Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #864
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Date:     Thu, 24 Mar 94 23:13:20 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #864, Volume #1                Thu, 24 Mar 94 23:13:20 EST

Contents:
  Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (Harvey J. Stein)
  Re: SCSI Magneto-Optical Drive Supported? (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Mike Jagdis)
  Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux (Panther)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (james r grinter)
  Complex.h, anyone??? (Danny Gould)
  Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors (Edwin Tisdale)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (dan@oea.hacktic.nl)
  setting up linux..? (Kenneth Michelson)
  Re: Linux on a portable (John Kraft)
  Re: anykey and olvwm (David Marples)
  Another xdm quirk? (Jongyoon Lee)
  sz/rz for linux wanted (Robert Szelepcsenyi)
  Re: PCI bus cards (graphics and SCSI) which work? (Drew Eckhardt)
  Re: [Q] BBS programs? (Peter Jones)
  Telnet Authentication Bug! (Jim Burnes)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
From: hjstein@sunset.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein)
Date: 24 Mar 94 11:19:40

In article <Cn1KJ1.9pr@boulder.parcplace.com>
imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) writes:
   In article <CMzw69.92K@tower.nullnet.fi>
   Ismo.Peltonen@tower.NullNet.FI writes:
   >> * FreeBSD has a more polished look and feel.  Linux definately looks and
   >> feels like a beta product.  FreeBSD seems to have consistancy where
   >> Linux does not.
   >
   >What do people mean with this (`looks and feels like a beta/not finished')?
   >What in Linux makes that unfinished look'n'feel?

   From my point of view it is the building of a system.  On FreeBSD, all
   I type is "make world," then go out for the night.  When I come back,
   all my user level utilities have been build and installed (in addition
   to libraries, include files, etc).  For Linux I must have missed
   something because I've never seen a source distribution I could do
   this with (feel free to prove me wrong).  This is due, I think, to the
   fact that there is exactly one core distribution and an central group
   running the show that is responsible (as a group) for the entire
   system.

I believe that the TAMU distribution allows this.

   Also, the many different distributions on Linux is confusing and adds
   to the perception that it isn't quite there yet in terms of the
   integration part of the project.  FreeBSD has one place to get the
   sources for the entire system, while I have to grab sources from
   hither and yon for Linux.  I can't grab n tar balls of source from
   somewhere and expect one make command to compile and install the
   system.

Maybe when Linux development becomes as slow as FreeBSD development,
with as few people working on it, then Linux will only be on one
server too.


--
Harvey J. Stein
Department of Mathematics
Hebrew University
hjstein@math.huji.ac.il

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From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Subject: Re: SCSI Magneto-Optical Drive Supported?
Date: 24 Mar 1994 20:51:25 +0100

In <2mnsqb$4qv@malux.UUCP> vincent@malux.UUCP (Vincent Gillet) writes:

...
>I've got a 128Mo Magneto-optical drive on my linux box.

Which manufacturer ? Name of the drive ?

>It works on my 1542B exactly as a hard-disk. I can mount this disk as any
>hard-disk, it means I can put DOS, ext2, .... I only have to mount it
>correctly.
 ^^^^^^^^^

Is there anything special about how to mount it ? Please let us know.
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  ws@xivic.bo.open.de
"Hi, Bill. You sound a bit depressed to me."
"It's worse than that. I'm dead, Jim."
  -- Terry Pratchett, Johnny and the Dead

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 22:57:00 +0000

* In message <1994Mar23.081030.3184@hitech.po.my>, Terence Tan said:

TT> SCO however is a COMMERCIAL unix and has a
TT> lot of COMMERCIAL applications.. Until some firms decide to start
TT> using LINUX as a possible commercial platform, SCO is a good bet..

All my COMMERCIAL applications for SCO run quite happily on my Linux box 
too. What's your problem?

                                Mike  
 

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From: eatkins@alpha.wright.edu (Panther)
Subject: Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 06:57:21 GMT

In article <1994Mar20.164610.6158@rosevax.rosemount.com>,
Grant Edwards <grante@hydro.rosemount.com> wrote:
>
>You mean their answering those messages by HAND?!?!  I assumed that
>they would have some kind of automated reply widget running that would
>do exactly what you suggested above.  They should have expected to be
>swamped by replies -- it wouldn't have taken more that a couple hours
>to set up an automated reply.
>
>A friend here at work who is new to Linux asked my about the new offer
>from Jana.  I told him that they were known for missing deadlines and
>not shiping product -- but this time you didn't pay until you recieved
>the package, so I told him to go ahead and give it a shot.  
>
>He hasn't gotten any reply yet.
>

hmmm, that's funny because i got some kind of reference number in the mail,
and when i wrote back to the originator of said message i got another refernce
number.

<shrug>

panther


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From: jrg@blodwen.demon.co.uk (james r grinter)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 24 Mar 1994 20:20:06 GMT

In article <2mrrjt$5p7@vishnu.jussieu.fr> card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) writes:
   It's also a waste of money for some people.  Remember that some
   people pay for receiving their mails (and it may be very expensive for
   some) and sending unsollicited mail to them is not a good idea IMO.

How much does the receipt of -one- email cost people? It's not like
they're going to make 20 posts to a newsgroup in one day, is it? They
might as well ditch the newsgroup subscription too if they're paying
by volume.

james.

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From: dgould@helix.nih.gov (Danny Gould)
Subject: Complex.h, anyone???
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 00:11:38 GMT

Hello,
    Is there a complex library for linux that is like the Cray Y-MP UNICOS
complex.h?  I am trying to write a program, and my Linux box is faster than
the Cray (no, I mean by dialing in and then telnetting, not raw speed :),
but feel free to cut out that disclaimer when bragging about Linux...
Anyways, I need this on short notice, and I don't know how often our news
updates.  I would be glad to summarize if there is any interest for some
strance reason.
   I don't find it a problem to code the complex as a struct or to have
alternating array elements as them, but the sin, cos, etc I can't do
within the day that I have left to get this program working.  If I do end
up wrting my own, I will be glad to GPL it for everyone.

--
Danny Gould   N3HCH   Supercomputer/Internet Addict
Montgomery Blair High School    UNIX sysop
CapAccess, DC Area Public Access Networking Project Youth Council Co-Pres.
LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX

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From: edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Edwin Tisdale)
Subject: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 22:15:40 GMT

I have been keeping a list of "Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors"
which I post from time to time in this and other newsgroups.
None of the three major mail order companies (AMBRA, Dell and Gateway)
that I contacted was willing to install Linux on any of the machines
that they sell so it is unclear which (if any) of their machines will
run Linux and the X Window System.  All of the vendors listed below
will install Linux on the machines that they sell but provide varying
amounts of support for it.  I have not dealt with any of these vendors
except 20/20 Technologies so I cannot recommend them to you.
But I have received numerous glowing testimonials for some of them
so perhaps people who have dealt with them will post a followup
to this article and tell us more about them.

Three vendors (20/20 Technologies, SW Technology and Fintronic USA, Inc.)
sell 486 based workstations which run Linux and the X Window System.
In order to get a feel for the prices these vendors were charging,
I asked each vendor to give me a quote for the following configuration:

*       66 MHz 486DX/2 with 3 VESA Local Bus slots
*       8 MB 70 ns System Memory
*       16 bit IDE Hard/Floppy Controller and I/O card
*       425 MB 3.5" 12 ms. Hard Disk Drive
*       1.44 MB 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive
*       32 bit VESA Local Bus, 1280x1024, 1 MB Super VGA graphics card
*       15" 0.28 mm dot pitch Non-Interlaced color monitor
*       Mini-tower case and power supply
*       101 key Keyboard
*       3 button high resolution serial mouse
*       Linux, X, Open Windows, LaTeX, TeX, C++, etc.
*       Two Year warrantee

Enjoy, Bob Tisdale (edwin@cs.ucla.edu)

                20/20 Technologies
                1786 Westwood Boulevard
                West Los Angeles, CA 90024
                Tel: (310) 441-8855
                     (800) 486-2020
                Fax: (310) 441-8869
                Net: ahou@netcom.com
                Price: $1669
                Contact: Kurt Costen

                SW Technology
                251 West Renner Suite 229
                Richardson, TX 75080
                Tel: (214) 907-0871
                Net: swt@netcom.com
                Price: $1685
                Contact: Marvin Wu

                Fintronic USA, Inc.
                1360 Willow Rd., Suite 205
                Menlo Park, CA 94025
                Tel: (415) 325-4474
                Fax: (415) 325-4908
                Net: linux@fintronic.com
                       lma@fintronic.com
                Price: $2130.59
                Contact: Larry M. Augustin


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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 23:55:26 GMT

In article <1994Mar23.121419.3623@resonex.com>, michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) says:
+---------------
| In article <1994Mar22.170009.5196@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
| >Where have you been the past few months?  OSF made the Motif specs public as
| >part of the COSE CDE project.
| 
| But not the code.  In fact, they've increased their licensing fees for
+------------->8

At risk of repeating myself:  that did OPEN LOOK a lot of good, didn't it?

Actually, the whole claim is a bit naive.  Certaily, free/unencumbered code is
a part of it --- but if it were really important Motif would never have gotten
anywhere.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: dan@oea.hacktic.nl
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 22:23:05 GMT

Matt Welsh (mdw@cs.cornell.edu) wrote:

: You don't seem to be n favour of helping anyone by opposing this proposal.
: You still haven't justified yourself.

This is an utterly bogus argument. There is nothing preventing anybody from
helping people right now. If you feel the volume is too high, then pick the
load you can handle (say 20 messages per day), read it and respond to the
best of your ability. In another post you say a news reader cannot help in
solving the high volume problem. I say it can and here is my method:

- I use tin but I'm sure other readers offer similar facilities.
- I spend 5 minutes scanning the headers and marking subjects I am not
  interested in or don't know enough about as "read". Subjects such as:
        -GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX, MAKE MONEY FAST, DOOM, Linux vs BSD
        (persistent threads of this nature go into the kill file)
        -Topics about hardware I'm not familiar with.
        -Slackware/Debian (never installed them)
        -Software I'm not familiar with/Don't use.
- This takes care of a large chunk (over 60%) of the load.
- Many of the questions get a satisfactory answer before they reach my
  sight. This takes care of more. (I save some messages I might need at
  later)
- Of the rest, I answer some question that I can quickly and read answers
  to some for my own benifit.
- This takes about 45 minutes. If I have time later I might read some of
  the stuff I skipped earlier or write somthing like this :-)

So what is the problem?

-- 
|< Dan Naas        dan@oea.hacktic.nl >|
+--------------------------------------+

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Subject: setting up linux..?
From: kmichels@scws9.harvard.edu (Kenneth Michelson)
Date: 23 Mar 1994 15:31:43 GMT

I am getting a new machine in a week. I want to put linux on half my hard drive.
Do I need to partition my drive into two dos partitions and install linux on 
one, or what?  

Also, can you access a dos partition from withing linux and vice versa?

Thanks,
Ken


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From: jfk@lycidas.sgi.com (John Kraft)
Subject: Re: Linux on a portable
Date: 25 Mar 1994 01:12:40 GMT

In article <2ms1ec$lnf@oak7.doc.ic.ac.uk> mmh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Mirza Manar Hussain) writes:

   Has anyone got Linux working on a portable computer?
   If so which one etc?


I'm running Linux 0.99.15f on an AMS (TravelPro?) notebook successfully. 
I purchased the system with Linux in mind, so I got 486DX2 processor,
16 megs of memory, and a 500 meg disk with it.  I installed Slackware with 
no problems, and X seems to work fine.  

-John

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From: dmarples@voyager.eee.strath.ac.uk (David Marples)
Crossposted-To: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: anykey and olvwm
Date: 24 Mar 94 13:22:12


I've got my anykey set up to switch between VCs.  All I did was hit
CTRL-PROGRM_MACRO and then key the appropriate sequence.  When
finished hit PROGRM_MACRO again and its then stored.

I know this isn't *quite* what you want to do, but provided that there
are equiv. keysequences for each of the operations that you wish to
perform (I don't use olvwm, so I don't know) it shouldn't be a
problem.  As far as I'm able to tell the keyboard itself justs sends
the expanded macro, the machine never knows that the keys themselves
weren't pressed.

Hope this helps - e-mail for more.

DAVE
D.J.Marples@strath.ac.uk

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: mr2@netcom.com (Jongyoon Lee)
Subject: Another xdm quirk?
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 01:44:15 GMT


Well, I noticed that in the very first xdm session after the machine 
boots up, the middle mouse button works as the first mouse button.  
So in xterms, the middle button highlights the text instead of 
pasting the selected text.  If I log out, and then log in again,
the middle button works as supposed to.  Or, during the first xdm session,
if I switch to other VC and run /usr/X386/tst/mouse/mouse, it
fixes the problem.  I run Linux kernel 1.0, XFree86-2.1 S3 server, and
the latest libc with #9GXEl12 videocard and Logitech Mouseman.
My Xconfig is fine.  I didn't have this problem with startx script.
And I don't think I had this problem before I upgraded the kernel to 1.0
and libc from 4.5.19 to 4.5.21.  So I *think* either the new kernel
or the new libc broke xdm.  I even recompiled xdm myself after
reading the libc release note about possible xdm problem, but still
doesn't work.  What can be the problem??


Jongyoon

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| University of California  |  _/  _/       _/            _/  _/            |
|        Los Angeles        |     _/       _/            _/  _/             |
|     Computer Science      |    _/       _/    _/_/_/  _/  _/    _/_/_/    |
|    jong@seas.ucla.edu     |   _/       _/   _/    _/  _/_/    _/     _/   |
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|                           |   _/_/_/_/  _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/  |
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+

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From: robert@cs.uchicago.edu (Robert Szelepcsenyi)
Subject: sz/rz for linux wanted
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 00:00:56 GMT



Hi,

My father accesses Internet with a modem via a server running linux.
There is a kermit on the server, but no z-modem. I would like to get
some source for rz/sz and compile it on the server for my father. I
just don't have any idea where to look for it.

There is also a talk program on the machine, which won't work with any
other machine, just locally. It always says that the connection is refused
by the other machine. Is it possible to get the source of some
functional version of talk?

Thanks for your help in advance

Robert

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From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next
Subject: Re: PCI bus cards (graphics and SCSI) which work?
Date: 25 Mar 1994 02:07:32 GMT

In article <2mslqq$1vl8@rs560.cl.msu.edu>,
jeffrey d evans <evans@rs560.cl.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>Hi all, 
>
>  I will be in the position to recomend a Pentium machine to purchase and had a
>few questions about the few PCI cards out there.
>  
>  What high performance graphics cards are there for the PCI local bus that are
>out and have decent support for them.  I want to keep all my options open as 
>far as operating systems go(OS/2, Linux(Xfree86), NeXtStep, NetBSD...).  I also
>want to atleast a 1280x1024 256 colors 72hz noninterlaced top resolution and 
>display rate(I will consider others though). 
>
>  As for the SCSI PCI cards, I'm looking for Fast SCSI2 support for OS/2, 
>Linux(Xfree86), NeXtStep, NetBSD(...).  I've seen many manufacturers advertising
>PCI bus SCSI cards, but they don't say who makes them or what operating systems
>they support.
>

Currently, your only PCI SCSI option that stands a chance of working is 
the Buslogic 946.  It purports to be Adaptec 1540 compatable, like the 
EISA/VESA/ISA boards in the series.

I'm working on getting the Linux NCR53c810 driver stable, some one else
is doing the same thing for one of the BSD flavors.  Fast busmaster,
often included on mother board implementations, supposedly available
for $100 in card for sans BIOS (many of the PCI boards that don't 
include the NCR onboard still have the NCR BIOS).  This covers the 
majority of PCI SCSI adapters on the market (Nexstor, Chaintech,
Gigabyte, FIC, etc).

Adaptec is shipping a FAST WIDE version of the AIC-7770 with a 
PCI interface, AIR is using it on their Pentium boards, but 
I haven't seen any board level product with it.  Scott Ferris 
is working on the AIC-7770 driver under Linux, but I don't 
know of anyone doing the same thing under one of the BSDs.

Emulux has a propriety FAST+WIDE PCI controller, it's unlikely that
it will show up as supported under one of the BSDs or Linux anytime
soon since the NCR based controllers are cheaper and more prevalant
(even included on many mainboards which don't have a real price difference
versus non SCSI equipped boards) and the Buslogic controllers are compatable
with the 1540 so I doubt anyone will buy them.

Forex is shipping a PCI SCSI adapter, I don't have details.

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From: thanatos@drealm.drealm.org (Peter Jones)
Subject: Re: [Q] BBS programs?
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 20:28:43 +0000

On 22 Mar 1994 18:32:16 -0000, I wrote incorrectly:
> Yes!  You can download the PERL version of the drealm conferencing system
> from ftp.cix.ufl.edu:/pub/perl/scripts/bbs/drealm
.............^ this should be an `s'.

My thanks to sjl@unixuser.chi.il.us for pointing out this typo and my
humble apologies to everyone who was disappointed when the tried the
address...

Just to state it clearly...
ftp.cis.ufl.edu:/pub/perl/scripts/bbs/drealm

-- Peter

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From: jburnes@crl.com (Jim Burnes)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Telnet Authentication Bug!
Date: 24 Mar 1994 18:49:08 -0800

Anyone....

I think I've found a bug in the telnet deamon.

Whenever you try to telnet into a linux box and login with a user id over
8 characters, you are automatically refused.

I'm surprised no one else found this one before.

If you already have a patch to it or know where a new telnetd can be
found to remedy this situation I'd appreciate any help you could offer.

Thanks,

Jim Burnes
jburnes@crl.com


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