Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #201
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Wed, 13 Oct 93 06:26:48 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #201, Volume #1                Wed, 13 Oct 93 06:26:48 EDT

Contents:
  Where is SLIP? (Joe Panico)
  a service I offer (Jim Howard)
  Xtank and Xtrek for Linux (Slim)
  Re: Slackware 1.04 Goof and Fix! (Riccardo Pizzi)
  Re: Slackware 1.04 Goof and Fix! (Patrick J. Volkerding)
  Re: PPP for Linux? Well... almost as good (Rene COUGNENC)
  Which UART for fast (14.4) modem? (gast@cs.ucla.edu)
  Re: PPP for Linux? Well... almost as good (Nathan D. Lane)
  Re: a service I offer (Jim Howard)
  Re: Can't boot Linux (da Musick Maka)
  Re: The %&#$@ speaks again -or- An apology (da Musick Maka)
  Re: Kernel Panic: swaper problems (HELP) (Harvey J. Stein)
  ftape-0.9.6/pl13 compile problems (Sid Boyce)
  Floppy Drive Catches Fire (Jon Brawn)
  Re: Xtank and Xtrek for Linux (Gene Choi)
  PC internal modem recommendations? (Mark Dobie)
  Re: Slackware 1.04 Goof and Fix! (Kai Voigt)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) (Ian Jackson)

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From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico)
Subject: Where is SLIP?
Date: 12 Oct 93 20:24:24 GMT


Hi,


I know this question is asked frequently here, but i could find no mention
of the subject in any of the FAQs. What's the story with SLIP? Is it
available? If so, from where? Any help much appreciated.

        Joe Panico
        joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu


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From: jahoward@iastate.edu (Jim Howard)
Subject: a service I offer
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 01:12:23 GMT

I have set up an anonymous ftp service if anyone is interested.
Here is how to use it:

telnet pv0226.vincent.iastate.edu

login: anonymous.jahoward
password: yourname@your.system

What I offer:

I try to keep current versions of everything from tape stuff, sound drivers,
and even kernel versions (release as well as ALPHA)

This service is available 24hrs a day, 7 days a week.

If I have something that you know is outdated, please upload it into
incoming, or drop me some email.  My address is "jahoward@iastate.edu"

Please let me know what you think.

Also, the SLS is mirrored from sunsite.unc.edu on ftp.iastate.edu if
ever you would need.

Jim Howard
jahoward@iastate.edu

-- 
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=============== IPRT/ICEMT--Black Engineering 95E--Ames Lab  ================== 

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From: gt4565d@prism.gatech.EDU (Slim)
Subject: Xtank and Xtrek for Linux
Date: 12 Oct 93 22:20:59 GMT


        Has anyone out there ported Xtrek or Xtank successfully to Linux.
I have Xtank running on a LAN in my dorm, but the fonts are all messed up,
and I don't have the robot stuff compiled in either.  I have tried repeatedly 
to port Xtrek to linux, but I have been very unsuccessful.  If there is 
anybody out there who has the binaries for either Xtrek or Xtank, or knows
where they may be at please mail me or post.  Thanks!



================================================================================
Aaron Michael Sims        P.O. Box 24565
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: gt4565d@prism.gatech.edu
================================================================================

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From: pizzi@nervous.com (Riccardo Pizzi)
Subject: Re: Slackware 1.04 Goof and Fix!
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 02:20:38 GMT

In article <1993Oct11.225225.414@ursa.com> keith@ursa.com (Keith Hollister) writes:

>Again congrats to whoever put the Slackware distribution together. I will  
>now recommend it to newbies rather than SLS. 

What is the official ftp site and directory for the Slackware distribution?

Rick.
-- 
Riccardo Pizzi @ the Nervous XTC Public Access Unix System, Rimini, ITALY
E-Mail -> pizzi@nervous.com        <*>      Bang-path -> uunet!nervous!pizzi
Nervous XTC, the home of the UniBoard package * Data: +39-541-27135 HST/PEP/V32

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From: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Subject: Re: Slackware 1.04 Goof and Fix!
Date: 13 Oct 1993 03:11:42 GMT
Reply-To: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding)


In a previous article, pizzi@nervous.com (Riccardo Pizzi) says:

>In article <1993Oct11.225225.414@ursa.com> keith@ursa.com (Keith Hollister) writes:
>
>>Again congrats to whoever put the Slackware distribution together. I will  
>>now recommend it to newbies rather than SLS. 
>
>What is the official ftp site and directory for the Slackware distribution?
>

It's ftp.cdrom.com: /pub/linux/slackware.

I've seen this question at least 5 times in the last couple of days.
Does it qualify as a Frequently Asked Question yet?

-- 
Patrick Volkerding
volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
bf703@cleveland.freenet.edu

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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: PPP for Linux? Well... almost as good
Date: 12 Oct 1993 22:33:07 GMT

Ce brave Heribert Dahms ecrit:

> In <29ai76$e5g@renux.frmug.fr.net> rene@renux.frmug.fr.net writes:

> : A great thing in the Linux story, is that Linus was born in a country where
> : characters are not only A-z and keyboards not QWERTY... :-)
> : 
> Yeah, and many newsreaders or mailers aren't 8bit clean, too.

Mine are :-)

> While your software may do processing which is 8bit clean, the source better
> doesn't contain any special chars...
> And what 8bit charset to use? ISO8859-1 (ISO-LATIN-1) of course, not PC-8 8-)

In fact, when mailing friends in French, many of us use under Unix the ISO
8859-1 charset of course. Under DOS, hum... just look at the BBS'ses :-)

The problem is that, if WE, having some knowledge about computers, can do
whith writing in some sort of English, most of end-users, just wanting to
use computers for something else than programming, often say "Your machine
is broken, I can't use it" if, for example, they cannot type names like
"Reni Cougnenc" or "Rimy Card". ( Sorry for the 8bits chars, which will
probably be stripped somewhere in the net...)

Perhaps, one day, we will all use something like UniCode... Or we will
all speak English ;-))


> Bye, Heribert (dahms@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de)

--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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From: gast@cs.ucla.edu
Subject: Which UART for fast (14.4) modem?
Reply-To: gast@CS.UCLA.EDU (David Gast)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 04:07:49 GMT


Is a 16550 UART recommended or is it not needed?

Thanks in advance,

David

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From: nathan@seldon.foundation.tricon.com (Nathan D. Lane)
Subject: Re: PPP for Linux? Well... almost as good
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 03:47:52 GMT

:       Who uses lines that aren't complete 8bit clean anymore? The days of 

> EVERYONE!!!! And they all mail me about it!!!!! 

: reconfigurable for full 8bit clean operation (I know from experience how to 
: easily do this on both cisco and annex servers.) Is that requirement really 
: a real problem for anyone anymore?

There are quite a few "not 8bit clean" lines out in the world.  Every heard
of AT&T datakit?  Yeah, in places where ISDN will "never, ever be" according
to my local phone company.  So, I'm stuck with AT&T datakit at 19.2K with
no hardware flow control.  I also have some brand new equipment that doesn't
do hardware flow control right.  It will be fixed, because of my screaming,
but until then, I NEED my PPP and Internet connection (despite horrible
overruns from xon/xoff).

PPP is also useful for other reasons, such as CHAP and PAP, integrated
idle timeouts, ability to run on syncronous lines (again, I need sync,
because I'll never get ISDN out here...well maybe in 2005), etc.

I don't want to add to flaming, so don't take these as flames.  My 
experiences with slip on six Unix platforms has been disastrous, to say
the least.  (It's especially bad when the machine you're trying to configure is 
your boss's machine and he keeps calling you at 11:00pm saying "help, my
line is down").

Oh, and there's this one for ppp  my "emergency" Internet link.  I call
an Internet connected system in Orgeon, telnet to my Internet provider's
router, fire up PPP (all under script control) and I'm again connected after
whatever disaster has
occured at my main Internet site (GTE [telephone company] crossing paris
during routine maintenance, someone kicking a CSU/DSU into loopback mode or
other maladies).

Summary: one cannot count upon 8bit clean lines, ever.  It'll be quite
some time.

 

Nathan D. Lane, MIS Analyst and VP of Triicon Systems, Inc.
Santa Barbara, CA  (805) 9636555; email: nathan@seldon.foundation.tricon.com
Making the Title Insurance World an Easier Place!



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From: jahoward@iastate.edu (Jim Howard)
Subject: Re: a service I offer
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 05:46:31 GMT

In <jahoward.750474743@pv0225.vincent.iastate.edu> jahoward@iastate.edu (Jim Howard) writes:

>I have set up an anonymous ftp service if anyone is interested.
>Here is how to use it:

>telnet pv0226.vincent.iastate.edu

^^^^^^^^^


Ugh, must be one of those nights... That should be FTP of course.



>login: anonymous.jahoward
>password: yourname@your.system

>What I offer:

>I try to keep current versions of everything from tape stuff, sound drivers,
>and even kernel versions (release as well as ALPHA)

>This service is available 24hrs a day, 7 days a week.

>If I have something that you know is outdated, please upload it into
>incoming, or drop me some email.  My address is "jahoward@iastate.edu"

>Please let me know what you think.

>Also, the SLS is mirrored from sunsite.unc.edu on ftp.iastate.edu if
>ever you would need.

>Jim Howard
>jahoward@iastate.edu

>-- 
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>jahoward@iastate.edu           SGI adm.                            ISU EE/IEEE
>=-=-=-=        LINUX --  Have you administered a real OS today?         =-=-=-=
>=============== IPRT/ICEMT--Black Engineering 95E--Ames Lab  ================== 
-- 
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jahoward@iastate.edu            SGI adm.                            ISU EE/IEEE
=-=-=-=        LINUX --  Have you administered a real OS today?         =-=-=-=
=============== IPRT/ICEMT--Black Engineering 95E--Ames Lab  ================== 

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From: jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (da Musick Maka)
Subject: Re: Can't boot Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 05:14:57 GMT

In article <UgiqWG600iV1QEq3s0@andrew.cmu.edu> Kuo-Wei Chang <kc4e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I can't boot the Linux on CD-ROM.
my vote for most descriptive cry for help. :)

-jonM <>< who's day has just been made.
-- 
jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu     <><
DJ.AllStar
get Linux OS, it's dope! it's free! it's UNIX! & it's got X!!!!!!

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Crossposted-To: news.groups
From: jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (da Musick Maka)
Subject: Re: The %&#$@ speaks again -or- An apology
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 05:21:33 GMT

In article <CEsp4u.CFt@boulder.parcplace.com> imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) writes:
>In article <1993Oct12.051007.10199@rzrbyte.fay.ar.us>
>tep@rzrbyte.fay.ar.us (Tim Peoples) writes: 
>
>I've noticed far too much "attitude" in the groups of late.  People

>I've been flamed many times for things I have said or done in these
>groups and it is pissing me off slowly.  It is uncalled for and very
>rude.  It makes me wonder why I even bother with Linux at all.
>
well, because for one, it's an EXCELLENT OS to do stuff on.  just because
some of tha people who use it r net.geeks don't mean that you shouldn't 
bother with it.  anyway, back to Linuxing...
>Warner
>-- 
>Warner Losh            imp@boulder.parcplace.COM       ParcPlace Boulder
>I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.

-jonM><>
-- 
jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu     <><
DJ.AllStar
get Linux OS, it's dope! it's free! it's UNIX! & it's got X!!!!!!

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Subject: Re: Kernel Panic: swaper problems (HELP)
From: hjstein@sunset.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein)
Date: 12 Oct 93 23:36:51


In article <29br19$l4f@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
morsi@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Yosry Morsi) writes:

   I have run into a the same kernel panic for quite a while now, and I am
   getting very frustrated.

   I am using SLS 1.03 on a 386DX-33 with 8 Mb RAM.
   The kernel tells me the following:

     Unable to handle kernel paging request at adress c0ffffff
     Oops:0000
     EIP 0010:00130A67
     EFLAGS: 00010202
     eax: 00ffffff   ebx: 0062045e   ecx: 0000ee93   edx: 0062055e
     esi: 00620400   edi: 00000040   ebp: 00620500
     ds: 0018   es: 0018  fs:002b    gs:002b
     Pid:0,  process nr: 0
     8b 00 89 43 08 66 83 7a 02 00
     task[0] (swaper) killed: unable to recover
     kernel panic: try to free up swaper memory
     In swapper task - not syncing

I've been having a similar crash too.  At least the "unable to handle
kernel paging request" and "Oops" and the last 3 lines.  I don't
recall the numbers in between.

It seems to be associated with hung network connections, like sending
email from a linux machine to another linux machine when the other one
is down, or control-C ing out of afew hung rlogins, etc.  Often one
machine gives this crash, and the other machine crashes with alot of
eth0 overrun messages.

I'm running kernel v.99pl10 and some older NET2 code.

I heard that the eth0 overrun problem is associated with ip forwarding
and that removing ip forwarding from ip.c will fix it.  Unfortunately,
I haven't had the time to try this fix.

--
Harvey Stein
Department of Mathematics
Hebrew University

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From: szb50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Sid Boyce)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: ftape-0.9.6/pl13 compile problems
Date: 13 Oct 93 00:19:34 GMT
Reply-To: szb50@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Sid Boyce)


     pl13, pl13a, and pl13b all exhibit the same bug, and pl12 I think.
kernel/module.c exit.c and a few others need g++ in order to compile,
with gcc they complain of numerous parse errors. With g++ everything
proceeds fine until /usr/src/linux/zBoot is entered, then parse
errors begin, if the files in zBoot are compiled with gcc they are fine
but of course zImage then fails to make.
    Using 386/33 + 387 12M + 8M swap, MCC pl10+ (just also tried SLS pl12
compiler 2.4.5/libc.so.4.4.2/libm.so.4.4.2), same bug either way.
    Is there a gcc compatible set of ftape diffs or a g++ set for zBoot.
I've tried sources from sunsite, tsx-11 and funet.
    Your help greatly appreciated.
Regards
Sid *** Amdahl (UK) *** G3VBV.

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From: jonb@specialix.com (Jon Brawn)
Subject: Floppy Drive Catches Fire
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 00:16:44 GMT

Okay, so its not true, it didn't even get warm... However, it did make a
rather unpleasant *continuous* buzzing noise when I tried to write to it
with no floppy present - as if it were continuously trying to seek to track
-1 or something. Whats going on? How much damage will this do? How long
does it continue for? Who cares anyway?

Jon.

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From: genie@con.Berkeley.EDU (Gene Choi)
Subject: Re: Xtank and Xtrek for Linux
Date: 13 Oct 1993 08:39:32 GMT

In article <116509@hydra.gatech.edu* , Slim <gt4565d@prism.gatech.EDU*  wrote:
* 
*       Has anyone out there ported Xtrek or Xtank successfully to Linux.
* I have Xtank running on a LAN in my dorm, but the fonts are all messed up,
* and I don't have the robot stuff compiled in either.  I have tried repeatedly 
* to port Xtrek to linux, but I have been very unsuccessful.  If there is 
* anybody out there who has the binaries for either Xtrek or Xtank, or knows
* where they may be at please mail me or post.  Thanks!
* 
* 
For xtrek II (netrek), get it from:
soda.berkeley.edu: /pub/netrek/linux

-Gene


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From: mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie)
Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: PC internal modem recommendations?
Date: 13 Oct 1993 10:28:22 +0100


I'm thinking of getting a modem to work with linux on my PC.

My existing serial I/O is 8250 based and on the motherboard, so buying
a fast external modem would mean upgrading my serial ports too.

With internal modems I gather some of them try and emulate a 16550A
UART.  Do others actually have a real 16550A on the card?

The linux serial FAQ mentions there can be problems with the emulation
provided by the Rockwell chipset. Are the problems serious or can one
live with them? What does linux try and do that DOS doesn't?

I'm considering a USR sportster 14400 (internal). Does anyone know if it
works well with linux? Any other internal recommendations? I would like
V32bis (with V42 and V42bis on top) but FAX is optional.

Finally, I'm in the UK. Is it OK to use US modems here?

Sorry this is all questions but I'm new to modems :)

Thanks for your time,
                                Mark.

-- 
Mark Dobie                                      MS Windows? Linux and X!
University of Southampton                       M.R.Dobie@ecs.soton.ac.uk



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From: kai@depeche.toppoint.de (Kai Voigt)
Subject: Re: Slackware 1.04 Goof and Fix!
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 08:28:57 GMT

In <29frle$h6p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding) writes:


>In a previous article, pizzi@nervous.com (Riccardo Pizzi) says:

>>In article <1993Oct11.225225.414@ursa.com> keith@ursa.com (Keith Hollister) writes:
>>
>>>Again congrats to whoever put the Slackware distribution together. I will  
>>>now recommend it to newbies rather than SLS. 
>>
>>What is the official ftp site and directory for the Slackware distribution?
>>

>It's ftp.cdrom.com: /pub/linux/slackware.

>I've seen this question at least 5 times in the last couple of days.
>Does it qualify as a Frequently Asked Question yet?

No way, I read "How to remove Lilo?" about 20 times before it was
included in the FAQ... :-)

Kai
-- 
Kai Voigt, Werftstrasse 2, 24148 Kiel, Germany, +49 431 7297514
  The protestants say that life begins with birth, but the
  catholics say that life begins during "the act". But I say that
  life begins when the dog is dead and the children have left home.

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 10:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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