Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #884
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Date:     Sun, 27 Mar 94 21:13:13 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #884, Volume #1                Sun, 27 Mar 94 21:13:13 EST

Contents:
  Re: Maximum serial port speed (REPOST due to non-propogation) (Kai Kretschmann)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (David Dyer-Bennet)
  Re: Stupid... Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29. (Buster S. Bunny)
  Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [ (Rob Newberry)
  BBS software for Linux? (Mark A. Bentley)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Mark Lord)
  Looking for Linux 1.0 in Raleigh (Keith Barrett)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Steve Sheldon)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Li (David Dyer-Bennet)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Mark Lord)
  Re: Maximum serial port speed (REPOST due to non-propogation) (Doug DeJulio)
  ncftp170-share (was Re: Term114 share patch) (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: CD ROM Drives (Mark Lord)
  Removing a Link???? (Jerald B Brown)
  NEC 3D w/ ATI Graphics Ultra Pro..?? (Kenneth Liu)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (David DeLaney)
  Linux box as an Xterm? (Przemek Klosowski)

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From: kai@kmk.rhein-main.de (Kai Kretschmann)
Subject: Re: Maximum serial port speed (REPOST due to non-propogation)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 10:34:36 GMT

Nemosoft Unv. (nemosoft@void.tdcnet.nl) wrote:

: Therefor, I abused the B50 and B75 speeds from /linux/include/linux/-
: termios.h (seriously, who is using such speeds anyway ?), and used their
You will need the B50 for receiving time stamps from a DCF77 device
using xntp. There are some cases you might need those values.

And the B75 entry might be used by the german BTX for the sending
direction, 1200 during receive. It's an older 'standard' but it might
still be used.
-- 
Kai Kretschmann,
  >>>   FidoNet:  2:2461/312, 21:491/1161, 16:100/6006   <<<
  >>>   Internet: kai@fix.kmk.rhein-main.de              <<<
  >>>   FAX/BBS:  +49-6172-305379                        <<<

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: ddb@terrabit.uucp (David Dyer-Bennet)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 18:24:59 GMT

byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:

>In article <1994Mar25.004841.11582@cs.cornell.edu>,
>Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:

>>Perhaps. I don't think that people have problems with multiple 
>>"rules". Many specialized groups have their own "rules" of this
>>nature; almost all moderated groups do as well.

>That's why they're moderated. So that they can impose such rules.

Interestingly enough, I know of an unmoderated group that uses a
(simpler) subject line keyword convention.  rec.arts.sf.written has a
general agreement that posts discussing Robert Jordan's books be
flagged with "[Jordan]" in the subject line.  There is no auto-demon
to remind people, but my understanding is that many people send manual
reminders. 

This system was put into place informally as a result of discussion in
the group, and is nearly universally followed.  It seems to be very
useful an effective and popular.

>There are no arguments about the idea because it's a good one. I'm also sure
>that a real CFV will bring out a whole lot more naysayers like myself. Many
>blew off the straw vote because they though it had no consequence. If a real
>vote came along I'll bet that a whole bunch more folks will vote and that
>there is no lock one way or the other.

I simply can't comprehend people who blow off straw votes as of no
consequence.  At a minimum, the purpose of a straw vote is to gather
an impression of opinion TO BE USED IN MAKING SOME DECISION.  I've
seen them used to settle a group name during an RFD, for example.
That has no consequences?  Ha!  It sets the name of the group for all
time (or may insure its defeat, depending on the name chosen).  In any
case Ian clearly announced that he'd be going ahead if the straw poll
showed the idea was favored.  

I suspect the naysayers are all on their soapboxes now, and what a
real vote would bring out is more quiet people who favor the proposal. 
-- 
David Dyer-Bennet, proprietor, The Terraboard            4242 Minnehaha Ave. S.
ddb@network.com, haapi.mn.org!terrabit                    Minneapolis, MN 55406
Don't waste your time arguing about allocating blame;           +1-612-721-8800
There'll be enough to go around.                            Fax +1-612-724-3314

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From: protein@catt.ncsu.edu (Buster S. Bunny)
Subject: Re: Stupid... Re: NEW PRODUCT : 3 Linux CD's and a T-Shirt for $29.
Date: 26 Mar 1994 05:06:39 GMT

jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu () writes:

>You put a smiley about "can't afford", but just in case you are really
>worried...remember that (in the US) if you receive anything in the mail
>you  didn't order, all you have to do is write "REFUSED" across the box 
>and give it back to the post office. You are in no way obligated to pay 
>anything (including return postage).

Actually... In the US, if you receive anything in the mail
that you didn't order... you are in no way obligated to return it and 
are not obligated to pay anything for it.  Now if you did order it and
told them to cancel.. then this doesn't apply.  (but if you did order it,
and it was shipped and you send it back... many companies will still
bill/charge you for the original shipping to you.... sucks but true.)


--
Chris Blackmon, N4VGK           || This is the Great American Melting
protein@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu  || Pot, not the not-so-Great American 
Duj tlvoqtaH.   Stop Seperatism.|| Compartmentalized Shelving Unit.    
WARNING: REALITY.SYS has been corrupted.  Reboot universe?  (y/n/a)

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From: rob-n@clark.net (Rob Newberry)
Subject: Re: IBM MCA and Novell Netware [
Date: 27 Mar 1994 20:03:19 GMT

: Linux supports both NFS (client/server) and Lan Manager/Pathworks/WfWg (server)
: so why support a company who are being awkward.

Exactly what do you mean by Linux supporting WfWg as a server?  Can I
mount a Linux drive on my Windows for Workgroups machine?  How?

Rob



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From: mark@myhost.subdomain.domain (Mark A. Bentley)
Subject: BBS software for Linux?
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 21:45:20 GMT

I'm interested in setting up a BBS on my Linux box.  Could someone suggest some good
Free/Shareware packages.  Thanks.

Mark Bentley
bentlema@cda.mrs.umn.edu



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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 27 Mar 1994 22:15:45 GMT

In article <1994Mar26.014742.27074@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu writes:
>
>It's anything BUT self-righteous. If it were, people like Ian and myself
>would just let the newsgroups go to Hell in a HandBasket[tm] and not

No siree.  No evidence of self-importance there..
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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Crossposted-To: triangle.general
From: barrett@aminet.uucp (Keith Barrett)
Subject: Looking for Linux 1.0 in Raleigh
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 17:56:59 GMT

I apologize for this post..

Could some kind soul living in the Raleigh/RTP area that has a Linux 1.0
kit email me? I'd like to get a copy and I don't have ftp access to
the net.

Thanks
-- 
-kgb

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
UUCP: ponds!aminet!barrett                  Keep circulating the tapes - MST3k

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From: sheldon@icss1.agron.iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 27 Mar 94 22:24:02 GMT

ddb@terrabit.uucp (David Dyer-Bennet) writes:

>Interestingly enough, I know of an unmoderated group that uses a
>(simpler) subject line keyword convention.  rec.arts.sf.written has a
>general agreement that posts discussing Robert Jordan's books be
>flagged with "[Jordan]" in the subject line.  There is no auto-demon
>to remind people, but my understanding is that many people send manual
>reminders. 

>This system was put into place informally as a result of discussion in
>the group, and is nearly universally followed.  It seems to be very
>useful an effective and popular.

 I would not mind this system at all.  If it were informally agreed to that
posters try to use subject keywords in postings to more clearly define their
content, no problem.  [Especially since I really like Jordan's books :)]

 The thing that people seem to be objecting to is the automated nature of
Ian's proposal, that and the fact that he took a Straw poll to determine if
there was any interest in it, and decided from the results that he had a
mandate from the Queen to implement it.

 I also don't think that a set list of keywords will work.  Just like in
r.a.sf.written the authors being discussed are constantly changing, and you
need to define new keywords on the fly.

 Thus a "suggested list of keywords" is good, but a mandated one is going to
fail to work properly.

>I simply can't comprehend people who blow off straw votes as of no
>consequence.  At a minimum, the purpose of a straw vote is to gather
>an impression of opinion TO BE USED IN MAKING SOME DECISION.  I've
>seen them used to settle a group name during an RFD, for example.
>That has no consequences?  Ha!  It sets the name of the group for all
>time (or may insure its defeat, depending on the name chosen).  In any
>case Ian clearly announced that he'd be going ahead if the straw poll
>showed the idea was favored.  

 A Straw Poll is part of the RFD process.  This is where you propose to create
comp.sys.binaries.vic-20, and then find out if there are actually going to be
enough vic-20 users in this world who give a hoot.

 But one doesn't consider themselves to have a mandate to create the group
until the official CFV has been done.

>I suspect the naysayers are all on their soapboxes now, and what a
>real vote would bring out is more quiet people who favor the proposal. 

 You won't know until a real vote is done.

 I suspect it'd be soundly defeated.


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From: ddb@terrabit.uucp (David Dyer-Bennet)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Li
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 18:34:12 GMT

rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson) writes:
>And what about the people who can't modify subject lines easily?  Do
>we disenfranchise them?

I think it's vital that Usenet in general not allow the
assumed-minimum newsreading capabilities to be pulled down to the
lowest common denominator.  We're already choking to death in our own
newsgroups.  The only thing that can help is *better* newsreader
technology, especially including things like keywords and threading
and smart kill/select files.

If I ran the zoo, I'd say that complaints based on "can't set
keywords", "don't have killfile capability", "can't change the
subject", and "can't quote" should all be dismissed out of hand, and
that sites wishing to connect to news should be warned ahead of time
that there are minimum capabilities assumed and the rest of the net
won't be at all sympathetic to people whining about the lack of them.

We need to go UP, not down.
-- 
David Dyer-Bennet, proprietor, The Terraboard            4242 Minnehaha Ave. S.
ddb@network.com, haapi.mn.org!terrabit                    Minneapolis, MN 55406
Don't waste your time arguing about allocating blame;           +1-612-721-8800
There'll be enough to go around.                            Fax +1-612-724-3314

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Crossposted-To: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 27 Mar 1994 22:31:01 GMT

In article <CnAGGt.JtH@unix.portal.com> pierre@shell.portal.com writes:
>>In article <2mpm9r$et5@bmerha64.bnr.ca> mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes:
>
>>> It is going to waste incredible email bandwidth, [...]
>
>I wish at least experienced users would think before talking about
>bandwidth. Please consider that a netnews post is transmitted  from
...
Me too.  Consider what will happen:

        1. somebody tries out linux, has a problem, and posts a question.
        2. somescmuck emails them telling them to repost with keywords.
        3. somebody else posts a followup to (1).
        4. somescmuck emails them telling them to repost with keywords.
        5. the original newbie posts again, with keywords.
        6. somebody else posts a new followup to their second help request.
        7. the flames begin in both the newsgroup and email.

We now four posted messages, at least two emailed messages, plus flame traffic.

Now *that's* wasted bandwidth.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio)
Subject: Re: Maximum serial port speed (REPOST due to non-propogation)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 22:30:53 GMT

In article <1994Mar23.011834.6267@void.tdcnet.nl>,
Nemosoft Unv. <nemosoft@void.tdcnet.nl> wrote:
[...]
>Therefor, I abused the B50 and B75 speeds from /linux/include/linux/-
>termios.h (seriously, who is using such speeds anyway ?), and used their
>numbers for B57600 and B115200 resp. Then I went to serial.c, and did the
>same in baud_table[], but kept their positions! So:
[...]

IMHO, this is a bad idea, and I'll stick to "setserial" myself.  Any
program that gets the baud rate from the tty driver could have trouble
if you teach the kernel that 56kbaud is slower than 110 baud...

For example, Emacs and trn have these baud rate thresholds below which
they behave differently.  When the baud is less than a certain value,
they change their behavior to conserve bandwidth.  They might get
confused if one applied your patches, unless one took measures to
prevent this (like "stty 38400").  I'd rather not bother, so I'll just
keep using "setserial".

-- 
Doug DeJulio
ddj+@cmu.edu

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From: bcr@k9.via-term114 (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: ncftp170-share (was Re: Term114 share patch)
Date: 27 Mar 94 00:25:58 GMT
Reply-To: bcr@physics.purdue.edu


This probably isn't worth another announcement in col.announce,
but I should mention before people start asking me that I've
uploaded a version of ncftp to sunsite.unc.edu that can safely
be used in "shared" mode.

sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/termstuff/ncftp170-share.tar.gz

                             Bill

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: CD ROM Drives
Date: 27 Mar 1994 22:53:25 GMT

In article <CnAJt1.8Dz@newsflash.concordia.ca> p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA writes:
>
>
>I would some questions concerning CD ROM Drives.
>
>I might but a Sony 33A.  Since I'm interested in buying Linux on CD I'd
>like to know if this drive is supported by Linux?

Yes it is.  It uses the Sony CDU31A driver that is included in the kernel.

Note that like just about all non-SCSI cd-drives, the sony 33A is *polled*
(no interrupts, no dma).  Thus, performance depends a lot on the actual
driver code.  The best driver code in the kernel today seems (to me at least)
to be that for the Panasonic/Matsushita style of drives, including all drives
that can be connected to a sound-card CD interface.

If you have a sound card, I *think* the Sony 33A can be connected to it
instead of using the finicky sony board.  That being the case, you get to
use the fast Panasonic driver instead of the CDU31A driver.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: brownjb@fiu.edu (Jerald B Brown)
Subject: Removing a Link????
Date: 27 Mar 1994 22:50:18 GMT

Hello to all
 
If this is a FAQ, please direct me to it.
 
I have a symbolic link (X to vga16) and I would
like to change it to something else, like X to svga.
 
I'm not familiar with symbolic links, and I have
not been able to find much info on it.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Javier

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            7777    77     77   77

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              26591572r@servax.fiu.edu

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: kliu@callamer.com (Kenneth Liu)
Subject: NEC 3D w/ ATI Graphics Ultra Pro..??
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 23:47:09 GMT

I have a 486DX-25 system with a NEC 3D monitor and ATI Graphics Ultra Pro 
w/ 2MB VRAM.  I'm trying to install Linux (patch 15 I think) w/ X 
Windows.  However, I can't get the timing right for 800x600.  I tried all 
the values in the modeDB.txt file for NEC 3D and they don't work.  I 
seemed to narrow down the problem to my dot-clock value, which seems to 
work for 31 only.  If I use something like 36, I get a blank screen.

Could somebody please point me in the right direction here?  Thanks, any 
help is appreciated!

- Ken


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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: dbd@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 23:58:19 GMT

ddb@terrabit.uucp (David Dyer-Bennet) writes:
>byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
>>Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>>>Perhaps. I don't think that people have problems with multiple 
>>>"rules". Many specialized groups have their own "rules" of this
>>>nature; almost all moderated groups do as well.
>
>>That's why they're moderated. So that they can impose such rules.
>
>Interestingly enough, I know of an unmoderated group that uses a
>(simpler) subject line keyword convention.  rec.arts.sf.written has a
>general agreement that posts discussing Robert Jordan's books be
>flagged with "[Jordan]" in the subject line.  There is no auto-demon
>to remind people, but my understanding is that many people send manual
>reminders. 

rec.arts.tv.soaps, which is a very high-volume group, also uses (completely
voluntarily) a Subject-line keywords convention, and seems to have no problems
whatsoever with it; read their FAQ sometime and then tell me c.o.l.* has that
many keywords that will be applicable...

Dave "will not watch soaps (except Soap) for food" DeLaney
-- 
David DeLaney: dbd@utkux.utcc.utk.edu; "A penny, a penny, twopence, a penny and
a half, and a half penny!"; Disclaimer: IMHO; Thinking about this disclaimer __
may cause headaches, offense, brain seizure, or particle physics. VRbeableDJK\/
http://enigma.phys.utk.edu/~dbd for the net.legends FAQ + miniFAQs, or anon-ftp

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.apps
From: przemek@rrdjazz.nist.gov (Przemek Klosowski)
Subject: Linux box as an Xterm?
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 22:27:26 GMT

Hi,

I know I am going to get flamed for that :^), but I want to use a 386 PC
running Linux as if it was an X terminal. We have few machines that
are slow (16-20 MHz) and have small hard disks, so that they aren't
very good for development work. We are short on color screens though,
so I would like to use the PCs as Xterms for other general work.

I am looking for a program that would talk to XDMCP servers, display
the login box and log in using xdm facilities to the XDMCP host.

Can anyone suggest where should I look?
        

--
                        przemek klosowski (przemek@rrdstrad.nist.gov)
                        Reactor Division (bldg. 235), E111
                        National Institute of Standards and Technology
                        Gaithersburg, MD 20899,      USA

                        (301) 975 6249

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