Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #874
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Linux-Misc Digest #874, Volume #1                Sat, 26 Mar 94 07:13:07 EST

Contents:
  kernel: eth0: Interrupted while interrupts are masked! isr=0x0 imr=0x0. (Clint Olsen)
  Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux). (John F. Haugh II)
  Re: How do I remove LILO after ptting DOS back on my machine (J.S. van Oosten)
  scsi host 0 timed out, scsi-guru wanted for help (Enrico Scotoni)
  Re: Linux on a portable
  Doing a netware server was (Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [) (Clayton Haapala)
  Re: ethernet transmit timeout (Clayton Haapala)
  Re: ethernet transmit timeout (Clayton Haapala)
  Re: Linux Journal Information (John R Terry)
  Re: PCI bus cards (graphics and SCSI) which work? (Jos Vos)
  Newbie? Linux install in logical drive? (Scott Le Fevre)
  Re: MEM vs. CPU power?? (James LewisMoss)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Li (Rick Emerson)

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From: olsenc@maxwell.ee.washington.edu (Clint Olsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: kernel: eth0: Interrupted while interrupts are masked! isr=0x0 imr=0x0.
Date: 26 Mar 1994 09:14:42 GMT

I am getting this occasionally with the 1.0.4 kernel.
Anyone else getting it?

I'm using the AUI port on my 3c503 etherlink II/16 on
an Intel 486 DX/2 66 motherboard.

-Clint
--
Clint Olsen
University of Washington
Electrical Engineering
olsenc@maxwell.ee.washington.edu

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.aix
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: BRACE YOURSELF, was Re: Opinions wanted about SCO-unix (vs AIX/Linux).
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 02:43:47 GMT

In article <2mq0mh$k5q@hsdndev.harvard.edu> adam@bwh.harvard.edu writes:
>John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386), (in article <1994Mar23.034952.24963@rpp386>) wrote:
>>for system administration in a decade.  My 970 has enough netgroup entries
>>that I wrot a {ls,ch,rm,mk}netgrp set of commands that I'd love for the
>>developers to include in the mythical next release.
>
>       Have you considered releasing these to alt.sources or
>somesuch?  (Hint, hint :)

Not a bad idea.  I'll have to post to alt.sources and comp.unix.aix next
time I think about it.  They are "portable" enough that they are usable
on all those stupid machines that don't have SMIT ...

>Have you signed the anti-Clipper petition?

Yes.
-- 
John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
 There are three documents that run my life: The King James Bible, the United
 States Constitution, and the UNIX System V Release 4 Programmer's Reference.

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From: jvoosten@compiler.tdcnet.nl (J.S. van Oosten)
Subject: Re: How do I remove LILO after ptting DOS back on my machine
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 02:18:10 GMT

Michael Nelson (nelson@hamlet.uncg.edu) wrote:
: I had a friend of mine help me take linux off my machine and he decided 
: the best way was to just format the drive and fdisk it.....WRONG....Now I 
: can't boot my machine without a floppy.....is there anyway I can get rid 
: of LILO with out sacraficing what is on my Hard drive right now????  

RTFM (or better: RTFF): On MS-DOS do "FDISK /MBR". This quite permamently
removes the Lilo booter from your disk.

J. v. O.

--
Don't utter the word 'vi' while I'm near. I might just die of a heartattack.
-- 
My PGP public key [version 2.3] (you know when, why and how...) :
mQCNAi1lYqsAAAEEAMCgUKS7DxyGF8D7QIGYXxRuh2n9Q2+5gIrrb1n9iOl4Xlgo
cO8Y3DE71J5K6WhlpEGDqXZIwY/Xx8mxq80ZHJ3n0pHOUxOQGdxxMT1mrKotjE4Y
wmGqnQhMhpcCKgT/5+5xhuMEluyGQqjyud3PCDogJCC/Sia7eO9+56e/13btAAUR
tC1KLlMuIHZhbiBPb3N0ZW4gPGp2b29zdGVuQGNvbXBpbGVyLnRkY25ldC5ubD4=
=3brb

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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 07:39:00 MET
From: Enrico_Scotoni@p46.keru.chg.imp.com (Enrico Scotoni)
Subject: scsi host 0 timed out, scsi-guru wanted for help

Hi all,

First of all please excuse me for posting this hardware related question here,
but I am coming in thru a fido gateway and I have no access to newsgroups other
than the linux- related forums, so please don't tell me `you should post this
to group "comp.ibm.hardware" or whatever' instead if you want to help me but
don't have the knowhow yourself please do me a favour and forward it to the
relevant group and send me the answers back. Thank you very much.

Well I am going slightly mad and I hope somebody here can help me. I get
spurious `scsi host 0 time out' messages with my configuration. I double
and tripple checked the configuration (especially termination) but I
could not find anything wrong. My configuration:

device                  scsi-id   ext/int       Terminators
===========================================================

Maxoptix Tahiti-II      3         ext           yes
       |
Adaptec AHA1542CF       7         int           no
       |
Micropolis 2112         0         int           no
       |
Wangtek 51000ES         2         int           no
       |
NEC CDR 84-1            1         int           yes

I have set my AMI BIOS setup and the AHA1542CF to the defaults in order
to eliminate any problems possibly caused by "overtuning" something. I
have no other (IDE) disk in the system and the BIOS setup is set
accordingly (disk not installed).

My other devices in the system:

Device           IRQ    base address    port address    DMA-channel
===================================================================
AHA1542CF        11     C800            330             5
TSENG ET4000     -      A000 ???        ?               ?
LPT1             7      -               3BC             -
LPT2             -      -               378             -
LPT3             -      -               278             -
COM1             4      -               3F8             -
COM2             3      -               2F8             -
COM3             2 (9)  -               3E8             -
COM4             5      -               2E8             -

What more would you need to help me ?

Oh yes: I have scsi-code:

02 88 5c aa 03 30 c0 89 df b9 2c 00 00 00 fc f3 aa 8b 44 24

Don't ask me what it means (but pls tell me)

Thank you in advance for your help

Regards

Enrico.

---

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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 01:03:12 CST
From: <U47041@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Linux on a portable

well  i run linux on a toshiba t4400c
with 12m ram and runs x asw well
for more info  pleas e-mail me to
gkapou@nisyros.ntua.gr
since my  access to netnews is shaky

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From: clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala)
Subject: Doing a netware server was (Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 19:39:48 GMT

Only Alan knows the text of the letter he got from Novell, and whether 
the things Novell was complaining about were patented items or "trade
secrets".  The latter is not protected, of course.

There is a company in California called Puzzle Systems, I believe, who
market a package that implements a Novell Server on a Workstation
(Sparc, HP, and more).  After installation, one goes to a "real" server
and does all the configuration using the usual Netware tools.  Nice
connectivity tool.

I wouldn't know if this company licensed this stuff from Novell or just
figured it out on their own.

If anybody calls to ask 'em, urge a Linux port, of course!
-- 
Clay Haapala                    "Well, there was the process of sitting around
clay@haapi.mn.org                and wishing I had more computer stuff."
                                        -- Dilbert

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From: clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala)
Subject: Re: ethernet transmit timeout
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 19:42:36 GMT

In article <1994Mar22.170332.24382@ed.ray.com>,
Bill Heiser <heiser@TDWR.ED.RAY.COM> wrote:
>In SLACKWARE 1.1.2 with kernel v1.0, the following occurs:
>
>Mar 15 15:06:34 wpc18 kernel: eth0: transmit timed out, TX status 0xc, ISR 0x0.
>Mar 15 15:06:34 wpc18 kernel: eth0: Possible network cable problem?
>Mar 15 15:06:34 wpc18 kernel: eth0: Transmitter access conflict.
>
>OR
>
>Mar 22 08:12:15 wpc18 kernel: eth0: transmit timed out, TX status 0xc, ISR 0x0.
>Mar 22 08:12:15 wpc18 kernel: eth0: Possible network cable problem?
>
>When this occurs, the system is no-longer able to communicate with the
>network, and the system needs to be rebooted.  I have pretty-much ruled
>out a local hardware problem because the same symptoms occur on another
>LINUX machine here.
>
>This is a 486/33/16mb with a 3C503 card.
>
>Has anyone else seen this?
>
>Thanks in advance,

Yes, I've seen this on a Linux box on an active Ethernet.  It did it once
to me when I was compiling something largish on an NFS directory.  It also
seemed to be that way after net-occurences that would leave "huge packet
received" messages on the Sun right next to it.

-- 
Clay Haapala                    "Well, there was the process of sitting around
clay@haapi.mn.org                and wishing I had more computer stuff."
                                        -- Dilbert

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From: clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala)
Subject: Re: ethernet transmit timeout
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 19:44:20 GMT

Hmm.  My problem was also with the 3c503 card.  I'll try the fix below:

In article <1994Mar23.100749.13400@nioz.nl>,
Erwin Embsen <erwin@nioz.nl> wrote:
>I reported the same problem about a week ago to Donald Becker, who implemented
>the 3c503 driver. He came up with the following solution:
>
>       Edit line 156 in file /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/8390.c
>       and comment out the line:
>
>           ei_local->interface_num ^= 1;       /*  Try a different xcvr. */
>
>       and recompile the kernel.
>
>I'll try to explain this (correct me if I'm wrong Donald). This piece of code
>was included in order to auto configure the 3c503 card (switching between the
>BNC and AUI connector). The point is that if it switches from BNC to AUI (due
>to transmit time outs) for some reason it will never switch back.
>
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Erwin.
>
>---
>Name      : Erwin Embsen                Email: erwin@nioz.nl
>Department: BEWON (ERSEM Project)       Phone: +31 (0)2220 - 69424 (or 69300)
>Institute : NIOZ, Texel - NL            Fax  : +31 (0)2220 - 19674
>


-- 
Clay Haapala                    "Well, there was the process of sitting around
clay@haapi.mn.org                and wishing I had more computer stuff."
                                        -- Dilbert

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From: jrt@gwd.dsto.gov.au (John R Terry)
Subject: Re: Linux Journal Information
Date: 23 Mar 94 08:44:05 GMT

linux@fylz.com (Linux Journal) writes:

>This message is to let people know the current status of Linux Journal.
>If you need more information, send e-mail to linux@fylz.com or
>call any of the contact numbers at the end of this message.

>Issue #1 Status
>--------------
>Issue #1 of Linux Journal was mailed on February 18 for US subscribers,
>Febuary 24 for non-US.  It is 48-pages, process color on some of the pages
>and generally looks pretty serious.  Perfect, no, but the comments we
>have received indicate we are on the right track.

>If you are a subscriber and have not received your copy, let us know.
>Between this office (Seattle), the office that maintains the subscription
>list (Westport, CT) and the printer/mailer (Burlington, VT) it certainly
>is possible that something got lost.  And this list doesn't even include
>what the post office might have done with it. :-)

Anyone in Oz received theirs yet??


-- 
John R Terry                                        jrt@gwd.dsto.gov.au
SPOB, Avionic Computer Systems,                     Ph:  +61 8 259 6982
Guided Weapons Division, DSTO Salisbury, S.Aust.    Fax: +61 8 259 5507

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next
From: josv@inter.NL.net (Jos Vos)
Subject: Re: PCI bus cards (graphics and SCSI) which work?
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 10:42:02 GMT

evans@rs560.cl.msu.edu (jeffrey d evans) writes:

>  What high performance graphics cards are there for the PCI local bus that are
>out and have decent support for them.  I want to keep all my options open as 
>far as operating systems go(OS/2, Linux(Xfree86), NeXtStep, NetBSD...).  I also
>want to atleast a 1280x1024 256 colors 72hz noninterlaced top resolution and 
>display rate(I will consider others though). 

>  here's the info I have so far :

I'm considering to buy the SPEA/Video-7 Mercury PCI with 2 MB VRAM.
It can do what you want.  Unfortunately I have (until now) only heard 
of people using the VLB version of this card, so I'm not sure about
100 % compatibility between the VLB and PCI versions.

-- 
--   Jos Vos   <josv@NL.net>

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From: idhs500@indyvax.iupui.edu (Scott Le Fevre)
Subject: Newbie? Linux install in logical drive?
Date: 23 Mar 94 21:49:16 -0500

I'm looking at installing linux down the road.  I need to know if linux can be
installed on a logical drive or if it must be installed on a physical partion? 
The same question applies for the swap disk too.  I will be using some sort of
boot manager to handle the tricky stuff.

Sorry for the NEWBIE question but I didn't find this addressed in the FAQ or
install-guide.2.0.  Please reply to me directly.

==========================================================================
 Scott Le Fevre                  If Bill and Hillary get a divorce....
 slefevre@etsun.tech.iupui.edu    ...who gets the house?
 idhs500@indyvax.iupui.edu


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From: moss@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (James LewisMoss)
Subject: Re: MEM vs. CPU power??
Date: 26 Mar 1994 01:14:40 -0500

bwh8918@ultb.isc.rit.edu (B.W. Hughes ) writes:

>In article <d1coma.764525064@dtek.chalmers.se> d1coma@dtek.chalmers.se (Robert Feldt) writes:
>>I'm looking for a PC-system for running Linux and Xfree86, but I don't know 
>>on which part of the system to spend the money!
>>
>>Should I buy more memory or go for a faster CPU? The choice is between a
>>DX-33 system with 16MB of memory and a DX/2-66 with 8MB. I've got a feeling
>>the faster system will be the best but I heard X need lots of memory
>>(swapping ain't that funny!).
>>
>>Both systems come with Cirrus Logic 5428 Graphics Card with 1MB of memory.
>>Anyone out there with experience from that one? Should I expand it with one
>>more MB of memory?

>    I'm running a DX-33 with 16M right now, and am completely happy with
>it.  I'f you're going to run X, I'd have to say go with the 16 megs- it
>works great for me.  

>    Would you do me a favor and let me know how the video card works
>out?  I'm looking for a new one and I'm not quite sure what to get!

Just for infos sake and since I liek me card so much.  I have a ATI
Mach32 localbus, and I'm getting crisp 135mhz 1280x1024 on it at the
moment, and its great.  I thank the XFree team for what the've done.
It's really great.  Anyway, I don't know much about the other video
cards, and how they work with X, but the ATI works great.

>-- 
>-     -     -     -    -   -  - -Brian Hughes- -  -   -    -     -       -
> bwh8918@ultb.isc.rit.edu || bwh8918@cs.rit.edu || bwh8918@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
>       I, and 3 others like me, crashed here on earth 37 years ago
>-     -     -     -    -   -  - --          -- -  -   -    -     -       -

jim


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Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Li
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 23:48:00 -0640

 @SUBJECT:Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring          N
MD> Message-ID: <1994Mar25.004841.11582@cs.cornell.edu>
MD> Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc,news.groups
MD> From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
MD> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
MD> 
MD> In article <rsiCn6yE0.qq@netcom.com> rsi@netcom.com (Rajappa Iyer) writes
MD> >Let us just step back a little and look at this problem in
MD> >perspective. c.o.l.* is just one heirarchy in Usenet. And surprising
MD> >as it may seem to you, people do read and contribute to more than one
MD> >group. If I have to remember a different set of rules for posting on
MD> >c.o.l.* as opposed to, say, alt.california, it is entire conceivable
MD> >that I might forget the keyword requirement. 
MD> 
MD> Perhaps. I don't think that people have problems with multiple 
MD> "rules". Many specialized groups have their own "rules" of this
MD> nature; almost all moderated groups do as well.

So?  Why add to the rules here?  Adding rules seldom makes matters
clearer.

MD> >Secondly, as has been noted in other groups when such hacks were
MD> >proposed, not everybody has a newsreader which allows setting
MD> >keywords. I used to post from an NCR site earlier and the news server
MD> >gateway would simply reject posts with (for example) the distribution
MD> >field set. That was a Unix machine too.
MD> 
MD> That's why we're talking about adding keywords on the subject line, 
MD> which virtually everyone has the ability to modify.

And what about the people who can't modify subject lines easily?  Do
we disenfranchise them?

MD> >Thirdly, some people *pay* for incoming mail and I don't think your
MD> >a clueless newbie should pay for your busy lifestyle.
MD> 
MD> Sorry, this sentence didn't parse. :) But I get the idea.
MD> Theoretically, anyone posting to USENET should expect to get 
MD> mail for it, in the form of a response. Also, people posting to
MD> USENET are costing the rest of the world "hundreds, if not thousands"
MD> of dollars to propagate the article. Why shouldn't we expect them 
MD> to do something simple like add keywords to the subject line to help
MD> the whole system run more smoothly.

Adding even more traffic to an already crowded system doesn't seem
to be a very practical way to reduce volume.  In fact, I'd call it
oxymoronic.  And it ignores the fact it actually costs people real
cash money for the added traffic.  Or do we disenfranchise them, too?

MD> 
MD> So far, I haven't seen any arguments about the proposal that aren't
MD> either seated in technical considerations or Ian's "right" to do it. 
MD> I claim that the benefit of the convention far outweighs the technical 
MD> by-products that can result from improper use. I'm also claiming that
MD> a "real" CFV would secure Ian's "right" to do this, if you wanted to
MD> treat this as an actual "moderation" scheme, which it isn't. So, I haven'
MD> seen any reasons why this convention, if adopted, wouldn't help the 
MD> newsgroups perform their function more effectively.

But the technical reasons *do* matter!  And the question of *anyone's*
right to impose a system like that proposed here is also very much a
major issue.  Disregarding these issues doesn't make them go away.

MD> >Make no mistake about it. What Ian is proposing is a definite change
MD> >in the way Usenet works. When I make posts to a newsgroup, I do not
MD> >expect an unsolicited piece of mail because I could not or did not set
MD> >some of the header fields. 
MD> 
MD> In the same way that you "solicit" mail by posting to one of the *.test
MD> groups, you "solicit" mail by not using proper keywords in your subject
MD> line. It's only unsolicited if you are either unaware of the mechanism
MD> or someone implemented it without consulting the overall readership.

Your logic on this is amazing.  What does posting to *.test have to do
with posting to c.o.l.x and receiving an admonition for violating one
person's rules?

MD> BTW, using something "special" like keywords never stopped anyone from
MD> figuring out how to post to linux-activists. There, the mechanism is
MD> even more complex: adding an X-Mn-Whatever: line to the header, or to
MD> the top of the body. It's just a basic requirement for posting to
MD> that mailing list. And if you screw up, and forget to include the
MD> proper X-Mn line, you get mail back from the server.
MD> 

An excellent of example of good intentions overwhelming good sense!
Linux-activists is filled with "get me out of here" messages and many
people, myself included, gave up in frustration with a system best
described as byzantine.  Thank you for providing yet another
compelling argument against automated moderation.


Richard B. Emerson  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * It is easy to propose impossible remedies.


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