Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #889
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Mon, 28 Mar 94 20:13:09 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #889, Volume #1                Mon, 28 Mar 94 20:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Need help with LaTeX2e (Rene Wies)
  Re: [SLACKWARE] 1.2.0 lite? Space savers comment (Lars Buhl Nielsen)
  CrossCompiling with GCC (HP-UX to Linux)? (Nieminen Mika Petteri)
  Re: Need help with LaTeX2e (Robin Fairbairns)
  Re: Does Linux handle IDE drives over 1024 cylinders? (Andries Brouwer)
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Carl G. Schott)
  Re: Slackware 1.2.0/Linux 1.0 Problems (Bob Myers)
  Re: [SLACKWARE] 1.2.0 lite? Space savers comment (David Fox)
  Re: Wine status March 11, 1994 (Ward Mullins)
  Video card with 17" Olivetti monitor (Gerrit Nieuwenhuizen)
  Re: Hardware Compatability Survey (Please Reply!) (Thomas Boutell)
  why two kermit processes? (Michel Anders)
  Re: LINUX AND COHERENT
  Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Warner Losh)
  Re: [INSANITY] STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring (Warner Losh)
  Re: appointment/telephone directory type progs for linux? (Scott D. Heavner)

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Crossposted-To: de.comp.tex,comp.text.tex,comp.os.linux.help,zer.t-netz.tex
From: wies@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Rene Wies)
Subject: Need help with LaTeX2e
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 12:02:16 GMT


Hi LaTeX2er,

I am just starting with LaTeX2e !!! Yes, I tried to get the 
LaTeX Companion, but it takes 3 weeks to get it from the states.
(None of the local bookstores have it on stock)

Questions (using Linux 1.0 and Slackware 1.2):
1. Is there a FAQ or HOWTO for LaTeX2e?
   (if so, skip the rest....;-)
2. What do the file-endings .ins .dtx. ltx. etc mean?
3. How do I change the hyphenation style to german?
4. Do I need to set any Path for LaTeX2e (TEXINPUTS, BIBINPUTS, FONTS)?
5. What is BigTeX/LargeTeX?
6. What is the difference between ghyphen3.sty and ghyphen.sty?
7. What is the difference between german.sty and german3.sty?
8. What is/was NFSS1/2 ?

9. Is the LaTeX2e version in slackware 1.2 the latest version?
   (If not, where can I get the latest version AND how do I
   install it for Linux. - I know how to use tar ;-) but which 
   directory should I use and what initex runs are necessary?)

Any help is most appreciated.

-Rene'
(wies@informatik.uni-muenchen.de)


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From: wiking@daimi.aau.dk (Lars Buhl Nielsen)
Subject: Re: [SLACKWARE] 1.2.0 lite? Space savers comment
Date: 28 Mar 1994 12:50:33 GMT

Thus spake fanchiot@dxcern.cern.ch (Sergio Fanchiotti):

<STUFF DELETED>

>Kernel: after recompilation do zip -rm0 all dirs except include/ : 3 megs
>        less, maybe a small script for this could be included.

Perhaps deliver it gzip'ed?
If one cant type gunzip -r *.... well not likely to finish remakeing.

<MORE STUFF DELETED>

>Other Applications Problems:

Try look in /usr/lib/emacs/19.22/etc

There you will find several meg's of jokes?, and other
information that realy isnt of great interest  :)

Not much else to say.. its a great package.

/Lars Nielsen

wiking@daimi.aau.dk

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From: mpni@jytko.jyu.fi (Nieminen Mika Petteri)
Subject: CrossCompiling with GCC (HP-UX to Linux)?
Date: 28 Mar 1994 12:05:03 GMT


Hi

I installed the Linux into my 386 machine, but because of my low hard disk
space, i couldn't install the GCC for Linux.

Then i got this idea using GCC as a cross-compiler in the school, so i could
compile everything i need in the school using HP's Unix-workstation. Resulting 
binaries could then be downloaded into my Linux box. This would lead to 
enourmous space savings in my PC, because i wouldn't have to install GCC.

I tried it, but the GCC option -b (= machine type) didn't work in the HP.


Now to the topic of this mail. 

- How to configure GCC in the HP-Unix server to compile Linux comptible bins?
- Is it even possible? 
- Do i need to install Linux specific libraries?
  - If so, how can i do it? 
- Can i use GCC 2.4.5 already in HP-UX or do i need to compile GCC for Linux?


If you are using GCC in a similar way, would you please be so kind and post 
your instructions how to do it? I would really appreciate it.

If you reply using e-mail, i will post the summary back to this newsgroup.

Mika Nieminen
mpni@jyu.fi

 


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From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Crossposted-To: de.comp.tex,comp.text.tex,comp.os.linux.help,zer.t-netz.tex
Subject: Re: Need help with LaTeX2e
Date: 28 Mar 1994 13:47:24 GMT

In article <wies.764856136@news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de>,
Rene Wies <wies@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:
>I am just starting with LaTeX2e !!! Yes, I tried to get the 
>LaTeX Companion, but it takes 3 weeks to get it from the states.
>(None of the local bookstores have it on stock)

At least it's now published in Europe...  Your bookstore ought to be
able to get it.

>Questions (using Linux 1.0 and Slackware 1.2):
>1. Is there a FAQ or HOWTO for LaTeX2e?
>   (if so, skip the rest....;-)

The readme files (*.l2e in the distribution) do that sort of job.
However, they do assume that you have some idea of what you're about
before you start.

>2. What do the file-endings .ins .dtx. ltx. etc mean?

The .ins files are the only ones you should need to concern yourself
with.  Read the readme...

>3. How do I change the hyphenation style to german?

Make yourself an lhyphen.cfg

Just _do_ it (I did it for English hyphenation -- as opposed to
American -- despite the relative lack of explanation in the docs).

>4. Do I need to set any Path for LaTeX2e (TEXINPUTS, BIBINPUTS, FONTS)?

I've kept the LaTeX2e stuff separate, and ensured that it's on
TEXINPUTS in front of the rest.

>5. What is BigTeX/LargeTeX?

A bigger-than-normal TeX.  I don't know what comes with Linux.

>6. What is the difference between ghyphen3.sty and ghyphen.sty?
>7. What is the difference between german.sty and german3.sty?
>8. What is/was NFSS1/2 ?

New Font Selection Scheme.  Two stages on the path to what LaTeX2e
uses in place of Lamport's (ghastly) lfonts.tex

>9. Is the LaTeX2e version in slackware 1.2 the latest version?
>   (If not, where can I get the latest version AND how do I
>   install it for Linux. - I know how to use tar ;-) but which 
>   directory should I use and what initex runs are necessary?)

From various posts here recently, one would guess that it isn't.

The canonical version is to be got from (e.g.) ftp.dante.de in
directory macros/latex2e/core

The readme file tells you which initex runs you need.
--
Robin (Campaign for Real Radio 3) Fairbairns       rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK

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From: aeb@cwi.nl (Andries Brouwer)
Subject: Re: Does Linux handle IDE drives over 1024 cylinders?
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 13:52:49 GMT

danubius@coho.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon) writes:

:...
:What my question is then: does Linux handle cylinder numbers above 1024
:...

Yes.

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From: cgs@sg1 (Carl G. Schott)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: 28 Mar 1994 14:22:47 GMT

Theodore Ts'o (tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) wrote:
: My advice to those who believe the auto-monitoring is a good idea ---
: ignore who have been belly-aching, AND JUST IMPLEMENT IT.  Ian, you
: should just go ahead and "Just Do It".

: These belly-achers have been complaining that no one should have
: restrict their right to post to the comp.os.linux.* groups --- well,
: similarily, Ian has every right to send whatever email he wants, too.
: If he's using a robot program, that doesn't change that.

: In fact, there's nothing stopping all of us who are sick and tired of
: the junk on these newsgroup to *all* run one of these robots, so that
: somone who steps out of line gets hundreds of messages, instead of just
: one.  In fact, I will often do this manually, if someone is grossly
: abusing the rule.  Given that it is perfectly OK to flame someone via
: email for being a bonehead, I see nothing wrong with automating the
: process.

:                                       - Ted

If anything approaching this was ever tried, the newsgroups would be
nothing BUT junk within a day.  Linux would get a huge black eye on
the Internet for all the mailbombs flying around.

Please, folks, can't you see that unmoderated newsgroups require
restraint and tolerance on everyone's part in order to function at all?
If following these groups is really that frustrating, just don't read
them--do YOURSELF a favor!

Flame-producing automailers are just an incredibly bad idea.  If any one
thing is capable of destroying the Linux movement now, that's it.


Carl Schott

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From: bmyers@dseg.ti.com (Bob Myers)
Subject: Re: Slackware 1.2.0/Linux 1.0 Problems
Reply-To: bmyers@dseg.ti.com
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 15:09:56 GMT


2- Where's the link kit objects for the SVGA server?  The only thing that's
   in the drivers directory is the stuff for the s3 server..  I'd like to
   relink the SVGA server to remove all the drivers for video cards I don't
   have.  (yes, I know they don't take up much memory when running because
   they're not loaded in, but it would be nice just to save the couple hundred
   kbytes of disk space).

You might want to check into this.  Pat just upgraded a few disks in the
XFree series (believe x7,xd1,xd3) which might just clear this issue up for you.

-bob



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From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: Re: [SLACKWARE] 1.2.0 lite? Space savers comment
Date: 28 Mar 1994 14:55:03 GMT

Re: saving space - 

I noticed that pmake was a required program rather than
optional.  Also, several packages install uncompressed
info files in /usr/info, such as bison.  These could be
compressed, then they wouldn't be duplicated by the files
on the i series.  Of course, I'm not a big space saver
myself...

Here's a list of the packages with info files I removed.
If you don't install the i series you should compress all
the files in /usr/info.  (Or if you're really tight
remove them.)

  bison
  emacsbin (cl, emacs, forms, gnus, info, vip, and sc)
  gdb
  ispell
  util (ipc)

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From: ward@crl.com (Ward Mullins)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.apps
Subject: Re: Wine status March 11, 1994
Date: 28 Mar 1994 07:57:55 -0800

Thor Lancelot Simon (tls@panix.com) wrote:
: >ON the other hand, I am happy to find out that apple is FINALLY
: >liscensing its system as "Apple/Macintosh Destop" or something.
: >Announcements were made yesterday or something that sun and apple have
: >signed agreements to do a nice port to sparcs, and I think other
: >manufacturers have things in the works.

: Wouldn't you think that their hand was more or less forced in this by the
: efforts of ARDI?

For a FYI, the Mac App Environment is *already* ported to Sparc and 
HP/PA-Risc, and I physically saw it running at Uniforum last week.  Sun 
had a machine dedicated to it at their booth.  It ran really nicely, with 
the whole Mac environment (finder and all) in an X-window, but then it 
was running on a Sparc 10 :)  I'll see how fast it *really* is when I try 
to run it on my Sparc 1+...  Apple is giving away partially disable CD's 
right now to get people to try it.  You can run apps, but you can't 
print, save etc...

As for ARDI pushing Apple's hand, I think you give them too much credit.  
Quorum is a more likely candidate, with the honest truth probably being 
that since IBM wanted to run Apple apps under AIX on the power PC, that 
Apple finally decided they might as well just port it to the other Unix 
Workstation vendors...  That and the fact that a lot of people would 
rather have Mac than MS-Windows apps on their workstations, so they have 
an opportunity to fight microsoft in the newly developing emulated OS 
marketplace...

ward

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From: nieuwhzn@dxgsia.cern.ch (Gerrit Nieuwenhuizen)
Subject: Video card with 17" Olivetti monitor
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 16:15:46 GMT

I'm planning to buy a new computer and a bigger screen.
Now has Olivetti a very nice offer (at least where I'm working)
for a 17" trinitron monitor including video card. The problem is
that I don't know which card this is and whether it will be 
supported by the current XFree drivers. The guy negotiating
this stuff is more into Mac's than PC's and could not tell
me more than he resolution of the card, 1280x1024x256.
Does anyone ever bought this monitor/card and if so can
you mail me your experiences with it?
Thanks in advance.

                                Greeting, Gerrit


                                Gerrit J. van Nieuwenhuizen
                                CERN-PPE-IO
                                Building 595, R-004
                                CH-1211  Geneve 23
                                Switzerland
                                nieuwhzn@dxgsia.cern.ch
                                  (or NIEUWHZN@VXWA80.CERN.CH)
                                tel.: +41 22 767 4740
                                fax : +41 22 782 4897



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: boutell@netcom.com (Thomas Boutell)
Subject: Re: Hardware Compatability Survey (Please Reply!)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:13:38 GMT

In article <1994Mar28.065502.583@cs.cornell.edu>,
travis jensen <jensen@peruvian.utah.edu> wrote:
>1.0) Desktops:
>
>1.1) What works?
>
>1.11) Motherboard questions: 
>
>CPU (Intel, AMD, etc): AMD
>Model (386, 486, Pentium, etc): 386/40
>Speed of chip (in Mhz): 40
>Manufacturer of motherboard: Fastdata/Fastmicro
>Model number of motherboard: Unknown (upgradeable, several processor sockets)
>Physical Memory (in megabytes): 8
>Bus architecture (AT, XT, etc): AT
>ALPHA? [Y/N]: 
>Comments:
>
>1.12) Video card questions:
>
>Manufacturer of video card: No-name ET4000
>Model of video card:
>Chipset of graphics card: ET4000
>X-window support [Y/N]? Y
>If yes, which X server [Herc/Mach32/Mach8/Mono/S3/SVGA/VGA16]? SVGA
>ALPHA? [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>1.13) Monitor questions:
>Manufacturer of monitor: CTX
>Model of monitor: CVP-5468NI
>Size of monitor (in inches or cm's): 14"
>Max Resolution for X (x_pix X y_pix): 1024x768
>ALPHA? [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>1.14) Hard drive questions:
> For this section, please use the following format for each
> drive that you have on your system (as many as is necessary)
> Please do not include IDE drives that you have gotten to work,
> as I understand it, all IDE drives should work.  Only include
> those that don't work (include in section 2).  Thanks.
>
>Type (SCSI/SCSI-2/MLM):
>Manufacturer:
>Model:
>Size (in megabytes):
>ALPHA? [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>1.15) Tape backup questions:
>
>Manufacturer:
>Model:
>Capacity (in megabytes):
>Type (IDE, SCSI, parallel port, etc):
>ALPHA? [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>1.16) CD ROM questions:
>
>Manufacturer: JDR (Relabeled Mitsumi)
>Model:
>Type [IDE/SCSI]: Custom controller
>ALPHA? [Y/N]:
>Comments: Is there such a thing as an IDE CD-ROM?
>
>1.17) Modem/fax questions:
>
>Manufacturer: US Robotics
>Model: Sportster
>Speed: 14,400bps modem/9600 FAX
>Compression: Yes
>ALPHA? [Y/N]:
>Comments: Haven't tried FAX under Linux
>
>1.18) Mouse
>
>Manufacturer: DEXXA (Logitech-built)
>Model: "DEXXA Mouse" 3 button
>Type (bus, ps2, etc): serial
>ALPHA? [Y/N]:
>Comments: works in X as "MouseMan"
>
>1.19) Ethernet card questions:
>
>Manufacturer:
>Model:
>ALPHA [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>1.20) What other hardware do you use with Linux, and what software
>  is needed to use it (e.g., kernel patches).  An example is the
>  ALPHA ISDN driver.  Give a short description of the hardware
>  on the description line.
>
>Description: Soundblaster Pro audio card
>Manufacturer: Creative Labs
>Model:
>ALPHA [Y/N]:
>Comments: No problems
>
>
>1.2)  What doesn't work?
>
>1.21)  Hardware that you've tried that doesn't work:
>
>Description:
>Manufacturer:
>Model:
>ALPHA [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>
>1.3)  Out-of-the-box systems:
>(Please list any changes to the purchase configuration, and put
> them above.)
>
>1.31)  Who made it?
>
>Manufacturer (vendor):
>Model:
>ALPHA [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>
>2.0)   Notebooks:
>
>2.1)   What works?
>
>2.11)  Who made it?
>
>Manufacturer (vendor):
>Model:
>Does X windows run [Y/N]:
>How many colors [Mono/16/256]:
>ALPHA [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>2.12)  Notebook periphials:
> Note:  You can repeat this section as many times as is
>        necessary.
>
>Description:
>Type (PCMCIA, parallel port, internal):
>Manufacturer:
>Model:
>ALPHA [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>
>2.2) What doesn't work?
>
>2.21) Notebooks you couldn't get Linux running on:
>
>Manufacturer:
>Model:
>Comments:
>
>2.22) Notebooks you couldn't get X running on:
>
>Manufacturer:
>Model:
>Comments:
>
>2.23) Periphials you couldn't get working under Linux
>
>Description:
>Manufacturer:
>Model:
>Type (PMCIA, parallel port, internal, etc):
>ALPHA [Y/N]:
>Comments:
>
>
>Please respond to jensen@peruvian.utah.edu with the
>subject line given above (possibly prepended with an
>Re: :).
>
>Travis  
>
>Travis A. Jensen               
>jensen@peruvian.utah.edu  
>
>"aaahhhhg-g-g-geeeeee"--Alexander Jensen (10/6/93)
>
>I am a Scandanavian-American (5 generations removed
>                             from Scandanavia)
>
>

-T

-- 
"The creator of the universe works in mysterious ways. But he uses
a base ten counting system and likes round numbers." - Scott Adams
boutell@netcom.com, purveyor of fine HTML pages to the biology trade.
<a href="http://siva.cshl.org/boutell.html"><em>Thomas Boutell</em></A>

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From: michela@sci.kun.nl (Michel Anders)
Subject: why two kermit processes?
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:25:06 GMT

I realize this is not i very important question but it's bugging me some
time now: why are there two copies present of kermit, when i invoke it just
a single time. It is just a memory hog, if there's no pressing need for it
to spawn a copy of itself, or is it?

Anyone?

Michel.


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From: jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu ()
Subject: Re: LINUX AND COHERENT
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:28:04 GMT

In article <2n3oi4$p0e@crl.crl.com> bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan) writes:
>
>The bottom line here should make a few people at MWC laugh.  The result of all
>this is that I am probably going to keep my Coherent system just to hang on to
>the manual.  That way, when I get a manual page like:
> 
>   UNDOCUMENTED(2)                                  UNDOCUMENTED(2)
>
>   NAME
>        undocumented, ptrace, ioctl, fcntl, select - currently
>        undocumented
>
>   SYNOPSIS
>        UNDOCUMENTED
>
>   DESCRIPTION.
>        I haven't gotten around to it yet.
>
>   BUGS
>        These really should be documented.
>
>I can pick up the Coherent manual and hopefully get an idea of what's up!
>(For those who don't believe that manual page could be real, go to a Linux
>system and type 'man ioctl'.  That's it.  Verbatim!) 
>

Not on my system, started from Slackware 1.1.1, but probably included
in other distributions as well. I suggest you get the man-pages compiled
by Matt Welsh, available as part of the Linux-Documentation-Project:

sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc-project/man-pages/  \
man-pages-1.2.tar.gz

It also sounds like you might want to get the LDP network-guide, available 
the linux-doc-project in the directory network-guide.  But I agree with you, 
the Coherent manual is a great thing to have around.

Jim

________________
Jim West
Associate Professor
Electrical and Computer Engineering
Oklahoma State University
jwest@master.ceat.okstate.edu

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From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:09:14 GMT

In article <CnD214.KG8@psu.edu> cgschott@psu.edu (Carl Schott) writes:
>True, and more of them are leaving because of flamewars over posting 
>etiquette than over FAQ posts, IMO.

The flaming on this group (col*) is one of the reasons I'm running
FreeBSD.  There are other, more important technical reasons that I
went this path, but the attitude and public flames is a factor.

Warner
-- 
Warner Losh             imp@boulder.parcplace.COM       ParcPlace Boulder
"... but I can't promote you to "Prima Donna" unless you demonstrate a few
 more serious personality disorders"

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From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: [INSANITY] STRAW POLL RESULT: Linux groups automonitoring
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:13:21 GMT

In article <2n619d$ldn@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
(Theodore Ts'o) writes: 
>These belly-achers have been complaining that no one should have
>restrict their right to post to the comp.os.linux.* groups --- well,
>similarily, Ian has every right to send whatever email he wants, too.
>If he's using a robot program, that doesn't change that.

I hate to disagree with you Ted, but Ian *DOES*NOT* have the right to
send automated email to people that have specifically asked not to get
it.  It is a form of harassment that could be violating the law.

Besides, the whole way that he's approached it has been a botch.  His
goals are good, but his methods are, at best, poorly received.

Will someone please post a list of keywords so that we can start to
use them, or ignore them?

Warner
-- 
Warner Losh             imp@boulder.parcplace.COM       ParcPlace Boulder
"... but I can't promote you to "Prima Donna" unless you demonstrate a few
 more serious personality disorders"

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From: sdh@fishmonger.nouucp (Scott D. Heavner)
Subject: Re: appointment/telephone directory type progs for linux?
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 18:24:14 GMT
Reply-To: sdh@po.cwru.edu

        I use calentool and xrolo.  Both require XView.

        Calentool can display a full month, week, day or year on one
screen.  It has audio/visual warnings which you can triger some amount
of time before an appointment.  You can also mail your daily appointment
list to yourself, or anyone.  You can specify appointments to
be repeated every month, year, Friday, etc.  And for people who like
cute, it's got holidays and strange facts which you can #include in
your own calendar.  It also has support for editing/viewing other users
calendars.  The .appointments file is ASCII.

        Xrolo can be used as a phone number manager/dialer.  It lets
the user enter plain text cards which are indexed by the first line of the
card.  To dial, you have to highlight the phone number as if you were
copying it to the copy buffer (which is what you are doing), then punch a
button.  I've hacked my copy to dial via the modem, but the distribution
copy dials via a sound device (it's written for suns, but I don't know if
it works under Linux).  The idea being that you hold the phone up to the 
speaker and it beeps out the correct touch tone signals.  Since the files
are text, you can do what you will with them.  I set addresses off with
"%a" and dump my .rolo file through sed, grep, awk, and TeX to 
automatically address envelopes to people.

        There is one thing I don't like about xrolo, when you view a long
list, you have to watch the whole list scroll by, then rolo displays the
beginning of the list and you can move through it with the scroll bar.
I think this is so the programmers can use the scroll back buffer to do all
the scrolling for them, but I find it mildly annoying.

                        Scott

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