com
        MEWEL by Magma Systems, (201) 912-0192, magma@bix.com
        Wind/U by Bristol Technologies, (203) 438-6969, info@bristol.com

In addition, Microsoftw Wings (is this out yet?) can be used to port the
Windows API to Mac System 7 and Micrografx's Mirrors can be used to port
to OS/2.

-- 
Wade Guthrie                     | "They couldn't hit an *elephant* at this
wade@nb.rockwell.com             | dis...", last words of Mjr. Gen. (?) 
I don't speak for Rockwell.      | Sedgewick, American Civil War.

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From: adam@bwh.harvard.edu (Adam Shostack)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 23 Mar 1994 18:10:25 GMT
Reply-To: adam@bwh.harvard.edu

John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386), (in article <1994Mar23.034952.24963@rpp386>) wrote:


>for system administration in a decade.  My 970 has enough netgroup entries
>that I wrot a {ls,ch,rm,mk}netgrp set of commands that I'd love for the
>developers to include in the mythical next release.

        Have you considered releasing these to alt.sources or
somesuch?  (Hint, hint :)

Adam

--
Adam Shostack                                  adam@bwh.harvard.edu

Politics.  From the greek "poly," meaning many, and ticks, a small,
annoying bloodsucker.

Have you signed the anti-Clipper petition?

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From: iwj@cam-orl.co.uk (Ian Jackson)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 23 Mar 1994 18:34:11 GMT

In article <2mpq25$4td@chnews.intel.com>,
John E. Stump <jstump@mstu41.intel.com> wrote:
>In article <2mpm9r$et5@bmerha64.bnr.ca> mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes:
>>In article <1994Mar23.062159.28638@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
>>..
>>>Ian's proposal isn't going to stop ANYONE from posting ANYTHING. Please
>>>re-read the proposal.
>>
>>Sure it is.  It is going to waste incredible email bandwidth, cluttering up
>>the inboxes of those unfortunate "experienced" users who reply to queries
>>which just don't happen to match Ian's arbitrary non-standard keyword mechanism.
>
>I would hope Ian's proposal would not monitor Re: messages for this
>very reason. Therefore, the only "clutter" would be one tiny e-mail
>message per inappropriate post. That's hardly clutter, unless these
>people are posting 50 questions a day.

I intend to have the program send mail about followups as well as
original postings, because doing otherwise would seriously reduce the
effectiveness of the keywords.

Rather than the odd article there would be whole threads without
keywords; if the "experienced" users just go ahead and add to them the
users' killfiles (which is what the keywords are there for) won't be
able to get a grip.

The message sent to people posting keywordless followups will probably
be slightly different to that send to people posting new threads.

(PS: "Distribution: world" removed, followups redirected.)
--
Ian Jackson  iwj@cam-orl.co.uk ..!uknet!cam-orl!iwj  These opinions are my own.
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge CB4 3LS.                        + 44 223 575512
Cambridge University Computer Laboratory, New Musems Site.   + 44 223 334676
Email also via: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu   PGP2 public key available on request

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From: rhh8416@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.H. Hall)
Subject: Linux box as an Internet firewall
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 15:51:58 GMT


    The subject line pretty much says it all.  Anyone ever used a linux
box as a firewall?  How bout using either the TAMU toolkit or the TIS
toolkit?

Thanks

rob

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From: iwj@cam-orl.co.uk (Ian Jackson)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 23 Mar 1994 18:37:29 GMT

In article <2mpm9r$et5@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, Mark Lord <mlord@bnr.ca> wrote:
>In article <1994Mar23.062159.28638@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
>..
>>Ian's proposal isn't going to stop ANYONE from posting ANYTHING. Please
>>re-read the proposal.
>
>Sure it is.  It is going to waste incredible email bandwidth, cluttering up
>the inboxes of those unfortunate "experienced" users who reply to queries
>which just don't happen to match Ian's arbitrary non-standard keyword mechanism.

What is a hundred or two email messages a day, each to one site,
compared to several hundred postings distributed to each site which
gets the comp.os.linux hierarchy ?

Quite frankly, the bandwidth is not your problem, it's mine: if the
machine I'm sending the email from can cope there's no problem.

>>Let's put it this way. Say that Linus, for some reason, were to include
>>each and every patch into the kernel, regardless of whether it worked, 
>...
>Linus' kernel coordination is more analogous to a central newsserver,
>which collects articles into appropriate newsgroups, ordering them and
>assigning local article numbers, threads, etc..

No, Linus also makes value judgements on each submission.  News
servers don't (and neither will my monitoring daemon).

(PS: Followups redirected.)
--
Ian Jackson  iwj@cam-orl.co.uk ..!uknet!cam-orl!iwj  These opinions are my own.
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge CB4 3LS.                        + 44 223 575512
Cambridge University Computer Laboratory, New Musems Site.   + 44 223 334676
Email also via: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu   PGP2 public key available on request

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: tozz@cup.hp.com (Bob Tausworthe)
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 17:23:36 GMT

: > If they wanted it to be the real standard, they'd have
: >made it public.

That's not the capitalist way :-) Let's face it, the best of all worlds (at
least for vendors) is to make something a standard AND make'em pay for it. 
Just think about Nintendo NES. For years it ruled the home entertainment world 
with an iron fist. You paid to play and it was the standard. Windohs 3.1 IS 
the PC windowing standard in spite of all the lovely and amazing work that is 
being done by this community (just count the number of whining WINE-ers on the 
linux notesgroups every day). 

Motif IS the commercial Unix windowing standard. Now that Sun has climbed
aboard, I don't know of a single commercial U**X manufacturer that doesn't
support it.support it. 

                            tozz

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From: jepler@herbie.unl.edu (Jeff Epler)
Subject: On a 386? Re: Linux-1.0-inline-asm uploaded
Date: 22 Mar 1994 17:46:51 GMT

In article <1994Mar21.163615.2318@cs.cornell.edu>,
 <VIGNANI%MSIE03%CRFV2@CSPCLU.CSP.IT> wrote:
> 1) speed up some code sequences which are inefficient on the i486
>    and pentium compared to the i386. In particular, the string move
>    instructions (movsb,lodsb,stosb) are slower on the new processors.
>    The gain in speed is about 20-30% on the single functions; on the
>    whole kernel it is much difficult to measure, but certainly smaller
>    and not normally noticeable.

I still have a 386 computer.  Are these optimizations going to affect
speed for better or for worse on my system?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Jeff

--
Jeff Epler jepler@herbie.unl.edu (Preferred) or jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu
____ "Nuke the unborn gay whales" -- Never seen on a protest sign
\bi/ |umop apisdn| First year comp sci major.  CRPG addict. 
 \/  1.5<kinsey<2.5 IRC Synger  Running Linux 0.99.15d. DOS is evil

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From: dj@lems25 (Dongjin Han)
Subject: help! read() syscall
Date: 22 Mar 1994 01:32:29 GMT

[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.help ]
[ Author was Dongjin Han ]
[ Posted on 21 Mar 1994 23:10:40 GMT ]



--
Hi
I have some strange problem with compiler.
When I try to read binary files, one more byte is added to the
head of the file.
What I mean is,

        read((int *)fp,ddd,sizeof(ddd));
        returns the value 
     (one bite dummy)+real data stream...

So to speak, if I have 123456 in the binary file, it gives
me  like 912345... for example .
I don't understand this problem. On sun machine, it works all right.
Please help me..

Also fread() has the same problem.
Thank
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From: bobp@missmarple.east.sun.com
Subject: 3 CD jana offer-- Interesting feedback
Date: 23 Mar 1994 20:29:55 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@missmarple.east.sun.com



I apologize if this got posted twice, but I don't think it went out the first
time.  

This is the response I got when I pressed for an explanation of why they are
charging $14.95 to ship 3 little cd's.  I still chuckle when I read it.

--bob
==================================================
From @QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA:3JJN3@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA Mon Mar 21 23:36 EST 1994
From: 3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Subject:      Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
To: bobp@missmarple.East.Sun.COM
Content-Type: text
Content-Length: 414
X-Lines: 9

A E-Mail to christina@jana.com should solved your question;. Any way
the reson we charge 14.95 is because we have to ship UPS, plus
the T-Shirt is free even if you send the CD back. Also there
is lot of work in handeling the CD. Also one other reson is
at 29.95 for 3 CD's we do not make much money so we have to make it
some whare. Oh there is one more reson, about 50% of the people do not
pay on time too.

Jay


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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 04:35:12 GMT

In article <1994Mar22.163452.7347@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>In article <ag129.576.2D8DE23A@ucs.cam.ac.uk> ag129@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
>>In article <1994Mar21.141547.19212@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>>This is like the great int13 hard disk saga but worse. It's almost 
>>>impossible to do without emulating the whole of DOS. 
>>
>>So?  Emulate the whole of DOS.  What's the problem?
>They are even asking the same question. The problem is speed. If you want
>to run it in the DOS emulator then go ahead - as of 0.49.4 it works rather
>well (except for the print stuff).
>
>>>Linux supports both NFS (client/server) and Lan Manager/Pathworks/WfWg 
>>>(server) so why support a company who are being awkward.
>>
>>Because more people use their protocols than all others put together.
>
>I'm not convinced. I pity those who do because it doesn't scale well. Things
>are getting vaguely more sensible (netware over IP). The ultimate problem
>however appears to be the US patent system. We have IPX support for Linux
>in beta. I can write a Novell server for Linux, but when I started doing
>this I got a nasty letter from Novell which basically means if I released
>it the US couldn't use it.
>
>Both NFS and Lan Manager do an equivalent job, and both NFS and Lan Manager
>are cheaper and have published specifications. Lan Manager clients are free
>and the server is free. The windows client comes free with the current Windows
>and you get all sorts of goodies with Windows NT for it.
>
>If you want to write a Novell server all you need is November 1993 Dr Dobbs
>Journal, a decent snooper ('The Snooper' is a good choice and it knows a lot
>about IPX/NCP), the IPX spec from ftp.novell.com and some time. Oh and a
>non US location...
>
>Alan
>

Now would Novell really go out an sue an INDIVIDUAL?!

What would they have to gain?

         They could not get much money from an individual, so why
would they even bother? It would cost them MUCH more to sue then they
could ever get. We are talking about a factor of 100 times mote. Also,
if you release a Novell server, it will make its way into the
U.S. Don't tell me that you over in the U.K. can't get a copy of DES,
and if something like that can get out, I don't think a Novell server
will have much trouble getting in. If you put in on an ftp site (okay
that might have to be non-US, since sunsite, etc could be targets of a
suit), and people in the U.S. download it, is Novell going to sue all
of the potentially THOUSANDS of them for using it?!
        Anyone outside the U.S. could just do it. I maintain anyone IN
the U.S. could too, since as I said, they would not bother suing an
individual, since they'd get very little money (you can not get money
that the defendant simply does not have.) They would have to spend a
bundle, in other words much, much more than they'd ever get.  Even the
most fascist of companies will still look at the economics of the
situation. I don't think they are going to take an action that will
GUARANTEE that they LOSE money. Also, it would be a public relations
disaster. They'd have the LPF, the FSF and the EFF at their throats so
fast they would not know what hit them. I assume Novell prides itself
on its reputation, a big company into crushing the little guy is not
going to look too good, especially to small businesses, etc (which I
would assume would be a very strong part of Novell's market, since
bigger businesses need something that scales well, which Novell
doesn't).


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From: ag129@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 17:55:56

In article <1994Mar22.163452.7347@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>They are even asking the same question. The problem is speed. If you want
>to run it in the DOS emulator then go ahead - as of 0.49.4 it works rather
>well (except for the print stuff).

I'm not sure it would be an issue... there is no problem with native
IPX, that's a documented standard.  I.e. you provide the IPX interrupts
and let Novell's code do the conversion from NetWare requests to
IPX packets, and let Linux take over from there.

>I'm not convinced. I pity those who do because it doesn't scale well. 

If anything IPX scales better than IP (a much larger space for 
internetwork numbers).  Service names are a problem (but can be
kludged) and RIP/SAP do not scale well (but are not the only way 
of doing things).  But what's this got to do with Linux?  As it
happens my original interest in NetWare for Linux was so that
PCs which normally ran DOS/Windows off a NetWare server could
become XFree86 terminals and read files from the same server,
without the expense of NetWare NFS.  (Now _there's_ a protocol 
that doesn't scale.)

>Things are getting vaguely more sensible (netware over IP). 

Why are you telling us this?  We run NetWare over IP as standard;
raw IPX is isolated to single segments.  In any case whether the
transport is IPX or IP or IPX-in-IP is irrelevant, they are equally 
easy and it is NCP that is the problem.

>The ultimate problem however appears to be the US patent system.

NCP is a trade secret.  Patents are not secret, by definition.
(You could say they are patently obvious!)

>We have IPX support for Linux in beta. 

I've heard this for years.  Will it do NDS authentication?

>If you want to write a Novell server all you need is November 1993 Dr Dobbs
>Journal, a decent snooper ('The Snooper' is a good choice and it knows a lot
>about IPX/NCP), the IPX spec from ftp.novell.com and some time. Oh and a
>non US location...

Again, will it do NDS authentication?  Why do you assume reverse
engineering is the only way?

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 19:46:50 GMT

In article <2mpm9r$et5@bmerha64.bnr.ca> mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes:
>In article <1994Mar23.062159.28638@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
>..
>>Ian's proposal isn't going to stop ANYONE from posting ANYTHING. Please
>>re-read the proposal.
>
>Sure it is.  It is going to waste incredible email bandwidth, 

How is that going to stop anyone from posting? I'm afraid that you 
misunderstand how the news software works.

>>But you see, right now, the newsgroups aren't helping ANYONE. 
>
>Really?  I suggest you do a little more research before making such
>broad mis-assumptions as that.  

My point is that if we adopted a simple subject-line convention, the
overhead for implementation is MINIMAL, and it increases the overall
quality of the group dramatically. Wouldn't it be nice if we could
increase the effectiveness of c.o.l.h by 300% just through this simple
mechanism?

Apparently you'd rather preserve the complete openness of the group, and
have it turn into a perpetual trashbin, where very few people get help.
That's what I can't understand. 

>You could even get a preview of what
>Ian would be in for if he failed to reconsider his scheme:  just post
>a visible request for a reply from "ANYONE" who has ever been helped
>by the newsgroups..  

All right, why don't I also post a request for ANYONE who posted and
was not subsequently helped? I can get upwards of 100 mails a week from 
people who have tried asking questions on c.o.l.* but never got a reasonable 
response. So they turn to e-mail. Perhaps I should start soliciting mails
from people who aren't getting help, archive them all, and send them
to you. Would that be enough proof? 

>>Let's put it this way. Say that Linus, for some reason, were to include
>>each and every patch into the kernel, regardless of whether it worked, 
>...
>Linus' kernel coordination is more analogous to a central newsserver,
>which collects articles into appropriate newsgroups, ordering them and
>assigning local article numbers, threads, etc..

And rejecting certain articles based on content? Wrong. Newsservers
don't do that.

All of this talk about proposals, and nothing's being done to resolve the
problem. We should have known better than to ask for input on the Net. 
Nothing ever gets fixed that way. Ian should go forth with the proposal
based on the results of a poll. Flame all you want; that's never going to
fix anything.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: csgr@cs.ru.ac.za (Geoff Rehmet)
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Reply-To: csgr@cs.ru.ac.za
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 06:11:57 GMT

In <CMzw69.92K@tower.nullnet.fi> elandal@tower.nullnet.fi (Ismo Peltonen) writes:

>What do people mean with this (`looks and feels like a beta/not finished')?
>What in Linux makes that unfinished look'n'feel?

>(The thing I most would like to see now is different keymaps/fonts on
> different multiscreens, but I can well live without. If nothing comes
> out, I'll probably hack something that satisfies me.)

>I have yet to try new things with linux (I have hard time trying to keep
>up with updates - last time I got route-binary I noticed I'd better
>update my libs, which lead to downloading about 7 megs, some installing,
>some compiling, and cursing for not to having yet changed my system to
>conform to FSSTND), but whatever I've compiled has been fairly easy. Of
>course having had Xenix before might have some influence in that
>(anything on Xenix was a major headache).

In my opinion, one of the big advantages of FreeBSD (and NetBSD) is the
availability of a complete (controlled) source tree for the operating
system.  (A tree that can be found in one place, and which can be
installed easily.)  All that needs to be done to install new stuff is
a "make world".  (As far as I can gather there is no complete
maintained source tree for Linux.)

Geoff.
--
 Geoff Rehmet, Computer Science Department,   | ____   _ o         /\
 Rhodes University,  South Africa             |___  _-\_<,        /\/\/\
   email : csgr@cs.ru.ac.za                   |    (*)/'(*)    /\/\/\/\/\
         : geoff@neptune.ru.ac.za             |

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From: wei@psrc.isac.co.jp (Wei Hua)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 04:59:41 GMT
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Where can I ftp the latest sendmail+sendconf ?



I am running Slackware Linux 1.1.2pl15 now. I want to install the lastest
sendmail+sendconf to my Linux. Would you like to tell where I can ftp it ?

Thank you very much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wei, Hua
Technique Dept. ISAC, Inc.                           
E-mail: wei@psrc.isac.co.jp

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From: yseeley@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Yonik Seeley)
Subject: POSIX or SYS5 signal (sa_sigaction)
Date: 22 Mar 94 00:38:08 GMT


Hello,
   I am having a problem porting a program to Linux.  The program uses
SA_SIGINFO and fills in the sa_sigaction field instead of the
sa_handler field (on Solaris2.3).  Does the SYS5 and POSIX spec
differ on this, and if so, does Linux conform to POSIX?

- Yonik Seeley

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