Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #870
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Date:     Sat, 26 Mar 94 01:13:08 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #870, Volume #1                Sat, 26 Mar 94 01:13:08 EST

Contents:
  Stupid... Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Mark Biegler)
  linux info wanted (ERIC SARRAFIAN)
  Re: MEM vs. CPU power?? (B.W. Hughes)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Matt Welsh)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Matt Welsh)
  Re: CM-206 CD ROM support [Correction] (Randolph CHRISTOPHERS)
  Help with Zenith Znote mouse! (Ben Engelsma)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Warner Losh)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Matt Welsh)
  Re: Telnet Authentication Bug! (Brian H Smith-1)
  Term porting problem (Harvey J. Stein)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Damien Neil)
  where is old ghostview? (Supanee Faarungsang)
  Re: 3 CD jana offer-- Why would you guys deal w/ that ? (Wim van Dorst)
  Re: Linux on a portable (sidney hellman)
  Re: Stupid... Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Ian Soboroff)
  Re: Linux on a portable (David C. Mytchak)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Bogdan Urma)

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From: biegler@aristotle.cs.uregina.ca (Mark Biegler)
Subject: Stupid... Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 14:16:26 GMT


With regard to these Linux CD's, what kind of system do they have for
handling requests!?!  It certainly isn't working.  Here's what's happened
with me:

I sent away for the 3 Linux CD's within half-an-hour of seeing the message.
About 3 or 4 days later, I got the reply:

>Your reference number is XXXX (deleted)
>
>Thank you for ordering our special 3 CD set
>for Linux! If you have any questions regarding
>your order, please E-MAIL christina@jana.com or
>for technical questions, E-MAIL support@jana.com
>
>Christina
>CD-ROM A MONTH
>Sales/Administration

I immediately sent Christina mail asking if I was one of the first 
500 or not, since the reference number could have meant anything 
and nothing else was mentioned.  I mean, how was I to know... their
original message said that all orders which were subsequent to the 
first 500 would bounce and notify us ... right?

So, today, about 3 or 4 days later, I get a reply saying exactly
the same thing as above, with a new reference number!

So, what's going on?  Am I now receiving two copies of this
Linux CD set?  I DID NOT send mail to orders... I sent it to 
christina in the hopes she'd let me know what was what.  I obviously
don't want to send another mail message in case I order a third copy!

This product had better damn well be good if they're to make up for
the administration of this product.  I certainly don't want two of
those things.

Does anyone know the real story???

- Mark

---

Mark Biegler   (VE5MPB)                         biegler@cs.uregina.ca
Department of Computer Science                  W:  (306) 585-4110
University of Regina                            H:  (306) 522-1770
Regina, Saskatchewan  Canada  S4S 0A2           Office:  CW 307.12


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From: sarrafian@ACM.ORG (ERIC SARRAFIAN)
Subject: linux info wanted
Date: 25 Mar 1994 06:18:47 GMT
Reply-To: sarrafian@ACM.ORG

Hi Everyone

A friend has just turned me on to this linux thing...
(a low murmur sounds from the crowd)

I have been informed that not only can I escape the
the claws of DEC and Sun, I get all that will ever need
from an OS.  I want it all TCP/IP, ftp, netnews, bla, bla...
With this stud of an OS, I will be able to purchase an
even louder screamer...  

So, to get to the point - To avoid parsing through
500 posting + (4 other groups I have not looked at yet)
I would greatly appreiciate any and all info and/or
sight pointing from a linux geru

My quest has just begun, and I will continue to search the 
other groups for info...

Thanks

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From: bwh8918@ultb.isc.rit.edu (B.W. Hughes )
Subject: Re: MEM vs. CPU power??
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 20:56:09 GMT

In article <d1coma.764525064@dtek.chalmers.se> d1coma@dtek.chalmers.se (Robert Feldt) writes:
>I'm looking for a PC-system for running Linux and Xfree86, but I don't know 
>on which part of the system to spend the money!
>
>Should I buy more memory or go for a faster CPU? The choice is between a
>DX-33 system with 16MB of memory and a DX/2-66 with 8MB. I've got a feeling
>the faster system will be the best but I heard X need lots of memory
>(swapping ain't that funny!).
>
>Both systems come with Cirrus Logic 5428 Graphics Card with 1MB of memory.
>Anyone out there with experience from that one? Should I expand it with one
>more MB of memory?

    I'm running a DX-33 with 16M right now, and am completely happy with
it.  I'f you're going to run X, I'd have to say go with the 16 megs- it
works great for me.  

    Would you do me a favor and let me know how the video card works
out?  I'm looking for a new one and I'm not quite sure what to get!

-- 
-     -     -     -    -   -  - -Brian Hughes- -  -   -    -     -       -
 bwh8918@ultb.isc.rit.edu || bwh8918@cs.rit.edu || bwh8918@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
       I, and 3 others like me, crashed here on earth 37 years ago
-     -     -     -    -   -  - --          -- -  -   -    -     -       -

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 01:27:06 GMT

In article <Cn7E4I.5xx@psu.edu> cgschott@psu.edu (Carl Schott) writes:
>: So far, I haven't seen any arguments about the proposal that aren't
>: either seated in technical considerations or Ian's "right" to do it. 
>: I claim that the benefit of the convention far outweighs the technical 
>: by-products that can result from improper use. I'm also claiming that
>
>Then you're missing the crux of the issue--the proposal (1) just isn't 
>practical and (2) will have very negative "intangible" effects.  

How can we know this without trying it first? I know that there are many
reasons to believe that this proposal won't work out... in fact, it's
very likely that it will not. But why not give it a shot? It certainly
can't make things any worse than they already are.

>Everyone in favor of this seems to be completely overlooking the
>intangible effects this campaign has had on the groups.

There was "hostility towards newcomers" long, LONG before Ian ever started 
posting daily reminders and long before this proposal came forth. In fact,
in recent times this hostility has subsided considerably---it's at a low
simmer compared to the earlier days of c.o.l. Whether that has anything to
do with Ian's postings or not, nobody can say, but you surely can't accuse
his efforts of increasing the hostility.

>Finally, it seems to me that all of this is being done in a futile
>attempt to delay splitting the newsgroups.  

If anything, splitting the groups resulted in MORE traffic and MORE 
confusion. I don't see why we'd want to go through that again. Apparently
it's just too much to expect posters to USENET to adhere to the simplest of
newsgroup guidelines. 

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 01:47:42 GMT

In article <2mvgf5$1ue3@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne) writes:
>Forget it. It's a really bad (discouraging
>and on the whole, self rightous) idea.

It's anything BUT self-righteous. If it were, people like Ian and myself
would just let the newsgroups go to Hell in a HandBasket[tm] and not
care that people weren't getting help. Instead, we're trying to implement
something that will allow more people to get help from the newsgroups.
The tradeoff is that it will require users to do a bit more work (including
a keyword on their subject line; nothing to sweat about) to help the
system work more smoothly.

Maybe it's time to ditch the whole plan. USENET apparently isn't ready for
it. What we can do is set up a moderated mailing list for Linux questions
and automatically route postings in c.o.l.* that follow the subject-line
convention to it. Then those people that care enough to answer Linux 
questions but don't have the time to troll through junk can use this system
instead. Unfortunately, very few people will then know about the mailing
list and the subject-line convention, or feel pressured to use it. 

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From: randyc@lna.oz.au (Randolph CHRISTOPHERS)
Subject: Re: CM-206 CD ROM support [Correction]
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 06:15:19 GMT

adam@netcom.com (Adam J. Richter) writes:

>In article <ZY1twTC.schwendinger@delphi.com> schwendinger@delphi.com writes:
>>OK...typos notwithstanding...does anyone know of where I might find the
>>device drivers for the CM-206 (double speed) Phillips CD ROM drive ?
>>There was a gentleman from Germany who was kind enough to write the drivers
>>for the single-speed version awhile back. I've been hacking away at this
>>older version's driver with some success but am willing to throw in the
>>towel for a *working* version :>) Thanks for any info !

>       According to the person I talked to at Philips, cm205's made
>after July 1993 have a totally different io port interface from that of
>drives made before July 1993, and cm206's have approximately the same
>interface as the new cm205's.  That is probably why I haven't been able
>to get Kai Petzke's linux cm205 driver to work with my drive.

>       Until a few months ago, the only way that Philips cdrom drives
                                    ^^^^
>were sold in the United States was as an option to Gateway 2000 computers.
>Unfortunately, the tech support person at Philips told me that both kinds
>of cm205 drives were sold to gateway, so the fact that you have a gateway
>does not necessarily mean that you have one of the old drives.

Well downunder I've seen the CM205's sold with the PAS16 sound card in 
a multimedia pack. Before, anyone flames me, NO these PAS cards did not
have a SCSI port but rather a proprietery (AT bus?) Cdrom interface for
the CM205. I think this package is more than just a few months old as
the CM205 is single spin and the retailers selling them are trying
hard to dump them (judging by their price).


>-- 
>Adam J. Richter                                  Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
>349 Kiely Blvd, Apt A-205                4880 Stevens Creek Blvd.., Suite 205
>San Jose, CA 95129                        San Jose, CA 95129
>(408) 983-5141                            (408) 261-6630, fax: (408) 261-6631
>adam@yggdrasil.com                        info@yggdrasil.com
>Another member of the League for Programming Freedom (lpf@uunet.uu.net).

Randy.
-- 
L NN  N Randolph Christophers             randyc@LNA03.lna.oz.au
L N N N Software Engineer & Macintosh Network Administrator   
L N& NN Leeds & Northrup Australia P/L     
LLLLLLL ===========** All views are mine alone **===============

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From: engelsma@dogwood.gvsu.edu (Ben Engelsma)
Subject: Help with Zenith Znote mouse!
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:50:21 GMT

Hi all,

        I have a mouse problem with a Znote Zenith laptop running Linux  
and X. I am not sure what device ( i.e. /dev/cua0 or /dev/ttys? ) the  
mouse uses.  Does anyone happen to know?  Is there a way I can just switch  
the IRQ and recompile?

Please help!
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Benjamin D. Engelsma                      engelsma@beech.csis.gvsu.edu
Grand Valley State University
Telephone (616)453-0974
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


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From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 18:30:21 GMT

In article <2msn1l$d2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> slater@gandalf.nrlssc.navy.mil (Rick Slater) writes:
>My own response to this nonsense will be to bar Ian's site from sending
>mail to mine.  Or, more correctly stated, my site will reject all mail
>from his robot.

Well, since he is in the UK, doesn't he have to pay for his email?
Wouldn't an effective deterant to him sending you email be to bounce
the email?  After all, it wasn't requested mail, so it should go back
to him, right?  Return to sender and all that.

Warner
-- 
Warner Losh             imp@boulder.parcplace.COM       ParcPlace Boulder
"... but I can't promote you to "Prima Donna" unless you demonstrate a few
 more serious personality disorders"

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 01:19:12 GMT

In article <wb8fozCn89wv.2F1@netcom.com> wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) writes:
>
>Will the present proposal look at BOTH keywords & Subject?

That's certainly a possibility, but if we want killfiles to be simple on 
the reader's end, we should look only at Subject lines.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: smit0176@gold.tc.umn.edu (Brian H Smith-1)
Subject: Re: Telnet Authentication Bug!
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:54:29 GMT

In article <2mtjf4$3mp@crl.crl.com>, Jim Burnes <jburnes@crl.com> wrote:
>Anyone....
>
>I think I've found a bug in the telnet deamon.
>
>Whenever you try to telnet into a linux box and login with a user id over
>8 characters, you are automatically refused.
>
>I'm surprised no one else found this one before.
>
>If you already have a patch to it or know where a new telnetd can be
>found to remedy this situation I'd appreciate any help you could offer.
        
        I have noticed the same thing, and I think it is a bug in login
rather than in telnet. In addition to not letting users with ids ovr 
eight characters login remotely, if you make a mistake typing in your
password the first time, subsequent logins with ids over eight
characters are denied. I think the two problems are related, but I'm
not sure how to fix them (other than using short user names). 

--
__________________________________________________________________________
Brian H. Smith                           | briansmith@physics.spa.umn.edu
Dept. of Physics, University of Minnesota| Bill Gates is the Antichrist. 
__________________________________________________________________________

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Subject: Term porting problem
From: hjstein@sunset.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein)
Date: 24 Mar 94 13:08:37


I've been having trouble getting TERM to run on a Data General Aviion
running DGUX.  I can get it to compile cleanly, but I can't get it to
run.  Any help would be appreciated.  I can send term debug output to
anyone who would like to see it.  (I've been using it without problems
from my Linux box to a sun, where I also had to compile term).

I know that this is not a linux related question, but please don't
flame me for it.  I'd like to post it elsewhere, but I could find
neither a Data General newsgroup nor a term newsgroup :), and I'd
think that the linux community probably contains the major portion
of the term-users community.

Thanks,
--
Harvey J. Stein
Department of Mathematics
Hebrew University
hjstein@math.huji.ac.il

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From: damien@b63519.student.cwru.edu (Damien Neil)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 26 Mar 1994 03:03:10 GMT

In article <1994Mar26.014742.27074@cs.cornell.edu>,
Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:

>Maybe it's time to ditch the whole plan. USENET apparently isn't ready for
>it. What we can do is set up a moderated mailing list for Linux questions
>and automatically route postings in c.o.l.* that follow the subject-line
>convention to it. Then those people that care enough to answer Linux 
>questions but don't have the time to troll through junk can use this system
>instead. Unfortunately, very few people will then know about the mailing
>list and the subject-line convention, or feel pressured to use it. 

What about a trial of a slightly less radical system than Ian's before the
Ian begins auto-sending email? Let's try using a voluntary subject line
convention. Work up a list of keywords, make a post on .announce, stick
advice in the daily posting, and just see if people will be willing to
use such a convention or not.

I suspect that a fair number of people will, especially ones with a high
level of clue. It's worth a shot, at least.

At least let's get some discussion started about what keywords to use! I'm
sick and tired of all this bickering. If it wern't for the fact that the
outcome of this debate will affect the nature of these groups in times
to come I'd have killfiled this whole thread long ago.
-- 
Damien Neil  [MIME OK]   CMPS/EEAP  "Until somebody debugs reality, the best
damien@b63519.student.cwru.edu       I can do is a quick patch here and there."
  dpn2@po.cwru.edu  Case Western Reserve University         - Erik Green

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From: supat@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Supanee Faarungsang)
Subject: where is old ghostview?
Date: 25 Mar 1994 15:10:29 GMT

Hi,

I just install new slackware.  It destroy my old version of ghostview.
Now new ghost view not work on my machine, it say wrong color.
Where can I get old ghostview?

Thanks,
Supat


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From: baron@clifton.hobby.nl (Wim van Dorst)
Subject: Re: 3 CD jana offer-- Why would you guys deal w/ that ?
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 94 00:24:04 MET

Mario Nascimento wrote:
    } PS.: Just wondering now, has anybody _ever_ saw someone backing up or support-
    } ing Jay's products, company, attitudes ? I never did, unfortunately.

Oh, I did speak for some if Jana's points:
        their price is right (I mean really right)
        their products are right (both CDs that I got worked ok)
        and recently I even got a nice reponce from Christina's.

It's just that:
        their planning is lousy (but it is so for every 
                company in software/hardware. Even Linux
                1.0 took who-knows-how-long.
        their products presentations are lousy (broken boxes
                and no text printed on the CD)
        their communication are absolutely below standard

So, if you're sufficiently patient, and don't have much money
to spare, Jana may well be the company for you. In which case,
I pity you :-).

I dished out the money way-back-when, and consider it sunk. Any
CD-ROM that comes in, will be highly appreciated, be it hardly
expected.

met vriendelijke groeten, Wim van Dorst
--
=====================================================================
Blue Baron = Wim van Dorst, Voice (+31) 074-443937, (+31) 02152-42319
(-: baron@clifton.hobby.nl  tgcpwd@urc.tue.nl  WvD@Akzo.400net.nl :-)
=====================================================================

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From: sid@ldgo.columbia.edu (sidney hellman)
Subject: Re: Linux on a portable
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 18:32:36 GMT

In article <2ms1ec$lnf@oak7.doc.ic.ac.uk>, mmh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Mirza Manar Hussain) writes:
> 
> Has anyone got Linux working on a portable computer?
> If so which one etc?
> 
I purchased an NEC versa E with linux pre-installed.  It is the 50 MHz
version with an Active Matrix screen.  Excellent computer, and X is Xcellent.

                Sid 
-- 
Sid Hellman at the Passcal Instrument Center | "Quotes taken out
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory             |     of context have 
of Columbia University                       |        so much more meaning."
sid@ldeo.columbia.edu    (914)365-8728       |            - anonymous

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From: ian@umbc.edu (Ian Soboroff)
Subject: Re: Stupid... Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: 24 Mar 1994 13:20:34 -0500

In article <1994Mar24.141626.16874@sue.cc.uregina.ca>,
Mark Biegler <biegler@aristotle.cs.uregina.ca> wrote:

>I immediately sent Christina mail asking if I was one of the first 
>500 or not, since the reference number could have meant anything 
>and nothing else was mentioned.  I mean, how was I to know... their
>original message said that all orders which were subsequent to the 
>first 500 would bounce and notify us ... right?
>
>So, today, about 3 or 4 days later, I get a reply saying exactly
>the same thing as above, with a new reference number!

the same thing happened with me... i just replied to
christina@jana.com telling them please don't mail me two (which i (a)
don't need and (b) can't afford... ;-) and to delete the second
reference number.  i'm just hoping that i don't receive yet a third
reference number....

on the other hand, maybe jana reference numbers could become a classic
linux collectible.  "get all 500!"

                ian



-- 
+-----------------+------------------------------------------------+
! Ian Soboroff    !   "The only thing we have to fear, is fear     !
! ian@gl.umbc.edu ! itself... that, and pteradactyls" --  P.Slee   !
+-----------------+------------------------------------------------+

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From: dmytchak@afdc.nrel.gov (David C. Mytchak)
Subject: Re: Linux on a portable
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 08:11:49

In article <2ms1ec$lnf@oak7.doc.ic.ac.uk> mmh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Mirza Manar Hussain) writes:

>Has anyone got Linux working on a portable computer?
>If so which one etc?

Yes, I have a Compaq Contura 4/25cx with a 200 meg H/D but only 4megs of ram
(Ack!).  I have 90 megs for Linux, 10 for swap, and 100 for Dos.  Linux, Slip, 
X (mono), DosEmu, etc... all work great!  I only wish I had more ram so I can
run X in color :(


Take Care,

David C. Mytchak

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From: bau1@cornell.edu (Bogdan Urma)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 22:37:15


>That's not an excuse, nor is it the same thing at all.  linux-activists are
>for just that.  The Linux activists.  Not for the newbie that does'nt know
>what /proc/kcore is.  If you want to sit up on your "I've been using UN*X
>since before the world was born" chair, then don't respond to the people
>with questions.  

   EXACTLY!!! If you find a user's question too "simple" or too "dumb" or 
"should belong in another newsgroup" then DON'T reply!!! It's that simple! 
I've seen many users flame other user's questions, accusing them of 
wasting "precious" band space, when in fact these people are wasting even 
more space with their sarcastic and mean replies! I recall an example when 
one user wanted to know the command for finding how much free space he had 
on his hard drive, and 7 or 8 flame messages were posted telling him to read 
a UNIX book or post to comp.os.unix or whatever else, instead of just simply 
telling the user that the command is df. 
   Monitoring these groups is STUPID and will only cause people to get 
pissed off. If you guys(Ian and friends) want the pleasure of ruling a 
newsgroup, then please create another one and have fun with your superior 
knowledge and power! I myself am perfectly happy with these newsgroups and I 
think so are many others.

Bogdan Urma

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E-mail: bau1@cornell.edu  bog@server-gw.phy.cornell.edu
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