Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #865
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Linux-Misc Digest #865, Volume #1                Fri, 25 Mar 94 06:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: Maximum serial port speed (REPOST due to non-propogation) (Nemosoft Unv.)
  Couldn't think of a place to post.. But here goes.. (Shawn Michael Ferris)
  "Hacker's Paradise?" (was Re: Linux-1.0-inline-asm uploaded) (Paul Tomblin)
  Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX! (-J.P.A.Vierinen-)
  Mouse trouble (Douglas Donahue)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Ken Arromdee)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Carl Schott)
  Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (Raul Deluth Miller)
  Re: replacement (non-motif) for Mosaic! (David Kraus)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Rajappa Iyer)
  PCI bus cards (graphics and SCSI) which work? (jeffrey d evans)
  Re: Word processor for Linux??? (Donald Jeff Dionne)
  Re: DOOM for X (Warner Losh)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Thomas Koenig)
  Re: SCSI Magneto-Optical Drive Supported? (Mark Dobie)

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From: nemosoft@void.tdcnet.nl (Nemosoft Unv.)
Subject: Re: Maximum serial port speed (REPOST due to non-propogation)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 01:18:34 GMT

Bill Heiser (heiser@TDWR.ED.RAY.COM) wrote:
: How does one get LINUX to work with serial port speeds exceeding 38400?
: i.e. if my modem supports DTE/DCE rates of up to 57600, how do I get
: dip (for example) to work at that speed?
  
Well, yesterday I replaced the serial UART chip with a 16550 for our 14K4
modem, works excellent (no more transmissions errors while pumping our mail
& news). The modem is now hooked up to the kernel at 57600 baud without
problems. 

BTW, there are two ways to select this high speed, either by using the
setserial program. The other way is by patching the kernel a little, and
reusing numbers:

---

Biggest problem is that there are no more bits left to define more speeds
beyond 38400. Although in /linux/driver/char/serial.c the table with bauds
is extended to 115200, there's no easy way to access these indexes.

Therefor, I abused the B50 and B75 speeds from /linux/include/linux/-
termios.h (seriously, who is using such speeds anyway ?), and used their
numbers for B57600 and B115200 resp. Then I went to serial.c, and did the
same in baud_table[], but kept their positions! So:

>> termios.h
#define B57600  000001
#define B115200 000002

>> serial.c
static int baud_table[] = {
        0, 57600, 115200, 110, 134, 150, 200, 300, 600, 1200, 1800, 2400, 4800,
        9600, 19200, 38400, 0 };

Rebuild your kernel, and while in the mean time you can patch your
getty-program. I'm using getty_ps 2.0.7, it might differ for your favorite
program.... But hacks here should be trivial.

In table.c I removed the lines for B50 and B75, but added these 2 lines in
SYNTAB cmodes[] after B38400,

#ifdef B115200
     { "B57600", B57600 }
     { "B115200", B115200 }
#endif

In main.h again removed B50 and B75, added this (you guess where):

#ifdef B115200
        { B57600, 57600, "57600" },
        { B115200, 115200, "Mama Mia!"},
#endif

That's about it. Compile the bunch, install, then reboot so your kernel is
adjusted to the new speeds. Last but not least, create an entry in
/etc/gettydefs for this speed and set it up for a terminal in /etc/inittab.
Something like this should do:

# We can't get faster than this...
115200 #  B50 # B50 CLOCAL SANE -ISTRIP # Fast login: # 115200


Note the CLOCAL: this means it's for a hardwire serial line without RTS/DTS
handshaking. For modem use, remove CLOCAL.

One point: joe gets the current speed from it's termios structure, and by
using B50 and B75 as the "speeds" its output becomes extremely sloooooow.
Patch this by seeting the BAUD environmentvariable to something like 38400,
this will give you a normal, workable speed. (use'BAUD=38400; export BAUD').

Maybe this could be stuffed in permanently in the new kernel sources ?

 - Nemosoft Unv.



: -- 
: Bill Heiser   Work-> heiser@tdwr.ed.ray.com    Home-> bill@bhhome.ci.net 

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From: dg100@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Shawn Michael Ferris)
Subject: Couldn't think of a place to post.. But here goes..
Date: 23 Mar 1994 16:44:51 GMT
Reply-To: dg100@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Shawn Michael Ferris)


Can someone perhaps direct me to the right news group to post this under..
This being the only news group I read.. C.o.l.*. I am trying to compile
a list of dial-up internet access for reasonable prices. I lost my internet 
access and would very much like to get a more reliable source, so I would 
like to pay for it, for the first time in my life 8), can anyone out there 
suggest any such services. Please respond by e-mail, and flames can be sent 
/dev/null. Freenet is good for mail & news, but I really need ftp, and telnet..
Thanks in advance!

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From: ptomblin@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: "Hacker's Paradise?" (was Re: Linux-1.0-inline-asm uploaded)
Date: 22 Mar 1994 23:07:44 -0500

bf11620@ehsn3.cen.uiuc.edu (Byron Thomas Faber) writes:

>In theory, the inline-asm could be added to the upcoming Linux 1.1 
>alpha's.  In Linus' words 1.1 was to be "Hacker's paradise" (HIS OWN WORDS).

>The point was to start adding all kinds of neat stuff, then work it
>back up to stability.  At least this is how I understand it.

Remind me not to install 1.1 at work.

Does this mean that separate bug-fix releases are going to continue on 1.0
while the hackers go nuts on 1.1?  I'd like to see that - work continuing on
making 1.0 as stable as possible while new enhancements are only done in 1.1.

With 10 (soon to be 15 or 20) machines at work on various networks, I'd
apprectiate having a nice stable bug-free kernel to get them all upgraded to.

My machine at home, on the other hand, will continue to track the "hackers
paradise" probably.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, Head - Automation Design Group.
Gandalf Canada Limited
This is not an official statement of Gandalf, or of Vicki Robinson.
"Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Linux"

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From: jvi@uwasa.fi (-J.P.A.Vierinen-)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX!
Date: 24 Mar 1994 13:36:00 GMT

Carlos Myers (myers_c@ab.wvnet.edu) wrote:
: In article <24FEB199429594568@up.there.above>, God@Up.There.Above (God) writes:
: > THIS IS THE VOICE OF THE LORD!

-Stuff Deleted-

Hahahahahah...Here we have one looser again! 
By the way, do you know what CapsLock mean? :-) 

-JuHa

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From: odoncaoa@panix.com (Douglas Donahue)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linx.questions
Subject: Mouse trouble
Date: 23 Mar 1994 11:49:06 -0500

> Sender: "mark (m.s.) lord" <mlord@bnr.ca>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I suspect you are very confused.
> 
> >Probing 82C710 mouse port device
> 
> The above message is a probe for a mouse of some sort,
> probably PS/2, but I don't know for sure.
> 
> >mcd init failed: no mcd device at 0x300 IRQ 11
> 
> Whereas this message (mcd init) refers to "Mitsumi CDrom drive",
> and has nothing to do with a mouse.
> 
> -ml
========= 
> From: Johan Myreen <jem@delta.hut.fi>
> 
> >The linux boot kernel that was placed on the linux boot disk  as the result of
> >the install on my system now looks for the mouse at IRQ 11.
> 
> >     Probing 82C710 mouse port device.
> >     mcd init failed: no mcd device at 0x300 IRQ 11
> 
> These two messages are unrelated; the mcd device is a Mitsumi CD-ROM
> drive controller. The "82C710" message has been removed from Linux
> version 1.0, which hopefully results in less confusion.
> 
> The bus mouse drivers still assume the mouse is on IRQ5, the 82C710
> mouse uses IRQ12. (But that's a different story.)
> 
---- 
> 
> From: mudit p vats <vats@cis.ohio-state.edu>
> 
>         Probing 82C710 mouse port device.
>         mcd init failed: no mcd device at 0x300 IRQ 11
> 
> I believe the mcd init failed error is not related to your mouse, but
> is related to the Mitsumi CD-ROM [mcd]. I get the same message - mouse works
> fine.
> 
> Mudit Vats


Thanks to you folks that replied in such a prompt manner.As mlord@bnr.ca
surmises, I am a bit confused, and am trying to track down the config-
uration woes that I am having. I certainly was unaware that the mcd 
device was the CD-ROM device, for which I have none currently. Thanks
for clearing that up for me. I still am trying to track down the mouse 
problem I am having, however. The problem I am having is in getting X-
windows started. I configured X as described in the Xfree86 literature, 
however, upon initialization it doesn't seem to be able to find the
mouse, and dies with an error message to that effect.

I re-executed 'setup' this morning, and the second option of the
'MOUSE CONFIGURATION' option is for a '82C710' (Logitech?) mouse. I had
selected to configure the Microsoft Bus Mouse (Option 5) when I executed
the mouse configuration, because I have a Microsoft Bus Mouse! Thus,
part of the confusion! However, jem@delta.hut.fi stated that this
message has been taken out for Linux 1.0. Is that to say that a
probing takes place on the mouse device and the message should be
made to reflect the fact that a generic mouse device probe is being
executed in pre-1.0 linux? The probe also takes place in rev 1.0 on the
configured mouse device? or on an 82C710 device (irregardless)? but
simply doesn't report as much?

In any case, the focus of my activity is simply aimed at getting X up
and running. I simply have been trying to isolate where the fly in the
ointment is.

Cheers
Doug

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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 24 Mar 1994 20:17:03 -0500

In article <1994Mar25.004841.11582@cs.cornell.edu>,
Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>In the same way that you "solicit" mail by posting to one of the *.test
>groups, you "solicit" mail by not using proper keywords in your subject
>line. It's only unsolicited if you are either unaware of the mechanism
>or someone implemented it without consulting the overall readership.

A straw poll is not a consultation of the overall readership.  A RFD, CFV,
and a vote is.
--
Ken Arromdee (email: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
ObYouKnowWho Bait: Stuffed Turkey with Gravy and Mashed Potatoes

"You, a Decider?"  --Romana    "I decided not to." --The Doctor

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From: cgschott@psu.edu (Carl Schott)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 04:36:18 GMT

Matt Welsh (mdw@cs.cornell.edu) wrote:

[...stuff deleted...]
: So far, I haven't seen any arguments about the proposal that aren't
: either seated in technical considerations or Ian's "right" to do it. 
: I claim that the benefit of the convention far outweighs the technical 
: by-products that can result from improper use. I'm also claiming that

Then you're missing the crux of the issue--the proposal (1) just isn't 
practical and (2) will have very negative "intangible" effects.  

Every one of Ian's attempts to control the postings to these
groups has resulted in flamewars and hostility--from his early drafts
of the daily post to his public flaming of posters in c.o.l.d that led
to the facetious CFD on eliminating the groups.  This crusade for 
politically correct posting has already done far more harm to the 
groups than good--through increased flame traffic and fostering an 
atmosphere of hostility toward newcomers.

What you're proposing to do now is send e-mail criticizing posts to 
virtually every newcomer to these groups.  In itself, that will be a 
lot of mail traffic, and if even a small fraction of those people 
take offense, we'll all be wading through constant flamewars over it.
Since the proposal lacks any "teeth" in controlling posts, this is
inevitable, and Ian's history in this type of endeavor supports that
view.

Everyone in favor of this seems to be completely overlooking the
intangible effects this campaign has had on the groups.  I don't
mind the people asking FAQ's nearly as much as the flamewars over 
the appropriateness of posts, and found the pre-split comp.os.linux
more enjoyable to read because of its openness than the present groups.
Aren't these groups supposed to be about LINUX?  Let's use the groups 
as a tool to that end rather than focusing so much on them as an 
end in themselves.

Finally, it seems to me that all of this is being done in a futile
attempt to delay splitting the newsgroups.  The primary problem here
is growth in the overall traffic level due to increased popularity of
Linux.  Another split is inevitable, and will provide all the benefits
of this proposal with much less friction and wasted bandwidth.  Put 
Ian's "Flame-O-Matic Mailer" back in the bit bucket where it belongs,
and re-organize the groups!

My $.02

Carl Schott

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From: rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Date: 24 Mar 1994 08:51:05 -0500

Just for the record:

I'm informed by Cygnus that they don't support Linux at the moment.
[No one has hired them to do so -- if you're really serious about
wanting Cygnus to support Linux, you can take that up with them.]

Also, I got their phone number wrong.  The correct number is (415)
903-1400.

Raul D. Miller
<rockwell@nova.umd.edu>

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From: kraus@cig.mot.com (David Kraus)
Subject: Re: replacement (non-motif) for Mosaic!
Date: 23 Mar 1994 17:37:36 GMT

 On 23 Mar 1994 08:52:01 GMT, philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown) said:

 > I saw a mention of this program on comp.windows.x Under-publicised, but
 > does just about everything that Mosaic does.

 > "chimera"

 > ftpable from ftp.cs.unlv.edu

 > It doesn't have the "nifty" animated world.. but it's quite funtional,
 > and does not require motif.

 > Not only that, but it has optional "term" support built into it from the
 > start!

I've been using it under Linux for a few months.  Works dandy, except it
doesn't have the news: URL support (which one of our local server pages
uses).

It'd have been nicer had the authors used the CERN libraries and added the
Athena wrappers, but it's not a bad package, and it's faster than the
seemingly bloated Mosaic.

Compiles out of the box.  Also available at
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/packages/infosystems/WWW/Chimera/* 
--
Dave Kraus                                         Internet: kraus@cig.mot.com
Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group             FidoNet : 1:115/439.8
Disclaimer: My employer's views and my views may necessarily differ.
"Sun to burn out in 1.5 billion years!  Clinton has a plan." - Outland

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: rsi@netcom.com (Rajappa Iyer)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 00:16:47 GMT

Hate to follow up on my own post, but...

In article <rsiCn6yE0.qq@netcom.com>, Rajappa Iyer <rsi@netcom.com> wrote:

>Secondly, as has been noted in other groups when such hacks were
>proposed, not everybody has a newsreader which allows setting
>keywords. I used to post from an NCR site earlier and the news server
>gateway would simply reject posts with (for example) the distribution
>field set. That was a Unix machine too.

This is not a relevant argument since only the Subject line is being
modified. Sorry about that.
-- 
<rsi@netcom.com> a.k.a. Rajappa Iyer.  La Jolla, CA.
        I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.

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From: evans@rs560.cl.msu.edu (jeffrey d evans)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next
Subject: PCI bus cards (graphics and SCSI) which work?
Date: 24 Mar 1994 13:23:22 -0500


Hi all, 

  I will be in the position to recomend a Pentium machine to purchase and had a
few questions about the few PCI cards out there.
  
  What high performance graphics cards are there for the PCI local bus that are
out and have decent support for them.  I want to keep all my options open as 
far as operating systems go(OS/2, Linux(Xfree86), NeXtStep, NetBSD...).  I also
want to atleast a 1280x1024 256 colors 72hz noninterlaced top resolution and 
display rate(I will consider others though). 

  here's the info I have so far :
    Matrox 64 bit
            -been out a while
            -says supports os/2
            -display rates?
            -features?

    ATI Graphics Pro turbo (64bit)
            -just started seeing ads 
            -good vga support(better than Matrox)
            -anyone shipping them?
            -will the mach32 Xfree86 server work?
            -display rates?
            -features?

    ATI Graphics ultra pro (32 bit)
            -been out for a while
            -slower than all new 64 bit cards

    Viper
            -Xfree support yet?
            -bad vga performance


  As for the SCSI PCI cards, I'm looking for Fast SCSI2 support for OS/2, 
Linux(Xfree86), NeXtStep, NetBSD(...).  I've seen many manufacturers advertising
PCI bus SCSI cards, but they don't say who makes them or what operating systems
they support.


Any and all suggetstions welcome.


Jeff Evans


-- 
==========================================================================
Jeff Evans - evans@fubar.cl.msu.edu 
==========================================================================

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From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Subject: Re: Word processor for Linux???
Date: 24 Mar 1994 21:14:30 GMT

Tony Sumner (suqsumnr@reading.ac.uk) wrote:

: Word Perfect market a Unix version of their
: popular (!) word processor

: Tony Sumner
Hold on now, WordSnerfect does not yet run under Linux.  There is a project
for ibcs2, that will allow you to run it, but it's not public yet.  The very
MINUTE it's released, though, I will send my $$$ for a copy of WordPerfect...

Jeff@EE.Ryerson.Ca

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: DOOM for X
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 00:48:05 GMT

In article <2mo3r1$aia@u.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry
Lambert) writes: 
>In article <2mgvon$ljb@usenet.mcs.kent.edu> borsburn@mcs.kent.edu (Bret Orsburn) writes:
>]UNIX (at least a stripped-down run-time version) isn't overkill if the vendor
>]has to port Xlib and Xt and and several other application libs. (Motif?)
>
>First of all, mwm doesnm't require linking with libXm, or didn't last time
>I licensed the sources.

mwm does have lots of calls to Xm stuff in it, so I suspect that it
will need a libXm.  This is mwm 1.2.1.

Warner


-- 
Warner Losh             imp@boulder.parcplace.COM       ParcPlace Boulder
"... but I can't promote you to "Prima Donna" unless you demonstrate a few
 more serious personality disorders"

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From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 25 Mar 1994 09:26:12 GMT

[Followup-To: news.groups]

Carl Schott (cgschott@psu.edu) wrote in article <Cn7E4I.5xx@psu.edu>:

>What you're proposing to do now is send e-mail criticizing posts to 
>virtually every newcomer to these groups.  In itself, that will be a 
>lot of mail traffic, and if even a small fraction of those people 
>take offense, we'll all be wading through constant flamewars over it.

Not really.

First, once the convention has caught on, people who actually look at
the Subject lines before posting (and they should) will see that this
group follows a certain convention, which they will have little trouble
emulating.

Second, make the mail polite, and put in helpful information, and new
users won't mind.  Look, again, at the form letters the *.answers
moderators send out to people who have no idea what *.answers is, but
use it to send out questions.  They don't know these groups are
moderated (very often, they have no idea what moderation is), or what
the groups are actually for.  The form letter they get back politely
informs them what the groups are for, and where to go for additional
info.  If anybody has ever minded that piece of E-Mail, they have
not minded enough to send back E-Mail about it.

From this experience, I'd say the proposal has a good chance of
succeeding.

>Finally, it seems to me that all of this is being done in a futile
>attempt to delay splitting the newsgroups.  The primary problem here
>is growth in the overall traffic level due to increased popularity of
>Linux.  Another split is inevitable, and will provide all the benefits
>of this proposal with much less friction and wasted bandwidth.

You do have a point there, but I'm not too sure that a split of a
mainstream hierarchy would do any good.

It might indeed be more effective to restrict the total traffic on
the groups by introducing additional regional groups.

For example, de.comp.os.linux (German - language) is still fairly
readable despite an also large increase in traffic.  People who
know German tend to go there simply because it's easier to read,
and if you post there, you are much more likely to receive a competent
answer from fairly competent people.

I don't think THE solution lies there, but it's an avenue which
should be explored.
--
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double
logarithmic diagram.

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From: mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie)
Subject: Re: SCSI Magneto-Optical Drive Supported?
Date: 25 Mar 1994 09:56:30 -0000

In <2mnsqb$4qv@malux.UUCP> vincent@malux.UUCP (Vincent Gillet) writes:

>I've got a 128Mo Magneto-optical drive on my linux box.

>It works on my 1542B exactly as a hard-disk. I can mount this disk as any
>hard-disk, it means I can put DOS, ext2, .... I only have to mount it
>correctly.

I have a similar setup with a Ricoh 600Mb MO drive and an Adaptec 1542B.

>A good feature is I can't eject the disk before I umount the drive. So, there
>is not problem about changing disks.

I thought this was good too. I also discovered that if you do unmount
the drive and then eject and change disks the system doesn't seem to
recognise the new disk - it still thinks the old one is in there.

Is there some way I can get linux to realise the disk has changed?

(without rebooting :))

                                Mark
-- 
Mark Dobie                                      MS Windows? Linux and X!
University of Southampton                       M.R.Dobie@ecs.soton.ac.uk



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