Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #886
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Date:     Mon, 28 Mar 94 07:13:12 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #886, Volume #1                Mon, 28 Mar 94 07:13:12 EST

Contents:
  Re: PCI bus cards (graphics and SCSI) which work? (Kai Uwe Rommel)
  Re: Removing a Link???? (Zenon Fortuna)
  Re: Linux 1.0 comes out on same day Apple announces new mach (CHRISTOPHER D DUKES)
  Re: c.o.l.x and automatic mod (Pierre Uszynski)
  Re: setting up x11 and xfree (esullivan@linux.pcweek.ziff.com)
  SETGID files and linux (Greg Hennessy)
  Re: Linux on a portable (David Fox)
  Re: Xfree and Mouse??? (David Fox)
  Where can I ftp the PLIP ? (Wei Hua)
  How to tell the version of a binary ? (I miss "what") (Zenon Fortuna)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux (Ken Hornstein)
  Re: Slackware 1.1.2 weird tex behaviour - kernel problem? (Jan Wielemaker)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  XFree and the Chips & Tech F65530 (Gianluigi Zanetti)
  Re: Word processor for Linux??? (JAMES HALL)
  Re: Can I use a non SCSI tape backup with Linux? (Byron J Patterson)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Thor Lancelot Simon)
  [SLACKWARE] 1.2.0 lite? Space savers comment (Sergio Fanchiotti)
  Re: The Keyword Debate Continues (Stephen Harris)

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From: rommel@ars.muc.de (Kai Uwe Rommel)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next
Subject: Re: PCI bus cards (graphics and SCSI) which work?
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 19:29:51 +0100

laire@davinci.uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt) writes in article <2n1lo6$olj@davinci.uni-paderborn.de>:
>josv@inter.NL.net (Jos Vos) writes:
>
>
>>I'm considering to buy the SPEA/Video-7 Mercury PCI with 2 MB VRAM.
>>It can do what you want.  Unfortunately I have (until now) only heard 
>>of people using the VLB version of this card, so I'm not sure about
>>100 % compatibility between the VLB and PCI versions.
>
>I'm also interested in some NS-PCI-Support information...
>i plan to buy a PCI board with build in SCSI(NCR) and i'm
>wondering if there's already driver support or something in
>the pipeline.

SCSI (NCR) support is there, although it has a few shortcomings still.
Besides offering great performance, their driver currently can't
address memory >16MB, due to a bug. A new driver is said to be
released (according to NCR support people) during the end of April
which will solve that problem. Another known problem is that current
versions of the NCR SCSI BIOS (SDMS) can't correctly handle disks
larger than 1 GB. Again, according NCR support people and verified by
a board maker who uses it, a new version of it is currently in test at
the board maker's and will soon solve this problem. Besides these two
problems, the NCR SCSI chip on PCI boards seems to be very fast and
also quite stable.

For graphics cards, the fact that such a card has PCI bus should be
transparent (invisible), except that it is faster. We have one PCI
machine here with a PCI version of the Miro Crystal 8S (S3805) and it
is *really* fast, even about 20% faster than the VLB version in a
machine with the same bus clock. The IBM S3 drivers worked fine
immediately, like they also run fine on the VLB and ISA versions of
that graphics card.

Kai Uwe Rommel

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DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams

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From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: Re: Removing a Link????
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 23:06:15 GMT

In article <2n52ja$8d2@schema.fiu.edu> brownjb@fiu.edu (Jerald B Brown) writes:
>Hello to all
> 
>If this is a FAQ, please direct me to it.
> 
>I have a symbolic link (X to vga16) and I would
>like to change it to something else, like X to svga.
[...]
>Javier
>

Just use rm(1L) to remove the old link and create the new one with the
"ln -s ... ..."

                -Z.

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From: cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER D DUKES)
Subject: Re: Linux 1.0 comes out on same day Apple announces new mach
Date: 28 Mar 1994 04:21:03 GMT

In article <41541@mindlink.bc.ca>,
Robert Broughton <Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca> wrote:
>
>
>One suggestion, if something like this actually happens: I've read that
>there's about 6,500 applications available for AIX. So, if anybody out
>there makes Linux run on PowerPC's, do it in such a way that it can execute
>AIX binaries.
Just a couple of reminders, 1) AIX isn't just for the RS/6K (There is
also the RT PC version which deserves most AIX epithets thrown in its
general direction) 2) There are lots of fun applications for AIX like
3270 emulation programs that work through a 3278/3279 card, and SNA
in short things that most users don't want. 3) We were speaking of
the PowerMac which is an ugly system for running a Unix on, and even
uglier for running 'X' (I'll retract that opinion when I get X11 setup
on an RT with a two button mouse, but I haven't done that yet.).

A couple of questions.
1) What exactly keeps Linux from running on MCA machines?  According
to a friend of mine the information on MCA is apparently available
given the right questions.
2) Why port to the power mac if a port for RS/6Ks is desired when
the PPC based RS/6K mod 250 is available (Remember it isn't the
CPU that is a bitch to port for...  Its everything between the
CPU and the user, or other CPUs)?
3) Given a port to the PPC, or RS/6K it is realized that the key
in allowing AIX binaries to run would be to know the binary format
for AIX?

And the pondrings on those questions mark the difference between
FreeBSD and Linux.  FreeBSD has the resources for ports to
PPC based RS/6Ks, macs, and whatever may come.  Linux currently
does not.  On the other hand the Slackware (and hopefully the Debian)
distributions make it extremely straight forward to setup a complete
workstation with minimum hassle.
Perhaps one day enough individuals with enough expertise
will get together to do the appropriate tinkerings, but not yet.
-- 
"Very Pete Townshendish." "Who?" "Exactly."
cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu cdukes@nyx.cs.du.edu pakrat@vnet.ibm.com

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From: pierre@shell.portal.com (Pierre Uszynski)
Subject: Re: c.o.l.x and automatic mod
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 07:46:51 GMT

In <1.6391.2381.0N27C1F0@dscmail.com> rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson) writes:

>Moderation, whether it's the store and forward form most
>commonly seen in mail lists or the proposed method of somehow
>generating some type of warning message meant to discourage noise
>generators, limits free discussion.  That limitation is inherent in
>the very definition of "moderation."

The current project has no such limitation, and that's why it's not
called moderation but monitoring.

>The argument was made, in effect; the messages are "tiny" and don't
>add much.  A note here, a note there, and soon there's a lot of mail
>taking up bandwidth.

See my analysis on bandwidth in news.groups. It's NO bandwidth, even
if you nit-pick on what I said (Hi there! :-).

>The automatic moderation scheme imposes a distinctly elitist feel to
>c.o.l.x; get a message wrong and get a warning from The Moderator.

uhuh, it's "monitoring" MO-NI-TO-RING, and it's not a warning, but
an advice that you would get a better answer (as opposed to no
answer now) if you used a flag in your subject line next time. That's
clearly not a threat, you are free to ignore it completely, and your
next post will also get through just the same, just as now.

You sound to me like you will not be using the keywords: do you have
the feeling that, once you get your name on a "no-junk-mail-please"
list, you will be harassed in any way? really? (and don't bother
to answer if you think we are still at the "moderation" stage, like
some still believe).

>There are problems with the current state of the groups but they are
>created by the readership as a whole and it is the readership's
>responsibility to resolve these problems [...]
>[...] spirit of Linux and free software.

That's very nice. Now how do you propose to accomplish that?

Pierre Uszynski.
pierre@shell.portal.com

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From: esullivan@linux.pcweek.ziff.com
Subject: Re: setting up x11 and xfree
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 06:14:04 GMT

>>>>> "Bill" == Your Name Here <bfreeto@interaccess.com> writes:

    Bill> Hi, I have just installed Linux on my pc and would like to
    Bill> be able to use x11 and xfree.  Problem is, I can't find
    Bill> anything that tells me how to set things up.  When I try to
    Bill> start x, I get "couldn't find config file."  Where is the
    Bill> document that tells me what should be in this config file?
    Bill> Also, is there a setup program like you get with MS Windows?
    Bill> Will I have to do a similar procedure with xfree?

Look in /usr/lib/X11/etc. If you're lucky, there should be a bunch of
README files in there. The most important file in there is
README.Config. 

--
=========================================================
Eamonn Sullivan         |       esullivan@pcweek.ziff.com
PC Week Labs            |       phone: 617-393-3841      
=========================================================

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From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: SETGID files and linux
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 04:40:17 GMT


I'm trying to get c-news running on my linux box (1.0 kernel) after
having downloaded the c-news package from sunsite from teh slackware
distribution. However, posting isn't working, and I have traced the
problem down to a call to what should be a setuid program. When the
file is setuid news, the program failes with a 

set[gu]id failed (Operation not permitted), 

and if I try to make the file setgid, I get

set[ug]id failed (Bade file number)

Does anyone know why linux won't let me run this file setuid or
setgid? 


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From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: Re: Linux on a portable
Date: 27 Mar 1994 17:52:32 GMT

In article <2ms1ec$lnf@oak7.doc.ic.ac.uk> mmh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Mirza Manar Hussain) writes:
] 
] Has anyone got Linux working on a portable computer?
] If so which one etc?

I have installed Linux on these portables:

Toshiba T2000SX
Toshiba T4600C
TI 4000

I did not install X on the T2000SX.  I only got SVGA working on the
T4600.  I have not tried to make PCMCIA work on the T4600.  The TI
requires the "QuickPort" kernal option.  The TI broke (physically)
many times and I finally gave up on it.  We are now getting an Austin
466T, and expect it to run Linux without any difficulty.

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From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: Re: Xfree and Mouse???
Date: 27 Mar 1994 17:57:31 GMT

In article <PLANK.94Mar25122715@entropy.phys.uva.nl> plank@phys.uva.nl (R.W.F. van der &) writes:

] What kind of mouse do you have? What mouse is specified in your
] Xconfig file?

Also, does the device in your Xconfig file exist in /dev?
Is it a link to the wrong place?

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From: wei@psrc.isac.co.jp (Wei Hua)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 08:09:30 GMT
Subject: Where can I ftp the PLIP ?


Where can I ftp the PLIP ?

Thanks very much!!!!!!!!!

Wei, Hua
Technique Dept. ISAC, Inc.                           
E-mail: wei@psrc.isac.co.jp

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From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: How to tell the version of a binary ? (I miss "what")
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 23:30:10 GMT

I don't see any way to tell the version of the binary program.
*Standard* UNIX, developed under SCCS, maintained a string containing
the version of the compiled binary, so the what(1) utility could extract it.
For example, if I would like to see which version of tar I am using, I
would use

        % what  /bin/tar
to get
/bin/tar:
         $Revision: 66.17 $

It would be useful to be able to tell the version of the kernel, for example,
without booting it (after booting one cat do "cat /proc/version" but it is
an expensive way to verify the kernel's version).

        zenon@resonex.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 08:20:07 GMT

In article <1994Mar27.183058.14418@cc.usu.edu> ivie@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <Cn87Is.BI5@festival.ed.ac.uk>, kenny@festival.ed.ac.uk (K J MacDonald) writes:
>> 
>>      VMS uses MOTIF for X11 apps. And I challenge anyone to call the
>> a Unix system :)
>
>You obviously haven't been following the "Is VMS Dying" discussion on
>comp.os.vms (and other groups too numerous to mention).
>-- 

Oh, VMS is dead alright.

And I find amusing any thread such as "Is VMS Dying"

Just remember something for the VMS followers:
add 1 to each letter in VMS and you get WNT.


See Ya,
        Amancio
-- 
FREE unix, gcc, tcp/ip, X, open-look, interviews, tcl/tk, MIME, midi, sound
at  freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD
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Home: (415) 495-3046       |  
e-mail hasty@netcom.com    |  ftp-site depository of all my work:    
ahasty@cisco.com           |  sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/X

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From: kenh@wrl.epi.com (Ken Hornstein)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Date: 28 Mar 1994 04:33:48 -0500
Reply-To: kenh@wrl.epi.com

In article <2n1l3n$821@clarknet.clark.net>,
Rob Newberry <rob-n@clark.net> wrote:
>Well, this seems to be the place for this sort of gripe, so I'm
>going to post it.
>[...]
>IMHO, *BSD has a LONG way to go before its ready for users like me.  I
>guess what they need most is a kind of Slackware install, where someone
>can get the system and many utilities installed quickly.  I was
>VERY VERY disappointed to find that, even though I downloaded every
>distribution file for NetBSD at iastate.edu, I didn't even have a good
>way to talk to my modem -- kermit is not there, I can't get tip
>to work, and there's just not any instructions anywhere.

I didn't have much trouble getting tip to work; what kind of problems did you
have?  There's a man page for tip, so it's not like there aren't any
instructions.

>Plus, when
>there are instructions, they're wrong.  The FAQ for makeing a new
>*BSD kernel tells me to switch to a directory that doesn't exists on
>my machine, and config a file that isn't there.  Yes, I did manage to
>find the right place, and create the GENERICISA file from the 
>GENERICAHA, but it wasn't in /sys/i386/conf.  Plus, there's no
>description of all that junk in the configuration file -- the FAQ
>says, "Perhaps someone should tell us what all these options actually
>mean."  I thought that's what the *!@# FAQ was for!

The FAQ covers Net,Free and 386BSD; while they're all close, they have some
differences.  For example, the kernel config files in /sys/arch/i386/conf on
NetBSD.

>It's not just the FAQ's, either.  The man pages are screwy.  I wanted
>to add some users.  In linux, "adduser" does the trick.  So I do a 
>"man adduser", and it says that this is a command for adding new users,
>and furthermore that it has been around since 3.0BSD.  Great! So I
>try "adduser" and whammo! "adduser: Command not found."  Yes, I
>did finally find out to use "vipw" (Thanks, O'Reilly), but that's
>just plain dumb.

I quote from the adduser man page (which, apparantly, you didn't read closely;
it describes a procedure to follow, not a command):

An account can be added by editing a line into the passwd file; this must be
done with the password file locked e.g. by using chpass(1) or vipw(8)

>*BSD desperately needs the type of installation packages available for
>Linux.  Linux installed on my system, and I added the users I needed,
>and they had POP accounts immediately, and I could run "DIP" to set
>up our SLIP connections out of the box, and I could compile kernels
>right out of the box and install them quickly, and I got tons of
>utility programs that I never even used.  In *BSD, none of the things
>I was looking for were there -- no virtual consoles, no comm package,
>no "adduser", no good mail reader, no "pico", no nothing. *BSD may
>have fine networking code, but I won't know about it until they make
>it easy enough to use.

What's wrong with getting any of these packages yourself and compiling them?
I'venever had much trouble porting software to NetBSD; it usually very simple.
And if you're allergic to compiling things, the FreeBSD gang has a nice set of
already-ported packages ready for you to use.

--Ken

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From: jan@swi.psy.uva.nl (Jan Wielemaker)
Subject: Re: Slackware 1.1.2 weird tex behaviour - kernel problem?
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 08:37:43 GMT

pejn@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au (Paul Nulsen) writes:


>I have Slackware 1.1.2 installed on a no name 486DX33 laptop with 8
>Mbytes of RAM and (roughly) 16 Mbytes of swap.  The kernel is the one
>that came with the distribution (ide only 99.15f I think).

>Without X running, the tex that came with the distribution works as
>usual.  However, when X is started (XF86 2.0 mono server using the
>generic VGA driver with fvwm) tex bombs immediately with a
>segmentation fault every time it is run (this applies to virtex and
>initex as well).

I only can report that, using Slackware 1.2.0, latex runs fine, but
tex bombs on a similar way when running X11 (not tried without).

        Cheers --- Jan

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 10:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: zag@crs4.it (Gianluigi Zanetti)
Subject: XFree and the Chips & Tech F65530
Date: 28 Mar 1994 10:19:37 GMT

The current XFree SVGA server does not seem to support this chip.
Am I stuck to VGA_16 ?


-- 

        Gianluigi Zanetti    (Gianluigi.Zanetti@crs4.it) 
        CRS4,   P. O. Box 488, I-09124 Cagliari,   ITALY
        work: (+39-70) 2796-249, fax:  (+39 70) 2796-283


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Subject: Re: Word processor for Linux???
From: ph99jh42@uwrf.edu (JAMES HALL)
Date: 28 Mar 94 00:40:41 -0600

Gregory E Gelles (gelles@bittersweet.crayola.cse.psu.edu) wrote:
(REFORMATTED)
>I have just been introduced to a line of commercial products for the
>SUN that I found quite impressive.  This package is put out by Island
>Graphics or so.  I was wondering if anyone knows of anything like this
>that might be available for Linux.  I have heard the teh Andrew
>package has a word processor, but I have no way of seeing this before
>I would install the whole package, and I can't free up that much disk
>space on a bad venture.
>
>Any help, or recomendation on a word processor would be greatly
>appreciated,

You know, with all the talk on a good word processor, this reminds me
of a few postings I saw when I first entered this newsgroup... people
were talking about actually *starting* on a word processor project.
What news of this?  I hope it wasn't just a vile rumor like this GOD
SPEAKS business...  :)

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Subject: Re: Can I use a non SCSI tape backup with Linux?
From: acs_patt@uwrf.edu (Byron J Patterson)
Date: 28 Mar 94 02:19:41 -0600

here is one other posible solution for tape drives that are not suported under
linux.
use the umsdos filesystem. as a test i used the umsdos filesystem. i did a 
xcopy of it to drive d:. i then started up linux useing the umsods version.
linux could read the long filenames on d:\linux2 ( the dir where i put th
e xcopy of it to). this test leads me to beleive that useing (ick) msdos
backup software the linux system could be backed up and restored.

byron patterson
byron.j.patterson@uwrf.edu

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From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: 28 Mar 1994 04:24:46 -0500

In article <2mnm4r$32r@darkstar.ucsc.edu>,
Philip Brown <philb@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>
>In <1994Mar22.164834.8123@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>In article <1994Mar20.183234.27732@mksinfo.qc.ca> pierre@mksinfo.qc.ca (Pierre Benard) writes:
>>>and IBM's OS/2 for Windows. Maybe MS is realizing that letting people
>>>run Windows apps. on something other than MSDOS is a good thing.
>
>
>[sorry I have to reply through heresay, I missed the original article]
>
>ON the other hand, I am happy to find out that apple is FINALLY
>liscensing its system as "Apple/Macintosh Destop" or something.
>Announcements were made yesterday or something that sun and apple have
>signed agreements to do a nice port to sparcs, and I think other
>manufacturers have things in the works.

Wouldn't you think that their hand was more or less forced in this by the
efforts of ARDI?
-- 
Thor Lancelot Simon                                                tls@panix.COM
   But as he knew no bad language, he had called him all the names of common
  objects that he could think of, and had screamed: "You lamp!  You towel!  You
  plate!" and so on.              --Sigmund Freud

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From: fanchiot@dxcern.cern.ch (Sergio Fanchiotti)
Subject: [SLACKWARE] 1.2.0 lite? Space savers comment
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 09:14:54 GMT

Patrick & net friends,

        Recently I went thru the exercise of re-installing froms scratch
        Slackware on my machine. The installation process has advenced
        by light years in terms of simplicity.   The synergy between the
        dialog command and pkgtool is remarkable... fantastic work
        Patrick! 

        As usual, a little bit of fine tuneing is needed after the
        installation (Not as much as with the SLS 1.02 stuff). So here 
        are some comment on the stuff that I found a bit weak on this
        distribution. Most noticeable is the TeX package... it needs to
        be worked out a bit more so to allow for a gradual installation
        of the parts & pieces when necessary without killing so much
        disk space... and remenber this is the only package we have for
        serious word-processing out there!

        Saludos,
                ...Sergio

Tips to save space on SLACKWARE 1.2.0

Packets installed: a ap d

Added Later: x  xap xv xd n t tcl
      (x series did not want to install using pkgtool as a packet had to do
       it in a single disk mode! maybe I shold read the HOW-TO stuff.)

List of interesting things to do to get back some space on the disk:

Kernel: after recompilation do zip -rm0 all dirs except include/ : 3 megs
        less, maybe a small script for this could be included.

Real problem: su does not work for root. works fine for other... any 
              security trick here (im sure...)?

TeX Problems:   Hey, a lot of stuff is not needed but required in the
                installation!

                texlibib packet: 2 Megs of bibliography??? 
                TeX binaries not stripped ( 300 or mor K's). 
                Fonts: texams adds 2Megs in fonts that are not used by
                       regular LaTex!
                ../latex2e/latex2e.fmt: 500K that are copied in ../ini/
                man pages not installed nor preformated...
                mf cannot put the compiled font in font/tmp/pk because it
                doesn't have permision for regular users...

                This way one gets like 3 megs free! More savings can be 
                obtained trimming a bit those fonts...

Other Applications Problems:

        stuff in /usr/bin can be stripped givin 200K back.

        xv package: /usr/.text_extras_menu is a simlink that points to 
        almost the right place... (bug was there in 1.1.0 too)

        ispell 3.09 is old! 3.10 is out...

        zip 1.9 is old ... 2.0 is out long time ago.

        minicom 1.5b is old 1.6 + patches are out.

        tcl: most scripts (tkdemo, tclhelp) point to the wrong place 
        to run wish. blt 1.0 is old(1.3?) and not compiled (maybe it is
        incorporated on the libraries... but I didn'r see any libblt.*)

        man pages are put in /usr/man/preformat ... are we joking here?
        (caveat: maybe I didn't run the installation properly. I didn't 
         want a bootdisk created.)

        deliver package does not work (after I installed tcpip stuff but 
        didn't check before. I had to install smail!!! one of my many 
        areas of ignorance showing here.)


It would be nice to have as standard in the distribution:
        
        tools 2.10 for building dll's the d series!!! 

        vim 2.0  or nvi 1.0 instead of /with elvis... better vi feel 
        (personal opinion here though)

        xsysinfo ( one client instead of xmen, xload... )


        the tcl package needs to include some nice clients that use it 
        like: tkpostit, tkispell, ical, tkman, etc... Just as a starter.
        Most are scripts so they compress very nicely...
        (harbor.ecn.purdue.edu:/pub/tcl)

        oneko (great demo and screen bug) for X11.


        then again... it is impossible to fit all the free soft
        available in only less than 50 diskettes!

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From: sweh.womble@spuddy.UUCP (Stephen Harris)
Subject: Re: The Keyword Debate Continues
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 20:39:59 GMT

In article <RLJ.94Mar24120917@albion.rx.xerox.com> RJones.wgc1@rx.xerox.com writes:

>Am I wrong in thinking that more newsgroups are required ? 

Well, I think that this is going to be the outcome if the automailer happens.
The resurrection of alt.os.linux (heck! some sites still haven't rmgroup'd it
yet!) possible mirroring the c.o.l.* hierarchy.

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