Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #858
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date:     Thu, 24 Mar 94 00:13:08 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #858, Volume #1                Thu, 24 Mar 94 00:13:08 EST

Contents:
  Which Pentium for LINUX (Guillermo Lama)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Rajappa Iyer)
  Linux 1.0's new file system. (Popovisk Steion)
  Re: Emergency!! **Infinite loop in boot** (Popovisk Steion)
  Re: Cheap Linux box (Edwin Tisdale)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Eric Kimminau)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Dave Gardner)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Thomas Koenig)
  ethernet transmit timeout (Bill Heiser)
  Maximum serial port speed (REPOST due to non-propogation) (Bill Heiser)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Matt Welsh)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Mark Lord)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Mark Lord)
  Re: Sparc vs. 486/Pentium [WAS:Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors] (Ron Smits)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Michael L. VanLoon)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Donald Jeff Dionne)

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From: glama@cipres (Guillermo Lama)
Subject: Which Pentium for LINUX
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 18:59:57 GMT

     I hate to ask such a repeated question over the net,
         but i have the opportunity to import a pc from the
         States trough a friend. This is very advantageous
     for me as computers are much more expensive out here.
          The main purpose of the system would be for X windows
     software development under LINUX. 
          The problem is, my friend has little idea about computers,
     so i have to tell him exactly what to buy, and that
         that there is very little information availible here
         on good deals in the States. 
          What i would like is to hear from people that has had
     good experiences with some pentium machines from 
         known vendors, so that i can tell him where to buy.
          
         Please respond by email to
                                                        
                                                        glama@cec.uchile.cl

                                                        Thanks !

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: rsi@netcom.com (Rajappa Iyer)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 19:34:05 GMT

In article <1994Mar23.023351.18346@cs.cornell.edu>,
Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>In article <2mn78d$gav@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, Mark Lord <mlord@bnr.ca> wrote:
>>
>>Sure, let's change the whole way usenet works for the sake of this shmuck.
>
>Look, what Ian is trying to do is HELP make c.o.l.* more accessible and 
>more helpful to new users. How many times have you seen someone post, 
>``I posted this last week but got no response! Please help!'' The reason 
>that the person got no response was because most of the ``old-timers'' who 
>could answer the question were unable to even READ it because of the large 
>amount of traffic on these groups. Nobody has time to wade through the
>garbage there---even with a good killfile it's quite a task, I assure you.

Fine! So nobody *asked* you to. Or do you wish to change the way
Usenet works just because *YOU* don't have time, inclination, whatever
to wade through `garbage?' If you want to read only good stuff, either
join/create a mailing list or create a moderated newsgroup.

>Using a keyword in the subject line would help in the following ways:

I disagree with a lot of the perceived benefits, but that is not
germane to the issue. Usenet is bigger than the few readers who do not
care to wade through `garbage.' If you can't stand the heat, stay out
of the kitchen.

>I just don't understand why people are so opposed to helping out
>new users. 

I am opposed to a few net fascists changing the way usenet works just
because they don't agree with it on basis of a STRAW poll. If you
don't like the way the newsgroups work, why don't you have a proper
RFD and a formal vote?
-- 
<rsi@netcom.com> a.k.a. Rajappa Iyer.  La Jolla, CA.
        I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: gabe@netcom.com (Popovisk Steion)
Subject: Linux 1.0's new file system.
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 20:22:10 GMT

I'm currently running .99pl14, and was thinking of upgrading to 1.0, 
after getting "Alarm Clock" crap when talk would crash when trying to
connect through slip to a remote host (won't go into other details).
Does the new filesystem that 1.0 has require you to reformat the current
linux partition?  Or, will it kill my already compiled bins in /usr/local/bin
and other places?
I've already tried to patch the kernel twice and after making it 0 bytes long,
I decided to get the entire package (whatever I was interested in) and 
install it this way, but not sure if it'll mess things up.

Also, is it true that the new Xfree86 2.0 will puke on my Diamond Speedstar 24X?

Thanks a bunch for the info.

Gabe

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: gabe@netcom.com (Popovisk Steion)
Subject: Re: Emergency!! **Infinite loop in boot**
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 20:24:44 GMT

Thanks a lot to all the people who have responded.
I appreciate it.  It's finally running ok now.

Gabe

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From: edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Edwin Tisdale)
Subject: Re: Cheap Linux box
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 17:56:09 GMT

silly@shred.ugcs.caltech.edu writes:

>I'm interested in building another Linux box, and I'm wondering what the
>cheapest way to build a complete Linux system would be.

>What I have in mind is a (possibly used) 386 system with 8 meg of ram and 
>a 120 meg hard drive, since this seems to be the baseline necessary to 
>run X comfortably.

>However, the PC marketplace seems to be an absolute mess to wade through.
>If I just buy something, I know I'll pay twice what I should have.

>Am I best off buying a crappy used 286 and replacing the motherboard with a 
>386?  Will the newer PC boards fit in an XT?  Is building a new system a
>better option?

>Any input from PC gurus is welcome.  If you have any hardware suppliers to
>recommend, please do so by e-mail, to avoid "advertising" problems.

Sorry Silly,

There is almost nothing that you can scavange from an old 8088 XT or 80286 AT.
The cheapest way to build a complete Linux system is to go down to your local
computer store and buy the complete, assembled and tested system.  In fact,
the "Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors" will do this AND install Linux on
the system for you for FREE!  This can save you a lot of time and money if
you order the wrong parts and end up paying re-stocking charges while building
your own system.  Good Luck, Bob Tisdale.

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From: ekimmina@pms709.pms.ford.com (Eric Kimminau)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
Date: 22 Mar 1994 18:16:35 GMT


> 3J> Re : Response in 24 Hrs.
> 3J> 
> 3J> I knew some one is going to post this but, I talked to christina and
> 3J> she got over 1000 E-Mails in 24 Hrs. So you have to wait few more
> 3J> 24 Hrs. :^)
> 
> BZZZT!  If this is how JANA thinks they're going to improve things,
> they have flunked big time.  How hard is it to write a perl script
> that collects messages, ranks them by time received, mails a "you're
> message #xxx, details follow" message, and when the count hits 500,
> sends "so sorry, you're not in the magic 500, you're #xxx".  A little
> forethought and planning is not too much to expect.

I saw a post on Friday saying that all orders received through Friday
would be honored at the $29.95 price. Granted, they still need a mail
processor and they don't havce one, but for the price, why complain?
Hell, I hope they don't reply to me for a week, and when they do they
tell me its going to be delayed 2 weeks so they can include XFree 2.1
on the first CD.

-- 
Eric Kimminau                       Workstation Systems Department
313-322-3431                        Product & Manufacturing Systems
ekimmina@pms709.pms.ford.com        Ford Motor Co.
Planning and Implementation         "Not an official Ford Spokesperson"
TIP#111

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: dgardner@netcom.com (Dave Gardner)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 23:36:58 GMT

Suggestion: Let's all just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

True, Ian didn't have to even go by a vote (straw or otherwise) to start
sending out email under this plan.  What he does with his email is his own
business.  I don't see it as fascism; I just see it as an utter waste of
time (and bandwidth) in an attempt to control the uncontrollable, and 
possibly a side effect of stifling new users with many questions.

So now that Ian's made his decision and we've all aired it out, can we all
just drop this and get on with whatever it is we all do with Linux?  If
the "experiment" fails, then it fails.  If it succeeds (though how this
will be measured is pretty unquantifiable), then it succeeds.  I can
appreciate that Ian cares enough to take the massive amount of time
(personal and cpu) to try and cut down on some of the repetitive postings;
though the motives are "pure", I doubt that it will work in the real
world.  That's all.  I'm done. 

Can't we all just get along?


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From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 24 Mar 1994 01:05:07 GMT

[Followup-To: news.groups]

Rajappa Iyer (rsi@netcom.com) wrote in article <rsiCn4uCu.8x7@netcom.com>:
>In article <1994Mar23.023351.18346@cs.cornell.edu>,
>Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>>Nobody has time to wade through the
>>garbage there---even with a good killfile it's quite a task, I assure you.

>Fine! So nobody *asked* you to. Or do you wish to change the way
>Usenet works just because *YOU* don't have time, inclination, whatever
>to wade through `garbage?' If you want to read only good stuff, either
>join/create a mailing list or create a moderated newsgroup.

Unfortunately, the current setup is NOT working well in this particular
case.  This is a case where traditional Usenet is bursting apart at the
seams, something new needs to be tried.

Sending people E-Mail which tells them about where to find information,
and the conventions to use, is indeed a new step for a unmoderated
newsgroup.  However, it's been done for quite a while in moderated
newsgroups, for incorrect submissions; if it is phrased politely and
does indeed contain useful information, people don't mind getting
that E-Mail.

For example, the *.answers moderation team has been sending out a
standard form letter to people asking random questions on a *.answers
newsgroup; you'll an extended version of it as the "How to find the
right place to post (Preliminary FAQ)" in news.groups and
news.groups.reviews (or in the references to this article).

I yet have to see a single negative response to these form letters,
and I have seen quite a few positive ones.

It is my guess, based on this experience, that the reception of
Ian's form letters will be mostly positive.

[...]
>I am opposed to a few net fascists changing the way usenet works just
>because they don't agree with it on basis of a STRAW poll. If you
>don't like the way the newsgroups work, why don't you have a proper
>RFD and a formal vote?

To quote the creation guidelines:

# They are NOT intended as guidelines for setting USENET policy other
# than group creations

In other words, there's no (formal) need to go through a RfD/CfV and
all that.

This is a scheme which can be implemented quickly, without breaking any
standards, with a reasonable chance of increasing the S/N ratio of
Usenet, and at no risk to the structure...  if it doesn't work, it can
be broken off without problems.  The cost, a little bit of net
load, is negligable in comparison.

Don't think the newsgroup creation process determines how Usenet
works.  To a large part, Usenet works by people seeing that something
is necessary, and then actually implementing it.  If it's reasonable,
other people go along.
--
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double
logarithmic diagram.

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From: heiser@TDWR.ED.RAY.COM (Bill Heiser)
Subject: ethernet transmit timeout
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 17:03:32 GMT

In SLACKWARE 1.1.2 with kernel v1.0, the following occurs:

Mar 15 15:06:34 wpc18 kernel: eth0: transmit timed out, TX status 0xc, ISR 0x0.
Mar 15 15:06:34 wpc18 kernel: eth0: Possible network cable problem?
Mar 15 15:06:34 wpc18 kernel: eth0: Transmitter access conflict.

OR

Mar 22 08:12:15 wpc18 kernel: eth0: transmit timed out, TX status 0xc, ISR 0x0.
Mar 22 08:12:15 wpc18 kernel: eth0: Possible network cable problem?

When this occurs, the system is no-longer able to communicate with the
network, and the system needs to be rebooted.  I have pretty-much ruled
out a local hardware problem because the same symptoms occur on another
LINUX machine here.

This is a 486/33/16mb with a 3C503 card.

Has anyone else seen this?

Thanks in advance,
Bill
-- 
Bill Heiser   Work-> heiser@tdwr.ed.ray.com    Home-> bill@bhhome.ci.net 

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From: heiser@TDWR.ED.RAY.COM (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Maximum serial port speed (REPOST due to non-propogation)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 17:48:18 GMT

How does one get LINUX to work with serial port speeds exceeding 38400?
i.e. if my modem supports DTE/DCE rates of up to 57600, how do I get
dip (for example) to work at that speed?
 
I looked thru the serial FAQ, etc, but didn't see anything relevant.
 
BTW, I can use either a generic serial/parallel card or an AST 4-port.
 
On a related note .. .with LINUX, is there anything to be gained by
using one of those new "high speed serial cards" put out by Hayes and
others?  I plan to be using a FAST modem soon (i.e. Hayes Optima 28.8
or equivalent) and will need to set my serial port speed to at leat
115K.  Again this goes back to the question of how to configure LINUX
to accept such speeds in the various config files (i.e. dip for CSLIP,
UUCP, etc).  Also I am wondering if the special serial card will buy
me anything over a generic or AST 4-port board with a 16550 UART.

Thanks in advance.
Bill


-- 
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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 01:30:19 GMT

In article <rsiCn4uCu.8x7@netcom.com> rsi@netcom.com (Rajappa Iyer) writes:
>In article <1994Mar23.023351.18346@cs.cornell.edu>,
>Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>>Nobody has time to wade through the
>>garbage there---even with a good killfile it's quite a task, I assure you.
>
>Fine! So nobody *asked* you to. Or do you wish to change the way
>Usenet works just because *YOU* don't have time, inclination, whatever
>to wade through `garbage?' 

The point here is that a lot of people don't have time. Many of those
people happen to be the ones who can actually reply to postings in 
c.o.l.*, helping those who need it. As it is now it's very difficult for
people like myself to find questions in c.o.l.* and reply to them---therefore,
far fewer people are helped.

By the way, there is no way to do this at the newsreader level, otherwise
I'd suggest that instead. A killfile isn't good enough. You can't 
automatically categorize postings by content (unless you have a reasonably
good AI program). It's much easier in the long run to ask people to use
a subject line convention. This will also indirectly cut down on the
amount of noise present in the newsgroups, which we all can agree is a
GoodThing. 

>If you want to read only good stuff, either
>join/create a mailing list or create a moderated newsgroup.

You're missing the point! It's not that I care about reading "good stuff",
but that in order to help the people posting to c.o.l.*, I need to be able
filter the postings in some way. Adopting a subject-line convention
allows us to do that. 

>I disagree with a lot of the perceived benefits, but that is not
>germane to the issue. Usenet is bigger than the few readers who do not
>care to wade through `garbage.' 

"Few" readers? How many readers have time to select articles from newsgroups
with traffic of several hundered articles a day? Unless you're a lifeless
feeb [tm] and spend literally hours reasing USENET a day, you don't have
time to do that. 

>If you can't stand the heat, stay out
>of the kitchen.

The heat, in this case, happens to be hotter than is reasonable for any
human being to stand. As a result, the newsgroups are not nearly as effective
as they can be. I'm concerned with making the newsgroups effective. A good
way of doing that is to make it easier for people to read and reply to 
postings. The overhead is minimal; using this subject-line convention is
not something that will be difficult for newcomers to be accustomed to.
So, what's the problem?

I just don't understand why people would rather see c.o.l.* go to waste
than agree on such a simple system that would greatly increase effectiveness.
Please, answer me that. Do you really abhor the idea of having to type a
keyword on your subject line? I make very few original postings to c.o.l.*; 
most of them are followups. Therefore, most of the time, I'd never have 
to worry about the subject-line convention as long as it was already being 
followed in the thread at hand.

>I am opposed to a few net fascists changing the way usenet works just
>because they don't agree with it on basis of a STRAW poll. 

"The way usenet works"? For your information, it ISN'T working. 

We're trying to help here. You didn't answer my question: WHY are you 
opposed to this idea, given that it will help newcomers have their 
questions answered? What's so wrong with it? It comes down to the basic 
question: Are you willing to sacrifice the minimal effort required to 
conform to a subject-line convention, if the newsgroups as a whole---readers 
and posters---will be greatly helped by it? 

Other newsgroups use subject line conventions, or some other kind of 
simple scheme that makes postings easier to follow. I don't understand
what all the huff is about.

>If you
>don't like the way the newsgroups work, why don't you have a proper
>RFD and a formal vote?

If the technicalities of the voting are your only problem, we'll hold
a formal vote. Anything to waste more time, right? I imagine that the
result of a "formal" vote would be along the lines of the straw poll.
I'm tired of talking about how to fix c.o.l.*, and never implementing 
anything. In the meantime, tons of confused newcomers are posting to 
c.o.l.h, and not receiving any responses. So be it.


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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 24 Mar 1994 02:12:43 GMT

In article <2mpp36$4bh@chnews.intel.com> jstump@mstu41.intel.com writes:
>In article <2mplni$eoc@bmerha64.bnr.ca> mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes:
>>In article <1994Mar23.023351.18346@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
>
>In case you missed the straw poll results, the majority was IN FAVOR of
>this proposal.

The majority of respondants to the straw poll, that is.
How about a *real* vote on the issue?  Old hands like me probably just
ignored the "straw" thing as a waste of bandwidth (based on the title).

>You don't even know what you're getting up in arms about. 

[expletive deleted] I *do* know what I'm upset about, even if you don't.

I frequently post replies to queries by other posters in this group.
A peculiarity of our corporate installation prevents me from easily using
email instead, and the reponses are often of general interest.

What I object to are the numerous droppings (and waste of communications
bandwidth) I would receive as email in response to my responses.  The ones
I receive from alt.* linux groups already (another net.facist) are bad enough,
and are just about at the point of discouraging me from helping other linux
enthusiasts.  And this whole stinkin' proposal is in the name of "helping"
folks like me.  Ha!

There are numerous other groups on the net with similar traffic levels,
and similar nuisance levels.  Use of threaded/selective newsreaders works
just fine, and still permits folks who don't regularly post to place their
one question of a lifetime without fear of immediate "enforcement" from a
self-appointed "moderator" of an unmoderated newsgroup.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 24 Mar 1994 02:13:53 GMT

In article <1994Mar23.193730.9909@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <2mplni$eoc@bmerha64.bnr.ca> mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes:
>>In article <1994Mar23.023351.18346@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
>>..
>>>I'm more than willing to sacrifice the complete OPENNESS of these newsgroups
>>
>>That's Nice.  I'm happy that *you* have an idea you like.
>>What about the other 20,000 people in this group?
>
>I don't know. Look at the results of the poll. Most people were in favour of
>it. If you'd like perhaps we could have a "real" vote, which I would expect
>would turn out to have roughly the same results. 

Highly unlikely.  But sure, let's stop speculating and go for the real thing.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: Sparc vs. 486/Pentium [WAS:Re: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors]
Date: 23 Mar 1994 11:01:39 GMT

Rick Kelly (rmk@rmkhome.com) wrote:
: Evan Leibovitch (evan@telly.on.ca) wrote:
: : In article <9403140708.01@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:

: : >We have 450 to 500 people on site.
: : >We are running INN with 3000+ newsgroups.  Feed is by NNTP.  We also feed
: : >some news out by NNTP to one of our European offices, with more to come.
: : >Mail also goes through this system.
: : >There are often 20 users connected to the system with xrn/nntp, and two
: : >other systems running nnmaster point at this machine.

: : >It is a robust, reliable system that chugs along 7 days a week, 24 hours
: : >a day.

: : >I don't feel that Intel PC hardware would be reliable enough to do the
: : >job in this case.

: : Upon what is this conclusion based?

: The network of SCO, Netware and SVR4 systems that I work with every day.

: I see these systems slow to a crawl with loads that don't even phase a
: Sun ELC.  The Intel boxes are all 486DX/33 or 486DX2/66.  I have 3 ALR
: dual processor boxes that are running SCO ODT 3.0 and MPX.  They are
: strong machines with 36 megs of memory in each, but since SCO treats them
: as ISA machines they actually lose some performance.


: -- 

: Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

--

Although I do not want to make a commercial for my own company. It would
suggest looking at the NCR 3000 line running SVR4. It's solid, it's robust
and stable. One of our midrange like machines would happily take your load
without problems.


                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                         -*/


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From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: 23 Mar 94 04:11:28 GMT

In <2mnm4r$32r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown) writes:


>In <1994Mar22.164834.8123@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>In article <1994Mar20.183234.27732@mksinfo.qc.ca> pierre@mksinfo.qc.ca (Pierre Benard) writes:
>>>and IBM's OS/2 for Windows. Maybe MS is realizing that letting people
>>>run Windows apps. on something other than MSDOS is a good thing.


>[sorry I have to reply through heresay, I missed the original article]

>ON the other hand, I am happy to find out that apple is FINALLY
>liscensing its system as "Apple/Macintosh Destop" or something.
>Announcements were made yesterday or something that sun and apple have
>signed agreements to do a nice port to sparcs, and I think other
>manufacturers have things in the works.

>HOPEFULLY, they will do a FULL port (unlike "WABI"), and get all the
>multimedia stuff, audio, quicktime, etc, etc in there.

Evidentally, Apple is already working with SGI to make QuickTime an
integral part of SGI's animation software.

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From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 23 Mar 1994 04:12:30 GMT

Mark Lord (mlord@bnr.ca) wrote:

: In article <2mk21e$3dd@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> iwj@cam-orl.co.uk writes:
: ...
: Yet another net.facist is born.

Hey! That's great! I could not have put it better myself...

: ...
: >I think that this gives me a fairly clear mandate to go ahead; I'm not
: >going to apply the overmajority rules that apply to group creation.

: Really?  I came to exactly the opposite conclusion!

Well, perhaps no conclusion at all.  It's not Ian's place. (I hope that's 
his name).

: >
: >As I said during the discussion period, I've been convinced that
: >Subject line tags are more technically feasible than Keywords at the
: >moment (shame on you, newsreader authors).

: Sure, let's change the whole way usenet works for the sake of this shmuck.

I did NOT see his post with a Keywords line..... or [things] 

: >I'll therefore arrange for the monitoring program to expect Subject
: >lines of the form
: >  Subject: [keyword] rest of subject

: A real pity this scheme ain't good enough for his own posts.

Oh sorry, you picked up on that too!

: >Note that discussion of this probably belongs in news.groups;

: Logical.  Since maybe nobody will notice it until "too late" there. :)

: An "unmoderated" newsgroup is exactly that:  unmoderated.

: Get a life!
: -- 
: mlord@bnr.ca  Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

Who gives him the right to discourage others?  It's one thing to ignore
the people who refuse to read the FAQ's, but there are those that are
in the know that will ask stupid questions from time to time.  The 
standard response to this self appointed moderator should be to send 
notes to his postmaster saying that he's doing an intentional mass-flame
campaign against people with less experence.

Bad news.  Perhaps I would re-think the thing if I were him.  Linus 
intended this to be for everyone, and this is very contrary to that.

Jeff@EE.Ryerson.Ca

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